The Pub trade is dying - Minimum price for Alcohol?

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Never been to the North for booze but if it comes in at 1.10 per unit you may be sure I will be going.

Cheapest 700 ml vodka would then be 33 quid! Jesus I got the same for 20 on Saturday.

VinLieger

Caliden wrote: »

We will still have to wait for the ruling from the European high court on the minimum pricing Scotland is trying to bring in.

If it does become 1.10 a unit, people will be driving north for their booze or even purchase it online and get it delivered.

True, god I hope they strike it down

rubadub

Flex wrote: »

€1.10 is mad. Just doing quick sums

• Tray of 24 cans of Heineken 4.3% will be €51.60
• 700ml bottle of Jameson will be €30.80
• 13.5% bottle of wine will be €11.15

Those are UK units you calculated. The gobshites here said a unit is 10g of alcohol, in the UK it is 10ml of pure alcohol, which is easy to calculate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_drink

So here is is 12.7ml of alcohol

so a 4.3% 500ml can is 21.5ml, so 1.69 units so €1.86

700ml 37.5% is 262.5ml, 20.67 units so €22.74

VinLieger wrote: »

Was listening to Newstalk this morning and they had an iditoic doctor supporting it claiming that price increases will affect purchasing patterns

Yep, that increase is enough to encourage smuggling and counterfeiting. Teenagers currently getting sub €1 cans and bottles of spirits for under €12 can certainly be expected to buy on the black market. Or maybe change their choice of recreational drug to some other cheaper one.

The criminal gangs and drug dealers must be rubbing their mits with glee, the chance to sell more harmful drugs but one that will probably get a mere slap on the wrist if caught.

Flex

Geuze wrote: »

1.10 euro per Irish unit or per UK unit of alcohol?

Read that the calculation of prices will be

"Minimum unit price x No. of Grams of Alcohol = Minimum price"

That's interesting as to whether it goes by grams of alcohol or millilitres of alcohol

Flex

rubadub wrote: »

Those are UK units you calculated. The gobshites here said a unit is 10g of alcohol, in the UK it is 10ml of pure alcohol, which is easy to calculate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_drink

So here is is 12.7ml of alcohol

so a 4.3% 500ml can is 21.5ml, so 1.69 units so €1.86

700ml 37.5% is 262.5ml, 20.67 units so €22.74

Yea, youre correct, bet me to it

VinLieger

Flex wrote: »

Yea, youre correct, bet me to it

It means though that "premium brands" like heineken et al are gonna raise their prices so they are above the bottom base stuff that will be at the minimum price.

Ive said it on here before people, invest in wine making and beer making kits, that coupled with trips over the border is the solution if this garbage legislation comes in

rubadub

VinLieger wrote: »

It means though that "premium brands" like heineken et al are gonna raise their prices so they are above the bottom base stuff that will be at the minimum price.

Off licence owners can import from outside of Ireland, all above board. My local eurospar often sells 5% glasgow market heineken cheaper than 4.3% irish heineken. Both are brewed and canned in holland.

Menas

VinLieger wrote: »

Ive said it on here before people, invest in wine making and beer making kits, that coupled with trips over the border is the solution if this garbage legislation comes in

If this goes thru then you are right. Home brew and Border runs will be my plan.

jobbridge4life

Its insanity. Our prices are the highest in Europe, 70% above the average. Clearly higher prices is not the solution and that is leaving aside the issue of fairness.

Long Gone

VinLieger wrote: »

It means though that "premium brands" like heineken et al are gonna raise their prices so they are above the bottom base stuff that will be at the minimum price.

Ive said it on here before people, invest in wine making and beer making kits, that coupled with trips over the border is the solution if this garbage legislation comes in

Fully agree. This kind of nonsense is another reason that I will never return to live in Ireland. 10 yo-yos minimum for a bottle of wine - No way ! Thank God we have a border with the north..... It's bad enough that they seemed to have brought in some stupid restrictions on the times that you could buy alcohol in the supermarkets in Ireland last time that I was back - What is all that rubbish about ? . What's next ? - Bringing back the "holy hour" ? ? .:rolleyes:

Honestly ****in disgusted. May not vote next year.

Silversack

Silversack wrote: »

I will be brewing my own beer if this is introduced.

That or borrowing a Transit for a weekend in France are my two plans.

Long Gone

Silversack wrote: »

I will be brewing my own beer if this is introduced.

What are the chances that they're planning extortionate taxes on beer making kits ? Or to make home brewing illegal and getting the "excise men" going around checking on people ? - You couldn't make this stuff up ! .:mad:

Atlantic Dawn

If your country has one of the highest rates of alcohol taxation in the world and you have a problem with binge drinking compared to countries who have little or no tax clearly the issue is not with pricing, it's education.

hatrickpatrick

Guys bear one thing in mind. It's a very common government tactic to make initial proposals as unpalatable as possible, and then present the public with slightly better ones as a fait accompli. So in other words, they say €1.10 a unit today to provoke outrage, and then in the future they say "Ok ok, ye win, you've beaten us down! It'll only be 60c a unit!"

This has the effect of making people more likely to accept that as a compromise than continue to object. It's the same as starting with a ridiculously high price when selling something, then haggling down to something pretty normal but the customer psychologically thinks they're getting a bargain.

So in other words, when the final cost per unit is revealed and is less than this, don't everyone breathe a sigh of relief and concede. That's what they're probably hoping for.

Long Gone

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

We're moving backwards fast.

We certainly are....

jobbridge4life

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If your country has one of the highest rates of alcohol taxation in the world and you have a problem with binge drinking compared to countries who have little or not tax clearly the issue is not with pricing, it's education.

Indeed and higher prices will do nothing to limit binge drinking if anything it will exacerbate that problem as drinking will become more expensive any time one drinks they are going to go all in.

dazed+confused

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly ****in disgusted. May not vote next year.

Yes, that's the answer, that's the way to make a difference!

the groutch

would the supermarkets not work around this with offers like

"product X (worth €6) plus this wine (that was €6 but now is a tenner) for €12"

Atlantic Dawn

The pubs will suffer big if this minimum pricing comes in, people will have less money to go to them.

dazed+confused

dazed+confused wrote: »

Yes, that's the answer, that's the way to make a difference!

Is there a single party against the proposals?

VinLieger

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The pubs will suffer big if this minimum pricing comes in, people will have less money to go to them.

Not according to them, this is their solution to getting people back in the pubs, screw innovating business models and providing incentives, "we will force them back to us through making it too expensive to do anything else"

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there a single party against the proposals?

Yes the off license association came out at the end of last week against it, so thats 1 vs god knows how many,

Edit: just realised you meant political party, id guess the shinners and socialists might be if they were seriously pushed on it

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes the off license association came out at the end of last week against it, so thats 1 vs god knows how many

Can I vote for them? :P

rubadub

the groutch wrote: »

would the supermarkets not work around this with offers like

"product X (worth €6) plus this wine (that was €6 but now is a tenner) for €12"

Yes, I was prediciting there will be lots of loopholes.

If the typical can is €1.86 you can expect freebies with your crate of heineken, or offies could have deals like 5 bavaria + 5 budvar for €18.60, which is about the price it would be now.

jobbridge4life

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The pubs will suffer big if this minimum pricing comes in, people will have less money to go to them.

The vintners are shooting themselves in the foot alright. They imagine that this legislation will force customers back to the pub but the fact is people don't go because they just can't afford it not, making off license insanely pricey won't make them any cheaper so people will just suffer all the same.

VinLieger

jobbridge4life wrote: »

The vintners are shooting themselves in the foot alright. They imagine that this legislation will force customers back to the pub but the fact is people don't go because they just can't afford it not, making off license insanely pricey won't make them any cheaper so people will just suffer all the same.

Also even at that extreme of €1.10 it won't affect Wetherspoons prices and they arent going anywhere soon

TrustedApple

My fave beer to drink is 4 euros a bottle at the moment and it's 10% a bottle of 350ml in the off lieance and from 6.50 to 7.50 in a pub it's extramly rare to find it in a pub.

So how much will I be looking at paying with the new stupid unit prices for drink ?

samapple789

samapple789 wrote: »

My fave beer to drink is 4 euros a bottle at the moment and it's 10% a bottle of 350ml in the off lieance and from 6.50 to 7.50 in a pub it's extramly rare to find it in a pub.

So how much will I be looking at paying with the new stupid unit prices for drink ?

€3.03 would be the minimum for that.

Flex

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes the off license association came out at the end of last week against it, so thats 1 vs god knows how many,

Edit: just realised you meant political party, id guess the shinners and socialists might be if they were seriously pushed on it

I read this morning in the Health Committee report that NOffLA is in support of minimum unit pricing and advocated a rate of over €1, nearly certain I had read similar in the papers a month or so ago too. Don't think any party or politician is against this, its very much in vogue