World War 3.

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 9:02pm #1

All the signs suggest its imminent. USA is pushing its troops into Pakistan. There is mounting tension between the Kurds and Turks. All signs signal an attack on Iran to only be a matter of time. Over to the east, there is growing tension between N.Korea and S.Korea. China is becoming stronger by the day and will soon be challenging USA economically. While the west is getting more broke by the day! There's also growing tensions between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir issue. And there's the eternal dispute between Palestine and Israel which can be the trigger point that sets off this new global war.

Couple this with the fact Obama just signed for the largest military budget US history of over $800billion.

Looks like the stage is set for WW3.

What do you think might happen? What would the world be like if WW3 does take place?

Its definitely not going to be like WW2 where the Allied and Axis were pretty much equally matched on power and technology. The stage is very different now. USA is extremely powerful and technological advanced but at the same time extremely broke as well and its advanced technology doesn't really seem to be that effective against guerilla tactics of the resistance they're facing. And then there's China which can always turn the tables around.

So what do you think will happen?

brummytom · 06-01-2011 9:03pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

What would the world be like if WW3 does take place?

It'd probably end

bonerm · 06-01-2011 9:05pm

Couldn't happen! World War II was the war to end all wars! World War I also come to think of it....

IvySlayer · 06-01-2011 9:05pm

USA are in no position to fight. They can't even fight some insurgents in Iraq never mind a full scale war. And China completely owns their economy.

AntiMatter · 06-01-2011 9:05pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

So what do you think will happen?

I think I'll buy shares in cockroaches.

Doom · 06-01-2011 9:06pm

The film 'The Road' springs to mind :-(

iPlop · 06-01-2011 9:08pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

All the signs suggest its imminent. USA is pushing its troops into Pakistan. There is mounting tension between the Kurds and Turks. All signs signal an attack on Iran to only be a matter of time. Over to the east, there is growing tension between N.Korea and S.Korea. China is becoming stronger by the day and will soon be challenging USA economically. While the west is getting more broke by the day! There's also growing tensions between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir issue. And there's the eternal dispute between Palestine and Israel which can be the trigger point that sets off this new global war.

Couple this with the fact Obama just signed for the largest military budget US history of over $800billion.

Looks like the stage is set for WW3.

What do you think might happen? What would the world be like if WW3 does take place?

Its definitely not going to be like WW2 where the Allied and Axis were pretty much equally matched on power and technology. The stage is very different now. USA is extremely powerful and technological advanced but at the same time extremely broke as well and its advanced technology doesn't really seem to be that effective against guerilla tactics of the resistance they're facing. And then there's China which can always turn the tables around.

So what do you think will happen?

All the actors are in place and the stage is set.One thing that is bothering is the decline of the west.What is next if not world war 3? Descend into african status?

Biologic · 06-01-2011 9:08pm

Don't worry, Ireland will sit it out again and hope nobody notices.

Cakes. · 06-01-2011 9:10pm

All we'll do is watch

06-01-2011 9:10pm

Numerous Individual Wars != World War.

iPlop · 06-01-2011 9:12pm

We're part of the EU ,neutral me bollocks

Scuid Mhór · 06-01-2011 9:12pm

pull it together lads, north korea isn't going to be starting anything.

msg11 · 06-01-2011 9:13pm

War ? Ireland, world war ? Never.

In other news I am back, after some ****e with smart. Now a 30 Meg UPC customer !

wonton · 06-01-2011 9:13pm

There is plenty of irish in the british army, we would do our part like we always have, but unfortunately the irish people that fight don't get that much recognition from their own country because of it being the british army.

Spacedog · 06-01-2011 9:14pm

New awesome war movies with Keanu Reeves!

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starbelgrade · 06-01-2011 9:14pm

What do you get when you cross a Kurd with a Turk?

A Turd.

Ghandee · 06-01-2011 9:14pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

So what do you think will happen?

I'll probably get beat again by that group of spotty teenagers again on 'head quarters' while they camp like feck, and use juggernaut!

06-01-2011 9:14pm

Well the US government is not putting out any war funding messages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12130628

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has announced a $78bn (£50.3bn) military budget cut, including a move to scrap a $13bn plan for amphibious vehicles.

If they had any inkling of escalating military action this is the last thing they would do!

chillywilly · 06-01-2011 9:14pm

Doom wrote: »

The film 'The Road' springs to mind :-(

worst film EVER

it's up there with Jeepers Creepers

filthymcnasty · 06-01-2011 9:17pm

Einstein-
''I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones''

he also may have said ah it'll be grand

Biggins · 06-01-2011 9:18pm

Will it mean the end of "Friends" re-runs?
O' yay!

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 9:19pm

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

pull it together lads, north korea isn't going to be starting anything.

N. Korea won't but USA could.
All it needs is a trigger.

In WW2 while Hitler was invading France and Poland, Japan on the other side of the world was invading China, Korea and all those pacific nations.
USA got involved in both those wars.

What I see is going to happen is when (and yes, its only a matter of time if you follow the nature of the events taking place) USA decides to attack Iran, Iran is going to start backing the "insurgents" and the people resisting US forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and basically wherever US attacks in the middle east.

China is going to be key here. If it decides to support Iran or USA in the war.
Pakistan would also be playing a key role here because its got the nukes.

And Israel-Palestine will be the trigger for this. Probably Israel is going to launch another attack on Palestine. Iran will say, that's it, we're gonna kick the Jews out of the Palestinian lands. Israel will force US to retaliate with launching an attack on Iran and thus starting WW3.

OctavarIan · 06-01-2011 9:20pm

chillywilly wrote: »

worst film EVER

Get out.

Sea Sharp · 06-01-2011 9:21pm

Nah, it won't happen.
An invasion of Iran has been 'just around the corner' for 5 years at this stage.
Worst case scenario is we get another cold war with the US and China.

Biggins · 06-01-2011 9:23pm

chillywilly wrote: »

worst film EVER

it's up there with Jeepers Creepers

You obviously haven't seen Ishtar!
Now THATS a turkey if ever there was one!

iPlop · 06-01-2011 9:25pm

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Nah, it won't happen.
An invasion of Iran has been 'just around the corner' for 5 years at this stage.
Worst case scenario is we get another cold war with the US and China.

Doubt it ,China makes everything for the US and the west.They can pretty much tell the west what to do these days.

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 9:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Well the US government is not putting out any war funding messages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12130628

If they had any inkling of escalating military action this is the last thing they would do!

Then why would UK say this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/8228244/Britain-forms-plan-for-Gulf-evacuation-in-event-of-war-with-Iran.html?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d1b0ea73637d189%2C0

Surely they wouldn't be wasting their time planning evacuation of British citizens from Middle East in the event of a war with Iran if they didn't know something.

IvySlayer · 06-01-2011 9:26pm

msg11 wrote: »

War ? Ireland, world war ? Never.

In other news I am back, after some ****e with smart. Now a 30 Meg UPC customer !

We were involved partially in WW1!

meditraitor · 06-01-2011 9:31pm

Of course the US want another world war, its the only way for the successful capitalists to get rid of a couple of million bums and potential prison users that are only a burder to them .

See they need a shed load of serfs to do the dirty work(wipe their ass) for them but when the serf population becomes too big they just send them to war in other peoples countries to get rid of the excess.

See the eejits doing the work for them are so easily led that they believe what they are being told, crazy stories about God and all that.

Its about money

bonerm · 06-01-2011 9:34pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

We were involved partially in WW1!

Yes but back then we were just a small part of a large world power who had an active interest in going to war. Thankfully we're an independent nation now.

Oh wait .....

el oh el · 06-01-2011 9:34pm

There wont be another world war, all the worlds powers are too financially or economically dependent on each other. Russia (not really an economic power, but still have nukes and a large army), China, USA, Japan, the EU and India are more concerned about their business interests and trade relations to start fighting each other. Its more likely that the world will be ruled by multinational corporations (if it isn't already) than by any nation winning a war.

That said, if there is a new world war id say the results could be "1984" style, large powers, too large to defeat each other fighting over the undeveloped nations to use as a workforce.

OctavarIan · 06-01-2011 9:35pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

Then why would UK say this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/8228244/Britain-forms-plan-for-Gulf-evacuation-in-event-of-war-with-Iran.html?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d1b0ea73637d189%2C0

Surely they wouldn't be wasting their time planning evacuation of British citizens from Middle East in the event of a war with Iran if they didn't know something.

So a review of a citizen evacuation plan is evidence of imminent war to you?

RichieC · 06-01-2011 9:35pm

The Yanks are a war like culture, bred to fear sex but love violence.

if you look at how their media works they basically have no real allies, they breed mistrust throughout their population of everyone, be it us "Euro weenies" the lying Russians or the secretly wanting to take over the world Chinese. assorted brown faces get lumped into one pile for handy fear mongering.

They are a danger to the world and the sooner they are knocked off the top the better IMO, they are to blame for nearly all the instability we currently enjoy world wide.

Sisko · 06-01-2011 9:37pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

Couple this with the fact Obama just signed for the largest military budget US history of over $800billion.

WTF , 1st I've heard of this. I'm glad he's not bush and all but fuck sake. How did this guy get a noble peace prize?

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 9:37pm

I'ld say if there's a WW3, it won't be a spectacle like WW1 or WW2. Well atleast not for people in the West. People in Iraq and Afghanistan are witnessing this "spectacle" everyday!

What's going to happen is the "War on Terror" is going to expand firstly into Pakistan, then into Kurdistan and Turkey, then probably Syria and Lebanon as well. But definitely at some stage the war will enter Iran. It could begin with a CIA staged coup like they did with Mosaddegh back in 1953. A CIA backed protest in Iran is enough to give US a reason to invade Iran. A similar sort of protest that happened during Michael Jackson's death after the allegedly "rigged" elections. US was ready to back the protesters and jump into Iraq but the protest was bought under controlled by Iraqi government. Another protest as such would be enough to go to war with Iran.

US didn't need a reason to go to war with Saddam. When it didn't have any reason, it just made up a reason of WMDs and Al-Qaeda links which all turned out to be false.

Also don't forget Ireland is now in the EU. If US requires more NATO support in its war, it could be very possible Irish troops would need to be deployed. Although the bigger impact will be economical rather than military/infrastructure.

Now US keeps going on about how Iran might be secretly developing nukes and how it is posing a threat to Israel. Its not gonna take much for another war to break out in the middle east!

Sisko · 06-01-2011 9:41pm

Tbh, whatevers going on now that might make people think ww3 is gonna happen is still nothing compared to all the shit that was going on during the cold war.

I don't see a ww3 happening.

el oh el · 06-01-2011 9:44pm

RichieC wrote: »

They are a danger to the world and the sooner they are knocked off the top the better IMO, they are to blame for nearly all the instability we currently enjoy world wide.

and their blind support for israel, not matter what war crime they commit, also adds to the tension in the middle east! All it would take is for the US to force israel, and they can, to leave the west bank and gaza, declare an independent Palestinian state and bob's your uncle!

inb4 pc-****: im not an anti-semite

OctavarIan · 06-01-2011 9:44pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

When it didn't have any reason, it just made up a reason of WMDs and Al-Qaeda links which all turned out to be false.

Source please, this is garbage.

The Floyd p · 06-01-2011 9:44pm

As long as it means another CoD game then roll on WW3!

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 9:45pm

Sisko wrote: »

WTF , 1st I've heard of this. I'm glad he's not bush and all but fuck sake. How did this guy get a noble peace prize?

I've got to correct, its $680bn.
Still the largest in US history.

Edit: That was the 2009-2010 budget. The 2011 budget is planned to be $725 billion.

mp3guy · 06-01-2011 9:49pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

Also don't forget Ireland is now in the EU. If US requires more NATO support in its war, it could be very possible Irish troops would need to be deployed.

Somebody obviously wasn't listening when their primary school teacher was describing set theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EU_and_NATO.svg

af_thefragile wrote: »

What's going to happen is the "War on Terror" is going to expand firstly into Pakistan, then into Kurdistan and Turkey

You may have also noticed, that NATO includes Turkey

RichieC · 06-01-2011 9:51pm

el oh el wrote: »

and their blind support for israel, not matter what war crime they commit, also adds to the tension in the middle east! All it would take is for the US to force israel, and they can, to leave the west bank and gaza, declare an independent Palestinian state and bob's your uncle!

inb4 pc-****: im not an anti-semite

They wont do that, far too many Christian fundies and Zionists running the show.

End times wont come until Israel is fully restored, including Gaza the west bank and down as far as the Euphrates river.

It's crazy that you can't have a serious convo regarding Israel without being called an anti Semite... (even jews can't oppose their policy's without being called it)

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 9:53pm

OctavarIan wrote: »

Source please, this is garbage.

Source?
I think everyone knows by this stage Saddam neither had WMDs nor did he have any connection with Al-Qaeda.

Did US find any WMDs in Iraq? Wasn't that the reason US gave for going to war with Iraq??

el oh el · 06-01-2011 9:54pm

RichieC wrote: »

It's crazy that you can have a serious convo regarding Israel without being called an anti Semite... (even jews can't oppose their policy's without being called it)

i have been called one before :eek:

RichieC · 06-01-2011 9:56pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

Source?
I think everyone knows by this stage Saddam neither had WMDs nor did he have any connection with Al-Qaeda.

Did US find any WMDs in Iraq? Wasn't that the reason US gave for going to war with Iraq??

Worse than no connection, Sadam despised them, they despised him.

The No WMD is self evident and not up for debate anymore.

Dave! · 06-01-2011 9:57pm

Alarmist thread is alarmist

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 9:57pm

mp3guy wrote: »

You may have also noticed, that NATO includes Turkey

Doesn't matter. Turkey is fighting the Kurds who are fighting for separation from Turkey. US and UK are backing the Kurds on this.

And even when the war does happen, it will mostly be "insurgents", guerilla resistance movements fighting the US/UK/NATO forces. So there will be instances where Iraqi and Afghan militants will be fighting the Iraqi and Afghan armed forces. Like what's happening right now.

af_thefragile · 06-01-2011 10:00pm

RichieC wrote: »

Worse than no connection, Sadam despised them, they despised him.

The No WMD is self evident and not up for debate anymore.

Iran despises USA and USA despises Iran.
US claimed Saddam had WMDs. US is claiming Iran is trying to develop WMDs.
And Iran is also supposedly threatening Israel.

Its not very different.

mp3guy · 06-01-2011 10:04pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

Doesn't matter. Turkey is fighting the Kurds who are fighting for separation from Turkey. US and UK are backing the Kurds on this.

I think you'll find it does matter.

What you're saying is a direct contradiction. I suggest you ring up NATO and let them know you've got it all figured out so that they can either kick Turkey out of NATO or tell the USA and UK to cop on.

There will not be a NATO civil war - that goes against the entire point of an alliance.

RichieC · 06-01-2011 10:04pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

Iran despises USA and USA despises Iran.
US claimed Saddam had WMDs. US is claiming Iran is trying to develop WMDs.
And Iran is also supposedly threatening Israel.

Its not very different.

Wouldn't be surprised if Iran was developing nukes, but I wouldn't worry about it anymore than I worry about failed states like Israel having them, there's something to be said for mutually assured destruction.

OctavarIan · 06-01-2011 10:05pm

af_thefragile wrote: »

Source?
I think everyone knows by this stage Saddam neither had WMDs nor did he have any connection with Al-Qaeda.

Did US find any WMDs in Iraq? Wasn't that the reason US gave for going to war with Iraq??

Oh sorry, I asked for a source, not 'I think everyone knows herp derp'.

Here are two articles from WIRED and Yahoo which cover nicely what was unearthed in Wikileaks Iraq war logs. That being that there were WMDs.

Don't try discuss war without sources. Your comment earlier on bringing the war on terror to Turkey was the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read.

[edit]Wikileaks also released logs that showed Iraq were getting ammunition from Iran.

World War 3.

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