How are working students meant to survive?

brianthebard

OisinT wrote: »

I thought it was €3,250 for level 5 grant, reduced by 4% in the budget, so €3,120 for the academic year. If you qualified for level 6 last year you got €6,355.

So that means if you're over 23, living away from your parents and making less than €22,703/yr then you qualify for level 6: €6,355.

It's only if you're under 23 and your parents earn less than €41,000ish and are on no social welfare benefits that you are on level 5. If your parents receive any social welfare then you're level 6.

No there's way more qualifications to the top up grant than that, and even if you fulfill them there's no guarantee. And are you saying the 120 is going to make a difference??

FreudianSlippers

brianthebard wrote: »

No there's way more qualifications to the top up grant than that, and even if you fulfill them there's no guarantee. And are you saying the 120 is going to make a difference??

According to everyone in this thread it is apparently.

brianthebard

OisinT wrote: »

According to everyone in this thread it is apparently.

You're so condescending its amazing. I said just under 3k and you're acting like 120 is going to make the difference between starvation and living it up? You're also trying to make out that anyone can be on the top up grant when its a very small minority that get it.

daenerysstormborn3

I posted on this thread a few pages back about how difficult it is to obtain the grant. Very few people on this thread seem to have actual experience with this so let me give you my bf's experience.

My bf worked in Waterford Crystal for 7 years. He was made redundant along with hundreds of other people local to the area in 2008. He signed on immediately and began looking for work. He sent his cv into every single company in Waterford County and City and Kilkenny (as we live in County Kilkenny). He sent a cv into one particular company in Waterford every day for a whole year. He never even got a polite "sorry, no vacancies" letter.

He made the decision at the beginning of 2009 that his only option was to return to college. He worked as a maintenance technician in Waterford Crystal (basically his job was to fix the broken parts of machines and given the high demand he worked under immense pressure) and applied to do engineering in college. He is already a qualified fitter so a qualification in engineering would just build on what he already had.

He used what little savings he had to support himself during his period of unemployment so when he went back to college he needed support. He started the btea application process and was given the run around by the social welfare office. It is supposed to work automatically, if you are signing on for a certain period of time and you decide to return to education you are just switched over to the btea. First the social welfare office told him that he didn't qualify, then they told him that he wasn't signing on long enough, then they told him it was to do with his stamps, then they told him he did qualify but he had to provide p60s for his father. His father is 80 and hasn't worked in about 10 years because of his health. He was also asked for information for his mum who died just over 5 years ago. When he eventually got his btea sorted, after weeks of running around like this he started with his grant application. Again, more run around, each time he thought he had it sorted he would get another letter weeks later saying they needed more information eventhough everytime he provided more information he would present this physically in the office and be told "oh yes, that's it now". When he was eventually sorted and started at college he had to wait until January 2010 for his first grant payment during his first year of college. He had to use his btea and what little was left of his savings to pay for books and necessary items for the start of his course. He bought most of his books on ebay. One of the books set for his course costs 70euro. He couldn't even photocopy pages for classes from books in the library because they won't give you your student card until you're registered and he couldn't register until nearly a month into his course because of delays with his registration fees being paid.

He eventually got his grant in January 2010 as I said and after that each payment was delayed by weeks. Try studying for exams when you're worried about money and worried about having petrol money to get you to your exams.

This year the delays with his grant weren't as significant but still an inconvenience. He got his first payment the second weekend in November eventhough he was told he would have it the second week in October. They also changed the way his grant was paid this year and he gets it monthly as opposed to once each semester.

My boyfriend is a full time carer for his father, that is why he can't move closer to the college to avoid paying for petrol. His btea pays for food and bills to support him and his dad and petrol to get him to and from college. His only night away from studying and his dad is 4 hours on a wednesday playing xbox with his friend who lives 10 minutes down the road. He goes to college at around 8.30 every morning and gets home at around 6. He doesn't have the option of taking on a part time job because (a) there are none and (b) he is a carer for his dad and can't be away from the house unnecessarily. Even if he could get a part time job he doesn't have the time to work. He's in college from 8.30 until 6, sometimes he might not have a class between 11 and 2 but it's not even worth his while going home during that time, he might as well stay in the college and get some study done. He does around 4 hours study every night (apart from wednesday) and does about 6-8 hours study on saturday and sunday. He missed one day of college since he started in 2009 because he had to bring his dad to hospital.

He has been out drinking 5 times since he started in college in Sept 2009 and these were not student social occasions, 3 of these nights out took place during the summer. If he was even able to get a part time job for the summer this may or may not effect his eligibility for his grant, there is no way of knowing if this will effect him until the following year comes around and they send out the registration letters.

I am not looking for advice and to be told "oh, he could do this or that", he has exhausted every avenue available to him to try and make it easier on himself but there is nothing else. Every piece of information in this post is accurate as regards his entitlements. I am just trying to show that there is no set "student" template, not every student is partying up a storm, not every student watches judge judy everyday for the whole time they're in college, not every student is pissing away what little money they have on "luxuries". Since the beginning of 2011 my bf has had to shell out for a new washing machine as his one broke. Not exactly a luxury, more a necessity.

FreudianSlippers

brianthebard wrote: »

You're so condescending its amazing. I said just under 3k and you're acting like 120 is going to make the difference between starvation and living it up? You're also trying to make out that anyone can be on the top up grant when its a very small minority that get it.

I'm actually disputing the earlier post that was that if you make the minimum wage you cannot get a grant.

People can't post that they have barely 2 pennies to rub together and then say that an extra €120 is nothing to them...

starbelgrade

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I posted on this thread a few pages back about how difficult it is to obtain the grant. Very few people on this thread seem to have actual experience with this so let me give you my bf's experience.

My bf worked in Waterford Crystal for 7 years. He was made redundant along with hundreds of other people local to the area in 2008. He signed on immediately and began looking for work. He sent his cv into every single company in Waterford County and City and Kilkenny (as we live in County Kilkenny). He sent a cv into one particular company in Waterford every day for a whole year. He never even got a polite "sorry, no vacancies" letter.

He made the decision at the beginning of 2009 that his only option was to return to college. He worked as a maintenance technician in Waterford Crystal (basically his job was to fix the broken parts of machines and given the high demand he worked under immense pressure) and applied to do engineering in college. He is already a qualified fitter so a qualification in engineering would just build on what he already had.

He used what little savings he had to support himself during his period of unemployment so when he went back to college he needed support. He started the btea application process and was given the run around by the social welfare office. It is supposed to work automatically, if you are signing on for a certain period of time and you decide to return to education you are just switched over to the btea. First the social welfare office told him that he didn't qualify, then they told him that he wasn't signing on long enough, then they told him it was to do with his stamps, then they told him he did qualify but he had to provide p60s for his father. His father is 80 and hasn't worked in about 10 years because of his health. He was also asked for information for his mum who died just over 5 years ago. When he eventually got his btea sorted, after weeks of running around like this he started with his grant application. Again, more run around, each time he thought he had it sorted he would get another letter weeks later saying they needed more information eventhough everytime he provided more information he would present this physically in the office and be told "oh yes, that's it now". When he was eventually sorted and started at college he had to wait until January 2010 for his first grant payment during his first year of college. He had to use his btea and what little was left of his savings to pay for books and necessary items for the start of his course. He bought most of his books on ebay. One of the books set for his course costs 70euro. He couldn't even photocopy pages for classes from books in the library because they won't give you your student card until you're registered and he couldn't register until nearly a month into his course because of delays with his registration fees being paid.

He eventually got his grant in January 2010 as I said and after that each payment was delayed by weeks. Try studying for exams when you're worried about money and worried about having petrol money to get you to your exams.

This year the delays with his grant weren't as significant but still an inconvenience. He got his first payment the second weekend in November eventhough he was told he would have it the second week in October. They also changed the way his grant was paid this year and he gets it monthly as opposed to once each semester.

My boyfriend is a full time carer for his father, that is why he can't move closer to the college to avoid paying for petrol. His btea pays for food and bills to support him and his dad and petrol to get him to and from college. His only night away from studying and his dad is 4 hours on a wednesday playing xbox with his friend who lives 10 minutes down the road. He goes to college at around 8.30 every morning and gets home at around 6. He doesn't have the option of taking on a part time job because (a) there are none and (b) he is a carer for his dad and can't be away from the house unnecessarily. Even if he could get a part time job he doesn't have the time to work. He's in college from 8.30 until 6, sometimes he might not have a class between 11 and 2 but it's not even worth his while going home during that time, he might as well stay in the college and get some study done. He does around 4 hours study every night (apart from wednesday) and does about 6-8 hours study on saturday and sunday. He missed one day of college since he started in 2009 because he had to bring his dad to hospital.

He has been out drinking 5 times since he started in college in Sept 2009 and these were not student social occasions, 3 of these nights out took place during the summer. If he was even able to get a part time job for the summer this may or may not effect his eligibility for his grant, there is no way of knowing if this will effect him until the following year comes around and they send out the registration letters.

I am not looking for advice and to be told "oh, he could do this or that", he has exhausted every avenue available to him to try and make it easier on himself but there is nothing else. Every piece of information in this post is accurate as regards his entitlements. I am just trying to show that there is no set "student" template, not every student is partying up a storm, not every student watches judge judy everyday for the whole time they're in college, not every student is pissing away what little money they have on "luxuries". Since the beginning of 2011 my bf has had to shell out for a new washing machine as his one broke. Not exactly a luxury, more a necessity.

Sorry, I fell asleep there.

Superwhy

OisinT wrote: »

I thought it was €3,250 for level 5 grant, reduced by 4% in the budget, so €3,120 for the academic year. If you qualified for level 6 last year you got €6,355.

So that means if you're over 23, living away from your parents and making less than €22,703/yr then you qualify for level 6: €6,355.

It's only if you're under 23 and your parents earn less than €41,000ish and are on no social welfare benefits that you are on level 5. If your parents receive any social welfare then you're level 6.

That was before the budget and they changed the distance for qualifying for the non-adjacent (higher) rate. but even getting €6,300 isn't a lot for someone earning less than €22,000 a year.

I don't understand people who give out about 'how much' people get on social welfare because any money spent on social welfare goes straight back into the economy. These people are not spending it abroad or on foreign holidays or saving it, it's just enough for a person to live on. Just.

brianthebard

OisinT wrote: »

I'm actually disputing the earlier post that was that if you make the minimum wage you cannot get a grant.

People can't post that they have barely 2 pennies to rub together and then say that an extra €120 is nothing to them...

Well did they say the minimum wage in conjunction with their parents wage? you can't say 120 over the course of a college year is going to make a significant difference on a daily basis.

FreudianSlippers

Superwhy wrote: »

That was before the budget and they changed the distance for qualifying for the non-adjacent (higher) rate. but even getting €6,300 isn't a lot for someone earning less than €22,000 a year.

I don't understand people who give out about 'how much' people get on social welfare because any money spent on social welfare goes straight back into the economy. These people are not spending it abroad or on foreign holidays or saving it, it's just enough for a person to live on. Just.

I'm not complaining about social welfare (in this thread ). I was saying that I don't think it's right for students to complain about paying a registration fee when their tuition is paid for and grants are available.

brianthebard wrote: »

Well did they say the minimum wage in conjunction with their parents wage? you can't say 120 over the course of a college year is going to make a significant difference on a daily basis.

I'm not positive, I'd have to look back. IIRC the poster said that if they worked 10 hours a week at minimum wage they wouldn't qualify for the grant - which is incorrect, as there is an allowance for self-earned wages of something like €3000+

Red Hand

OisinT wrote: »

I'm not positive, I'd have to look back. IIRC the poster said that if they worked 10 hours a week at minimum wage they wouldn't qualify for the grant - which is incorrect, as there is an allowance for self-earned wages of something like €3000+

I think she was on a small scholarship rather than a grant.

melekalikimaka

OisinT wrote: »

I'm not complaining about social welfare (in this thread ). I was saying that I don't think it's right for students to complain about paying a registration fee when their tuition is paid for and grants are available.

oisin oisin oisin have your not realised, we as irIsh citizens are ENTITLED to everything

daenerysstormborn3

starbelgrade wrote: »

Sorry, I fell asleep there.

what an intelligent contribution to the thread :rolleyes:

Superwhy

OisinT wrote: »

I'm not complaining about social welfare (in this thread ). I was saying that I don't think it's right for students to complain about paying a registration fee when their tuition is paid for and grants are available.



I'm not positive, I'd have to look back. IIRC the poster said that if they worked 10 hours a week at minimum wage they wouldn't qualify for the grant - which is incorrect, as there is an allowance for self-earned wages of something like €3000+

The reason there was 'free' education is Ireland was to make it accessible to everyone, regardless of their upbringing but with each budget the government are changing the criteria for qualifying therefore making it only accessible to those who can afford it. To receive a grant is not an easy thing to do! And again I make the argument that the money paid out in grants goes back into the economy! Generally, it's not being wasted abroad etc so I don't see what your problem is. The people who get grants need the grants to live on!

Unless you just want the future professionals of this country to be only those who can afford to go to college and no one else?

Superwhy

starbelgrade wrote: »

Sorry, I fell asleep there.

You're so rude!

melekalikimaka

Superwhy wrote: »

Unless you just want the future professionals of this country to be only those who can afford to go to college and no one else?

i think a student loan like the uk is the best route given the state of the economy

FreudianSlippers

Superwhy wrote: »

The reason there was 'free' education is Ireland was to make it accessible to everyone, regardless of their upbringing but with each budget the government are changing the criteria for qualifying therefore making it only accessible to those who can afford it. To receive a grant is not an easy thing to do! And again I make the argument that the money paid out in grants goes back into the economy! Generally, it's not being wasted abroad etc so I don't see what your problem is. The people who get grants need the grants to live on!

Unless you just want the future professionals of this country to be only those who can afford to go to college and no one else?

But I'm not saying people shouldn't get grants...

Superwhy

OisinT wrote: »

But I'm not saying people shouldn't get grants...

Oh I'm sorry - you just don't want them to complain when the government decide to more than half of it? Or when they cut it two years in a row?

You want everyone who gets a grant to just be grateful for it??

"Thank you sir, thank you so much"

almostnever

I can't necessarily substantiate this claim but I heard around the time of the student protest something about how in the times since the state paid third level fees, the percentage of "poorer" people going to college actually fell. Can't remember where I heard it but there was definitely a source, gragh. >_<

melekalikimaka

Superwhy wrote: »

You want everyone who gets a grant to just be grateful for it??

"Thank you sir, thank you so much"

as opposed to expecting it?

EDIT: ohhh yeah sorry, we're irish. my bad

brianthebard

almostnever wrote: »

I can't necessarily substantiate this claim but I heard around the time of the student protest something about how in the times since the state paid third level fees, the percentage of "poorer" people going to college actually fell. Can't remember where I heard it but there was definitely a source, gragh. >_<

Well free fees has disproportionately favoured people like meleka but I'm not sure that the number of people from less wealthy backgrounds has gone down, unless its happened recently because of the recession.

almostnever

Superwhy wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry - you just don't want them to complain when the government decide to more than half of it? Or when they cut it two years in a row?

You want everyone who gets a grant to just be grateful for it??

"Thank you sir, thank you so much"

Well....yeah. The cuts were nowhere NEAR as bad as anticipated and even if it arguably isn't "enough" then we should still be thankful. I'm in receipt of a grant and I'm extremely thankful for it. I don't see the issue?

melekalikimaka

brianthebard wrote: »

Well free fees has disproportionately favoured people like meleka but I'm not sure that the number of people from less wealthy backgrounds has gone down, unless its happened recently because of the recession.

oh yeah i'm stinking rich :rolleyes:

Superwhy

melekalikimaka wrote: »

as opposed to expecting it?

EDIT: ohhh yeah sorry, we're irish. my bad

I don't understand the 'we're Irish' comment but anyway...

In my opinion, there are people who are more disadvantaged than others, for whatever reason, and it's the responsibility of the government (or society) to bring them up to the basic level of everyone else and that includes financially.

But thats just my opinion

FreudianSlippers

Superwhy wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry - you just don't want them to complain when the government decide to more than half of it? Or when they cut it two years in a row?

You want everyone who gets a grant to just be grateful for it??

"Thank you sir, thank you so much"

The government hasn't halved it.

You didn't actually read the whole thread?

almostnever

brianthebard wrote: »

Well free fees has disproportionately favoured people like meleka but I'm not sure that the number of people from less wealthy backgrounds has gone down, unless its happened recently because of the recession.

I remember that the main line of reasoning was to do with the number of Leaving Cert students going to private/grind schools, etc, and essentially buying points. Because they wouldn't have to later pay fees for university, parents used their relative wealth to help them get ahead in the points game. Tbh I can definitely see this in my own college course-not a single one of my friends didn't go to a private school and I'm the only one I know of who didn't go to the Institute or wherever for grinds or revision courses. That said I can't compare that to years ago because I wouldn't have anything to base the comparison on but that was the gist of the argument anyway and it made sense to me at the time.

Superwhy

OisinT wrote: »

The government hasn't halved it.

You didn't actually read the whole thread?

No i didn't read the whole 22 pages but I know for me my grant has been more than halved in the budget cuts.

FreudianSlippers

Superwhy wrote: »

No i didn't read the whole 22 pages but I know for me my grant has been more than halved in the budget cuts.

ok, well... if you're not going to bother reading the previous posts, don't assume I'm saying something I'm actually not saying.

Superwhy

almostnever wrote: »

Well....yeah. The cuts were nowhere NEAR as bad as anticipated and even if it arguably isn't "enough" then we should still be thankful. I'm in receipt of a grant and I'm extremely thankful for it. I don't see the issue?

I don't mean to sound ungrateful for my grant because I'm not but I do get defensive when people imply I should be grateful, or more grateful. And I'm not just talking about whats been said here, it's been said to me more than a few times from people that I should count myself as 'lucky' for getting a grant, as if I don't appreciate it enough.

melekalikimaka

melekalikimaka wrote: »

oh yeah i'm stinking rich :rolleyes:

How come you go to a private college, if you don't mind me asking?

melekalikimaka

Henrik Icy Parrot wrote: »

How come you go to a private college, if you don't mind me asking?

i completed a degree already. i decided to return to college for personal reasons. The course i chose was run in public and private colleges, as a mature student i could chose either as fees were almost identical, I chose private due to better facilities. i work nights and weekeds, all summer and all over holidays to pay for it

melekalikimaka

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i completed a degree already. i decided to return to college for personal reasons. The course i chose was run in public and private colleges, as a mature student i could chose either as fees were almost identical, I chose private due to better facilities. i work nights and weekeds, all summer and all over holidays to pay for it

Why are fees almost identical?

yizorselves

I didnt get a grant when I went to college. Parents earnings werent much over whatever the cut off point was. Paying rent in Dublin, eating and a little bit of a social life was tough. Surviving on a tenner for a few days aint much fun

melekalikimaka

Henrik Icy Parrot wrote: »

Why are fees almost identical?

i don't know...similar course and requirements I assumed.

bobblepuzzle

I hate the way people think that having a degree is a guarantee to a job... in reality most of our graduates will have to emigrate for a chance at any job... makes me sick!

yizorselves

A degree is no guarantee. A degree accompanied by lots of work experience in the field of that degree is very valuable. You'll gain contacts and if you're not a tool then you should be fine. The times of getting your exams and project done and sitting on your hole for the summer are well gone.

Superwhy

OisinT wrote: »

ok, well... if you're not going to bother reading the previous posts, don't assume I'm saying something I'm actually not saying.

I didn't assume anything, I merely commented on what you had to say but having read all of what you had to say - that everyone can afford €5.50 a day and if they can't then it's ok by you for them to get a grant, as long as they don't complain about it and realise just how lucky they are to live in this wonderful county that provides 'free' education and of course they must show how gratitude for it - I still stick with my opinion.

FreudianSlippers

Superwhy wrote: »

I didn't assume anything, I merely commented on what you had to say but having read all of what you had to say - that everyone can afford €5.50 a day and if they can't then it's ok by you for them to get a grant, as long as they don't complain about it and realise just how lucky they are to live in this wonderful county that provides 'free' education and of course they must show how gratitude for it - I still stick with my opinion.

The education is free... there's no way to argue with that IMO.

If you have a problem with registration fees, blame the administration.

starbelgrade

pixiebean22 wrote: »

what an intelligent contribution to the thread :rolleyes:

I added the tags too.

Thought they might lighten the mood.

Wibbles19

OP, been there done that etc, had to give up after my Dip just couldn't afford it and live. A degree isn't the be all and end all with drive and hard work once you get your foot in the door you are only limited by your own ambition.

the keen edge

OisinT wrote: »

Wanna just tell me instead of making me guess?

I wasn't trying to make you guess.

I, myself, was guessing that seeing as you were so flippantly telling students,' If grants don't cover your living expenses then I suggest cutting down on living expenses.', you knew the level of grant money.

OisinT wrote: »

I thought it was €3,250 for level 5 grant, reduced by 4% in the budget, so €3,120 for the academic year. If you qualified for level 6 last year you got €6,355.

So that means if you're over 23, living away from your parents and making less than €22,703/yr then you qualify for level 6: €6,355.

It's only if you're under 23 and your parents earn less than €41,000ish and are on no social welfare benefits that you are on level 5. If your parents receive any social welfare then you're level 6.

OisinT wrote: »

The government hasn't halved it.

You didn't actually read the whole thread?

Your figures above are correct for this academic year.

I cant comment on level 6 grant. However AFAIK very few students are in fact eligible for level 6 grants.

For 2011/2012 the €3250 is subject to the 4% cut as mentioned, but in addition to this independent mature students will no longer qualify for the non-adjacent grant, unless they live 45Km away from the college/uni.

Therefore next year the grant will be €1248 for independent mature students.

That's €1248 over 30 weeks, which is €41.60 per week.

So, which living expenses do you suggest students should cut back on?

Tar.Aldarion

melekalikimaka wrote: »

surely if your renting your away from home and can apply for all sorts of lovely grants.

doesnt matter if parents give you nothing, they still stop you getting the loan if they make any sort of normal wage.

EverEvolving wrote: »

That, and you could also get a small student loan and try paying it back during the summer.

There is little point breaking your balls to keep your neck above water while in college and then coming out of it failing because you had to work to survive.

the loans in ireland are so bad, they should really be able to be paid back after college and college fees could be taken from your wage after college.

Hated having nothing to eat sometimes in college, basically gambling got me though it.

jackiebaron

OisinT wrote: »

I've decided to revisit this thread and the initial question.




After much deliberation I've come to a decision.

I don't care. I just don't.


If you really think it's so **** and so hard to go to college for free in this country (QQ registration fees) then don't.
It's been totally ignored that I pointed out earlier that the taxpayer is still footing the €12,000 for you to go to college. So pfffft.

"pffft" ?

That trite, glib and banal little quip qualifies as a contribution?

Kerikosan

When I was in college for my first 2 year full time course and my second 3 year full time course I was lucky to have Fridays off on both courses for all years WIN! so I worked Friday, Saturday and Sunday and any evening I could after college as a Senior Commis chef I had a 30-40 hours of lectures a week and worked 40 hours a week. Earning a Shiney 440Euro a week, So i had a great time through college

I did live at home too and ate at home (yum yum) and went out most nights with my mates and class and most college events and balls.

Good Times

FreudianSlippers

jackiebaron wrote: »

"pffft" ?

That trite, glib and banal little quip qualifies as a contribution?

Yep, just ignore the rest of the post then... nice to see people grasping at straws when they have nothing to contribute but want to make comments. :rolleyes:

steddyeddy

Kerikosan wrote: »

When I was in college for my first 2 year full time course and my second 3 year full time course I was lucky to have Fridays off on both courses for all years WIN! so I worked Friday, Saturday and Sunday and any evening I could after college as a Senior Commis chef I had a 30-40 hours of lectures a week and worked 40 hours a week. Earning a Shiney 440Euro a week, So i had a great time through college

I did live at home too and ate at home (yum yum) and went out most nights with my mates and class and most college events and balls.

Good Times

i was jealous untill that bit

Kerikosan

Which bit?

jackiebaron

OisinT wrote: »

Yep, just ignore the rest of the post then... nice to see people grasping at straws when they have nothing to contribute but want to make comments. :rolleyes:

Well now Oisin, what else exactly was I supposed to comment upon? You throw in an infantile, throwaway comment and you expect it to be ignored. If you have so much profundity to share then why would you include it in the first place? And why would you drop it at the conclusion of one of your postings? What straws, exactly, am I grasping at?
You sling in such gems as "pffft" and ":rolleyes:" and this gives you gravitas or "cred".
Oh, I want to make comments, alright....and many I will make. If you want to be taken seriously then my recommendation is jettison the "shuck...whatever" approach.

FreudianSlippers

jackiebaron wrote: »

Well now Oisin, what else exactly was I supposed to comment upon? You throw in an infantile, throwaway comment and you expect it to be ignored. If you have so much profundity to share then why would you include it in the first place? And why would you drop it at the conclusion of one of your postings? What straws, exactly, am I grasping at?
You sling in such gems as "pffft" and ":rolleyes:" and this gives you gravitas or "cred".
Oh, I want to make comments, alright....and many I will make. If you want to be taken seriously then my recommendation is jettison the "shuck...whatever" approach.

I made loads of proper comments earlier... I'm just bored.

jackiebaron

Moving back to prinz, and his struggle through law school.

Prinz, having studied law, my guess is that you don't come from the proletariat. Culchie and Dublin peasants.....no matter how clever, don't enter the legal profession. They study sciences ....or Arts if their points can't reach that pinnacle. So, Prinz....you want us all to believe that you did it all on your own...but nobody with an IQ above room temperature believes that. In reality, you had a parental cushion, didn't you....or are you going to display more prevarication and redirection?

You didn't qualify for a grant because, let's face it, your circumstances and your familial income outstripped it. You studied law, gave grinds and bogged off to Germany or France because you COULD. Not because you HAD to or your life depended on it.

Now you can attempt to compare your own circumstances all you want to every single student in Ireland. You can look at your own current stasis and bleat about how you had it hardest and everyone else is just a strap-hanger. You can yap about how you "did what you had to do" (even though we all know that's a crock of sh1t) to pay the bills. But you are lying, prinz. There is no way in hell that you put yourself through an LLB without a single kickback. No way! And there is no WAY that you would have put yourself through four years of a physics or biology or engineering degree without the cushion of parental backup or the 200 quid a week that you claim is there for everyone through grinding.

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jackiebaron wrote: »

Moving back to prinz, and his struggle through law school.

Prinz, having studied law, my guess is that you don't come from the proletariat. Culchie and Dublin peasants.....no matter how clever, don't enter the legal profession. They study sciences ....or Arts if their points can't reach that pinnacle. So, Prinz....you want us all to believe that you did it all on your own...but nobody with an IQ above room temperature believes that. In reality, you had a parental cushion, didn't you....or are you going to display more prevarication and redirection?

You didn't qualify for a grant because, let's face it, your circumstances and your familial income outstripped it. You studied law, gave grinds and bogged off to Germany or France because you COULD. Not because you HAD to or your life depended on it.

Now you can attempt to compare your own circumstances all you want to every single student in Ireland. You can look at your own current stasis and bleat about how you had it hardest and everyone else is just a strap-hanger. You can yap about how you "did what you had to do" (even though we all know that's a crock of sh1t) to pay the bills. But you are lying, prinz. There is no way in hell that you put yourself through an LLB without a single kickback. No way! And there is no WAY that you would have put yourself through four years of a physics or biology or engineering degree without the cushion of parental backup or the 200 quid a week that you claim is there for everyone through grinding.

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