Galway West General Election

Lockstep

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh was selected as their sole candidate. Can't see him getting a seat somehow.

Doubt he'll get a seat but Ó Clochartaigh, Connolly and Kyne will probably draw a few Conamara votes, hopefully stopping Ó Cuív from topping the poll.

snubbleste

In case anyone has any questions for himself.

The Political Discussion Society presents Eamon O Cuiv
Time: 20:00 - 22:00
Venue: Kirwan Theatre on Concourse, NUIG
The Political Discussion Society presents Eamon O Cuiv at the Kirwan
at 8pm on Monday. Mr O Cuiv will be discussing government policy and
the upcoming election, and we urge you to come along to make your
voice heard.

Robbo

PomBear wrote: »

Despite doing sweet feck all!

Isn't he the one responsible for the Anglicised Gaeltacht placenames being airbrushed off the signs in the city?

Lockstep

snubbleste wrote: »

In case anyone has any questions for himself.

The Political Discussion Society presents Eamon O Cuiv
Time: 20:00 - 22:00
Venue: Kirwan Theatre on Concourse, NUIG
The Political Discussion Society presents Eamon O Cuiv at the Kirwan
at 8pm on Monday. Mr O Cuiv will be discussing government policy and
the upcoming election, and we urge you to come along to make your
voice heard.

Ó Cuív cancelled the event. Probably as he's more concerned with becoming FF leader.

snubbleste

Lockstep wrote: »

Ó Cuív cancelled the event. Probably as he's more concerned with becoming FF leader.

Poor Fella, being the Minister for the Department of Social Protection, the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government along with the Department of Defence can't be easy.
He must be very capable altogether. :cool:

yeehaw

snubbleste wrote: »

Poor Fella, being the Minister for the Department of Social Protection, the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government along with the Department of Defence can't be easy.
He must be very capable altogether. :cool:

Indeed he must. However I would be concerned that if he has that Defence portfolio for long we will end up with a Naval base in Mannin Bay and a battalion of tanks in Casla.

Let us not overlook the very capable Pat Carey (good buddy of Pat Rabbitte) who is minister for the Gaeltacht, minister for Transport, and minister for Communications. Pat has also thrown his weight behind that bra burner Mary Hanafin as she bids to lead Fianna Fáil, for, in her words, 'mná na hÉiereann'.

Sponge Bob

The last thing O Cuiv needs is to have a circus like the one Fahey organised last week reported all over the meeja tomorrow ....and with all due respect to the student society that would be the more likely outcome of that meet tonight going ahead.

Dan_Solo

Since we don't have a ULA candidate, I guess I'll have to go SF. The Finance Bill is an instrument of permanent slavery for Ireland, and all the rightwing parties (FF, FG, LA, GP) being so desperate to pass it should set off the alarm bells.
Any chance of a ULA candidate by election time?

booksalot

Lockstep wrote: »

Between the 5 Labour City Councillors, Catherine Connolly and Seosamh Ó Cuaig there's a sizable left vote in Galway West.

I'm backing Nolan. Met him a few times and he's always impressed me as a young, dynamic candidate. Plus his background in corporate law isn't something to be sniffed at in the current climate. He's getting my 1st vote.

Connolly will probably get my 2nd preference. She seems very capable but she comes across as too negative/anti everything for me to give her my first, now more than ever we need positive and proactive TDs. Plus, given that the next government is almost certainly going to be FG/Lab, the role of the Independant TD will be weakened.

3rd will probably go to Sinn Féin.
4th to Ó Brolchain. I like the guy but I'm fairly pissed off with the Greens at the moment.
After that, giving the votes to FG. Don't like any of the candidates but there's no way in hell I'm giving a vote to Fianna Fáil, regardless of how idolised Ó Cuív is in my neck of the woods.

Nolan - What background in corporate law ? He was an apprentice solicitor for a few months and well short of qualifying. He was working for free not employed. A half qualified solicitor ! No offence.

Really pissed off with our choices in Galway West and their background
O'Cuiv - career politician
Fahy - Teacher
Crowe - Property speculator
Walsh - Developer/Anglo Manager
Healy Eammes - Teacher
Kyne - Farmer
Hildergarde - Teacher
Nolan - 1/2 solicitor
Niall O'B - ?
Connolly - solicitor
Grealish - ?
Mike Cuppard - office worker
Joe McNamara - developer
Welby - ?
The only one with business acumen is IND Eammon Walsh

Sick of the country being run by teachers and solicitors

dilallio

snubbleste wrote: »

Poor Fella, being the Minister for the Department of Social Protection, the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government along with the Department of Defence can't be easy.
He must be very capable altogether. :cool:

But on an optimistic note, he now has 3 cars to ferry around the voters on polling day!

Dan_Solo

No idea why people would want more lawyer and big business scam artists to "run" the country. Has anybody noticed the current crop of the same professions destroying the country?
Please stop voting for rich people.

cranky bollix

Sponge Bob wrote: »

He is getting there..as in fine tuning his manifeshto by the day Popey. :cool:

Now if he would just say that every long term transport plan for Galway City involves ruthlessly removing traffic from it ....meaning the bypass is item 1 above all other items ....I will start to consider that Derek has completed his necessary adjustment to reality. I suppose a letter to the Sentinel may be expected on Tuesday.

Oh and seeing as the Galway Labour manifeshto is being fine tuned by reference to the content of this thread I shortly expect him to come out strongly in favour of reopening Cuba with a right rawshus night of banging choons...Jeff Mills would be my preferred choice or Billy Nasty, get on the blower there Derek willya

whats all this about jeff mills banging out tunes been added to the labour manifesto - politics are changing faster than a flying potato these days

Predalien

booksalot wrote: »

Sick of the country being run by teachers and solicitors

I agree completely, would love to be able to vote for a candidate who actually has a background in finance/economics or in be an expert in their particular field and would hope to be assigned to that area in government, such as healthcare, transport (an engineer perhaps), environment (a scientist maybe!) etc.

I'm sick of the constant stream of idiots who claim their time spent in politics is vast experience. I'd rather some actual experience, in a real job, I certainly won't be voting for any of the teachers or lawyers!

Lockstep

booksalot wrote: »

Nolan - What background in corporate law ? He was an apprentice solicitor for a few months and well short of qualifying. He was working for free not employed. A half qualified solicitor ! No offence.

He has a degree in corporate law (along with his LLB qualification). Corporate law isn't a profession in the same way that a solicitor or a barrister is so I meant his corporate law degree. Also he spent a few years working as a credit analyst in a German financial company, as well as working as a manager for Thermo King when he was running for the City Council so I'd imagine he has a fair knowledge of business.


Also, just to correct you; Connoly is a barrister, not a solicitor.

Dan_Solo

Just had Mike Cubbard to my door.
His flyer (and he himself) says NO MORE BAILOUTS, so he's got me hooked.

yeehaw

Lockstep wrote: »

He has a degree in corporate law (along with his LLB qualification). Corporate law isn't a profession in the same way that a solicitor or a barrister is so I meant his corporate law degree. Also he spent a few years working as a credit analyst in a German financial company, as well as working as a manager for Thermo King when he was running for the City Council so I'd imagine he has a fair knowledge of business.


Also, just to correct you; Connoly is a barrister, not a solicitor.

You seem to have no idea about the necessary qualifications to practise law in Ireland or elsewhere. Without wanting to cross threads/boards I noticed you giving career advice in this area over on the NUIG forum while displaying an alarming lack of knowledge on the topic. Less ill informed tripe delivered with a snooty air please.

Mike Cubbard

Too right Dan.

Why should we continue to pay because of developers and speculators bad gambling. It's a joke it's gone this far even.

We are going to end up crippling generations to come. What makes me sick is the majority of those who made these reckless decisions are now retiring into massive pensions without a care in the world...

PomBear

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Just had Mike Cubbard to my door.
His flyer (and he himself) says NO MORE BAILOUTS, so he's got me hooked.

Hmmmm interesting, but many of the parties don't want bailouts, it's who you can trust to default, for me, it's SF and Trevor Ó Clochartaigh.

Dan_Solo

PomBear wrote: »

Hmmmm interesting, but many of the parties don't want bailouts

I think I can name about 4 parties who seem to like them pretty much...

PomBear

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I think I can name about 4 parties who seem to like them pretty much...

True, and they say different. Don't seem to have the backbone to oppose them 100%.

Unfortunately they have people fooled into believing them.

Amhran Nua

Mike Cubbard wrote: »

Too right Dan.

Why should we continue to pay because of developers and speculators bad gambling. It's a joke it's gone this far even.

We are going to end up crippling generations to come. What makes me sick is the majority of those who made these reckless decisions are now retiring into massive pensions without a care in the world...

Great sentiments, have you got an alternate plan? Not snipping by the way, I'm genuinely curious.

Lockstep

yeehaw wrote: »

You seem to have no idea about the necessary qualifications to practise law in Ireland or elsewhere. Without wanting to cross threads/boards I noticed you giving career advice in this area over on the NUIG forum while displaying an alarming lack of knowledge on the topic. Less ill informed tripe delivered with a snooty air please.

You mean the thread where you assumed that practicing law refers only to solicitors (you ignored the fact that I was referring to lawyers in general, which includes barristers)?
I've since corrected you on your points in the relevant thread , feel free to respond as appropriate.

If you politely corrected me on a perceived mistake, that's sound, we all make mistakes. However, it is quite bizarre that you rudely tell me off for being 'snooty' and showing a lack of knowledge (while being insulting and ill informed yourself), when you are assuming that lawyers=solicitors.

dolphin city

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Great sentiments, have you got an alternate plan? Not snipping by the way, I'm genuinely curious.

sorry to butt in but there is ALWAYS an alternative plan - the thing is, they don't mention it because they don't want you to know about it. Look back and what they did to us over the past couple of years. They don't have your interests at heart - they will walk away with fat bank balances and you won't ever see any one of them struggling, believe me.

We should never bow down to the ramblings of this lot - we should oppose them at every turn - and we should grow a pair and tell them to get lost. At the moment we are a nation without a backbone.

I also find it surprising that lots of people are against Catherine Connolly - if people actually saw this lady in action, they would think differently - she has a crowd of "boys" attacking her at every turn - why? because she tells it like it is - if it was not for her there would be nobody that I can see to speak up for the local people. Yes, she can be negative, but that is just a result of what the others are trying to pass off as good ideas. She's a thorn in the "little boy's" sides up there and long may she be there. She puts them all to shame. It's people like her that ye should be getting behind, not the three piece suit brigade who will promise you the moon and walk away with amnesia.

Amhran Nua

dolphin city wrote: »

sorry to butt in but there is ALWAYS an alternative plan - the thing is, they don't mention it because they don't want you to know about it.

Some of the most brilliant economic minds in Ireland and elsewhere have been very publicly putting forth alternate plans from day one, what I'd like to know is what plan does Mike Cubbard have, and how does he intend to enact that plan as an independent.

ANYONE can say boo, damn the developers and the bankers and the dirty politicians, great, but that's just populist rabble rousing unless you have a practical plan to deal with the problems.

So Mr. Cubbard, what's the plan?

Incidentally I respect Catherine Connolly, she usually seems to have her head screwed on, maybe some people say she's too negative but its about time someone said no to something in this country. However if she would like to maximise her potential, it would be great if she could come in here and let people speak to her as well. I strongly encourage all public representatives to stay in contact with the public, and no better medium than this.

dolphin city

i would be more interested in Mike Cubbard and others, sticking to the local issues, which seems to be getting swept under the carpet while everyone is worrying about bailing out the bondholders. I would like to know myself, what is is "local" agenda about, and who or what in particular he will devote his time to

LawnMower Man

Is Declan Ganley Running?

Amhran Nua

dolphin city wrote: »

i would be more interested in Mike Cubbard and others, sticking to the local issues, which seems to be getting swept under the carpet while everyone is worrying about bailing out the bondholders.

Again without being snippy, to hell with the local agenda. You have local elections to deal with the local issues. A TD must focus on the national issues - it's the myopia around the parish pump that has landed us in this mess.

Sponge Bob

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Again without being snippy, to hell with the local agenda. You have local elections to deal with the local issues. A TD must focus on the national issues - it's the myopia around the parish pump that has landed us in this mess.

Pity nobody told Joan Burton about the big picture before she appeared on Vincent Browne last night

Dan_Solo

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Some of the most brilliant economic minds in Ireland and elsewhere have been very publicly putting forth alternate plans from day one

If they have, they don't work for FF, FG, Lab or the GP. They all have exactly the same "permanent economic slavery" fiscal model.

dolphin city

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Again without being snippy, to hell with the local agenda. You have local elections to deal with the local issues. A TD must focus on the national issues - it's the myopia around the parish pump that has landed us in this mess.

and without being snippy either but that is exceptionally naive to think that. ALL politics is local. National Issues ARE Local Issues.

Amhran Nua

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Pity nobody told Joan Burton about the big picture before she appeared on Vincent Browne last night

After the budget speech nothing would surprise me.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

If they have, they don't work for FF, FG, Lab or the GP. They all have exactly the same "permanent economic slavery" fiscal model.

That's exactly right, they don't work for the mainstream parties.

dolphin city wrote: »

and without being snippy either but that is exceptionally naive to think that. ALL politics is local. National Issues ARE Local Issues.

Naive is playing footsie over potholes and planning for the house extension while the country burns down around our ears. Politics are only local if we make them so. We all go up or else all go down as one people, as Roosevelt put it.

dolphin city

Amhran Nua wrote: »

After the budget speech nothing would surprise me.


That's exactly right, they don't work for the mainstream parties.


Naive is playing footsie over potholes and planning for the house extension while the country burns down around our ears. Politics are only local if we make them so. We all go up or else all go down as one people, as Roosevelt put it.

if that's what you think is local politics then I give up. and in case you haven't noticed, its already time to call the fire brigade.

Dan_Solo

dolphin city wrote: »

i would be more interested in Mike Cubbard and others, sticking to the local issues, which seems to be getting swept under the carpet while everyone is worrying about bailing out the bondholders. I would like to know myself, what is is "local" agenda about, and who or what in particular he will devote his time to

It's this kind of thinking that gets useless non-entities like O'Cuiv in every time. If he's so great why doesn't he run as an independent instead of f&&king the country over as part of Fianna Fail? Let's see how big the grants are for speaking Irish when the country is bankrupt.

eagle10

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Naive is playing footsie over potholes and planning for the house extension while the country burns down around our ears. Politics are only local if we make them so. We all go up or else all go down as one people, as Roosevelt put it.

Well said local elections for all this mickey mouse bull$h!t.
I could live with crappy potholes and people moaning about not getting pp for their extensions once I knew that NATIONAL politicans were focusing on national problems.

The economic crisis is far more eminent than any city council issue at the moment imo and I think that any Galway west candidate trying to bring local council issues in to their ellection policy is a dim wit.

The economic problem needs to be sorted ASAP!

We are paying trough the teeth and I for one am sick of it that should be number 1 on any candidate's agenda if someone seems to have what I consider a good solution or approach to getting it sorted I will vote for them.

The local stuff is trivial imo.

PopeBuckfastXVI

eagle10 wrote: »

The local stuff is trivial imo.

We get the politicians we deserve, ultimately. If a sizeable chunk of the electorate continues to vote on local issues, then we will continue to have a sizeable chunk of politicians focusing on local issues.

Also, I'm trying to work behind the scenes at the moment to use the Galway City forum as a facilitator for candidates to share their policies, in a community driven way. I think it's very important that the community retains the balance of power when it comes to any discussion, and the politician shouldn't be free to soapbox and drive the discourse anywhere they like, particularly away from uncomfortable topics.

Watch this space...

eagle10

It would be great if all tds elected into galway west could make galway a great place, but it doesn't really happen. Bobby molloy got the flats built which was needed at the time it would be great if tds could secure money for councils for needed projects eg roads.

I really do think that this economic crisis be first on any of their list and local councillors sort out local issues.

Sponge Bob

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Also, I'm trying to work behind the scenes at the moment to use the Galway City forum as a facilitator for candidates to share their policies, in a community driven way.

Excellent idea Popey. In case any candidate reads this I would say for the record that the moderators in here are capable of the very highest levels of organisation.

If they say that a party and/or candidate thread will be about policy I have every confidence that will be the only outcome and that muppetry will be dealt with in very short order. I think that it should be ruled that a candidate may or may not post under their own name or may nominate a designated mouthpiece who may or may not be known in here already but that the rule should be one RECOGNISED POSTER per candidate ( or party if that is the case) and that the mods should tell us who these are for the duration of the campaign.

I also reckon that any candidate/party who has not designated their mouthpiece should be excluded after the 31st of January...that for the egregious crime of calculatedly snubbing internet opinion because their strategist told them a bit of th'oul twittering and facebookery is all they need on the internet.

But lets also keep this particular thread for generally squabbling with each other ....ie that which we do best in Galway

dolphin city

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

We get the politicians we deserve, ultimately. If a sizeable chunk of the electorate continues to vote on local issues, then we will continue to have a sizeable chunk of politicians focusing on local issues.

Also, I'm trying to work behind the scenes at the moment to use the Galway City forum as a facilitator for candidates to share their policies, in a community driven way. I think it's very important that the community retains the balance of power when it comes to any discussion, and the politician shouldn't be free to soapbox and drive the discourse anywhere they like, particularly away from uncomfortable topics.

Watch this space...

sadly tho popebuckfast, it seems like people don't think that local issues have any relationship whatsoever to national issues - which is where they are going wrong. What on earth are they voting for I wonder? How much to give the French and German bondholders? no wonder the country is in a state.

Amhran Nua

dolphin city wrote: »

What on earth are they voting for I wonder?

Policies that make sure the state doesn't go bankrupt so we can all enjoy our outer bypass some day, with those of our children who haven't been forced to emigrate.

dolphin city

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Policies that make sure the state doesn't go bankrupt so we can all enjoy our outer bypass some day, with those of our children who haven't been forced to emigrate.

:D <

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that is me, resting my case. :rolleyes:

dolphin city

eagle10 wrote: »

Well said local elections for all this mickey mouse bull$h!t.


so would you concur that your frustration and annoyance about who does and doesn't have a social house, is mickey mouse bull$hit - for once, I agree with you

eagle10

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Policies that make sure the state doesn't go bankrupt so we can all enjoy our outer bypass some day, with those of our children who haven't been forced to emigrate.

+1

We sure would look good with our bypass but no money for health education and so on.
would the imf approve of the galway bypass at this moment in time?

Amhran Nua

dolphin city wrote: »

:D <

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that is me, resting my case. :rolleyes:

The success of the local areas depends entirely on the success of the country as a whole, not the other way round.

This focus on local favouritism, clientilism, is why the attendance in the Dáil is so low, TDs are always haring off to attend funerals. This is why Cowen walked out of the IMF talks to go canvassing in Donegal, why we have Jackie Healy-Rae holding the country to ransom, and why the TD who brought in free third level education promptly lost her seat while shady characters get re-elected. People who reward or punish TDs and more importantly parties based on how much they've personally gained to the detriment of all else are doing themselves no favours.

eagle10

dolphin city wrote: »

eagle10 wrote: »

Well said local elections for all this mickey mouse bull$h!t.


so would you concur that your frustration and annoyance about who does and doesn't have a social house, is mickey mouse bull$hit - for once, I agree with you

Its not what I consider national politics its local politics.

My pay slip is my main concern this time next year I wonder will I be able to survive financially along with many others I'm sure if a candidate has a convincing plan for financial growth stability and security will get my vote.

Its not that I don't care about local issues but the economic issue comrs first imo

dolphin city

Amhran Nua wrote: »

The success of the local areas depends entirely on the success of the country as a whole, not the other way round.

This focus on local favouritism, clientilism, is why the attendance in the Dáil is so low, TDs are always haring off to attend funerals. This is why Cowen walked out of the IMF talks to go canvassing in Donegal, why we have Jackie Healy-Rae holding the country to ransom, and why the TD who brought in free third level education promptly lost her seat while shady characters get re-elected. People who reward or punish TDs and more importantly parties based on how much they've personally gained to the detriment of all else are doing themselves no favours.

tell that to your granny lying on a hospital trolley for three or four days (yes in our "rich" times too). There was no such thing as taking care of them when the country was rich and please dont fool yourself into thinking they were taken care of - the old people were actually illegally robbed during the rich times) Whether you like it or not ALL politics is local - what do you think people are going to be talking about when people come to canvas - it will be their LOCAL issues not how france and germany are going to say we are a good little country for bailing them out. How do you think somebody gets to be a TD - its from what they do LOCALLY - politics needs to be dealing with "the bottom up" and not "the top down" which is what got us into this mess in the first place. there is none so blind than those who refuse to see :rolleyes:

dolphin city

eagle10 wrote: »

dolphin city wrote: »

Its not what I consider national politics its local politics.

My pay slip is my main concern this time next year I wonder will I be able to survive financially along with many others I'm sure if a candidate has a convincing plan for financial growth stability and security will get my vote.

Its not that I don't care about local issues but the economic issue comrs first imo

well be prepared for no paycheck in the future then.

Sponge Bob

The reason they are so clientalist is because there are far too many of them. Reducing the Dáil to 120 TDs from 12 x 10 seater constitencies is a priority.

Reducing the cabinet and number of governmment departments to 10 + a Taoiseach another.

Keeping them in Dublin four days a week, not three like today, will automatically reduce the opportunities for funeral lurking....which they do friday to monday inclusive.

Then what is left can concentrate on NATIONAL government and NATIONAL opposition not on some parish level crap as they do now.

However in the CURRENT system the obsession with LOCAL politics will get 2 or 3 out of 5 of this lot elected and with the others having more of a NATIONAL profile.

Therefore it is the SYSTEM that needs changing......but this is not the place to discuss that under the current arrangements

Amhran Nua

dolphin city wrote: »

How do you think somebody gets to be a TD - its from what they do LOCALLY -

And therein lies the problem, that's how they get there, and that's how they stay there.

So if the TDs are fixated on local issues, and councillors are fixated on local issues, and everyone is fixated on local issues, who's looking after the national issues? In such a system, national policies might be decided by whichever vested interest had the loudest voice - in such a system political parties might only add policies as an afterthought, why we might have a leadership vaccum that doesn't matter because everyone is too busy making eyes at representatives for looking after their little spot.

There are other electoral systems, whch deal with the clientelism problem very well indeed. These systems are in the overwhelming majority internationally. Perhaps its time we adopted one of these systems.

dolphin city

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The reason they are so clientalist is because there are far too many of them. Reducing the Dáil to 120 TDs from 12 x 10 seater constitencies is a priority.

Reducing the cabinet and number of governmment departments to 10 + a Taoiseach another.

Keeping them in Dublin four days a week, not three like today, will automatically reduce the opportunities for funeral lurking....which they do friday to monday inclusive.

Then what is left can concentrate on NATIONAL government and NATIONAL opposition not on some parish level crap as they do now.

However in the CURRENT system the obsession with LOCAL politics will get 2 or 3 out of 5 of this lot elected and with the others having more of a NATIONAL profile.

Therefore it is the SYSTEM that needs changing......but this is not the place to discuss that under the current arrangements

I agree with you that the system needs a major overhaul, but you can get your life that it will be the same oul thing that will be voted in again this time round in the shape of fianna GALE. People need to grab this country by the goolies and go for MAJOR change and forget making sure france and germany is okay. Yes its going to be hard all round for a few years but it can be hard on our own terms or it can be hard on us being dictated to by others.

People need to finally stand up and be counted and vote for MAJOR change this time and look out for ourselves.

sadly I don't think we have the gumption. People are too brainwashed and thats just how they like it.

dolphin city

Amhran Nua wrote: »

And therein lies the problem, that's how they get there, and that's how they stay there.

So if the TDs are fixated on local issues, and councillors are fixated on local issues, and everyone is fixated on local issues, who's looking after the national issues? In such a system, national policies might be decided by whichever vested interest had the loudest voice - in such a system political parties might only add policies as an afterthought, why we might have a leadership vaccum that doesn't matter because everyone is too busy making eyes at representatives for looking after their little spot.

There are other electoral systems, whch deal with the clientelism problem very well indeed. These systems are in the overwhelming majority internationally. Perhaps its time we adopted one of these systems.

as I said, politics is local - you can't pick and choose - why are you going on about an outer bypass - don't you think thats local? Do you think people in other parts of Ireland are going to judge their voting on the outer bypass. no offence but you seem to be changing the goalposts as you go along.