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Singing lessons / vocal training Galway
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03-01-2011 10:46pm#1
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Inisboffin, it's for singing. Guys thanks for the advice, I've emailed Michel Durham and she replied with an out of office reply, so she should get back to me after the 8th.Stevecrow, thanks a million for that info, there's no way I would've heard about it otherwise. Definitely going there.
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What I mean is that a lot of people here mentioned are SLS teachers, so they're all essentially selling the same product, AFAIK they've all been taught by yer man Martell.
So if you're choosing where to go, keep that in mind.
Ah fair enough I hear you, but I'd agree and disagree. While all the SLS people would have certification in that style, at least one on here has trained in other schools too.
A lot of people place big empahsis on certification, so a lot of musicians just pick a certain school or style under which they are accredited. I think most people who study voice have been exposed to various teachings (kind of like musicians being able to play different styles, but specialising in one).
Most good teachers will always make their lessons their own, and tailor it to each student. I'd guess even each SLS teacher would have differences, and again, often it is which person you click with most, that can teach you most IMO
Anyone go to the session at Kellys?0 -
Just to add, I realised when I last posted that it was still on in Kelly's! I said feckit and decided to be an intrepid reporter for the craic
I popped in for the second part and found the guy to be very concise and a good communicator. I'd say he's a solid teacher, and smart move giving a free workshop, (as he'll definitely get clients from it I'd say). Another musician who gigs a lot around Galway and is also a teacher, was there with him. Their demos were simple and effective, even in that short time. I was impressed!
(and no, I have no professional affilation with him or SLS!)
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AFAIK Pat Lillis (who is a woman) is retired, which is a pity because she was brilliant.
I have seen friends go through both SLS and more traditional methods of training and I've got to throw in my vote for the traditional methods.
IMO, Michael in the Durham Voice Studio is by far the best in town and is so down to earth and qualified. She aproaches training by looking at the whole picture, and her knowledge seems to know no bounds.
TBH, I always got the creeps from the SLS crowd. It seems like the scientology of voice training, and the results from it have always underwhelmed me. There is alot of money needed to attain your "qualifications" to become an SLS teacher and it seems that many students tend to end up teaching also, as opposed to performing. Just always got that pyramid vibe from it.
Having experienced many voice tutors around the country, the SLS method is not well respected, certainly in classical and traditional circles. Anything that claims results without having to put the work in over time is fool's gold. If you want an excellent voice you have to work hard. There is no quick fix, just like everything else! 0 -
AFAIK Pat Lillis (who is a woman) is retired, which is a pity because she was brilliant.
I have seen friends go through both SLS and more traditional methods of training and I've got to throw in my vote for the traditional methods.
IMO, Michael in the Durham Voice Studio is by far the best in town and is so down to earth and qualified. She aproaches training by looking at the whole picture, and her knowledge seems to know no bounds.
TBH, I always got the creeps from the SLS crowd. It seems like the scientology of voice training, and the results from it have always underwhelmed me. There is alot of money needed to attain your "qualifications" to become an SLS teacher and it seems that many students tend to end up teaching also, as opposed to performing. Just always got that pyramid vibe from it.
Having experienced many voice tutors around the country, the SLS method is not well respected, certainly in classical and traditional circles. Anything that claims results without having to put the work in over time is fool's gold. If you want an excellent voice you have to work hard. There is no quick fix, just like everything else!
I hear what you are saying about the SLS structure itself, it did come across to me initially as quite (forgive the comment my US friends!) 'Corporate and American'. But saying that, I'd disagree about it being respected, in that I know a good few professional musicians who used it and swear by it here (Their US list of musicians who regularly use it is impressive). Anyone I know who does it seem to take it with a grain of salt (the corporate stuff) as the methods used are very simple and do work. I don't think there is an SLS 'crowd' as much as is perceived. I am surprised you say the classical and traditional communities don't respect it, as at the free thing yesterday there were representations from both groups that regularly take classes with the SLS teachers. Basically they seem to have taken a lot of the Bel Canto school and formulated a lot of it into a very simple system that can be accredited.
I know you are saying it costs a lot to be a teacher, but what I LIKE about that system (and I only fully understood it after going yesterday)is that *each year* the teachers themselves are reassessed on their own standards. But most importantly, their *own students* are part of the assessment. I think that's brilliant. We all know people who are very talented and have qualifications up the wazoo, but it is being able to translate that into a teachable thing that is the other half of the equation. I was really impressed with the guy yesterday in particular.
The reverse of what you mentioned, is that a lot of performers end up teaching, and just because they are brilliant, doesn't mean they can translate that into teaching. It's hit and miss with some.
The people I know who went to Michel for example, ALL rave about her, but I don't think they would necessarily call her teaching 'traditional', as she also tailors various schools to suit. She's got a great reputation (as she IS great), but that doesn't mean that she or ANY teacher is the best fit for everyone. The folks I know who practice SLS are all gigging musicians and part of what I found impressive is the sustainability in a working environment that they attribute a lot to their SLS training.
I guess I am posting this because it seems like there is a cheese and onion/salt and vinegar thing going on here (bad analogy, as I have a preference!!) but what I mean is that I don't think it is so black and white. I think that whatever 'traditional', 'mid' or 'progressive' school you use, it is down to factors like professional qualification, life experience, teaching ability, and how often you go OR practice (this can be affected by location and cost for sure). It is whatever works best for YOU.
You are of course right, Eviledna, and hard work and practice are absolutely the way to go. I'd agree about a quick fix too, and would avoid anyone who endorses that.0 -
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Actually, now that you mention it, I do remember seeing ads in I think the advertiser, from one of those SLS teachers, can't remember who, selling their wares in the vein of "So you want to be a Popstar," and that turned me off it hugely.
:rolleyes:
It would turn me off too but then again so does a lot of daft advertisement for a product that is actually ok:p.
It seems like I have shares in SLS, the fact I keep posting, but the point that I am reiterating is that it is just a method that *individual* teachers utilise as their primary method, along with other stuff that they find useful.
We could pick other 'schools' and tar a good teacher mentioned on here with 'one of them Linklater' or 'one of them Alexander teachers' did so and so. I've had a well dodgey experience with an 'Alexander practitioner' when in college years ago, but I don't assume all that practice the same!
There seems to bit of a witch hunt on here about 'SLS', and it seems the voice community is divided on it, but all I'd say is ask people you trust, go meet the person, and trust your instinct, as opposed to generalities.
Now if the ad had said, do you want to be a popstar with street cred, then maybe...:p0
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