Ulster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

bilston

thomond2006 wrote: »

Bad news, according to the man himself Paddy McAllister is out for the season with torn knee ligaments. I assume he did them at the Bayonne match.

https://twitter.com/paddymcallister/

Crap timing, I was hoping he would challenge Court for the LH shirt. Who will step up as backup now?

Well that's put a dampner on the night

CIARAN_BOYLE

thomond2006 wrote: »

Bad news, according to the man himself Paddy McAllister is out for the season with torn knee ligaments. I assume he did them at the Bayonne match.

https://twitter.com/paddymcallister/

Crap timing, I was hoping he would challenge Court for the LH shirt. Who will step up as backup now?

Callum Black is an able LH and will step up to back up Court. I'm not sure who will end up on the bench when Court is involved internationally, Carey?

Poor Paddy, he could well have been capped in the next year if fit for Ulster.

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

Bad news, according to the man himself Paddy McAllister is out for the season with torn knee ligaments. I assume he did them at the Bayonne match.

https://twitter.com/paddymcallister/

Crap timing, I was hoping he would challenge Court for the LH shirt. Who will step up as backup now?

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Podge_irl

Terrible news for Paddy McAllister, looked good the few times I saw him. Ran into his dad in London before the final - surprisingly slight man!

Is it just me or are more young players out injured these days?

Cpt_Blackbeard

He's had some horrible luck with injury. Hopefully he'll recover and turn out more Cian Healy than Darragh Hurley.

the_doctor199

Terrible news re Paddy.

In other news, kit is out Friday if anyone is interested. Presumably on sale at the Leicester game too.

jacothelad

Ulster might seek permission from the IRFU to sign an emergency loose head on a season basis. With Court likely to be away with Ireland, Paddy out for the year and Black the only real option we could be in trouble. At least we won't see Brady at 1 this season.

jacothelad

jacothelad wrote: »

Ulster might seek permission from the IRFU to sign an emergency loose head on a season basis. With Court likely to be away with Ireland, Paddy out for the year and Black the only real option we could be in trouble. At least we won't see Brady at 1 this season.

Never even thought about this. Who could they get?

Marcus for a swansong? :pac:

CIARAN_BOYLE

jacothelad wrote: »

Ulster might seek permission from the IRFU to sign an emergency loose head on a season basis. With Court likely to be away with Ireland, Paddy out for the year and Black the only real option we could be in trouble. At least we won't see Brady at 1 this season.

I'm thinking that we might see Afoa shifting to LH for some games. He can play on both sides of the scrum (hooker too supposedly).

I don't know much about Lutton in terms of how good is he but he came on at LH against Bayonne.

totallegend

jacothelad wrote: »

Ulster might seek permission from the IRFU to sign an emergency loose head on a season basis. With Court likely to be away with Ireland, Paddy out for the year and Black the only real option we could be in trouble. At least we won't see Brady at 1 this season.

Do you mean an NIQ loose-head? Wow, can't see that happening.

jacothelad

Deleted User wrote: »

Never even thought about this. Who could they get?

Marcus for a swansong? :pac:

We aren't that desperate yet. Ethel the Tea Lady is still here.

I'm sure that if we were allowed (doubtful though that prospect is) we could scare up a Saffer or two to fill the gap. Last year, our lack of props cost us a place in the play-offs. It will be interesting to see if Ricky Lutton from the AIL makes any head way. Black isn't great to be honest - he hasn't shown any reason to be overly optimistic - he said diplomatically. Still, he isn't the NOC of the prop world. Without Court and McAllister we are fecked - again. Afoa can play loosehead I think but why would you do that unless a miracle occurs and young Macklin suddenly becomes adequate?

backawaygo onahead

A wee smidgeon harsh on Black & Macklin Jaco but I certainly know what you mean, not what you would want to be starting a HC game, dreadful news.

I don't agree with those who thought PaddyMac was about to replace TC but it was a season where he would hopefully have made a step further in his development.

Good luck to him, a liitle birdie told me it is a potential career wrecker, hope not.

backawaygo onahead

Oh yeah, as for Marcus, a great servant to Munster & Ireland but his game seems to be limited to playing the old soldier & a variety of pulls, blocks, trips and sundry foul measures that indicate his usefulness is sadly long gone & he is now officially simply a messer.

jacothelad

backawaygo onahead wrote: »

A wee smidgeon harsh on Black & Macklin Jaco but I certainly know what you mean, not what you would want to be starting a HC game, dreadful news.

I don't agree with those who thought PaddyMac was about to replace TC but it was a season where he would hopefully have made a step further in his development.

Good luck to him, a liitle birdie told me it is a potential career wrecker, hope not.

A prop with dodgy knees isn't a good sign. Let's hope Paddy makes a full recovery.
I was trying to be positive about Black but couldn't go all out. Maybe he will come good. He isn't really bad but he isn't really good either. As for Macklin, he is still very young and because of the cretinous way junior rugby is governed, guys like him have hardly scrummaged until they get to pro level.

irishbucsfan

Podge_irl wrote: »

Is it just me or are more young players out injured these days?

They are, but they're being protected pretty well in terms of game time etc. Players are getting bigger though and bodies are being put under more and more pressure. Really hope it doesn't become a major problem for the sport.


Horrible luck for Paddy, but I don't think it is being treated as career threatening, More it's the type of injury that could go on to become so if he doesnn't deal with it maturely and listen to the advice he gets, which I'm sure he will.


It would be great if we were a bit more Marxist in our player management and could send Jack McGrath on loan to Ulster for the season. He's good enough to start a top Rabo game and (in my opinion) cover from the bench in the Heineken Cup at least. Leinster will have VDM, Healy, Bent as well as O'Connell and Tracy in the later stages of the academy so they could spare him.

CIARAN_BOYLE

jacothelad wrote: »

A prop with dodgy knees isn't a good sign. Let's hope Paddy makes a full recovery.
I was trying to be positive about Black but couldn't go all out. Maybe he will come good. He isn't really bad but he isn't really good either. As for Macklin, he is still very young and because of the cretinous way junior rugby is governed, guys like him have hardly scrummaged until they get to pro level.

The word I'd use for Black is solid. He is not going to really let the side down but he isn't going to steal headlines.

Biggest worry is that he is fairly injury prone himself he was injured a few times last season.

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It would be great if we were a bit more Marxist in our player management and could send Jack McGrath on loan to Ulster for the season. He's good enough to start a top Rabo game and (in my opinion) cover from the bench in the Heineken Cup at least. Leinster will have VDM, Healy, Bent as well as O'Connell and Tracy in the later stages of the academy so they could spare him.

Bent is primarily a TH, that said you are right a loan move could make sense. McGrath may be able to get ahead of Black and if he does he could get the experience needed to come back to Leinster next season and seamlessly take over from VDM (who is in his last year at Leinster) as the back up LH

thomond2006

You can have Horan, just give us Ferris when he's fit.

bilston

thomond2006 wrote: »

You can have Horan, just give us Ferris when he's fit.

Just Ferris, feck we'd have given you Tommy and Ruan as well for Marcus...

bilston

Alleged starting XV for Leicester on Saturday.

15 Jared Payne
14 Michael Allen
13 Chris Farrell
12 Luke Marshall
11 Craig Gilroy
10 Niall O'Connor
9 Michael Heaney
1 Callum Black
2 Nigel Brady
3 Declan Fitzpatrick
4 Johann Muller
5 Lewis Stevenson
6 Robbie Diack
7 Ali Birch
8 Nick Williams

.ak

Great to see Luke Marshall's name on the team sheet...

bilston

.ak wrote: »

Great to see Luke Marshall's name on the team sheet...

With Whitten gone he should definitely get more chances. It's a talented centre combo actually. Although I still think Farrell will be more effective at 12 than 13.

I am pie

.ak wrote: »

Great to see Luke Marshall's name on the team sheet...

...and Payne !

Beery Eyed

bilston wrote: »

Alleged starting XV for Leicester on Saturday.

15 Jared Payne
14 Michael Allen
13 Chris Farrell
12 Luke Marshall
11 Craig Gilroy
10 Niall O'Connor
9 Michael Heaney
1 Callum Black
2 Nigel Brady
3 Declan Fitzpatrick
4 Johann Muller
5 Lewis Stevenson
6 Robbie Diack
7 Ali Birch
8 Nick Williams

Aside from O'Connor that's an exciting backline. Payne, Farrell & Marshall in particular, but also interesting to see how Heaney & Allen get on. It's not going to be televised but hopefully some highlights might be available on the website

profitius

The Marshall and Farrell center partnership is one worth watching although it should be noted that Farrell is still very young.

leonard7

any idea on the bench?

CIARAN_BOYLE

bilston wrote: »

Alleged starting XV for Leicester on Saturday.

3 Declan Fitzpatrick

I don't believe it. Surely he would be subject to post international stand down like everyone else

shuffol

Thats the team alright.

Ulster: J Payne; C Gilroy, C Farrell, L Marshall, M Allen; N O’Connor, M Heaney; C Black, N Brady, D Fitzpatrick; J Muller (capt), L Stevenson; R Diack, A Birch, N Williams.
Replacements: R Lutton, R Herring, N Annett, J Afoa, A Macklin, N McComb, M McComish, S Doyle, B McIlroy, P Jackson, C Cochrane, S Olding, R Andrews, P Nelson.

bilston

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't believe it. Surely he would be subject to post international stand down like everyone else

I wondered about that myself. Maybe Deccie just wants him to get as many games as possible at TH as it looks like he will be both Ireland and Ulster's second choice and even if that means playing friendlies so be it.

irishbucsfan

bilston wrote: »

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I don't believe it. Surely he would be subject to post international stand down like everyone else

I wondered about that myself. Maybe Deccie just wants him to get as many games as possible at TH as it looks like he will be both Ireland and Ulster's second choice and even if that means playing friendlies so be it.

Fitzpatrick had his stand down last season. He is all set to go for the year I'd imagine. He's not going to be on the Lions so he'll be aiming through the season.

the_doctor199

New kit available to buy here: http://www.ulsterrugbyshop.com/

Home: £70(!)
Away: £55

Paul4As

the_doctor199 wrote: »

New kit available to buy here: http://www.ulsterrugbyshop.com/

Home: £70(!)
Away: £55

Surely both tops should be the same price...or may be £5 a difference like Leinster.

I know Ulster are trying to push on from their success last season...but this is a rip-off at £70. Bit of an error by their marketing department.

If someone buys the home shirt knowing the away top is £15 cheaper they must have more money than sense.

Paul4As

Paul4As wrote: »

Surely both tops should be the same price...or may be £5 a difference like Leinster.

I know Ulster are trying to push on from their success last season...but this is a rip-off at £70. Bit of an error by their marketing department.

If someone buys the home shirt knowing the away top is £15 cheaper they must have more money than sense.

Bit of confusion...the cotton home jersey is £55 for adults!

http://www.ssmsports.co.uk/Adult-Replica/

Ignore my whinge!:)

CIARAN_BOYLE

Ulster 7-0 up HT against Leicster

Penalty try from the scrum

Here is the Tigers team
Tigers team: Murphy, Hamilton, Tuilagi, Allen, Goneva, Flood, Young; Castrogiovanni, T Youngs, Cole, Mafi, Parling, B Deacon, Salvi, Waldrom

thomond2006

That's a very strong Tigers side.

CIARAN_BOYLE

20 minutes left still 7-0

EDIT Goneva try 7-7 8 minutes left

EDIT FT 14-14 tries from Waldrom and Cochrane

leonard7

anyone at the game to give a bit of a review re: the young players...the ulster website posted this

Anscombe fielded a youthful side for the first home friendly of the season, while still finding places for several more established names, notably the rehabilitated Jared Payne at full-back, the returning Niall O'Connor at out-half, and new recruit Nick Williams at Number Eight.

Early Leicester pressure straight from the off came to an abrupt end on four minutes thanks to a smart Michael Allen interception well inside the Ulster '22', and the same player profited from good turnover ball moments later to cut an impressive swathe down the left wing. Slick passing then saw the Ulster forwards edge to within an inch of the line, but poor judgement from a resulting scrum surrendered possession on 11 minutes.

Tigers then seized back the initiative and looked moderately threatening until a stray foot in touch put Ulster back in control. Their possession paid off on 24 minutes as, with John Afoa having just entered the fray for Declan Fitzpatrick, strong scrummaging won the hosts the penalty try in the corner. O'Connor eased into his second spell at Ravenhill with a simple conversion to make it Ulster 7 Leicester 0.

Ulster continued to dictate play as the half progressed, with many of the younger players looking especially sharp, and Leicester were the happier of the two sides to see the arrival of the half-time break.

Half-time Score Ulster 7 Leceister 0

With Ricky Lutton, Mike McComish, Neil McComb, Sean Doyle and Paddy Jackson all drafted in at the break, Ulster maintained their strong momentum in the opening minutes of the second period, although Leicester began to show their collective nous on 50 minutes and were only contained by assiduous Ulster tackling.

Tigers launched onslaught after onslaught as the hour mark passed, but still Ulster kept them at bay, until the visitors' class finally shone through on 65 minutes with a neat sidestep carrying Fijian speedster Veroniki Goneva over on the left wing for their first score, duly converted to level the game at seven points apiece.

Ulster did their best to strike straight back from the restart, but were undone by an overcooked short pass which gifted possession back to the visitors. A well-executed 5-metre lineout allowed Number Eight Thomas Waldrom to pick up and stretch over the line with five minutes remaining, and George Ford's second conversion extended the lead to Ulster 7 Leicester 14.

With three minutes left to play, and Ulster's time fast running out, Chris Cochrane raised the biggest cheer of the day by bursting through on the '22', wrongfooting the last man and sliding in between the posts for a blistering solo try.

The Jackson conversion restored parity with a minute left, and there was just enough time for Peter Nelson to make a scintillating late dash down the right wing, before being clipped into touch just metres from the line by a despairing Leicester lunge.

The match finished, then, with honours even, but proved an exceptionally positive runout for the entire squad, with Newcastle Falcons now next up in Friday's final friendly, before the RaboDirect Pro 12 kicks off in earnest against Glasgow Warriors on Friday 31 August.

Full-Time Score Ulster 14 Leicester 14

sixy

Was quite a good game for a friendly, was nice to be at Ravenhill when the sun was shining for a change!

Most impressed by the Ulster scrum in the first half against a strong tigers pack which culminated in a penalty try. Fitzpatrick is a brilliant tight head in the scrum but its a pity he seems so injury prone.

All the young guns did alright. Payne had a few nice grubbers and looks to have a bit of class. Chris farrel looks one for the future, he looked alright against some big players in their midfield.

All in all a pretty useful run out

shuffol

Good to hear that Farrell can acquit himself well against a strong midfield and at 13 too. Hopefully he gets some gametime this season although it could be hard to come by what with Wallace, Cave, Spence and Marshall all there and none of them likely to be in Irish matchday squads.

dtpc191991

A farrell Marshall partnership. Could be a the future at the highest level of Irish rugby in 3-4 years.

jacothelad

Highlights.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/19308408

.ak

jacothelad wrote: »

Highlights.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/19308408

Took me a second to realize that it wasn't the Wasps vs Leicester...

irishbucsfan

THat last try was excellent. Nice to see Farrell and Cochrane looking good.

.ak

I had to replay it to catch Farrell's offload. Sublime and great dummy run.

Super try from Cochrane. The pass to him from Farrell was excellent, and he set the defender and stepped brilliantly too.

Nelson's break good too, could've done with some support!

jacothelad

Deleted User wrote: »

Super try from Cochrane. The pass to him from Farrell was excellent, and he set the defender and stepped brilliantly too.

Nelson's break good too, could've done with some support!

Nelson is seriously quick as you can see. Up to a few months ago, Ferris held the record for the fastest over the first 10 metres. Nelson beat it. I also think the defender tackled him high - could have been a penalty but the young guys played very well. Leicester also were very ring rusty and could have scored a few more tries with their usual clinical approach.

SaulGoodman wrote: »

"Tyrone Howe" did you get on the lions?

By being a very good winger....and someone else getting injured.

Beery Eyed

Some great signs by the young backs there. Farrell is a very exciting prospect, along with a few others this year.

It's a pity though, I thought it was Fitzpatrick that had won the penalty try when I head it first, but it was Afoa who had just come on. Still, it's good to see Callum Black involved on the loosehead side in that dominant scrum. He'll be important now, even more so with McAllister out for the year.

backawaygo onahead

Just back from Spain so wasn't at the game but my sources tell be Callum Black gave Castrogiovanni as much as he could handle. He didn't see much time last season as 3rd choice but yin boys misfortune is anor bey's appartunity so they say (well in certain parts of Ulster;)) and I like the cut of the wee man's jib or gub as we know it.

Looking forward to seeing what sort of team we are fielding fernenced they Geordie beys on Friday. I'm assuming it will be pretty close to the starting team versus Weegies the follyin' week.

CIARAN_BOYLE

backawaygo onahead wrote: »

Just back from Spain so wasn't at the game but my sources tell be Callum Black gave Castrogiovanni as much as he could handle. He didn't see much time last season as 3rd choice but yin boys misfortune is anor bey's appartunity so they say (well in certain parts of Ulster;)) and I like the cut of the wee man's jib or gub as we know it.

Looking forward to seeing what sort of team we are fielding fernenced they Geordie beys on Friday. I'm assuming it will be pretty close to the starting team versus Weegies the follyin' week.

Castro was on the LH side scrummaging against Fitzpatrick/Afoa. Black did give Dan Cole more than he can handle.

backawaygo onahead

Cheers Ciaran, sounds just as comforting if not more so, Cole is a better prop in my opinion than Castro.

CIARAN_BOYLE

backawaygo onahead wrote: »

Cheers Ciaran, sounds just as comforting if not more so, Cole is a better prop in my opinion than Castro.

Castro tends to do better because cheats a lot. If reffed properly Cole is the better prop imo.