Science!

RichieC

FatherLen wrote: »

no fistfight!

He's ballixed so, you'd kill the pope in a second... just kick his face off.

figarofigaro

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

What created it then?

If your suggesting that God created it, tell me what created God. Tell me how he did it. Intellectual dead end.

sensibleken

figarofigaro wrote: »

If your suggesting that God created it, tell me what created God. Tell me how he did it. Intellectual dead end.

Muckrawk the indivisible created God

Capt'n Midnight

sensibleken wrote: »

Muckrawk the indivisible created God

so Muckrawk was sneezed out by the Great Green Arklesiezure
*takes notes*

Capt'n Midnight

Sanjuro wrote: »

I suggest you get yourself a time machine and go back to the dark ages where science wont bother you. Of course, you'll need science to get yourself a time machine.

Or you could visit a central African slum

without vaccines, without tablets , without mosquito net
you would not be allowed drink bottled water or use a toilet or eat any packaged food or use any torch powered by electricity (not that you would be going out after dark anyway without armed escort , few did in the days before public lighting)

and of course you would be the only adult there without access to a mobile phone

Colours

This thread gave me a few giggles so thanks to the OP for initiating this discussion! Religion and irony was mentioned in a few posts and I'd just like to point out the irony of us being on the right side of history where we can afford the complacency of having this argument where no one's head is on the line for arguing their (albeit irrational and oxymoronical) theories. Not so for poor awl Galileo and his fellow brethren of scientists back in the middle ages who were branded heretics and threatened with death for having the audacity to state their scientific discoveries.

So sure if the OP wants to argue for the unenlightened scientific viewpoint then that's their perogative but let's not forget back in the days of yore when society was bigoted and had zero tolerance for the trifling views of the individual - back when people were told what to believe and threatened with fire and brimstone if they dared exhibit logic or think for themselves!

So OP in conclusion it is down to the very discoveries of the likes of Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc that has advanced the world - well the western world at least - to a place where viewpoints like yours can be expressed freely!

cwbiii

An intelligent "man" wants to wrap their brain around it.
A pious "man" wants to wrap their soul around it.

Who's right? Does it matter as long as each "man" is happy with their own decision?

The chances are that neither "man" is completely correct.

The problem is that someone wants only one opinion... theirs! Better to live and let live rather than control.

Dudess

HayleyLyons1 wrote: »

As for evidence, perhaps you should look around.

And spot what? A person can believe whatever they like, but particular scenarios aren't necessary realities just because one "believes" they are.

Did you not celebrate christmas, sorry the "holiday season" in the past few weeks?

I did celebrate Christmas - what does that prove?

Buceph

OP: The Alive people don't deliver out by me, any chance you could have a word with the delivery people?

Cook my sock

Ninjedi wrote: »

Particle physics gives me a hadron...

has its ups and downs though... or does that sound a bit strange. :cool:

amacca

Cook my sock wrote: »

has its ups and downs though... or does that sound a bit strange. :cool:

yeah sounds a bit quarky ...sorry I meant quirky.

Cook my sock

amacca wrote: »

yeah sounds a bit quarky ...sorry I meant quirky.

charming


Oh god i'm a nerd

CrazyBiscuit

It takes all sorts I guess, ALL SORTS OF FLAVOURS!!!

*Damn, that didnt go well.

prinz

Colours wrote: »

So OP in conclusion it is down to the very discoveries of the likes of Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc that has advanced the world - well the western world at least - to a place where viewpoints like yours can be expressed freely!

While the OP, and others expressing a more spiritual/faithful/religious standpoint may not be in any physical danger the irony is the intellectual reaction is often the very same as that received by the likes of Galileo back in their day. Things have gone 180 degrees to a large extent.

RussellTuring

prinz wrote: »

While the OP, and others expressing a more spiritual/faithful/religious standpoint may not be in any physical danger the irony is the intellectual reaction is often the very same as that received by the likes of Galileo back in their day. Things have gone 180 degrees to a large extent.

Explain how, please.

prinz

RussellTuring wrote: »

Explain how, please.

Anyone expressing anything remotely approaching what could be described as a religious viewpoint is very often automatically derided on these boards and further afield, and their views dismissed out of hand because of it, even when they actually might have a point. Examples on this very thread.

partyatmygaff

RussellTuring wrote: »

Explain how, please.

Well take boards as an example. Someone expresses something that has anti-religious sentiment or anti-theistic sentiment and you get many people joining in making snide remarks and slapping each other's backs. When someone express religious or spiritual sentiment you get a pack of angry wolves ridiculing the poster and making snide remarks.

In the past the situation was the reverse except back then it was both a physical and verbal response.

sensibleken

prinz wrote: »

Anyone expressing anything remotely approaching what could be described as a religious viewpoint is very often automatically derided on these boards and further afield, and their views dismissed out of hand because of it, even when they actually might have a point. Examples on this very thread.

or maybe theyre asked to prove their standpoint using logic or evidence. they cant and then they are ridiculed.

that was the exact opposite of what happened in relation to gallileo

prinz

sensibleken wrote: »

or maybe theyre asked to prove their standpoint using logic or evidence. they cant and then they are ridiculed.

Generally not no, seeing as how you don't need to "prove a standpoint" to offer an opinion on most things. If the matter is a discussion of religion fine, oftentimes it isn't but the person's opinion gets dismissed anyway. It's much easier to muddle through believing anyone religious is a brainwashed idiot, with no interest in logical thought or science for that matter.

Pace2008

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Well take boards as an example. Someone expresses something that has anti-religious sentiment or anti-theistic sentiment and you get many people joining in making snide remarks and slapping each other's backs. When someone express religious or spiritual sentiment you get a pack of angry wolves ridiculing the poster and making snide remarks.

In the past the situation was the reverse except back then it was both a physical and verbal response.

OP in this thread

51 thanks for this garbage. The back-slapping works both ways.

partyatmygaff

Pace2008 wrote: »

OP in this thread

51 thanks for this garbage. The back-slapping works both ways.

I can name quite a few of those people who thanked that post who are very vocally anti-religion. In any case, the one in that thread isn't displaying religious sentiment. He's just complaining about the arrogance and smugness of what he called "new atheists".

bnt

Cook my sock wrote: »

charming


Oh god i'm a nerd

Nah, you're just Strange.

I'm forever amused by how anti-Science dingbats are quite happy to use the products of Science to promote their anti-Science messages. Do the really imagine that the Internet, and all the machines attached to it (including boards.ie) were provided by "God"? I don't remember reading anything about IP Addresses in the New Testament. :pac:

Colours

prinz wrote: »

While the OP, and others expressing a more spiritual/faithful/religious standpoint may not be in any physical danger the irony is the intellectual reaction is often the very same as that received by the likes of Galileo back in their day. Things have gone 180 degrees to a large extent.

Yes Prinz that's the irony I was referring to except that at least as we're on the enightened side of the middle ages, Hayey is not in danger of being shunned by church, state or society for expressing his/her viewpoint. And that's partially at least because we've progessed and are more enlightened due to the discoveries and advances that have been made scientifically and technologically that have made us more aware.

prinz

Colours wrote: »

Yes Prinz that's the irony I was referring to except that at least as we're on the enightened side of the middle ages, Hayey is not in danger of being shunned by church, state or society for expressing his/her viewpoint..

To an extent you are correct. However there is a definite 'main-stream' now which religion doesn't fit into and people do shun it and those people who enjoy an interest in things religion..

For instance not many people know that Katy Perry, or Katy Hudson as she was going by then started her career in the Christian music/Gospel genre. That's soooooooooooo not cool.

Would she be the talked about and lusted after star she is now if she was still singing gospel music? I think not. She'd be just another bible-bashing freak then wouldn't she?

Tar.Aldarion

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