MSU Election thread ***Read post 72 before posting***

Eric Cartman

Nision wrote: »

I hear Declan Meenagh is bringing a massive labour youth rent a crowd today.

im sure he will, and thats why I hope nobody would vote for him, nice lad , terrible political views and opinions though

banquo

westdub15 wrote: »

him and rob can share then

Um. I'm not in, and don't vote, labour?

He might have meant Ruadhri.

Daemos

Deleted User wrote: »

Heard a few people telling others to Reopen Nom's for Irish/Cultural Officer
Any reason why?

Didn't like only having one person to vote for maybe? Thinking if it reopens they'll have a shot at getting the position themselves?

declan06

Ok guys, my reaction to some of the crap posted here

"I hear Declan Meenagh is bringing a massive labour youth rent a crowd today."
Well Nision, as Robs campaign manager I'd see why spreading misinformation like this would be something you'd be motivated in doing. For the record, 2 of my friends from outside the college helped me, one for a bit of yesterday and today and the for the end of today.

Not voting for someone for being in a political party really stupid, the people who are involved in parties are the ones who understand how things work and are active and able to get things done.

AdmaialNimitz

declan06 wrote: »

Not voting for someone for being in a political party really stupid, the people who are involved in parties are the ones who understand how things work and are active and able to get things done.

Are you saying I dont understand how things work and I am incapable of getting things done because I am not involved in a political party?

declan06

AdmaialNimitz wrote: »

Are you saying I dont understand how things work and I am incapable of getting things done because I am not involved in a political party?

No, but political involvement is a good thing giving experience, so it's not a bad thing, and it's not a reason not to vote for someone.

Seren_

Look what one of my housemates took from college :P

sorry for the quality - phone camera!

philologos

declan06 wrote: »

Not voting for someone for being in a political party really stupid, the people who are involved in parties are the ones who understand how things work and are active and able to get things done.

I think political affiliations could adversely affect SU policies. Student politics and national politics need to be more firmly divided and unfortunately they aren't.

barleybooley

declan06 wrote: »

Ok guys, my reaction to some of the crap posted here

"I hear Declan Meenagh is bringing a massive labour youth rent a crowd today."
Well Nision, as Robs campaign manager I'd see why spreading misinformation like this would be something you'd be motivated in doing. For the record, 2 of my friends from outside the college helped me, one for a bit of yesterday and today and the for the end of today.

Not voting for someone for being in a political party really stupid, the people who are involved in parties are the ones who understand how things work and are active and able to get things done.

AdmaialNimitz wrote: »

Are you saying I dont understand how things work and I am incapable of getting things done because I am not involved in a political party?

declan06 wrote: »

No, but political involvement is a good thing giving experience, so it's not a bad thing, and it's not a reason not to vote for someone.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

I take it this is where the results will be posted up as they're coming in tomorrow?

CnaG

Jakkass wrote: »

I think political affiliations could adversely affect SU policies. Student politics and national politics need to be more firmly divided and unfortunately they aren't.

*Appropriate Liverpool (?) accent*
Now don't start that again.

Duddy

Your Text Here wrote: »

Look what one of my housemates took from college :P

sorry for the quality - phone camera!

HOW DARE THEY.


Totally doing the same thing


Count starts at 9am, Candidates and tallys only during counting, everyone allowed in during announcement of results:)

Student Observer also keeping a live update I believe.

ontour

I voted today but never got a sheet to vote on the constitution

LeixlipRed

Jakkass wrote: »

I think political affiliations could adversely affect SU policies. Student politics and national politics need to be more firmly divided and unfortunately they aren't.

Such absolute and utter rubbish. The only reason you want it to remain apolitical is because you have ultra-conservative views on social policy issues which left-wing parties and movements do not share. You want us to do the dirty work (like campaigning for free fees) while keeping us out of the SU. The left will be the dominant force in student politics over the next decade and I look forward to the day a radical left-winger is elected as SU President.

westdub15

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Such absolute and utter rubbish. The only reason you want it to remain apolitical is because you have ultra-conservative views on social policy issues which left-wing parties and movements do not share. You want us to do the dirty work (like campaigning for free fees) while keeping us out of the SU. The left will be the dominant force in student politics over the next decade and I look forward to the day a radical left-winger is elected as SU President.

oh ye because he disagrees with you you label him an ultra conservative. well done

Liber8or

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I look forward to the day a radical left-winger is elected as SU President.

For what purpose? What can a radical left-winger SU President actually achieve when it comes to social policies when he/she only has power over running a Student Union?
This is a Student Union, not a national political party with influence over legislation in Dail Eireann.

I think we need to actually step-back and re-evaluate the roles of elected members of the SU. In my opinion (as ignorant as it may be), the role of the President is to lead a team created to provide a service for students of a particular university; this one being NUI Maynooth. This involves most issues concerning students, such as entertainment, academic and personal problems and sharing these with the people who actually run the University.

I vote for people to do these things for me, and for other students. I certainly don't vote for someone who has an agenda against the current political party in government; as that is NOT what they were elected for. I couldn't give two fúcks if they love or hate Fianna Fail; all that matters to me is, can they provide the services students need? Instead, many SU elected members have adopted the idea that such action is what students want. If you ask a student the following question:

Which is more important to you; do you prefer your SU ensures every Monday night you will find a warm, friendly atmosphere in the SU Bar with entertainment?
OR
we hired a web designer to create a NUIM website outlying its concerns about the budget cuts where students can share their views.

Honestly, what do you think the answer will be?

Apart from the physical design of the college newspaper, The Print (which is very impressive) there has been absolutely nothing profoundly achieved by any SU elected group in my three years at NUIM. No South Campus ATM, no swimming pool, no extra food services (or improvements to existing ones), no new structures for student use. Succinctly, the manifestos outlined by candidates have NEVER reached their superfluous goals.

All that has been modified is the way in which existing STUDENT services has been run. More contact, e.g Facebook, or highlighting student concerns with the University, e.g library hours and parking.

So, when you stand back and actually examine what has been achieved, and what should be done, the role of the SU Exec is limited to a few tasks. But these tasks are so vital to the experiences of students at NUIM that any sort of relaxation surrounding them and you lose your mandate. Generally, such relaxation results in switching to monumental, political triumphant goals which are way out of depth of the very notion of what an SU Exec should be.

So, I ask you LeixlipRed, what exactly can a radical left-winger SU President do for the students of NUI Maynooth, in comparison to an apolitical President?

the_observer

Duddy wrote: »

Student Observer also keeping a live update I believe.

We absolutely will. We have some very cool surprises lined up for tomorrow.

banquo

I'll answer most points raised in the last few posts as best I can in the morning when I'm not malnourished and exhausted.

Also, many thanks to my campaign manager for finally returning my phone

banquo

Ps I sleep now.

the_observer

banquo wrote: »

Ps I sleep now.

Seconded

philologos

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Such absolute and utter rubbish. The only reason you want it to remain apolitical is because you have ultra-conservative views on social policy issues which left-wing parties and movements do not share. You want us to do the dirty work (like campaigning for free fees) while keeping us out of the SU. The left will be the dominant force in student politics over the next decade and I look forward to the day a radical left-winger is elected as SU President.

1. By the by, I'm about as apolitical as you can get right now in general. "Ultra-conservative" interesting Certainly in respect to a few issues (where it is reasonable) I am conservative, in others (where it is not so reasonable) I'm probably not. I have no interest in ramming any of my views through the SU unlike some others. Why not look back to what I said last year about stuff like this?

2. I don't expect "you" to do any work. I've already been quite clear in previous posts as to how FEE don't adequately represent me or "everyone". For the same reason as I oppose political party affiliation tickets for the SU. The idea of campaigning for free fees is great. There are a lot of appendages though in respect to FEE from our previous discussion which would dissuade me from involvement.

3. I want to keep people with leftist persuasion out of the SU? Of course not. In the same way I wouldn't want to keep a Jew or a Muslim out of SU exec. I just want to keep the political party tripe outside of SU elections! By the by, I must say that I am far from a "far right" person. I support decreasing income inequality in our society, and I am a proponent for the most part of the Scandinavian model.

Personally I don't think it should be permitted for candidates to run under a "FEE" banner, or a "Labour" banner or a "Socialist Workers Party" banner or Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, Éirigí, Fine Gael etc banner. I think most students would agree with me.

A key reason I voted for Rob yesterday is because I'm adequately satisfied that any political party associations which he may or may not have will not interfere with his work. I can be assured that he will be fair to all demographics on the campus. What I was most interested in in this election was if SU presidents were going to ensure that students continued to have the liberty to live and speak according to their beliefs (any demographic, faith, any beliefs, political or unpolitical, etc) on the campus. I'm satisfied that Rob will do this given my knowledge of him thus far.

declan06

Jakkass wrote: »

1. By the by, I'm about as apolitical as you can get right now in general. "Ultra-conservative" interesting Certainly in respect to a few issues (where it is reasonable) I am conservative, in others (where it is not so reasonable) I'm probably not. I have no interest in ramming any of my views through the SU unlike some others. Why not look back to what I said last year about stuff like this?

2. I don't expect "you" to do any work. I've already been quite clear in previous posts as to how FEE don't adequately represent me or "everyone". For the same reason as I oppose political party affiliation tickets for the SU. The idea of campaigning for free fees is great. There are a lot of appendages though in respect to FEE from our previous discussion which would dissuade me from involvement.

3. I want to keep people with leftist persuasion out of the SU? Of course not. In the same way I wouldn't want to keep a Jew or a Muslim out of SU exec. I just want to keep the political party tripe outside of SU elections! By the by, I must say that I am far from a "far right" person. I support decreasing income inequality in our society, and I am a proponent for the most part of the Scandinavian model.

Personally I don't think it should be permitted for candidates to run under a "FEE" banner, or a "Labour" banner or a "Socialist Workers Party" banner or Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, Éirigí, Fine Gael etc banner. I think most students would agree with me.

A key reason I voted for Rob yesterday is because I'm adequately satisfied that any political party associations which he may or may not have will not interfere with his work. I can be assured that he will be fair to all demographics on the campus. What I was most interested in in this election was if SU presidents were going to ensure that students continued to have the liberty to live and speak according to their beliefs (any demographic, faith, any beliefs, political or unpolitical, etc) on the campus. I'm satisfied that Rob will do this given my knowledge of him thus far.

And another thing, I'm a member of a party, not running as a party candidate.

terry1976

I am new to this site so maybe I am missing something; and so while I agree with you it is good that people running for office have political awareness, it does not follow that this man disagreeing with you makes him an ultra-conservative.

Kiwi_knock

Stolen from the Student Observer: All boxes open

I presume they will do the count for the referendum on the Constitution first and then follow it with St Pats and Irish Officer.

declan06

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

Stolen from the Student Observer: All boxes open

I presume they will do the count for the referendum on the Constitution first and then follow it with St Pats and Irish Officer.

Count starts at 9am in the Venue, and Referendum will be counted first, then St.Pats, Irish, Finance, Ents, Comms, Welfare, President.

by the way, observer live blog: http://twitter.com/#!/stobserver

LeixlipRed

Liber8or wrote: »

So, I ask you LeixlipRed, what exactly can a radical left-winger SU President do for the students of NUI Maynooth, in comparison to an apolitical President?

I ask you why you think change can only come through the Dail? I believe that change comes from mass movements of people. A radical SU could organise demonstrations, marches, occupations, strikes, etc, actually do something as opposed to lobbying politicians. The SU President has the ability to use the office as a platform for mobilising students. None of them have any interest in it of course.

LeixlipRed

westdub15 wrote: »

oh ye because he disagrees with you you label him an ultra conservative. well done

Nope, because Jakkass is very open about his ultra-conservative views and has been for a very long time before you came along

philologos

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Nope, because Jakkass is very open about his ultra-conservative views and has been for a very long time before you came along

Admittedly, I wouldn't consider myself to be "ultra-conservative". In fact I wouldn't really use the tag "conservative". I have values which are centred on Christianity and I don't deny this, a lot of which could be said to be quite liberal. Although I don't like that tag either.

As far as I think things should go on campus, I just think tolerance of other peoples views and convictions and their rights to live by them is enough to be quite honest with you. When people start trying to ram their own views into SU politics that's when I'm turned off immediately. This seems to be what you mean when you want a "radical left" SU president. It is about as appealing as the SU operating by Sharia law.

terry1976

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

Stolen from the Student Observer: All boxes open

I presume they will do the count for the referendum on the Constitution first and then follow it with St Pats and Irish Officer.

Will there be news on-line of how it is going?

Kiwi_knock

terry1976 wrote: »

Will there be news on-line of how it is going?

The Student Observer seem like the only source of info today.

You can follow them on twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/stobserver)

And on their website where they will be doing live audio streaming (http://studentobserverireland.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/msu-election-2011-coverage-live/)

terry1976

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

The Student Observer seem like the only source of info today.

You can follow them on twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/stobserver)

And on their website where they will be doing live audio streaming (http://studentobserverireland.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/msu-election-2011-coverage-live/)

Thank you.:)

bopsicle

Referendum count has started

terry1976

bopsicle wrote: »

Referendum count has started

Yes, and I read on Twitter that the yes side is winning

the_observer

If anyone is looking for us, we will be in the open area in the SU. On a stage. Our subtlety knows no bound.

daffodil14

Constitutional Referendum Result:

TVP: 2112
Spoil: 87
Yes: 1664
No: 361

Yes wins with 78% of the vote to 22%.

Kiwi_knock

Constitution passes with 78% support. Great to see it passed.

Now on to the proper elections, St Pats should be done quick enough due to low number of votes and only one candidate

Kiwi_knock

Count for President being done next, a bit weird. That should really be at the end.

Edit: Being done in order of number of candidates, still a bit weird to me.

Kiwi_knock

Seen on FB that Maura has been elected Pats Rep.
Valid Poll...109 Quota...56 Maura...103 RON...6

daffodil14

so they say they are going to start with president but they start with the theology faculty rep haha

Kiwi_knock

The count for the President will be the first sabbat position counted. Before that Ents, Finance and Irish officer will be elected

daffodil14

ah that makes more sense

Kiwi_knock

Irish Language and Cultural Affairs:
Valid Poll... 2006 (586 spoils) Quota.... 1004
Deidre... 1863 RON....146
Deidre deemed elected.

terry1976

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

Seen on FB that Maura has been elected Pats Rep.
Valid Poll...109 Quota...56 Maura...103 RON...6

That is great news for Maura. I know that it ended up with herself as the only candidate, but she will be a great asset for the SU executive.

Cool_CM

By the way, well done to the lads who run the student observer. It's great to have up to the minute information!

Kiwi_knock

Cool_CM wrote: »

By the way, well done to the lads who run the student observer. It's great to have up to the minute information!

Totally agree, otherwise no one would have a clue what was going on today.

Ms. Koi

They are sitting behind me and are up on a pedestal, but doing really well it must be said!

terry1976

Finance election

Ruadrhi 1154
Maghnus 808

I really liked Maghnus’ leaflet ‘the dollar bill’.

the_observer

Thanks. makes the fatigue and constant monitoring of the internet some what more bearable.

Ms. Koi

If you want to annoy Schmick...touch his ears...

shmici

Can i honestly just point out kellie
don't touch my ears or you will be receiving one of my "promises"
secondly its SHMICK!!!
I'm not a German!