Lee v Duddy confirmed for march 12

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

As much as I would enjoy seeing the fight, what changes for either man after this? A step back for both really. One beats the other, and all it is is a case of an ordinary fighter beating another ordinary fighter.

Steward really is hyping up this. A lot of nonsense from him. It's a battle between two avearge fighters.

Are you serious ?, say all you want about how poor you think both men are and how neither has a chance of ever doing anything significant in their careers(which you haven't said but I get the impression of), but if Andy Lee wins this fight he has a serious chance of getting a fight with Sergio Martinez........the lineal and true Middleweight champion. How often do we have Irish fighters contesting fights like that ?, McGuigan vs Pedroza was the last I believe(and even the lineage of that is somewhat debateable).

For Duddy well the chances are he gets another big money fight in America(probably an eliminator) or maybe a title shot vs one of the Germans who's probably look at Duddy as an easy payday. Either way things change hugely for both men after this, as the loser is really going nowhere.

Personally I feel Duddy is well past his prime and is badly faded now. The hard fights have taken their toll and while he still has the toughness to ship punishment he just doesn't seem to have the same offensive powers he once did. Lee is making improvements, and while he may still have his flaws he should have far too much for Duddy and hopefully he'll show us that he does indeed have the capabilities to fight at World level in this fight.

Tony Angelino

Will we be able to see this fight on TV?

Kelly green

Tony Angelino wrote: »

Will we be able to see this fight on TV?

If we are lucky sky might pick it up. But dont bet on it.

Spazdarn

Duddy's been in too many wars.

I don't see all that much improvement in Andy Lee recently to be honest, it's hard to quantify his improvement against useless opponents.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Are you serious ?, say all you want about how poor you think both men are and how neither has a chance of ever doing anything significant in their careers(which you haven't said but I get the impression of), but if Andy Lee wins this fight he has a serious chance of getting a fight with Sergio Martinez........the lineal and true Middleweight champion. How often do we have Irish fighters contesting fights like that ?, McGuigan vs Pedroza was the last I believe(and even the lineage of that is somewhat debateable).

For Duddy well the chances are he gets another big money fight in America(probably an eliminator) or maybe a title shot vs one of the Germans who's probably look at Duddy as an easy payday. Either way things change hugely for both men after this, as the loser is really going nowhere.

Personally I feel Duddy is well past his prime and is badly faded now. The hard fights have taken their toll and while he still has the toughness to ship punishment he just doesn't seem to have the same offensive powers he once did. Lee is making improvements, and while he may still have his flaws he should have far too much for Duddy and hopefully he'll show us that he does indeed have the capabilities to fight at World level in this fight.

I am not sure if you read my previous posts. I am well aware that Lee could get a shot, my point is that Lee is not world class, and plenty of fighters have got title shots that weren't world class, nor deserving of shots. Beating Duddy proves nothing, and Duddy beating Lee proves nothing. What a victory brings for either man is a separate discussion.

Spazdarn

Winning for either doesn't prove anything but it obviously would benefit either... in Andy's case it'll likely get him a title fight, in Duddy's case it'll further his career and aid him in getting some bigger money fights before he retires.

djburchgrove

It is fairly easy to predict that Lee should win on Points or late stoppage. However what must be taken into account is that Manny Steward will not be in his corner. He will be with Cotto against Mayorga thousands of miles away on the same night. If Duddy begins to rough him up, Lee with no real advice from his corner could become bewildered.

As far as lee proving himself at world class level? Short answer no... with a but. Andy Lee has had trouble getting big fights, he is not a big draw, yet his skill level represents a threat to most bigger named fighters. For whatever reason Lee/Duddy/Macklin have failed to square off until now. Lee has been close to fighting Martinez on a number of occasions, but it was HBO who blocked his most recent attempt, not Martinez or Lou Di Bella.

Any Irish boxing fan will realize that Lee has a lot more to gain from a win than Duddy. I for one am hoping he will win the fight and go on to fight a Pirog/Macklin/Sylvester in the summer then who knows? Maybe a shot against Martinez in November/December. Lets hope he can get an opportunity to prove if he truly is world class, which he may do with his impressive Skillset.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I am not sure if you read my previous posts. I am well aware that Lee could get a shot, my point is that Lee is not world class, and plenty of fighters have got title shots that weren't world class, nor deserving of shots. Beating Duddy proves nothing, and Duddy beating Lee proves nothing. What a victory brings for either man is a separate discussion.

I understand that's your position but why did you say

walshb wrote: »

As much as I would enjoy seeing the fight, what changes for either man after this? A step back for both really. One beats the other, and all it is is a case of an ordinary fighter beating another ordinary fighter.

Their whole life could change, significantly so. Whether they are good enough to win a title shot or not afterwards it opens doors towards not only one big money fight, but potentially quite a few for the winner and also greatly increases(or in the case of Duddy, revives) their American exposure and marketing value. The fact that the loser has (almost) nowhere to go, means that'd be a great change in their career aswell.

Duddy would nearly have to take Dolphill up on their idea to fight Fitzgerald if he lost this , and Lee would probably get dropped by Steward if he's not up to the level of beating John Duddy at this stage. Lee would probably have to forget America(or any big pay days ever) if he wanted to continue on fighting should he lose to Duddy.

So you can see a hell of a lot will change for both men after this fight, whether they're up to World title level or not.

Big Ears

djburchgrove wrote: »

It is fairly easy to predict that Lee should win on Points or late stoppage. However what must be taken into account is that Manny Steward will not be in his corner. He will be with Cotto against Mayorga thousands of miles away on the same night. If Duddy begins to rough him up, Lee with no real advice from his corner could become bewildered.

Steward isn't his head trainer nowdays anyway, Joey Gamache is. I don't foresee a problem in regard to the advice Gamache will be giving Lee if things get tough in there.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I understand that's your position but why did you say


Their whole life could change, significantly so. Whether they are good enough to win a title shot or not afterwards it opens doors towards not only one big money fight, but potentially quite a few for the winner and also greatly increases(or in the case of Duddy, revives) their American exposure and marketing value. The fact that the loser has (almost) nowhere to go, means that'd be a great change in their career aswell.

Duddy would nearly have to take Dolphill up on their idea to fight Fitzgerald if he lost this , and Lee would probably get dropped by Steward if he's not up to the level of beating John Duddy at this stage. Lee would probably have to forget America(or any big pay days ever) if he wanted to continue on fighting should he lose to Duddy.

So you can see a hell of a lot will change for both men after this fight, whether they're up to World title level or not.

I understand. I know well their lives could change should they get a shot, financially I would say. Still, both are what they are, very ordinary fighters

As I said, two separate discussions, but I am with you as regards your point!

djburchgrove

Steward still works his corner in any fight he can for Lee and trains him with Gamache, Have a lot of respect for Joey Gamache but Lee has a very close relationship with Steward as he manages him aswell.

It being the biggest fight of his career, as a Lee fan, I would be far happier if Steward were to be in the corner. I'm sure Andy Lee would be thinking the same.

All being said, should be a great fight.

With regards to whether it will be on TV or not? Hopefully RTE can buy the Irish Rights for next to nothing. No danger of it being overpriced as RTE is not available in the UK. Also, it will be a great night in for any Irish lad, not just the boxing fans.

walshb

I must give my verdict on how I think this will go.:)

I will go with Duddy by late rds stoppage. IF Duddy takes Lee's shots, then I think he can rough Lee up, get close and wear him down with volume. Lee isn't good inside, likes it from range. I think Duddy will be overall the fitter fighter, rougher fighter and hungrier fighter. Not a big hitter, but volume added to Lee not liking a fast pace will do the trick.

Digger01

walshb wrote: »

I must give my verdict on how I think this will go.:)

I will go with Duddy by late rds stoppage. IF Duddy takes Lee's shots, then I think he can rough Lee up, get close and wear him down with volume. Lee isn't good inside, likes it from range. I think Duddy will be overall the fitter fighter, rougher fighter and hungrier fighter. Not a big hittre, but volume added to Lee not liking a fast pace will do the trick.

This is the one that has been on the card for years, the way it is ,if Lee has any aspirations of been world class he needs to beat Duddy , it is as simple as that. Now problem is Duddy give him his dues is one tough customer and is willing, our probably has no choice in soaking up punches, he is a brawler at best, personaly I think if it comes to slugging it out Duddy wins. By the way i think Martinez would destroy both no probs, but it is interesting from an Irish perspective.

makl

Digger01 wrote: »

This is the one that has been on the card for years, the way it is ,if Lee has any aspirations of been world class he needs to beat Duddy , it is as simple as that. Now problem is Duddy give him his dues is one tough customer and is willing, our probably has no choice in soaking up punches, he is a brawler at best, personaly I think if it comes to slugging it out Duddy wins. By the way i think Martinez would destroy both no probs, but it is interesting from an Irish perspective.

for sure. duddy's been places in fights lee hasn't come close to yet. still lookin over the chavez fight though, and, well haven't made up my mind yet. initially thought duddy but wouldn't bet on it.

Benny Lava

This fight might be off.

According to Dan Rafael's Twitter (usually reliable) Duddy has decided to retire from boxing.

yabadabado

Benny Lava wrote: »

This fight might be off.

According to Dan Rafael's Twitter (usually reliable) Duddy has decided to retire from boxing.

Yeah saw that earlier on .it's on a good few people's accounts now.Strange one .

bamboozler

what a joke, lookin forward to that fight, he must of been really poor in sparring!

Spazdarn

Disappointed, it was an interesting fight. Who's Lee gonna fight now