Liverpool's Ryan Babel faces FA probe for Twitter blast at Howard Webb

srfc19

lordgoat wrote: »

Well if he did it in a public forum named you and questioned your ability to do your job well, then ya you could.

I don't think questioning his ability to do his job would count as defamation.

If it ever went to court all Babel would have to do would be to show a video of the penalty decision, and any court in the world would agree that Webb cannot do his job well!!

flahavaj

Can't wait for the next time Babel dives to get a penalty. Hope Webb is the ref and he gives him the line.:pac:

#15

Mister men wrote: »

He's spot on. Webb is as corrupt as they come.

Wrong forum

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Revolution9

Can't understand why the "Maud Flanders birgade" as Chucky put it are so up in arms over this.

Can just imagine Adox and the likes:

"What's this? Defamatory comments?! Not in my sport. Quick everyone, to the Internet!"

srfc19

#15 wrote: »

Wrong forum

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

But that isn't the completely factual statements forum?

Revolution9

flahavaj wrote: »

Can't wait for the next time Babel dives to get a penalty. Hope Webb is the ref and he gives him the line.:pac:

That would require Ryan Babel to be in the opposition's penalty area with possession of the football, which is a highly unplausible scenario.

#15

srfc19 wrote: »

But that isn't the completely factual statements forum?

Exactly.

Ordinary man

The penalty tonight was debatable, the sending off was a no brainer but after that liverpool got a lot of decisions. Kelly's tackle on evra was close, also shelvey's on giggs(i thought both were penalties until i saws the replays) Evans got pulled down by skyrtel, there were a few fouls on united players that were played on, fletcher and anderson saw yellow for nothing tackles. If anything united got 1 decision and about 10 against.Biased:rolleyes:

tommyhaas

adox wrote: »

But they went further than saying they thought he was **** at his job.
Posting pictures of him with a United jersey on straight after the match and the ****e that Dalgliis jar spouted. I'm sure he could sue for defamation of character or something similar.

Also lol at the comments that Babel was only being honest. Do you really think he thinks Webb goes out of his way to favour United, when he thinks about it in the cold light of day.

He acted like a child having a tantrum who couldn't keep his emotions in check. Bringing the game into disrepute IMO.

How could he sue for defamation of character? If that sort off thing was to make it to court, the courts would be clogged up for years with all sorts of defamation suits

Also, about Babel only being honest, the point was he was being honest in his opinion. Would you prefer the usual cliches to be trotted out, ''these things even themselves up over the course of a season'' etc

These sort off outbursts are a refreshing change from the usual PC sh!te trotted by everyman and his dog each week.

adox

Revolution9 wrote: »

Can't understand why the "Maud Flanders birgade" as Chucky put it are so up in arms over this.

Can just imagine Adox and the likes:

"What's this? Defamatory comments?! Not in my sport. Quick everyone, to the Internet!"

I can't understand why the Howard Webb is corrupt brigade were so up in arms earlier on the match thread when he gave that peno. He was only acting according to type by their deluded conspiracy theory reckoning.

Revolution9

adox wrote: »

I can't understand why the Howard Webb is corrupt brigade were so up in arms earlier on the match thread when he gave that peno. He was only acting according to type by their deluded conspiracy theory reckoning.

I find it hard to believe you can't understand the anger of fans that lost an important match to a controversial goal.
Being morally outraged by twitter comments is another bag of jelly beans all together

adox

tommyhaas wrote: »

These sort off outbursts are a refreshing change from the usual PC sh!te trotted by everyman and his dog each week.

But it doesn't have to be one or the other. He went way over the top when posting that picture.

The fact that I hold that view doesn't necessarily follow that I hold "the usual PC ****e" views either.

Revolution9

tommyhaas wrote: »

These sort off outbursts are a refreshing change from the usual PC sh!te trotted by everyman and his dog each week.

+1

adox

Revolution9 wrote: »

I find it hard to believe you can't understand the anger of fans that lost an important match to a controversial goal.
Being morally outraged by twitter comments is another bag of jelly beans all together

Look it was a retort to your reply, but with some truth to it too. Of course I can understand Liverpool fans being upset losing to what was a controversial penalty. Having said that, I was aiming that post at plenty some Liverpool supporters posting on here saying that Webb is corrupt etc.

Mister men

The Muppet wrote: »

I didn't say that at all, but you know that , hence no quotes.

You intrepreted the picture the same as I did and I'd imagine the same as The FA will.

Have a good night.

Here's the quote from yourself.

"A player publically accusing a ref of being corrupt is not a smart move. He'll be in big trouble over that, they'll want to stamp that nonsense out straight away. They'll make an example of Mr Babel for sure"

Once again Muppet where did Babel accuse Webb of being corrupt?

citytillidie

adox wrote: »

But they went further than saying they thought he was **** at his job.
Posting pictures of him with a United jersey on straight after the match and the ****e that Dalgliis jar spouted. I'm sure he could sue for defamation of character or something similar.

Also lol at the comments that Babel was only being honest. Do you really think he thinks Webb goes out of his way to favour United, when he thinks about it in the cold light of day.

He acted like a child having a tantrum who couldn't keep his emotions in check. Bringing the game into disrepute IMO.

Then he should look for the person who first created the image as its been online for a while today is not the 1st day its been seen

tommyhaas

adox wrote: »

I can't understand why the Howard Webb is corrupt brigade were so up in arms earlier on the match thread when he gave that peno. He was only acting according to type by their deluded conspiracy theory reckoning.

What? So should you be annoyed if someone burgles your house? I mean after all, the burgler is only acting according to type

adox wrote: »

But it doesn't have to be one or the other. He went way over the top when posting that picture.

The fact that I hold that view doesn't necessarily follow that I hold "the usual PC ****e" views either.

Yes and Babel may have another view. He is entitled to tweet what he wants, and regardless of whether it's right or wrong, it's opinion and he is entitled to that

The Muppet

Mister men wrote: »

You said BABEL said Webb was corrupt.

Mister men wrote: »

Here's the quote from yourself.

"A player publically accusing a ref of being corrupt is not a smart move. He'll be in big trouble over that, they'll want to stamp that nonsense out straight away. They'll make an example of Mr Babel for sure"

Once again Muppet where did Babel accuse Webb of being corrupt?

Theres no quote from Babel in that post . Will you quote where I said what you say I said, If not, Why are you making up things and accusing me of saying them?

Revolution9

citytillidie wrote: »

Then he should look for the person who first created the image as its been online for a while today is not the 1st day its been seen

Spurs fans made it after the 5-2 defeat at OT a few seasons back. Spurs were 2-0, Carrick ran in to the box, Gomes won the ball yet Webb blew for a penalty and Spurs fans blamed Webb for the 5-2 defeat.

Although don't tell BERBA coz he thinks only Liverpool fans blame referees

adox

tommyhaas wrote: »

What? So should you be annoyed if someone burgles your house? I mean after all, the burgler is only acting according to type

Well if I knew a burgler was in my house for 90 minutes Id expect something to be knicked.

tommyhaas wrote: »

Yes and Babel may have another view. He is entitled to tweet what he wants, and regardless of whether it's right or wrong, it's opinion and he is entitled to that

And face the consequences for his actions.

Liam O

So who'll be making the thread next time Liverpool get a decision in their favour?

Revolution9

Liam O wrote: »

So who'll be making the thread next time Liverpool get a decision in their favour?

Or the next time one goes against Man U

tommyhaas

Revolution9 wrote: »

Spurs fans made it after the 5-2 defeat at OT a few seasons back. Spurs were 2-0, Carrick ran in to the box, Gomes won the ball yet Webb blew for a penalty and Spurs fans blamed Webb for the 5-2 defeat.

Although don't tell BERBA coz he thinks only Liverpool fans blame referees

They always get done up there


Hope Roy Carroll wont sue over this now

Mr. Presentable

Ordinary man wrote: »

Every team gets bad decisions- united got knocked out of cl last season with a joke sending off, chelsea got a blatently offside goal to decide the league last year, liverpool won the cl in 2005 with a debatable penalty, the list goes on.

If a ref is accused of bias by players and managers after every game, they won't do the job. How is webb supposed to decide if babel dived or if its a penalty after his outburst. I'd love to see video brought in

Where is there a pic of a ref in a shirt other than Man U? Now I don't know whether Webb is compromised or not, and I don't think his decisions today were all in favour of one side, but there is an old saying regarding smoke and fire.

In Italy Juventus were always alleged to have the ref in their pocket, and the familiar defences "you can't concede a penalty if you are in the opposition half for most of the game", "Of course we get more penalties, we are attacking more" and the like were trotted out.

We all know how that panned out, and ironically some of the greatest schadenfreude was exhibited by the group of fans here defending Webb.

This nice piece of satire appeared in timely fashion and illustrates nicely the commonly held belief among the public that some clubs are favoured by officialdom. Well, in this case, one in particular.

monkey9

Ah here, this Webb is corrupt nonsense is just....well, nonsense.

He's not corrupt. He's just sh!t.

adox

monkey9 wrote: »

Ah here, this Webb is corrupt nonsense is just....well, nonsense.

He's not corrupt. He's just sh!t.

At last something back in the realms of reality.

Revolution9

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Where is there a pic of a ref in a shirt other than Man U? Now I don't know whether Webb is compromised or not, and I don't think his decisions today were all in favour of one side, but there is an old saying regarding smoke and fire.

In Italy Juventus were always alleged to have the ref in their pocket, and the familiar defences "you can't concede a penalty if you are in the opposition half for most of the game", "Of course we get more penalties, we are attacking more" and the like were trotted out.

We all know how that panned out, and ironically some of the greatest schadenfreude was exhibited by the group of fans here defending Webb.

This nice piece of satire appeared in timely fashion and illustrates nicely the commonly held belief among the public that some clubs are favoured by officialdom. Well, in this case, one in particular.

That article was posted on the 31th of December for anyone thinking it was a reaction after todays game.

markesmith

The infrastructure of EPL football is set up so that big teams get the big decisions their way, especially at home.

A dog with a hammer up his *rse knows that

parker kent

tommyhaas wrote: »

Yes and Babel may have another view. He is entitled to tweet what he wants, and regardless of whether it's right or wrong, it's opinion and he is entitled to that

A professional footballer is not entitled to tweet what he wants (nor is anybody for that matter). Can you not see how a player at a major team tweeting a picture of referee in a photo shopped picture wearing the jersey of a major rival is wrong? Can you not see how that is bringing the game into disrepute?

Also on a general point, where were the Webb is biased towards United brigade when he has sent off United players or given decisions against them? A few high profile decisions hardly makes him biased. That people even have to spell out something as blatantly obvious as that is ridiculous. 50/50 calls happen in football. Throwing the rattle out of the pram when one goes against you is a little much.

PARKHEAD67

Mister men wrote: »

He's spot on. Webb is as corrupt as they come.

I hate man u but berbatovs legs were clipped.Peno. Gerrard was reckless.Stupid tackle.Had to go.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

markesmith wrote: »

The infrastructure of EPL football is set up so that big teams get the big decisions their way, especially at home.

A dog with a hammer up his *rse knows that

I honestly dont know if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you're serious, would yeh elaborate please?

Revolution9

parker kent wrote: »

A professional footballer is not entitled to tweet what he wants (nor is anybody for that matter). Can you not see how a player at a major team tweeting a picture of referee in a photo shopped picture wearing the jersey of a major rival is wrong? Can you not see how that is bringing the game into disrepute?

Howard Webb instructing Blackpool players to dive more often is more disruptive than Babel letting off some steam on his social network page.
Yet Babel will get the hefty fine, Webb will get to officiate all the high profile Premier League games.

Fair play to Babbel its about time a big deal was made out of webb's major bias towards united maybe all the publicity from this might make him think twice the next time is about to rule in favour of his beloved united.

LOL @ the people who think he is not completely biased, you dont see mock ups of any other refs in united jerseys or hear fans constantly pointing out the continued favoritism of other refs towards united so there is obviously cause for it

tommyhaas

parker kent wrote: »

A professional footballer is not entitled to tweet what he wants (nor is anybody for that matter). Can you not see how a player at a major team tweeting a picture of referee in a photo shopped picture wearing the jersey of a major rival is wrong? Can you not see how that is bringing the game into disrepute?

Also on a general point, where were the Webb is biased towards United brigade when he has sent off United players or given decisions against them? A few high profile decisions hardly makes him biased. That people even have to spell out something as blatantly obvious as that is ridiculous. 50/50 calls happen in football. Throwing the rattle out of the pram when one goes against you is a little much.

Firstly, I think Webb had a poor game, not that he's biased or corrupt. I do however think that refs can be intimedated at Old Trafford. Im not saying everything will go Utds way, just that they can have an advantage where there is a tight decision. This however largly applies to home teams everywhere

Wrt Babel and the picture, Im not holding Babel up as any kind of Martyr, just stating I admire that fact he had the balls to come out and be honest in his opinion. Yes maybe he took things too far with the picture, but his reaction to the decisions after the game is typical of many fans reactions, and I believe he deserves credit for being honest

I think the picture itself however was tounge in cheek. Babel dosent strike me as the smartest, so I dont believe it was his way of implying corruption with out stating it, meerly it was a picture he found funny which suited the topic

Bring the game int disrepute? Yea I can see there's a case to be made alright, however I dont believe there should be

v3ttel

monkey9 wrote: »

Ah here, this Webb is corrupt nonsense is just....well, nonsense.

He's not corrupt. He's just sh!t.

Penalty decision? Wrong.
Sending off? Correct.
Not giving a penalty when Evans was having his shirt pulled off him in the box? Wrong.

He's just sh!te.

argosy2006

Webb clearly had money on Man u , and on a sending off

eagle eye

It was very immature from Babel. He is a professional footballer and has to understand that he will get in trouble over something like this.

flahavaj

Analia Eager Show-off wrote: »

Fair play to Babbel its about time a big deal was made out of webb's major bias towards united maybe all the publicity from this might make him think twice the next time is about to rule in favour of his beloved united.

LOL @ the people who think he is not completely biased, you dont see mock ups of any other refs in united jerseys or hear fans constantly pointing out the continued favoritism of other refs towards united so there is obviously cause for it

So it must be true because everyone says it? Give me a break.

Mr.Nice Guy

Have to laugh at the Liverpool fan's outrage alleging that referees have favouritism towards United. Short memories or what?

Mark Clattenburg - Merseyside derby incident

Clattenburg came under heavy criticism following his controversial officiating of the local derby match between Everton and Liverpool on 20 October 2007. During the match, he made a number of questionable decisions. His first was the award of a debatable penalty and red card for an incident involving Tony Hibbert and Steven Gerrard. He appeared to have been influenced by Gerrard in his decision to send off Hibbert as he initially took the yellow card out to book the defender, but after an interaction, albeit brief, with Gerrard, Clattenburg changed his mind and sent off Hibbert. He later failed to send off Dirk Kuyt for a waist-high lunge at Phil Neville. And the final controversy arose when he declined Everton's appeals for a penalty in the third minute of added time, with the score at 1–2, when Jamie Carragher pulled down Everton's Joleon Lescott in the Liverpool six yard box. Following the match, he was suspended from officiating the following weekend's Premier League matches and has never been given an Everton game to referee since.

I think Webb is a great referee and did an admirable job in near impossible circumstances during the World Cup Final. Yes he got one big decision wrong in the United/Liverpool match - not awarding United a penalty for the foul on Evans - but the best team still won in the end.

Jazzy

who is dalglish junior ?

efb

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Have to laugh at the Liverpool fan's outrage alleging that referees have favouritism towards United. Short memories or what?



I think Webb is a great referee and did an admirable job in near impossible circumstances during the World Cup Final. Yes he got one big decision wrong in the United/Liverpool match - not awarding United a penalty for the foul on Evans - but the best team still won in the end.

He was awful in the World Cup Final. Outside the UK this is universally acknowledged. He only got the final because FIFA were costing up to the FA after the 'goal' incident.

I wouldn't regard him as a good ref. He's about as consistent as cheap soup.

jank

Jazzy wrote: »

who is dalglish junior ?

Some knob living off his dads name.

Jazzy

jank wrote: »

Some knob living off his dads name.

his actual son? whats he got to do with any of this? did he say something? havent been in the loop for the weekend

doc_17

Sure look at all the abuse ferguson has dished out to refs down the years and f*** all has ever happened to him. Couple of small fines and suspended sentences so I'd imagine if fair is fair Babel should only get a warning as it's his first offence.

But i fear we're all about to get another demo (as is one were needed after yesterday)....one rule for ferguson and another for the rest.

Mister men

doc_17 wrote: »

Sure look at all the abuse ferguson has dished out to refs down the years and f*** all has ever happened to him. Couple of small fines and suspended sentences so I'd imagine if fair is fair Babel should only get a warning as it's his first offence.

But i fear we're all about to get another demo (as is one were needed after yesterday)....one rule for ferguson and another for the rest.

This. The FA love using LFC as an example. Who can forget the famous 5 minute respect campaign after Mascherano's sending off for next to nothing at OT a few years back.

Mister men

The Muppet wrote: »

Theres no quote from Babel in that post . Will you quote where I said what you say I said, If not, Why are you making up things and accusing me of saying them?

I'm done playing games with you. The quote from yourself is there for everyone to see (post 23 this thread) if they check the original post. Like usual your denial when caught out is laughable.

niallo27

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Have to laugh at the Liverpool fan's outrage alleging that referees have favouritism towards United. Short memories or what?



I think Webb is a great referee and did an admirable job in near impossible circumstances during the World Cup Final. Yes he got one big decision wrong in the United/Liverpool match - not awarding United a penalty for the foul on Evans - but the best team still won in the end.

3 and a half years you had to go back for that one well done, lets see pen against arsenal a few weeks ago was the last one with howard webb

L'prof

I think Webb is one of the best referees in the Premiership, but unfortunately it just isn't good enough to be honest and I don't think it ever can be as, after all he is only human and has to make split second decisions without the benefit of being able to see the incident again in slow motion!

Mitch Connor

i think Webb can be an excellent official, but he has been poor over the last year by his own standards - I think last season was possibly his poorest season, despite getting the WC Final, which i believe he got based on the reputation (rightly) earned in previous seasons.

I still think he is a great ref for man-management and controlling of players - I really like the way he generally takes control of flashpoints and can seperate the players quickly and effectively.

Ush1

If it's any consolation the refs in England would be marginally better than those in Spain.