FA CUP 3rd Round: Manchester Utd v Liverpool (Match Thread) Mod Warning #214 - READ!

lordgoat

Revolution9 wrote: »

Webb had the benefit of a linesman, better positioned, who did not flag for a penalty.

The linesman didn't flag for gerrards tackle either but luckily Webb spotted that as well.

argosy2006

flahavaj wrote: »

Theres clear contact to the leg. I wouldn't have given it, but don't be making things up and then show a video that directly contradicts your statement.

I dont see that contact, to me looks like agger thinks about going big,diving in to win ball, but he thinks twice and stamps his foot into ground instead ,at which point he lets berbatov past him,
he then extends his arms as not to run into back of berbatov, but hhe dives to ground,

thegen

Rio tweeting he did not ask Webb ti send Gerrard off merely pointing out he thought it was a two footed challenge. Classy Rio.

stumpypeeps

lordgoat wrote: »

The only dive in that match, was gerrard two footed on carrick.

how ever minimal contact there was, it was there. And yes it was a soft pen, but it was 100% a penalty.

By definition a soft pen is not a 100% pen. If you feel that a penalty then you obviously have never played football.

Ordinary man

Watch berbatovs left foot at 12 seconds into the video. Clear contact, minimal but clear.

Mental Mickey

thegen wrote: »

Rio tweeting he did not ask Webb ti send Gerrard off merely pointing out he thought it was a two footed challenge. Classy Rio.

The FA needs to ****ing enforce a complete ban on players using Social Networking sites.

stumpypeeps

Ordinary man wrote: »

Watch berbatovs left foot at 12 seconds into the video. Clear contact, minimal but clear.

A lot of united fans are embarrassing themselves in the extreme over this one.

lordgoat

stumpypeeps wrote: »

By definition a soft pen is not a 100% pen. If you feel that a penalty then you obviously have never played football.

No, it's was definitely a penalty. Did you not see Giggs scoring it?

And what i meant was, while Berb didn't try and stay on his feet, there was a clumsy tackle, there was contact, it was a foul, he could probably have tried to stay on his feet, he didn't. It was a pen.

And i've played soccer for about 20 years at this stage, i learned to stop making stupid tackles in the box and stay on my feet about 10 years ago.

I also know when to blame a player for putting in a stupid tackle, getting sent off and costing his team the game rather than look for an easy way out.

flahavaj

argosy2006 wrote: »

I dont see that contact, to me looks like agger thinks about going big,diving in to win ball, but he thinks twice and stamps his foot into ground instead ,at which point he lets berbatov past him,
he then extends his arms as not to run into back of berbatov, but hhe dives to ground,

Their legs touch at 15 seconds. I wouldn't have given it but I have a particular bee in my bonnet about these things and I tend to favour defenders a lot in these matters so i'm probably not the best man to ask. But I can see why the ref would have given it based on that.

As others have said the contact is far more clear from other angles, buttypically we're given the most onscure angle that suits that posters' club's point of view.

Ordinary man

thegen wrote: »

Rio tweeting he did not ask Webb ti send Gerrard off merely pointing out he thought it was a two footed challenge. Classy Rio.

What about kuyt waving imaginary cards earlier, where's his class? What about the games where reina runs the lenght of the pitch to get cards for players?

SantryRed

stumpypeeps wrote: »

By definition a soft pen is not a 100% pen. If you feel that a penalty then you obviously have never played football.

What a horsesh1t statement. I've been playing football all my life and I believe it was a penalty. He was fouled. Yes he went down easily, but he was fouled, and that constitutes a free, this was inside the box, so was there fore a penalty.

Pro. F

People should really stop talking about whether there was or was not contact for the penalty. It's irrelevant.

lordgoat

Mental Mickey wrote: »

The FA needs to ****ing enforce a complete ban on players using Social Networking sites.

WTF? Hmmm right to speak freely and openly? Thou shalt not tweet.

flahavaj

thegen wrote: »

Rio tweeting he did not ask Webb ti send Gerrard off merely pointing out he thought it was a two footed challenge. Classy Rio.

Sure it was a two footed challenge! The only fella showing a lack of class was the fella making the leg breaking challenge. Gotta love the way you have to make the United player the scapegoat. Bitter bitter bitter.

Nalz

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You are correct

Mental Mickey

lordgoat wrote: »

WTF? Hmmm right to speak freely and openly? Thou shalt not tweet.

Did you see Babel's "tweet"? That's why players should be banned - because they post idiotic stuff like that!!

Revolution9

lordgoat wrote: »

The only dive in that match, was gerrard two footed on carrick.

how ever minimal contact there was, it was there. And yes it was a soft pen, but it was 100% a penalty.

lordgoat wrote: »

The linesman didn't flag for gerrards tackle either but luckily Webb spotted that as well.

What does the penalty decision have to do with Gerrard's tackle?
You seem to have a bit of an inferiority complex when it comes to Gerrard.

As Stumpy said, a lot of fans stooping to new lows defending Howard the Coward's penalty decision.

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Mental Mickey wrote: »

The FA needs to ****ing enforce a complete ban on players using Social Networking sites.

Have you seen Babel's masterpiece of a tweet?
Or Kenny Dalgish's son?

lordgoat

SantryRed wrote: »

What a horsesh1t statement. I've been playing football all my life and I believe it was a penalty. He was fouled. Yes he went down easily, but he was fouled, and that constitutes a free, this was inside the box, so was there fore a penalty.

Thanks for that. +1.

stumpypeeps

SantryRed wrote: »

What a horsesh1t statement. I've been playing football all my life and I believe it was a penalty. He was fouled. Yes he went down easily, but he was fouled, and that constitutes a free, this was inside the box, so was there fore a penalty.

Do you wear shorts playing football or a little tutu?:p

Mental Mickey

baz2009 wrote: »

Have you seen Babel's masterpiece of a tweet?
Or Kenny Dalgish's son?

I've seen Babel's, but not Kenny D's son's?

Care to share?

thegen

Ordinary man wrote: »

What about kuyt waving imaginary cards earlier, where's his class? What about the games where reina runs the lenght of the pitch to get cards for players?

I was pointing out that Ferdinand had gone public in saying he spoke to Webb and tried to influence him. Gerrard was always going off, terrible challenge.

ziggyman17

Mister men wrote: »

Disgraceful display form the ref but that was to be expected given his track record againest us.

Overall very very happy with the perfromance from the lads, Torres aside. Delighted to see the King back at the helm almost surreal. onward and upward redmen.:)

there is only one king in football and he goes by the name of Denis Law..

who was kennys idol and hero...

flahavaj

stumpypeeps wrote: »

By definition a soft pen is not a 100% pen. If you feel that a penalty then you obviously have never played football.

This is a ridiculous line of argument.

thegen

flahavaj wrote: »

Sure it was a two footed challenge! The only fella showing a lack of class was the fella making the leg breaking challenge. Gotta love the way you have to make the United player the scapegoat. Bitter bitter bitter.

Not bitter at all, not a pool fan. Talking about Ferdinand posting on twitter he tried to influence decision. It was a straight red, no arguments there.

lordgoat

Here's what bable put up on his twit account:

http://m.plixi.com/p/68909575

Wonder if he'll do one with SG in a united jersey too.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I've seen Babel's, but not Kenny D's son's?

Care to share?

Last paragraph or two.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/09/ryan-babel-howard-webb-manchester-united-liverpool

Revolution9

baz2009 wrote: »

Have you seen Babel's masterpiece of a tweet?
Or Kenny Dalgish's son?

Dalglish's son can do what he wants, just look at Fergie's crook of a son and the self-imposed ban from the BBC.

Stupid from Babel, but funny at the same time. At least it shows he cares because I often get the impression he doesn't give a f*ck. Big fine certainly on the way though.

dfx-

Revolution9 wrote: »

As Stumpy said, a lot of fans stooping to new lows defending Howard the Coward's penalty decision.

You know it gets desperate when there's forensic attempts at whether it's a featherweight or lightweight or semi-lightweight contact

adox

baz2009 wrote: »

Last paragraph or two.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/09/ryan-babel-howard-webb-manchester-united-liverpool

Wow, shocking by Babel and even more shocking by Dalglish junior.

I'd love to see Webb threaten them with legal action.

Revolution9

lordgoat wrote: »

Here's what bable put up on his twit account:

http://m.plixi.com/p/68909575

Wonder if he'll do one with SG in a united jersey too.

Haha the inferiority complex comes to the surface again.
I suppose Gerrard was acting in the best interests of Man U when he slipped that lovely through ball to Drogba last season? Or when he scored against them in the 2003 League Cup Final? Or in the 4-1? etc.

DOC09UNAM

Revolution9 wrote: »

What does the penalty decision have to do with Gerrard's tackle?
You seem to have a bit of an inferiority complex when it comes to Gerrard.

As Stumpy said, a lot of fans stooping to new lows defending Howard the Coward's penalty decision.

And a few people seem to have gone lower in Blaming Howard for sending Gerrard off.

Why is he being called Howard the Coward, surely if he was a coward, he would have given the stonewall penalty in the second half?

Meh, not surprised at the people that are whinging about it tbh.

Mental Mickey

baz2009 wrote: »

Last paragraph or two.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/09/ryan-babel-howard-webb-manchester-united-liverpool

Gaaaaawbs***e!

argosy2006

flahavaj wrote: »

Their legs touch at 15 seconds. I wouldn't have given it but I have a particular bee in my bonnet about these things and I tend to favour defenders a lot in these matters so i'm probably not the best man to ask. But I can see why the ref would have given it based on that.

As others have said the contact is far more clear from other angles, buttypically we're given the most onscure angle that suits that posters' club's point of view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyzPw8sII8

couple more angles

Pro. F

dfx- wrote: »

You know it gets desperate when there's forensic attempts at whether it's a featherweight or lightweight or semi-lightweight contact

Contact has got nothing to do with it.

Mental Mickey

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

And a few people seem to have gone lower in Blaming Howard for sending Gerrard off.

Why is he being called Howard the Coward, surely if he was a coward, he would have given the stonewall penalty in the second half?

Meh, not surprised at the people that are whinging about it tbh.

That's how ****ing braindead some footy fans are.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Fair play to Shelveyon his Twitter, tbf.

Support was amazing today! Shame about the result but its something too build on , we will get through this as a unit , come on liverpool!

That is showing emotion. Posting an idiotic photoshop is not showing emotion.

The Muppet

flahavaj wrote: »

This is a ridiculous line of argument.

Honestly don't know why anyone is argueing about this, anyone that says it wasn't a ligitimate penalty obviously doesn't know the rules of the game and isn't worth arguing with on this subject.

flahavaj

thegen wrote: »

Not bitter at all, not a pool fan. Talking about Ferdinand posting on twitter he tried to influence decision. It was a straight red, no arguments there.

Telling the referee what was blatantly obvious to every single person who wathed the game - that Gerrard had made a two footed challenge - is hardly going to influence his decision is it?

if he's ben waving imaginary cards or something you might have a point. But as it stands all he's guilty fo doing is stating the obvious.

You'll have to try harder mate - and not being a Liverpool fan doesn't preclude you from bitterness. Have a look at Bluemoon for a start.;)

Revolution9

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Why is he being called Howard the Coward, surely if he was a coward, he would have given the stonewall penalty in the second half?

He has a habit of crumbling to the will of the home crowd.

And because there is a character nicknamed that in a rather good book I read recently called Skippy Dies.

But mostly because the crumbling to the home crowd thingy.

DOC09UNAM

Revolution9 wrote: »

He has a habit of crumbling to the will of the home crowd.

And because there is a character nicknamed that in a rather good book I read recently called Skippy Dies.

But mostly because the crumbling to the home crowd thingy.

Again, as I said, if he was crumbling to the home crowd, why not give the stonewall penalty?

Revolution9

baz2009 wrote: »

That is showing emotion. Posting an idiotic photoshop is not showing emotion.

Anger and frustration are emotions. Which I imagine is what Babel is feeling. The wrong emotions for the right reasons. Still shows he gives a damn, no matter how foolish he was.

Pro. F

argosy2006 wrote: »

couple more angles

Yes and it's still a penalty.

It was also a dive from Berbatov but the two aren't mutually exclusive in practice.

flahavaj

argosy2006 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyzPw8sII8

couple more angles

You're trying to convince someone who wouldn't have given it anyway mate. The fact that you're having to forensically examine it from so many angles only proves that Webb should be excluded from criticism from a making a realtime decision on such a debateable challenge.

thegen

flahavaj wrote: »

Telling the referee what was blatantly obvious to every single person who wathed the game - that Gerrard had made a two footed challenge - is hardly going to influence his decision is it?

if he's ben waving imaginary cards or something you might have a point. But as it stands all he's guilty fo doing is stating the obvious.

You'll have to try harder mate - and not being a Liverpool fan doesn't preclude you from bitterness. Have a look at Bluemoon for a start.;)

You missed my point mate, I was not talking about the fact that he talked with Webb, but the fact that he is posting the fact on twitter. BTW I'm a QPR fan!!!!!!

citytillidie

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Again, as I said, if he was crumbling to the home crowd, why not give the stonewall penalty?

Again i will ask what stonewall penalty in the 2nd half?

noodler

citytillidie wrote: »

Again i will ask what stonewall penalty in the 2nd half?

Which one was that?

Howard can hardly complain, he has made error after error at Old Trafford over the years

flahavaj

thegen wrote: »

You mossed my point mate, I was not talking about the fact that he talked with Webb, but the fact that he is posting the fact on twitter. BTW I'm a QPR fan!!!!!!

Well as I said eralier, I'd ban all my players from twitter given the chance. I'm surprised Fergie hasn't already tbh.

citytillidie

noodler wrote: »

Which one was that?

Howard can hardly complain, he has made error after error at Old Trafford over the years

Thats what i am trying to find out too, what stonewaller they are talking about

Revolution9

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Again, as I said, if he was crumbling to the home crowd, why not give the stonewall penalty?

Because he already gave one penalty and a red card in United's favour. His refusal to award another is cowardly, although more to avoid added controversary.

I call him a coward not just down to one match. Also when Masche fouled Valencia outside the box and he gave a penalty. Gomes against Carrick. Ronaldo sent off for the handball and back talk at Eastlands. And so on. He's a rubbish referee. Prides himself on being a disciplinarian yet he constantly takes foul mouthed abuse from players and doesn't penalise them, yet he did so with Ronaldo a few years ago.