Why Is Ireland So Afraid Of Progress?

ixoy

RockinRolla wrote: »

Government policy on drugs needs to be based on the independent scientific advice of experts, not policy-makers subjective views. We need to treat these victimless crimes in a health and administrative manner, not a criminal one. These addicts must receive the help they need, not be punished as criminals.

But if you're advocating that the government help them, and yet reduce taxes, where will the funds come from for this?

The second approach is that all drugs should be legalised. Why would it be the responsibility of society to pay for the consequence of the user?

So the user is responsible for themselves as it's privatised? Okay. Let's take the example of heroin again. If a user is responsible for their own pursuits .. but then it turns out they have a family. The children are left negligent due to the parent's habit.
If the user is solely responsible, how do you legislate for the children? Or would you advocate the government step in in this instance (funded by .. ?).

Cannabis, on the other hand has proven to have many industrial, medical and social benefits. The amount of revenue gained through tourism and investment from it's legalisation alone would bring us from the brinks of bankruptcy to international envy again.

I imagine the revenue it would bring in is a lot less than many seem to think, but it should certainly be doled out for the medical relief it can bring to many. If they can make a version that doesn't stink so strongly, then roll it out further...

partyatmygaff

ixoy wrote: »

But if you're advocating that the government help them, and yet reduce taxes, where will the funds come from for this?

All idealism yet no pragmatism.

JupiterKid

RockinRolla wrote: »

When we had the headshops - people marched up and down the streets and got them closed down. For what? Just so they could instill their values in the rest of society? Nobody forced those people into those establishments. That doesn't seem to be comparable to a free, democratic society to me.

The same thing with Monto. Talbot Street in Dublin was the largest red light and entertainment district in Europe and then the church got it all closed down. For what? So they could impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us?

When will we understand that Ireland is a multi-cultural society and change this draconian attitude that obliges us to control other people. We have lost all our civil liberties and freedom; if we ever had any to begin with.

+1. I completely agree.

Let's not fool ourselves. Ireland is in no way a progressive country on social matters (or economic or environmenttal, but that's a different story).

All we did in the past 20 years was to catch up with the rest of the developed world - but had to do so by being dragged, kicking and screaming.

Ireland is still a relatively immature society.

aDeener

RockinRolla wrote: »

When we had the headshops - people marched up and down the streets and got them closed down. For what? Just so they could instill their values in the rest of society? Nobody forced those people into those establishments. That doesn't seem to be comparable to a free, democratic society to me.

The same thing with Monto. Talbot Street in Dublin was the largest red light and entertainment district in Europe and then the church got it all closed down. For what? So they could impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us?

When will we understand that Ireland is a multi-cultural society and change this draconian attitude that obliges us to control other people. We have lost all our civil liberties and freedom; if we ever had any to begin with.

okay rockinrolla, we get it, you like drugs

aDeener

JupiterKid wrote: »

+1. I completely agree.

Let's not fool ourselves. Ireland is in no way a progressive country on social matters (or economic oir environmenttal, but that's a diffeent story).

All we did in the past 20 years was to catch up with the rest of the developed world - but had to do so by being dragged, kicking and sreaming.

Ireland is still a relatively immature society.

:rolleyes:

bloody hell, ireland is one of the best countries to live in.

i can never get this whole, 'ireland is so terrible' bitching that people do.

Grassroots_FF

JupiterKid wrote: »

+1. I completely agree.

Let's not fool ourselves. Ireland is in no way a progressive country on social matters (or economic oir environmenttal, but that's a diffeent story).

All we did in the past 20 years was to catch up with the rest of the developed world - but had to do so by being dragged, kicking and sreaming.

Ireland is still a relatively immature society.

Rubbish. Just because we don't have pimps roaming the streets with baseball bats doesn't mean we are an immature society.

Badgermonkey

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

Rubbish. Just because we don't have pimps roaming the streets with baseball bats doesn't mean we are an immature society.

Good comeback:eek:

fontanalis

Yay progress.

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/doherty-drugs-500x481.jpg

RichieC

RichieC wrote: »

get caught pissing into a canal, you'll have the **** kicked of you then locked up, the police there don't pull punches, I saw one guy paraded down the street hand cuffed to the arse of a police horse for acting the maggot drunk.

no, Prostitution and weed (not even actually legal) does not equal every crime being legal.

Id prefer our "couldn't care less attitude" to pissing into a canal and acting the maggot when drunk (within reason no damage or harassing people) than legal weed or prostitution both of which I have zero interest, a good feed of drink should be enough for anyone imo.

Op most of the stuff you suggested would have to go to a vote and most would vote against it, including myself. I think because a large number of people in AH like to call them selves atheists they think it is representative of the country where in fact its not. Now people may not attend mass etc in the same numbers but when it comes down to it most people will still side with the traditional catholic slant on things to a certain degree anyway.

Tbh I'm happy enough with society in this country and dont feel the need to rant on about not being able to do what I like. Sure I hate vrt and car tax etc and a few other things but Irish society is not a bad place to live in reality.

JupiterKid

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

Rubbish. Just because we don't have pimps roaming the streets with baseball bats doesn't mean we are an immature society.

Did I say that I advocated pimps with baseball bats roaming the streets?:rolleyes: And actually there are plenty of pimps in Ireland - brothel owners. Keeping prostitution illegal forces it underground and keeps the women in that sector abused and used.

We also need a radical overhaul of our drugs policy. Ireland has a love affair with a very dangerous drug - alcohol - but makes a big fuss over a bit of cannabis. Pathetic.

Same-sex couples have only just got legal recognition of their relationships - six years after the UK and it's not even close to the full rights of marriage. Being gay was a crime less than 18 years ago.

Abortion still has not been properly legislated for in Ireland. We hypocritically export the "probem" to the UK.

Naturism is not legislated for either. People in debt are jailed whilst the fat cat bankers, politicians and developers walk free.

There's lots I love about this country - but in terms of social progress, we are laggards.

Grassroots_FF

JupiterKid wrote: »

Did I say that I advocated pimps with baseball bats roaming the streets?:rolleyes: And actually there are plenty of pimps in Ireland - brothel owners. Keeping prostitution illegal forces it underground and keeps the women in that sector abused and used.

We also need a radical overhaul of our drugs policy. Ireland has a love affair with a very dangerous drug - alcohol - but makes a big fuss over a bit of cannabis. Pathetic.

Same-sex couples have only just got legal recognition of their relationships - six years after ther UK and it's not even close to the full rights of marriage.

Abortion still has not been properly legislated for in Ireland. We hypocritically export the "probem" to the UK.

Naturism is not legislated for either. People in debt are jailed whilst the fat cat bankers and developes walk free.

There's lots I love about this country - but in terms of social progress, we are laggards.

I have no problem with men who want to get their long john out as long as it's on a designated beach or nudist zone

RockinRolla

aDeener wrote: »

:rolleyes:

bloody hell, ireland is one of the best countries to live in.

Compared to where?

Have you ever lived in another country? It's this small-mindedness and ignorance that is holding back this country and whats worse is, you can't even see it. :rolleyes:

RockinRolla

RockinRolla wrote: »

Compared to where?

Have you ever lived in another country? It's this small-mindedness and ignorance that is holding back this country and whats worse is, you can't even see it. :rolleyes:

Other countries are alright in small doses, but as a place to live Ireland is unbeatable. Its not small mindedness its how people feel, your sprouting a very large amount of nonsense in fairness.

What exactly is the country being held back from?

Grassroots_FF

RockinRolla wrote: »

Compared to where?

Have you ever lived in another country? It's this small-mindedness and ignorance that is holding back this country and whats worse is, you can't even see it. :rolleyes:

What a patronising statement to all Irish people. Go immigrate if we are all so small minded.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

I have no problem with men who want to get their long john out as long as it's on a designated beach or nudist zone

You're in adult company. You may use the word "penis".

Eliezer Putrid Dealership wrote: »

Other countries are alright in small doses, but as a place to live Ireland is unbeatable. Its not small mindedness its how people feel, your sprouting a very large amount of nonsense in fairness.

What exactly is the country being held back from?

No, it's small mindedness. I mean, look at the amount of people who want to get things banned that they know nothing about and are quiet happy to spout ignorance like "junkies with baseball bats".

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

What a patronising statement to all Irish people. Go immigrate if we are all so small minded.

I did, and have lived in several contries, which means I have a better frame of reference.

charlemont

RockinRolla wrote: »

When we had the headshops - people marched up and down the streets and got them closed down. For what? Just so they could instill their values in the rest of society? Nobody forced those people into those establishments. That doesn't seem to be comparable to a free, democratic society to me.

The same thing with Monto. Talbot Street in Dublin was the largest red light and entertainment district in Europe and then the church got it all closed down. For what? So they could impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us?

When will we understand that Ireland is a multi-cultural society and change this draconian attitude that obliges us to control other people. We have lost all our civil liberties and freedom; if we ever had any to begin with.

Because the people who could change these laws have all immigrated since the foundation of the state, Dumb people fear change, thats why you hear so much bull**** from people repeating the same lies over and over again about drugs, sex, womans rights, homosexuals,etc while all the time the dumb peoples kids were being abused by those who were preaching to them...

The Saint

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

What a patronising statement to all Irish people. Go immigrate if we are all so small minded.

I presume you mean emigrate, and that seems to be your parties policy for economic recovery.

aDeener

RockinRolla wrote: »

Compared to where?

Have you ever lived in another country? It's this small-mindedness and ignorance that is holding back this country and whats worse is, you can't even see it. :rolleyes:

eh i suggest you look up the standard of living index conducted by the UN and see how highly ireland ranks :rolleyes:


oh yeah, the lack of legal drugs and prostitution is really holding us back, christ get some help would ya

RockinRolla

aDeener wrote: »

eh i suggest you look up the standard of living index conducted by the UN and see how highly ireland ranks :rolleyes:


oh yeah, the lack of legal drugs and prostitution is really holding us back, christ get some help would ya

No more to the point than than the man in the moon.

Judging by your response, it's conclusive that you do not possess the required intelligence or reason to even begin to understand what we are talking about. You are defending something which you don't even fully comprehend...and because of what? Ignorance? Patriotism?

If you think the men and women who died to free this country had a vision comparable to what we live under today, then you're so sadly and hopelessly delusional, it doesn't even bare debating with you.

Go back into your box now.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

aDeener wrote: »

eh i suggest you look up the standard of living index conducted by the UN and see how highly ireland ranks :rolleyes:


oh yeah, the lack of legal drugs and prostitution is really holding us back, christ get some help would ya

Its not the legallity or otherwise of activities, it's the accetance (or lack thereof) of someone else's freedom and knowledge about certain issues and this won't show up on any UN study.

Ireland is simply too scared and too ignorant to be conisded openminded. Take in case the opinions behind the banning of headshops rather than the banning itself, and the fact that the banning happened. I accept that it's a small conservative minority, but they have too much power and sway in the church and state, and while this is the case, nothing will change.

Ask yourself: how many other European countries fund education system that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of religion? How many other countries allow private activities to be censured or banned based on the opinions of people who never participate in said activities?

aDeener

RockinRolla wrote: »

No more to the point than than the man in the moon.

Judging by your response, it's conclusive that you do not possess the required intelligence or reason to even begin to understand what we are talking about. You are defending something which you don't even fully comprehend...and because of what? Ignorance? Patriotism?

If you think the men and women who died to free this country had a vision comparable to what we live under today, then you're so sadly and hopelessly delusional, it doesn't even bare debating with you.

Go back into your box now.

how is it not to the point? you claim ireland is this terrible backwards place. the UN ( a lot more diplomatic than a drug craving poster such as yourself) on the other hand show us that we are the 5th best place to live in!


you won't bother debating with me because you can't. you are claiming ireland is terrible when all objective evidence points otherwise.

Mike 1972

johnmcdnl wrote: »

you can say your an atheist if you want but if your still on the churchs books their going to use that authority to stand up for your "religious rights"

You do realise that getting oneself removed from the churchs books is easier said than done at the moment ?

RockinRolla

aDeener wrote: »

how is it not to the point? you claim ireland is this terrible backwards place. the UN ( a lot more diplomatic than a drug craving poster such as yourself) on the other hand show us that we are the 5th best place to live in!


you won't bother debating with me because you can't. you are claiming ireland is terrible when all objective evidence points otherwise.

See

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Its not the legallity or otherwise of activities, it's the accetance (or lack thereof) of someone else's freedom and knowledge about certain issues and this won't show up on any UN study.

Ireland is simply too scared and too ignorant to be conisded openminded. Take in case the opinions behind the banning of headshops rather than the banning itself, and the fact that the banning happened. I accept that it's a small conservative minority, but they have too much power and sway in the church and state, and while this is the case, nothing will change.

Ask yourself: how many other European countries fund education system that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of religion? How many other countries allow private activities to be censured or banned based on the opinions of people who never participate in said activities?

That is all. And I'm afraid you're the one who is incapable of a debate because you can't reason.

Chuchoter

In a perfect world, neither drugs nor prostitution would be legal. However I know that even though they are illegal they still exist and it really doesn't solve anything. If we legalized and strictly monitored prostitution, I think we would see a lot less trafficking and more support for prostitutes and this would lead to better conditions and a lot less women stuck in this line of work.

In terms of drugs, I think this is more complicated. If we were to legalize drugs, this could only be done by getting a prescription from a doctor because so many drugs can interact with other things in a persons body and kill them. I don't know if the people who want to take drugs really care what a doctor has to say and therefore would end up back a drug dealers. I don't think the situation we had with head shops was progress, it was marginally better than drug dealers for crime reasons but an awful lot worse for health reasons.

Marcus.Aurelius

Ireland refuses to move forward for quite simple reasons I think. Fianna Fáil, having been in for so long, have carved out their network of buddies and friends whose positions are in danger every time we are ready to move forward. This would probably be the same if any other party had been in power for so long.

The people themselves refuse to move forward, it seems to be a symptom of a backward society. If we remember de Valera's desire to have the country permanently in the stone age at the mercy of the Catholic Church, it is no surprise that the party he founded still has the same mentality, as do 40% of the population who vote for them every election.

Until there is change, there can be no improvement. We need new parties, keep chucking them out of power until they wake the fuck up. For Ireland, ignorance is the opium of the people. And that won't change a great deal in our lifetimes.

Dudess

RockinRolla wrote: »

We have lost all our civil liberties and freedom.

No. We haven't.

What's this obsession with going on about how backward Ireland is? Why are some people so willing to talk through their hole re it?

RichieC

crayolastereo wrote: »

In terms of drugs, I think this is more complicated. If we were to legalize drugs, this could only be done by getting a prescription from a doctor because so many drugs can interact with other things in a persons body and kill them. I don't know if the people who want to take drugs really care what a doctor has to say and therefore would end up back a drug dealers. I don't think the situation we had with head shops was progress, it was marginally better than drug dealers for crime reasons but an awful lot worse for health reasons.

we already have legal drugs, two of the most damaging drugs are fully legal. it's BS that something that hasn't killed a single person in recorded history is illegal, absolute BS.

we give drugs to the depressed that categorically cause suicidal tendencies and a whole host of side nasties. We sell codene over the counter for headaches.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

crayolastereo wrote: »

In a perfect world, neither drugs nor prostitution would be legal. However I know that even though they are illegal they still exist and it really doesn't solve anything. If we legalized and strictly monitored prostitution, I think we would see a lot less trafficking and more support for prostitutes and this would lead to better conditions and a lot less women stuck in this line of work.

In terms of drugs, I think this is more complicated. If we were to legalize drugs, this could only be done by getting a prescription from a doctor because so many drugs can interact with other things in a persons body and kill them. I don't know if the people who want to take drugs really care what a doctor has to say and therefore would end up back a drug dealers. I don't think the situation we had with head shops was progress, it was marginally better than drug dealers for crime reasons but an awful lot worse for health reasons.

In your perfect world, maybe. Also, I think having to get permission from a doctro before I head to the pub is a step in the wrogn direction.

I think a person taking drugs is not going to be of the blanket assumption that the drug they are takign will kill them. Most of the ones I took (which admittedly is very little) I knew about and were never goign to "kill" me as such. The reson I knew this is becquse I did some research rather than believeing someone blindly before I took it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dudess wrote: »

No. We haven't.

What's this obsession with going on about how backward Ireland is? Why are some people so willing to talk through their hole re it?

In fairness, there are a few who would take it that far. Thankfully, not that many, even in conservative circles.

For the record, I don't consider Ireland as backward, just not openminded (I know you never said I did - just clarifying).

RockinRolla

Dudess wrote: »

No. We haven't.

What's this obsession with going on about how backward Ireland is? Why are some people so willing to talk through their hole re it?

Oh really?

What is your opinion on womens rights in this country? Or the role of the women in our constitution? Are you in favour of supporting the perfect prolong-age of pain and suffering to the female race with draconian abortion laws because of the church?

You see nothing wrong with Ireland? At all?

Nolanger

Of course we have made progress! A century ago we had Joyce. Now we have Cecelia Ahern

RichieC

Nolanger wrote: »

Of course we have made progress! A century ago we had Joyce. Now we have Cecelia Ahern

fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

The Waltzing Consumer

Dudess wrote: »

No. We haven't.

What's this obsession with going on about how backward Ireland is? Why are some people so willing to talk through their hole re it?

The OP thinks progress is about abortion, drugs, prostitution and the Catholic Church.

The fact he sees progress as a car-cleaning product in the guise of a headshop product rather than the improvment in the fields of science, technology, community support, quality of living and many other more significant factors of progress, should be quite the hint how intelligent he is.

Forget advancing education, arts, employment, it is all about yanking your penis as some forced sex slave from Eastern Europe dances whilst you smoke some cleaning product. Progress in the OP = Retardation

Grassroots_FF

Nolanger wrote: »

Of course we have made progress! A century ago we had Joyce. Now we have Cecelia Ahern

A very talented and successful international writer she is too. One of her novels even became a box office hit.

RockinRolla

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

The OP thinks progress is about abortion, drugs, prostitution and the Catholic Church.

The fact he sees progress as a car-cleaning product in the guise of a headshop product rather than the improvment in the fields of science, technology, community support, quality of living and many other more significant factors of progress, should be quite the hint how intelligent he is.

Forget advancing education, arts, employment, it is all about yanking your penis as some forced sex slave from Eastern Europe dances whilst you smoke some cleaning product. Progress in the OP = Retardation

Your displayed intelligence resembles that equal to the smeared bird sh!t on ones car window.

Since when did I make references to my opinions on other areas? Of course, I'm for the advancement of science (less religion) in our society, technology, education (again, less religious influence = progress, my friend) and secondly, how would regulating prostitution be deemed as a slave trade? They're not doing it against their will....honestly, I can't believe the amount of ignorance...

And for your information, new legislation on martial issues promoting equality, drugs, protection for sex workers and getting the church out of Irish politics is progress.

Stop trolling.

Grassroots_FF

RockinRolla wrote: »

Your displayed intelligence resembles that equal to the smeared bird sh!t on ones car window.

Since when did I make references to my opinions on other areas? Of course, I'm for the advancement of science (less religion) in our society, technology, education (again, less religious influence = progress, my friend) and secondly, how would regulating prostitution be deemed as a slave trade? They're not doing it against their will....honestly, I can't believe the amount of ignorance...

And for your information, new legislation on martial issues promoting equality, drugs, protection for sex workers and getting the church out of Irish politics is progress.

Stop trolling.

Are you sure you're not some pimp or brothel owner who wants his business legitimised so you can make more profits?

amjon.

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

I'm suspicious of this liberal agenda to force their own values on every one else. And anyone who doesn't agree with them is dismissed as small minded and backwards:rolleyes:

Liberals are effectively fascists. Administering their dictats from their self appointed moral high ground.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

The OP thinks progress is about abortion, drugs, prostitution and the Catholic Church.

The fact he sees progress as a car-cleaning product in the guise of a headshop product rather than the improvment in the fields of science, technology, community support, quality of living and many other more significant factors of progress, should be quite the hint how intelligent he is.

Forget advancing education, arts, employment, it is all about yanking your penis as some forced sex slave from Eastern Europe dances whilst you smoke some cleaning product. Progress in the OP = Retardation

I think the OP mean progress as in having the same standards and rights as our european neighbours. What progress has been made by Ireland in the firelds of education, art, sceince, technology, community support and quality of living? The last two especially? Banning things that we were wrong to be scared of?

RichieC

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

A very talented and successful international writer she is too. One of her novels even became a box office hit.

Sure... "talented" :rolleyes:

The Waltzing Consumer

RockinRolla wrote: »

Your displayed intelligence resembles that equal to the smeared bird sh!t on ones car window.

Since when did I make references to my opinions on other areas? Of course, I'm for the advancement of science (less religion) in our society, technology, education (again, less religious influence = progress, my friend) and secondly, how would regulating prostitution be deemed as a slave trade? They're not doing it against their will....honestly, I can't believe the amount of ignorance...

And for your information, new legislation on martial issues promoting equality, drugs, protection for sex workers and getting the church out of Irish politics is progress.

Stop trolling.

Jesus, will you read some articles before you start blabbing on. Netherlands being the prime example for prostitution, let's have a look.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5400641.ece
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/slaves/etc/stats.html

More and more forced sex slaves are being FORCED to go to countries which legalise prostitution. Between 1000 and 8000 go to Netherlands per year. Congrats, one of the only forms of slavery in Europe and you want to bring it in the name of progress.

Yeah I am sure you have views on other issues, you may look less like a randy stoner if you try include some of these issues in your debate.

Chuchoter

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

In your perfect world, maybe. Also, I think having to get permission from a doctro before I head to the pub is a step in the wrogn direction.

I think a person taking drugs is not going to be of the blanket assumption that the drug they are takign will kill them. Most of the ones I took (which admittedly is very little) I knew about and were never goign to "kill" me as such. The reson I knew this is becquse I did some research rather than believeing someone blindly before I took it.

RichieC wrote: »

we already have legal drugs, two of the most damaging drugs are fully legal. it's BS that something that hasn't killed a single person in recorded history is illegal, absolute BS.

we give drugs to the depressed that categorically cause suicidal tendencies and a whole host of side nasties. We sell codene over the counter for headaches.

Just to point out I'm not talking only about hash, because most of the stuff the headshops sold was closer to ecstasy or heroin. The issue is most people don't do the research, and even if they did, frankly they aren't doctors. You generally don't prescribe things where the effects and ingredients are not known to people you have no medical history of. Just because we do it with drink and cigarettes doesn't mean its a free for all. Also, we don't sell codeine over the counter anymore.

Personally I don't think the definition of progress is reckless hedonism because 'Well I do the research' or 'I have my rights'. I'd rather we focused on womens rights, healthcare, and LGBTQ rights.

The Waltzing Consumer

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I think the OP mean progress as in having the same standards and rights as our european neighbours. What progress has been made by Ireland in the firelds of education, art, sceince, technology, community support and quality of living? The last two especially? Banning things that we were wrong to be scared of?

Many of our European neighbours share similar laws since EU law supersedes Irish law. As for the particular issues the OP has raised, they are very limited to randy stoners so I would take him more serious if he broadened the topic rather then looking very silly.

As for your other question about what progress Ireland has made in art etc., exactly, thats the type of questions we should be asking and answering when judging a whole country.

Majority of EU countries have banned headshop products like Ireland. Also, if we did a survey of banned things or items made illegal, I am pretty sure Ireland is not the only country in the EU to do so and to make us sound worse or better is ridiculous. If OP has references that show Ireland has banned far more products then anywhere else in Europe, it would be a good start.

amjon.

RockinRolla wrote: »

how would regulating prostitution be deemed as a slave trade? They're not doing it against their will....honestly, I can't believe the amount of ignorance...

And for your information, new legislation on martial issues promoting equality, drugs, protection for sex workers and getting the church out of Irish politics is progress.

Stop trolling.

How do plan on reconciling your fondness for prostitution with your sisters in arms - the feminists. Going to be one hell of an awkward silence after your "Lets murder our unborn children AKA Abortion" rally.

Grassroots_FF

crayolastereo wrote: »

Personally I don't think the definition of progress is reckless hedonism because 'Well I do the research' or 'I have my rights'. I'd rather we focused on womens rights, healthcare, and LGBTQ rights.

What the hell is the Q for? I swear you liberals are adding more letters everyday to represent some tiny little minority with no morals or religious values.

RockinRolla

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

What the hell is the Q for? I swear you liberals are adding more letters everyday to represent some tiny little minority with no morals or religious values.

Definitely troll territory now.

I say good day to you.

Chuchoter

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

What the hell is the Q for? I swear you liberals are adding more letters everyday to represent some tiny little minority with no morals or religious values.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056135531
I thought you were all cool with us gays? What happened?

This is the Q part, its a reclaimed term to cover all the other things like pansexual and genderqueer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

amjon.

crayolastereo wrote: »

I'd rather we focused on womens rights, healthcare, and LGBTQRSTVUWXYZ rights.

(Politically) corrected your post.

The Waltzing Consumer

RockinRolla wrote: »

Definitely troll territory now.

I say good day to you.

Weak :rolleyes:

Trolls are very fond of discrediting an argument with pesky facts and logical points of views. Damn them!

Run away so :rolleyes:

RichieC

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

What the hell is the Q for? I swear you liberals are adding more letters everyday to represent some tiny little minority with no morals or religious values.

:rolleyes: