Brian Cowen, Sean Fitzpatrick, Golf and the Gardai

maynooth_rules

The suspicious side of me is thinking that events this week surrounding Biffo and Fitzpatrick are proving why criminal proceedings appear to never be coming against Seanie Fitzpatrick. Being brought in for questioning that one day was only for show to the media

sligopark

Have to agree - Seanie would have been well advised prior to talking and now with the Bol' Ivor getting his let off - expect no one to get any punishment other than a bollocking on the front step which heaps of FF'er rats are stepping down from and getting a much better financial package to do so.

Irish politics - got to love it.

If you are a politician.

ilovesleep

sligopark wrote: »

Have to agree - Seanie would have been well advised prior to talking and now with the Bol' Ivor getting his let off - expect no one to get any punishment other than a bollocking on the front step which heaps of FF'er rats are stepping down from and getting a much better financial package to do so.

Irish politics - got to love it.

If you are a politician.

The only thing that will help the people of this country is seeing justice.

hotmail.com

maynooth_rules wrote: »

The suspicious side of me is thinking that events this week surrounding Biffo and Fitzpatrick are proving why criminal proceedings appear to never be coming against Seanie Fitzpatrick. Being brought in for questioning that one day was only for show to the media

I thought the same myself - I've a feeling there's a lot going on behind the scenes, texts, phone calls, bribery, deals. It stinks.

And yet again, our Taoiseach is involved in shady behaviour, it's depressing.

sligopark

hotmail.com wrote: »

I thought the same myself - I've a feeling there's a lot going on behind the scenes, texts, phone calls, bribery, deals. It stinks.

And yet again, our Taoiseach is involved in shady behaviour, it's depressing.

Another FF taoiseach again involved in shady behaviour one after the other is the depressing part...

FF and self interest before the country ... twice now.

Devilman40k

Twice?..I'm sure it's the third ff Taoiseach who's put his own self interest ahead of the good of the nation. And worse than that he's put his leadership of a political party ahead of the people he claims to represent!

Shea O'Meara

sligopark wrote: »

would have to agree after having seen how the common man's Labour's Eamon Gilmore's wife raped their own community over the school land deal.

there is a thread on this. The property was sold at normal market value. It's a non-story FFail/Sindo hype job.

sligopark

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

there is a thread on this. The property was sold at normal market value.

of course it was - the community was raped - if it was a true 'Labour' representative something should have been worked out ala communtiy socialist values rather than FF values under the old one excuse of market value (at its height too and no mention of the fact it was received by Mrs Gilmore for nothing ...)

veritas please and no excuses ...

ilovelamp2000

maynooth_rules wrote: »

The suspicious side of me is thinking that events this week surrounding Biffo and Fitzpatrick are proving why criminal proceedings appear to never be coming against Seanie Fitzpatrick. Being brought in for questioning that one day was only for show to the media

What we're seeing now are the reasons why Biffo was so opposed to a public inquiry into the banking crisis.

Everybody knew Anglo was not "systemically important" to the Irish economy, but that's the spin we were treated to. That has since been proven to be complete nonsense, as expected.

So when you summarise the situation a bizarre decision was taken by Government, which landed the country with billions in debt that it did not need (or have) to take on and we're meant to believe that all these close connections with Anglo, the games of golf, the meetings, the dinners, the friendships etc were all just coincidence.

Give me a break. We've been taken for fools.

RUGGLEZ

Fears are growing amongst employees at Quinn Insurance

This week saw heated debate between the Quinn family and the administrators as to whether the Quinn Family had put in a bid to buy the company or not. The administrators have now confirmed with employees that there is only 1 single bidder left in the process, it a partnership of Anglo Irish Bank and an unnamed American insurance company

Administrators have lost the faith of Quinn employees and have called urgent meetings with management. They have put huge pressure on management to keep employees quiet about the sale process and have told management to either keep the employees quiet or 'nit pick' till the employee is under such stress that they make errors and then to performance manage them out.

The company is now hugely top heavy with far too many in management positions, with a huge shortfall of claims handlers, this has resulted in claims handlers dealing with twice and three times their expected workloads. There are huge amount of management with only 1 or 2 people to manage.

Administrators have now promised employees 2k 'hush money' each if they will keep quiet till after the sale goes through. Due to the huge disgruntlement amongst employees the new buyer will certainly have their job cut out for themselves.

Administrators have also been persecuted for making 150k per month and doing very little to deserve it. The Northern Ireland and UK offices are particularly uneasy at this time, with Administrators being invited to The Cavan Chamber of Commerce this week to discuss the growing unrest, this was an invitation that was declined. The business community in Cavan has also turned it's back on the Administrators and whoever the new buyer will be.

Should the sale of Quinn Insurance go ahead the new buyer will certainly have their work cut out for them.

sligopark

There will be no sale of Quinn - merely a takeover from FF (with careful consideration of the impact on the healthcare market - NOT - that said it will happen oif only to mess uo anyone taking over national governance)

sceptre

Note: Please keep the thread on-topic guys. There are a few tangents fluttering about where there are already threads discussing those.

alex73

sceptre wrote: »

Note: Please keep the thread on-topic guys. There are a few tangents fluttering about where there are already threads discussing those.

You should close the thread.. 21 pages of innuendo going nowhere.

Biggins

alex73 wrote: »

You should close the thread.. 21 pages of innuendo going nowhere.

...I take it you disagree with whats been said?
O' yes. It must be closed then! :rolleyes:

later12

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Everybody knew Anglo was not "systemically important" to the Irish economy, but that's the spin we were treated to. That has since been proven to be complete nonsense, as expected.

Do you think that Lehman Bros. was ''systemically important'' to the US economy?

The thing is we saved our Lehman's. I, and many other people, believe that was a necessary step, although how it was handled and how the case is yet being handled reads like a 'What Not To Do' of investment banking.

ilovesleep

goat2 wrote: »

why are there no arrests for the robbery that has been done, if i borrowed from a bank, and renaged on payments, i would go to court have my assets taken and end up in jail, why are there not at least 20 people in jail right now for doing just this

I was going to ask the same thing. If you or I was to do anything even seriously damageing and illigal you can bet your ass the gardi would be hunting you down.

Fitzerb

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

there is a thread on this. The property was sold at normal market value. It's a non-story FFail/Sindo hype job.

Its a non story......... You must be joking. Happy Gilmore is shouting across the Dail that FF policies are the reason for over inflated prices on land just to satisfy the developers and are the reason why so many young people are not able to purchase a house and at the same time he wife is screwing for the highest price possible..... Double standards.
If FF do this its corruption in your eyes if Happy Gilmore does the same thing its a non story. Creditability ?

sligopark

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Everybody knew Anglo was not "systemically important" to the Irish economy, but that's the spin we were treated to. That has since been proven to be complete nonsense, as expected.

later10 wrote: »

Do you think that Lehman Bros. was ''systemically important'' to the US economy?

it wasn't systemically important to the US economy

later10 wrote: »

The thing is we saved our Lehman's. I, and many other people, believe that was a necessary step, although how it was handled and how the case is yet being handled reads like a 'What Not To Do' of investment banking.

What part of not systemically important to the Irish economy is there not to be understood?

Do you think it was ok for the Irish taxpayer to forgo a national health care service and other services for the next generation and more to bail out foreign investors and european banks?

later12

sligopark wrote: »

it wasn't systemically important to the US economy

Exactly, but that didn't stop its collapse from having catastrophic implications for the systemic banks and for the US and world economy generally.

You can save a bank or you can let it go. It isn't a black or white question, it's a matter of how you handle the bailout or how you handle the collapse. We decided to go with save. Okay, fine. But we did it the wrong way. We ought to have lobbied for a system where we could have sent our bailed out banks to Europe instead of our sovereign debt, and we ought to have written down security values within the Anglo system quickly and extensively.

Or we could have let the bank go, but that would probably have been cocked up as well to be honest.

What part of not systemically important to the Irish economy is there not to be understood?

To be honest, I think it is you who doesn't understand the answer to that question.

Liam Byrne

later10 wrote: »

We decided to go with save. Okay, fine. But we did it the wrong way. We ought to have lobbied for a system where we could have sent our bailed out banks to Europe instead of our sovereign debt, and we ought to have written down security values within the Anglo system quickly and extensively.

Or we could have let the bank go, but that would probably have been cocked up as well to be honest.

That's an awful lot of "we"s ...... are you referring to FF when using that phrase ?

Because I can tell you that "we" [ as in normal Irish people including me ] did nothing of the sort.

later12

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That's an awful lot of "we"s ...... are you referring to FF when using that phrase ?

Because I can tell you that "we" [ as in normal Irish people including me ] did nothing of the sort.

Irish financial policy. This is the policy our country went with. That's the sense in which I use ''we''. Is that the best you can do? Come on.

Liam Byrne

later10 wrote: »

Irish financial policy. This is the policy our country went with. That's the sense in which I use ''we''. Is that the best you can do? Come on.

Well people have been using "we" and "us" incorrectly for a while now, so I had to check.

Ireland did not decide those policies. FF & The Greens did.

And while under normal circumstances it could be argued that we abide by the incompetent decisions of whoever we're unfortunate enough to have in power, this was far too big a call to be implemented without a referendum.

So I refute that it was a "we" or an "Ireland" involved.

later12

Liam Byrne wrote: »

So I refute that it was a "we" or an "Ireland" involved.

I never cease to be amazed at your indignation on the most basic and uncontroversial of points, or your ability to take a conversation and make it about anti Government moaning. Okay LiamByrne, you do that.

I'm merely commenting on Irish banking policy.

goat2

sligopark wrote: »

would have to agree after having seen how the common man's Labour's Eamon Gilmore's wife raped their own community over the school land deal.

looks like they looked to splash **** on guilmore, and found this honest above board story and tried to twist it, welllllll
they were wrong, they were not looking at their own team, not every one does underhanded things like others

Liam Byrne

later10 wrote: »

I never cease to be amazed at your indignation on the most basic and uncontroversial of points, or your ability to take a conversation and make it about anti Government moaning. Okay LiamByrne, you do that.

If the words hadn't been abused for the last 3 years, I wouldn't be so pedantic about it.

later10 wrote: »

I'm merely commenting on Irish banking policy.

Just as well I'm no longer with an Irish bank, so. Don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

But if you'd said that in the first place, I'd have had no objection.

sligopark

goat2 wrote: »

looks like they looked to splash **** on guilmore, and found this honest above board story and tried to twist it, welllllll
they were wrong, they were not looking at their own team, not every one does underhanded things like others

Although Happy Gilmore like ffers took the money over principle

Guys, lets keep this on topic. This topic is about Cowen, Golf and the Gardai. If you want to discuss anything else, please start a new thread.

Barname

Papa Smut wrote: »

Guys, lets keep this on topic. This topic is about Cowen, Golf and the Gardai. If you want to discuss anything else, please start a new thread.

...

the Gardai should arrest Cowen before he plays another round of Golf

back on topic..............

nicegirl

Time for Brian Cowen to be gone. I watched the debate about this the other day when it was live from the Dail. He was questioned about his evening with Sean Fitzpatrick, dinner etc. I was just waiting for him to say he was drunk at the end of the evening!! :P

Brian Cowen is not good at telling lies, I could tell that by him from the speech he gave anyways

Oh......for old times sake, I thought I would put this up....give you a laugh at least!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zJkdJ2I58o

raymon

. In the us if someone does something bad they just apologise, check into rehab and all is forgiven. Cowen should check into rehab and blame his treasonous activities on the booze.