AZ Congresswoman assassination MK ultra mind control operation

Gordon

Mr Plough wrote: »

You should love this then studiorat....

I am not a psychiatrist, but there is something odd going on in this young man's mind. When I saw his mug shot something stood out for me immediately: he looks like two different people. His left and right sides are so dissimilar that they do not seem to belong to the same person. I worked with the mug shot photo in an editing program and came up with what Jared would look like if he were indeed more symmetrical and in essence what I ended up with were two complete persons - but two very different depictions of the same man.

Oh dear, someone that doesn't realise that rarely is a face perfectly symmetrical. Below is an example of someone else that has an uneven face. In fact, if you take a picture of your face straight on and pop it into this website, or manually use photoshop to create the same result, I imagine your face will be uneven too.

[raw image from here]


Don't believe everything you read on blogs, folks. Do your own research

fontanalis

Is this a new low? Three days after a tragedy and the nonsense starts flying, even crap about sacrificing a nine year old. Hang your heads in shame.

Torakx

I dont know those people and presume if they are gving themselves a mourning period it will not involve searching our conversations.When its not too soon i presume they will look or not at their own discretion as they will the tv.
Ofc everyone is appalled at what happened.Im suprised yourself is so sensitive, i presume you wont post here again after that comment to show the same respect we are shamed for not observing,because there is no such thing as too soon imo.You either open your mouth or keep it shup full stop.
But thats my logic and i expect others to do me the same favour.
It didnt stop the news papers did it? what about the news on tv? how long did they wait?
You should send them a letter of complaint.
Incase its not obvious im presumng you are taking a fast dive for the moral high ground to feel superior over us shameless troofers.
Just dont forget to add fox and cnn too.

Mr Plough

gizmo wrote: »

Sorry, my point was more why they decided to do it? I mean, we all have asymmetrical faces so what point was he trying to make?

As it happens, upon flicking down through some of the comments it seems that he doesn't really have one outside of some odd artistic perspective.

Apology accepted.
I think you are being silly, again. I think you know exactly the point "he" is trying to make, so you dont need me to explain it to you like you are a little child... again.

Stop trying to be a studio... rat, and cop on.

studiorat

ohh get her!!!
I love this new Mod

Mr Plough

I'm a rat trap, any you been caught.

Edit

Any retard will notice, the difference between the shooter and cowel are outstanding.

studiorat

What about asymmetrical arses?

Monty Burnz

Darlughda wrote: »

Nice easy assasination it seems by a mind controlled maniac, perhaps?

I fixed it for you.
Occam's razor has to apply here I think. Oh, and the assassination failed, unless it was one of the other 6 victims who were the target.

Monty Burnz

Mr Plough wrote: »

You should love this then studiorat....





http://myrunawaybrain.blogspot.com/2011/01/two-faces-of-jared-lee-loughner.html

Most people display facial assymetry. That's common knowledge. Interestingly, in some scientific research I saw, people found people with the most symmetrical faces the most attractive.

PS - that's a photo of a guy who's just after killing a bunch of people, including a girl of 9. He's grinning like a moron. My thoughts: the unfortunate man is nuts. Crazy people and guns do not go well together. This conspiracy doesn't have legs, as far as I'm concerned.

alastair

Deluded dupe with issues buys into CT nonsense and acts out violently. A tragedy for all, only made worse by yet another wave of CT nonsense on the back of said tragedy. The great circle of bolloxology rolls on.

david dare

Erad = Jerad without the J

after soaking all this info in, processing it, my belief is he is not mk mind controlled, just a madman trying to make a statement.

I think his thought process goes way deep, like a multilayered inside joke that he understands. My opinion is that his expression about coins and currency means change, like change in your pocket. He wanted to make statement about changing the government. He got our attention the only way he knew how, and believe he fully comprehends the ramifications of his actions. He wanted to be a murderous celebrity martyr, but he will go down as a sinister fool who outsmarted his own self. If he doesn't get death penalty chances are good IMO that he won't survive prison.

Yitzhak Rabin

Cool the jets folks. Less of the 'CT'ers are deluded' and less of the 'skeptics are brainwashed/closeminded'

Infractions and/or bans from now on.

gizmo

Mr Plough wrote: »

Apology accepted.
I think you are being silly, again. I think you know exactly the point "he" is trying to make, so you dont need me to explain it to you like you are a little child... again.

Stop trying to be a studio... rat, and cop on.

Actually the author of the piece states clearly in the comments section that they're not really trying to make a point outside of an artistic one so yea, charming reply, thanks. :rolleyes:

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

Deluded dupe with issues buys into CT nonsense and acts out violently. A tragedy for all, only made worse by yet another wave of CT nonsense on the back of said tragedy. The great circle of bolloxology rolls on.

If nothing or nobody is forcing alastair to log onto the CT forum and open this specific thread alastair is here of his own free will. Nothing or nobody is forcing alastair to log onto the CT forum and open this specific thread. Therefore, alastair is here of his own free will.

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

If nothing or nobody is forcing alastair to log onto the CT forum and open this specific thread alastair is here of his own free will. Nothing or nobody is forcing alastair to log onto the CT forum and open this specific thread. Therefore, alastair is here of his own free will.

Sherlock-like deduction there BB - is the bleeding obvious your speciality? Did you notice me perpetuating the sort of conspiracy obsession that informed this poor sap's actions?

Torakx

You know theres a saying i read in a book about N.L.P
It was something along the lines of "Every person makes the best choices they can given the abilities and resources available to them at any given time"
This guy wether brainwashed or just unstable mentally made the best choices he could given the resources he had at that time.
So i feel it unfair to label him a loon,sap,nutter etc.We are all neurotic in many ways each and every one of us and there is valid reasons he did what he did, its just not good the choices he made.so i dont hate and think people should remember this when speaking about these incidents.
He is a person too and i feel sad for his issues.That could have been any of us in another life.
No major point to that post, but i felt i should say that anyway.

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

Sherlock-like deduction there BB - is the bleeding obvious your speciality? Did you notice me perpetuating the sort of conspiracy obsession that informed this poor sap's actions?

Give it a rest. You couldn't be more transparent. So many public people have come out of the woodwork to associate Loughner with what they hate the most - you hate conpiracy theorists the most so you are here to associate Loughner the teabagger/Nazi/Communist/anti-immigration/Jewish/homosexual/Liberal/Republican/Anarchist/Libertarian/Left-wing/right-wing/atheist/conpsiracy theorist/nihilist/anti-semite.

I've read all Erad3's posts and anything else I can find supposedly by him online and he seems a very troubled and disturbed young man. I actually have some sympathy for him in this, at least as far as the information I have gathered so far.

You think he became a mass-murderer because he was sceptical about the moon landings and he had some unusual obsession with grammar and creating his own currency? :rolleyes:

One of the biggest loads of shyte i've heard in a while tbh

There were people on abovetopsecret.com that treated Loughner exactly the way imo the way onbnoxious, arrogant types have dismissed and insulted the more out there and mysterious posters here.

Brown Bomber

david dare wrote: »

Erad = Jerad without the J

after soaking all this info in, processing it, my belief is he is not mk mind controlled, just a madman trying to make a statement.

I think his thought process goes way deep, like a multilayered inside joke that he understands. My opinion is that his expression about coins and currency means change, like change in your pocket. He wanted to make statement about changing the government. He got our attention the only way he knew how, and believe he fully comprehends the ramifications of his actions. He wanted to be a murderous celebrity martyr, but he will go down as a sinister fool who outsmarted his own self. If he doesn't get death penalty chances are good IMO that he won't survive prison.

That's somewhat the impression I got; less anti-government and more anti-corrupt-government but he seemed crippled with paranaioa and other cognitive and communication problems so escaped into his dreams. Failed it seems by the courts and his family.

david dare

I'm not about to sympathize for this guy. However, there is a likely possibility that he is personality disordered. I've dealt with people with personality disorders. I had a GF who I believe has one, and she nearly drove me crazy, too. People like that usually have dark traumatic childhoods and grow up with a lack of sense of self that causes major cognitive deficiency. They blame all their problems on everyone else, have extreme black/white,all good/all bad perceptions with no middle ground, while they sabotage their own life, and yes, I agree with him escaping into his own dream world.

joebucks

Mind control experiments in Tucson, Az in 1970s..The Dr Green mentioned in this clip has been mentioned in many other testimonies of former MK Ultra subjects..It has been suggested that Dr Green is none other than Dr Josef Mengel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XemGwhp6LM

http://www.whale.to/b/wolf3.html

gizmo

joebucks wrote: »

Mind control experiments in Tucson, Az in 1970s..The Dr Green mentioned in this clip has been mentioned in many other testimonies of former MK Ultra subjects..It has been suggested that Dr Green is none other than Dr Josef Mengel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XemGwhp6LM

http://www.whale.to/b/wolf3.html

But for that to be relevant the work would have had to continue into the late 80s and early 90s since Loughner wasn't born until '88.

Torakx

I think the point is if they can do it once they can do it again.
Doesnt have to be the same department or doctors.Can be anyone from any group, government or otherwise.
Since the US gov have a track record of experimenting on its own citizens and government officials alot of people here might presume it was possible a government agency was involved here too.
And i think its understandable to consider this.

joebucks

gizmo wrote: »

But for that to be relevant the work would have had to continue into the late 80s and early 90s since Loughner wasn't born until '88.

It does show that there is a track record of such things happening though. It does not prove or disprove anything. It is interesting though, particularly in relation to this case and the apparent behavioral change that Loughner underwent in recent years. Take this interview with his ex-girlfriend

Kelsey Hawkes, an ex-girlfriend of suspected Arizona shooter Jared Lee Loughner, spoke out this morning on CBS's Early Show, saying the man the world has come to know since the massacre is very different from the one she dated nearly six years ago.

"Back then he was completely different of a person, very caring, very gentle, very sweet, kind, a little quiet, but altogether pretty great guy," Hawkes told host Erica Hill.

Asked if she ever saw anything in Loughner that hinted he was capable of such violence, Hawkes replied, "Absolutely not."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/jared-loughners-kelsey-hawkes_n_808502.html

There is a multitude of things that may have affected Loughner, however unlikely the idea of him being effected by psychological testing akin to MK Ultra should not be ruled out though IMO.

gizmo

joebucks wrote: »

It does show that there is a track record of such things happening though. It does not prove or disprove anything. It is interesting though, particularly in relation to this case and the apparent behavioral change that Loughner underwent in recent years. Take this interview with his ex-girlfriend



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/jared-loughners-kelsey-hawkes_n_808502.html

There is a multitude of things that may have affected Loughner, however unlikely the idea of him being effected by psychological testing akin to MK Ultra should not be ruled out though IMO.

But he was 22 years of age, of course he would have undergone large changes in that span of time.

Torakx

I went through a large change at age 30 too.Doesnt mean much as everyone does.
But i am still the same peacefull person i always was so i didnt change much there at all despite the massive changes.

gizmo

Torakx wrote: »

I went through a large change at age 30 too.Doesnt mean much as everyone does.
But i am still the same peacefull person i always was so i didnt change much there at all despite the massive changes.

And I'm assuming you went through that change in the same peaceful surroundings with no sign of mental distress or illness. Given Loughner's behaviour and the testimony of those around him during the course of those years, it seems the latter was not true in his case. Note I'm specifically referring to classmates who would have known him during those years, not those who knew him a few years ago and are shocked at what he became.

Oh the subject of possible brain washing / MK-ULTRA use however, what would anyone have had to gain by Gabrielle Giffords assassination? Also, isn't the entire point of those projects to turn them into sleeper assassins? Surely Loughner's behaviour irl and on the various websites he visited runs contrary to the aims of said program?

Torakx

What did he go through in those six years?

His behaviour on those websites would make many think he was disturbed in the run up to the incident.
Of course he probably was, but so far i couldnt say what caused the disturbance.
It certainly doesnt sound like any run of the mill life considering the outcome six years later.
Funny his girlfriend didnt mention anything relating to his behaviour six years ago accept he was relatively normal.
Like babbling in backwards type speech, it makes me wonder did he always talk like that.

Brown Bomber

Centre of Consciousness Studies, University of Arizona, Tucson.
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/mission.htm

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Centre of Consciousness Studies, University of Arizona, Tucson.
http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/mission.htm

Which was based in the University he was attending, any info on whether he was attending their lectures I wonder?

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

Which was based in the University he was attending, any info on whether he was attending their lectures I wonder?

No idea but I'd love to know if he attended this in particular.

Monday, April 12, 2010
9 am to 1 pm, Tucson Convention Center (TCC)
Pre-Conference Workshop Session 1
1. Selective Attention, Christof Koch

2. Lucid Dreaming, Stephen LaBerge

La Berge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_LaBerge

Torakx

Thats pretty interesting.
I at one stage was attempting astral travel/lucid dreaming but failed miserably.
After alot more research i started coming across rumours of it being linked with schizophrenia or D.I.D cant remember which.
Also it can cause sleep paralyses so i decided to stop there before that happened lol
Schizophrenia is known to be linked to the persons creativity and imagination,something also associated with lucid dreaming.
Which would be located i think in the right side of the brain which is why i was talking about the left side of his face.
But that was mostly guestimates as alot of that stuff is only now being researched and not many studies out yet on schizophrenia and the creative part of the brain.
Im sure i read at least one relating to that though.
Possibly somewhere in here http://www.carlzimmer.com/articles/

Anyway i wouldnt be suprised if Loughner was attending as it sounds like the type of stuff he was into.

Brown Bomber

Torakx wrote: »

Schizophrenia is known to be linked to the persons creativity and imagination,something also associated with lucid dreaming.
Which would be located i think in the right side of the brain which is why i was talking about the left side of his face.
But that was mostly guestimates as alot of that stuff is only now being researched and not many studies out yet on schizophrenia and the creative part of the brain.

This is from the European Science Foundation 2009.
http://www.esf.org/activities/exploratory-workshops/news/ext-news-singleview.html?tx_ttnews

He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with "lucid dreaming"—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became "more interested in this world than our reality." Tierney adds, "I saw his dream journal once. That's the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner's mind, there's a dream journal that will tell you everything."
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message

Lucid dreaming – when you are aware you are dreaming – is a hybrid state between sleeping and being awake. It creates distinct patterns of electrical activity in the brain that have similarities to the patterns made by psychotic conditions such as schizophrenia.
(...)
New data affirms the connection by showing that while dreaming lucidly the brain is in a dissociated state, according to Ursula Voss from the University of Frankfurt in Germany. Dissociation involves losing conscious control over mental processes, such as logical thinking or emotional reaction. In some psychiatric conditions this state is also known to occur while people are awake.

Brown Bomber

Opinion (George Freund): TWO JARED LEE LOUGHNERS? NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT!

Call me strange, but the guy in custody has brown eyes. The guy from facebook has baby blues. The guy at the book review is squinting, but his left ear is clearly visible. The guy with the brown eyes in custody has a long ridge in the ear lobe. The guy at the book fare does not. He has a bulbous formation at the top of the ear lobe. The book fare man has an elongated arch across the fore head. The man in custody does not. The pock marks on the face of the man in custody do not appear on the lower photos. They are similar, but they are not the same man. There are two Jared Lee Loughners.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14tww8SmqzLR2ub8tX5c2qc6HFt4KbRxfJzSrrwipqMY/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNqTzMAF&pli=1#

Brown Bomber

With the England U-21's

gizmo

But the guy in the first picture does have blue eyes, where the hell is he getting brown from? :pac:

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

But the guy in the first picture does have blue eyes, where the hell is he getting brown from? :pac:

I'm sure I'm going to make myself sound stupid here by not understanding some basic scientific element but they look like two differnent colours to me.

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'm sure I'm going to make myself sound stupid here by not understanding some basic scientific element but they look like two differnent colours to me.

Oh they'll look slightly different alright given the lighting conditions, hell look at the "difference" in his skin colour between both pictures. That guy quoted however is saying the colour of his eyes are brown in the first picture, which they aren't in any way.

The Recliner

Brown Bomber wrote: »

With the England U-21's

That is John Jo Shelvey a young Liverpool player but I am sure you knew that

joebucks

Loughner pleads not guilty.

gizmo

joebucks wrote: »

Loughner pleads not guilty.

Assuming it's going to be by insanity. Pretty much saw that one coming a mile away.

joebucks

gizmo wrote: »

Assuming it's going to be by insanity. Pretty much saw that one coming a mile away.

Fair play geez.

gizmo

joebucks wrote: »

Fair play geez.

If I said instead of would I still have gotten the sarcastic reply?

My point was, if the sole defence is going to be insanity then much of the evidence and/or background info on his motives may possibly be whitewashed. The fact that it is insanity however, is of little surprise, especially given the defence lawyers history of negotiating plea deals.

joebucks

gizmo wrote: »

If I said instead of would I still have gotten the sarcastic reply?

No.

My point was, if the sole defence is going to be insanity then much of the evidence and/or background info on his motives may possibly be whitewashed. The fact that it is insanity however, is of little surprise, especially given the defence lawyers history of negotiating plea deals.

The thing is Gizmo, if I was asked to give a verdict on what I have seen about this case I would concur with your view.
However given Loughners own interest in mind control and similarities between this case and other possible MK Ultra participants such as the Unabomber, that I feel it is a topic worthy of discussion on this forum. Some people may find that is in bad taste however it is a topic that is covered on many other CT sites I have visited, so I don't see the problem people have with the different elements of the case being discussed here, regardless of how obscure they may seem.

gizmo

joebucks wrote: »

The thing is Gizmo, if I was asked to give a verdict on what I have seen about this case I would concur with your view.
However given Loughners own interest in mind control and similarities between this case and other possible MK Ultra participants such as the Unabomber, that I feel it is a topic worthy of discussion on this forum. Some people may find that is in bad taste however it is a topic that is covered on many other CT sites I have visited, so I don't see the problem people have with the different elements of the case being discussed here, regardless of how obscure they may seem.

As do I, which is why I'm concerned regarding the insanity plea which I believe will lead to all other evidence being discounted. That may include his involvement in the Centre of Consciousness Studies as BB pointed out earlier and where exactly he got the inspiration for his youtube videos etc...

To be clear, I don't doubt for a second he was mentally disturbed, I don't particularly think he was involved in any MK-ULTRA activity but I would like to know what set him off. The insanity plea, in my opinion, will probably not deal with these subjects in an in-depth manner which is why I've said the above.

petebricquette

joebucks wrote: »

No.




The thing is Gizmo, if I was asked to give a verdict on what I have seen about this case I would concur with your view.
However given Loughners own interest in mind control and similarities between this case and other possible MK Ultra participants such as the Unabomber, that I feel it is a topic worthy of discussion on this forum. Some people may find that is in bad taste however it is a topic that is covered on many other CT sites I have visited, so I don't see the problem people have with the different elements of the case being discussed here, regardless of how obscure they may seem.

Right, maybe it's the fact that Loughner and the 'other possible MK Ultra participants' involved in atrocities such as this could all have similar types of mental problems leading them to become bombers/school shooters? My view on this is that it's just a madman who read up a bit on conspiracy theories before posting rambling videos to YouTube. But I will concede that it's absolutely vital to look into everything before accepting the general consensus.

joebucks

petebricquette wrote: »

Right, maybe it's the fact that Loughner and the 'other possible MK Ultra participants' involved in atrocities such as this could all have similar types of mental problems leading them to become bombers/school shooters? My view on this is that it's just a madman who read up a bit on conspiracy theories before posting rambling videos to YouTube. But I will concede that it's absolutely vital to look into everything before accepting the general consensus.

Well the question I would ask regarding this is, what is the cause of these mental problems? It is reported that Kaczynski underwent MKUltra type experimentation aged 17. Is it the result of undergoing such testing that influenced his behaviour later in his life? What are the long term effects on other subjects of this type of experimentation?
Did Loughner undergo similar experimentation? Is there a history of schizophrenia in Loughner's family?

gizmo

I found this bit of info extremely interesting. Evidence like that should hopefully ensure they can't use insanity as a scapegoat given that he seemed fully aware of the consequences of his actions.

Brown Bomber

Gag Order Sought for Tucson Shooting Victims' Autopsies


Published March 01, 2011
| Associated Press



AP
Jan. 24: In this artist rendering, Jared Lee Loughner, right, makes a court appearance with his lawyer, Judy Clarke, at the Sandra Day O'Connor United States Courthouse in Phoenix, Ariz.



PHOENIX -- Federal prosecutors are seeking to bar the release of the autopsy results for six people killed in a Tucson rampage targeting U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.


Court records show the request to U.S. District Judge Larry Burns for the gag order was filed Monday by prosecutors who say the families of five of the victims objected to the release of the reports.
The prosecutors also are seeking to prevent Pima County's deputy chief medical examiner, Dr. Eric Peters, and his staff from talking to the media about the case.


Jared Loughner is accused of shooting Giffords and 18 others.
Killed in the January shootings were 9-year-old Christina-Taylor Greene, federal Judge John M. Roll and Giffords aide Gabriel Zimmerman. The other three were bystanders Dorothy Jean Morris, Phyllis Schneck and Dorwan Stoddard.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/01/gag-order-sought-tucson-shooting-victims-autopsies/#ixzz1FONb0Rwp

CiaranMT

Arizona gunman unfit for trial


Shooting suspect Jared Loughner is not mentally competent to stand trial on charges he killed six people and wounded US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in January, a federal judge ruled today.

US District Judge Larry Burns found Mr Loughner (22), described by his lawyers as "gravely mentally ill," was incapable of understanding the proceedings against him and assisting in his own defense.

The decision came shortly after Mr Loughner was hustled out of the courtroom for an outburst that disrupted the hearing. He spent five weeks undergoing psychiatric evaluations at a federal prison hospital in Missouri.

Mr Loughner, a college dropout who investigators say has a history of mental problems, is accused of opening fire on Ms Giffords and a crowd of bystanders attending a "Congress on Your Corner" event outside a grocery story.


irishtimes.com

Talk E

So, they went for the "gravely mentally ill," option, instead of killing him. Interesting.