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    #32
    mascaput
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    Keylem wrote: »
    Sigh!!!! Catholics DO NOT worship Mary!


    I beg to disagree with you. To worship is to revere, respect, pay homage, direct devotion to someone or some thing. There are varying aspects of worship, as it may apply in differing forms, though all relate to veneration of a being or object:

    Many marian prayers are directed towards the intercessionary powers of Mary to act as a medium to plead with her Jewish son Jesus, on behalf of the penitent, something like a medium in a seance, as they speak to the dead.

    Intercession     is the act of interceding (intervening or mediating) between two parties. In many forms of Christian worship, intercession forms a distinct form of prayer, but it is mainly the Roman Catholic Church that emphasises and glorifies Mary as a medium this way.

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    There are many devotional prayers to Mary herself, as a Jewish virgin, with the RCC professing that she continued to be a virgin even when she had other children after Jesus, such as James.
    These are some of the prayers to Mary herself, as the queen, ruler of Heaven:

    PRAYER TO OUR LADY: Remember, O most loving Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession was left unaided. Inspired with this confidence, we turn to you, O Virgins of virgins, our Mother. To you we come, before you we stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, do not despise our petitions, but in your mercy hear us and answer us. Amen.

    PRAYER TO OUR LADY, ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN: Immaculate Virgin, Mother of Jesus and our Mother, we believe in your triumphant assumption into heaven where the angels and saints acclaim you as Queen. We join them in praising you and bless the Lord who raised you above all creatures. With them we offer you our devotion and love. We are confident that you watch over our daily efforts and needs, and we take comfort from our faith in the coming resurrection. We look to you, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. After this earthly life, show us Jesus, the blest fruit of your womb, O kind, O loving, O Sweet Virgin Mary. Amen.


    Are you saying that this is not worship? Worship is reverent honour and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any thing regarded as sacred.


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    #33
    gimmebroadband
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    You can beg to differ all you like, and it doesn't matter what it may look like or seem like to others, we don't worship Mary, we honour her.
    Mary NEVER had other children! Jesus gave His Mother to the care of St. John at the foot of the cross, strange thing to do if He had brothers.

    The Holy Trinity paid homage to Mary......

    Gabriel sent to Mary with a message from God , Hail, so highly favoured, Hail, full of grace.....etc.


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    #34
    mascaput
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    gimmebroadband wrote: »
    You can beg to differ all you like, and it doesn't matter what it may look like or seem like to others, we don't worship Mary, we honour her.
    Mary NEVER had other children! Jesus gave His Mother to the care of St. John at the foot of the cross, strange thing to do if He had brothers.

    The Holy Trinity paid homage to Mary......

    Gabriel sent to Mary with a message from God , Hail, so highly favoured, Hail, full of grace.....etc.

    Worship: to render religious reverence and homage to, to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing). Reverence is the paying of honour, devotion, homage, adoration, or to idolise, venerate, revere, adore, glorify, idolize, or adulate.

    Catholics venerate Mary and refer to her as the 'Star of the Sea', a title previously applied to Ishtar/Venus. So, as a ruler, a queen, she is venerated, worshipped and idolised, which is witnessed by all the statues that you see all over the countryside in RC countries like Ireland, so there is no point in denying that Catholics worship her.

    The adulatory phrase 'Ave Maria" directly means 'praised be/hail Mary', which is an expression of reverence or worship, and like her pre-Christian counterpart, Artemis-Diana, she is referred to as 'Queen of Heaven, though when the custom of representing her with bleeding eyes came in I do not know.

    As for Mary not having other children, you really do need to read up on James (called the Just), as Jesus' brothers — James as well as Jude, Simon and Joses — are all named in Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3 and mentioned elsewhere. James' name always appears first in lists, which suggests he was the eldest among them. In the passage in Josephus' Jewish Antiquities (20.9.1) the Jewish historian describes James as "the brother of Jesus who is called Christ".
    Also, Paul, recounting his conversion, recalls "Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Caphas/Peter and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother."

    The 'Holy Trinity' concept was voted on and established as dogma by the Catholic Church at the Council of Nicaea in 325 ad, as the Jewish religion had no trinity being, as they said that their God was 'One'. Jews to this day do not have have this tripartite idea of God, and Jesus was a Jew, so if he never mentioned the Trinity, then it could not be real, just like the perpetual virginity of Mary, who was also Jewish, and not Roman Catholic.


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