New England Patriots thread (MOD WARNING - #4503)

Jolly Red Giant

TO. wrote: »

Came here looking for the New England Patriots thread and all I got was I hate Josh McDaniels and love the Broncos thread.

Please tell us again how much you hate him.

Don't hate McDaniels - don't know the guy personally, never met him and never will. I think that he was a disaster as HC of the Broncos.

The topic is relevant because McDaniels is being touted as the new HC of the Browns and Vikes. Pats fans suggested that he did better in Denver than is the accepted norm - in particular suggesting that because he drafted Thomas and Decker he was able to draft players. I disagree and gave my reasons.

If McDaniels does get a new HC job it will impact on the Pats (they will need a new OC) and it will impact on the team he takes over. The discussion is valid and belongs on the Pats thread.

Son Of A Vidic

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

If McDaniels does get a new HC job it will impact on the Pats (they will need a new OC)

Not really, there are two QB in the league that don't really need an OC and they are Tom and Peyton. We'll survive if he goes.

TO.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Don't hate McDaniels - don't know the guy personally, never met him and never will. I think that he was a disaster as HC of the Broncos.

Sure.

The topic is relevant because McDaniels is being touted as the new HC of the Browns and Vikes. Pats fans suggested that he did better in Denver than is the accepted norm - in particular suggesting that because he drafted Thomas and Decker he was able to draft players. I disagree and gave my reasons.

About 10% of what you wrote is relevant but like always your personal bias and repetitive opinion ruins gets in the way. Your nack for turning the conversation into a Broncos debate also gets in the way. This is the Pats thread not the Broncos telling us over and over about the Broncos is pointless at best.

If McDaniels does get a new HC job it will impact on the Pats (they will need a new OC) and it will impact on the team he takes over. The discussion is valid and belongs on the Pats thread.

You are missing my point but nothing strange there. McDaniels is relevant yes but how he ruined the Broncos is not.

But that aside the Pats won 3 Soup bowls without him so we will do alright without him

frostie500

This is going round in circles now lads. There was some good points made by both sides but at the end of the day you won't agree on it so lets draw it to a close. There's football to be played tonight so lets concentrate on that and the rest of the playoffs! There's the Black Monday thread so if we can keep all posts on coach hirings in that thread it would include all the posters on the forum rather than just those in the Pats thread

Son Of A Vidic

Lost in all the smoke was Blounts phenomenal performance against the Bills last Sunday. When Bills runs over a gives you a big man hug on the field and then gushes about you. You know you've played a damn fine game of football. Blount finished the season on 772 yards, 1 yard behind Ridley and both on 7 TD's. It's not inconceivable that both could have 1,000 yard seasons in 2014. I think both are incredibly complementary in their styles. Ridley is more a finesse runner and Blount is a bulldoze through you runner. There is a time and place for both, but it's just good to have them on the roster. A lot of credit must also go to our Fullback James Develin, he's a powerful old school style run blocker and he's played a very significant role in our run game this season. Sometimes I think he often gets overlooked.

Came across a this quote on the Pats FB page from Belichick...

"I think an assist on this one has to go to our assistant pro personnel director – Aqib Talib – who I talked to before we traded for LeGarrette & everything he said about him was absolutely right. He’s a good football player who loves to play, works hard and is a team player; great guy for the team in the locker room."

Fair play to Talib for giving Bill the heads up on Blount. The guy was spot on.

frostie500

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Lost in all the smoke was Blounts phenomenal performance against the Bills last Sunday. When Bills runs over a gives you a big man hug on the field and then gushes about you. You know you've played a damn fine game of football. Blount finished the season on 772 yards, 1 yard behind Ridley and both on 7 TD's. It's not inconceivable that both could have 1,000 yard seasons in 2014. I think both are incredibly complementary in their styles. Ridley is more a finesse runner and Blount is a bulldoze through you runner. There is a time and place for both, but it's just good to have them on the roster. A lot of credit must also go to our Fullback James Develin, he's a powerful old school style run blocker and he's played a very significant role in our run game this season. Sometimes I think he often gets overlooked.

Blount is a great player, I loved him at Orgegan (when he was on the field) and he was a bit unlucky that Dough Martin came out of nowhere last year when Blount was injured but he's a player that came straight into the league and was a 1000 yard back. In some ways he's similar to Marshawn Lynch in that he fell out of favour with his first team and was traded away because they feared him becoming a distraction only for both to show that they can be very productive and play a big role for their teams

Son Of A Vidic

Belichick made two inspirational trades in the last two seasons with the Buccs, Talib and Blount. Both have been great on the field and in the locker room with the team. They have flourished under the Pats disciplined team first, no divas allowed approach. Hopefully they'll both now get well deserved contracts at the end of the season.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Just finished watching the KC v Colts game.
Shows how important having the bye/rest week is.
That was KC's game only for the amount of injuries they picked up.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Hopefully they'll both now get well deserved contracts at the end of the season.

Hope Edelman is also rewarded.

kryogen

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Just finished watching the KC v Colts game.
Shows how important having the bye/rest week is.
That was KC's game only for the amount of injuries they picked up.

Was like watching the Pats out there!

Son Of A Vidic

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Hope Edelman is also rewarded.

I only mentioned the two lads there earlier because they were great value trades. But yes absolutely, I hope Edelman gets his well deserved reward. Especially with Edelman finally showing the durability we all hoped he could bring to his game. In 2014, I can see young Boyce developing into a more specialised slot role. And if Edelman stays, it makes you wonder what is the point in having Amendola. He's the highest paid WR on the roster. I think there could be a surprise coming in the offseason.

Utopia Parkway

Think the Pats would have preferred to face the ginger interception machine rather than Luck next week. That said the Colts defence is very bad apart from Mathis. If Alex Smith can slice it up then you have to think Brady will do similiar or worse.

Alfred Borden

Looking forward to the game next week boys, hopefully something similar to this :pac:

j8wk2feszrnpao

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Think the Pats would have preferred to face the ginger interception machine rather than Luck next week. That said the Colts defence is very bad apart from Mathis. If Alex Smith can slice it up then you have to think Brady will do similiar or worse.

I said last week that I though that Dalton was a very average QB. I was wrong, he's well below average. The talent is there in Cinci, but when your QB loses the plot, you are going to struggle.

The bye week is huge for us for guys to get some bit healthy.
I expect us to win, but Indy has a quality QB and will have no fears about playing in Gillette.

eagle eye

Odin Brief Watchband wrote: »

I said last week that I though that Dalton was a very average QB. I was wrong, he's well below average.

Completely disagree with this, as a matter of fact its an absolutely ridiculous, clueless statement.

TO.

eagle eye wrote: »

Completely disagree with this, as a matter of fact its an absolutely ridiculous, clueless statement.

To be fair that is your opinion and if he thinks Dalton is below average that is his call. He wouldn't be alone in thinking that either. Not that I agree with his view but Dalton's biggest issue is decision making and not finding the open man especially across the middle and this is most definitely making him look average at times.

I personally would have rather we got the Bengals over the Colts. We know what the Bengals have to offer and the Colts win could now be good solid momentum to take into Foxboro next weekend knowing we are beatable. Besides Andrew Luck is a lot better than Dalton and that Colts offense seems to be gaining confidence and getting better at the right time.

j8wk2feszrnpao

eagle eye wrote: »

Completely disagree with this, as a matter of fact its an absolutely ridiculous, clueless statement.

Oh, well if it's a 'fact' then I must be wrong.
Whatever....throw your insults, reflects well on you.

Utopia Parkway

eagle eye wrote: »

Completely disagree with this, as a matter of fact its an absolutely ridiculous, clueless statement.

In fairness I woudn't call Dalton below average as there are a lot of below average QB's in the NFL holding clipboards most weeks but it's not exactly a stretch to call him average.

davyjose

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

In fairness I woudn't call Dalton below average as there are a lot of below average QB's in the NFL holding clipboards most weeks but it's not exactly a stretch to call him average.

I definitely think its a bit harsh to say he's well below average, but there are a solid 10-15 QBs I'd have ahead of him.

eagle eye

Odin Brief Watchband wrote: »

Oh, well if it's a 'fact' then I must be wrong.
Whatever....throw your insults, reflects well on you.

You say he is well below average and I'm not even going to get into an argument with you on a good few starters who I think he is better than and where stats will back me but just tell me the following.....

If he is below average then how many of the following have you ahead of him? Gabbert, Henne, Weeden, Campbell, Glennon, Manuel, Lewis, Geno Smith, Schaub, Keenum, Palmer, Tannehill, Fitzpatrick, Locker, Cutler, McCown, Pryor, McGloin, Ponder, Cassel, Freeman.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

I definitely think its a bit harsh to say he's well below average, but there are a solid 10-15 QBs I'd have ahead of him.

I'd say 8-10 but there could be an argument over a few more in fairness but he is certainly not below average.

j8wk2feszrnpao

davyjose wrote: »

I definitely think its a bit harsh to say he's well below average, but there are a solid 10-15 QBs I'd have ahead of him.

Perhaps 'well below' is a bit harsh, so I'll recant my statement a bit.
So I'll cap it at below average and agree with you.
In my opinion there are approx 15 guys ahead of him, and others that could/should/would do better given the quality of that Cinci team.

j8wk2feszrnpao

eagle eye wrote: »

You say ........

I've no interest when you started with insults.

eagle eye

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I've no interest when you started with insults.

It wasn't an insult, it was just calling your statement what it was.

j8wk2feszrnpao

eagle eye wrote: »

It wasn't an insult, it was just calling your statement what it was.

Dude, let it go.

BizzyC

A lot of this game is going to come down to the pass protection for Brady.

Indy will score, we wont be able to rely on running alone, last thing we can handle is Brady being beat up by a 4 man rush.

j8wk2feszrnpao

BizzyC wrote: »

A lot of this game is going to come down to the pass protection for Brady.

Indy will score, we wont be able to rely on running alone, last thing we can handle is Brady being beat up by a 4 man rush.

It's really tough to call these games, as evidenced by the weekend.
We've have had 11 games this year (8 in 2012, 7 in 2011, and 5 in 2010) that were decided by less than a score, so it's likely to be close.
I say edge to the Pats, but the Colts will come with a great comeback under their belt.

Vanolder

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's really tough to call these games, as evidenced by the weekend.
We've have had 11 games this year (8 in 2012, 7 in 2011, and 5 in 2010) that were decided by less than a score, so it's likely to be close.
I say edge to the Pats, but the Colts will come with a great comeback under their belt.

Indy's comeback was good but it was facilitated by the Chiefs D being decimated by injuries as the game went on.... How many Ints did Luck give up? 3/4? The Chiefs could/should have been out of sight and I think Luck will throw up as many turnovers this weekend too, he has to be punished each time. They also gave up 44 points to Alex Smith at home! While Smith is probably better than most rate him, he aint no Brady... We will see how Indy go on a cold Foxborough night....With the a bye week, lets hope the secondary has healed up some bit.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Vanolder wrote: »

Indy's comeback was good but it was facilitated by the Chiefs D being decimated by injuries as the game went on.... How many Ints did Luck give up? 3/4? The Chiefs could/should have been out of sight and I think Luck will throw up as many turnovers this weekend too, he has to be punished each time. They also gave up 44 points to Alex Smith at home! While Smith is probably better than most rate him, he aint no Brady... We will see how Indy go on a cold Foxborough night....With the a bye week, lets hope the secondary has healed up some bit.

True, but our D could easily go down like the Chiefs did. Spikes, Talib, Arrington and Dennard appear to carrying injuries that could flare up at any time.
Luck started out poorly, but did come back very strongly and didn't let the deficit/INT's get him down; compare his play with that of Dalton who went to pieces.
Blount had a MVP game last time out, and we may need that again as we have tended to reply on Edelman making plays.
And how fit will our rookie WR's be for the game? They have almost been non factors for the last 5/6 games with injuries.

With TB12 and Bill we can win, but the issues we have suggest that it won't be easy.

Vanolder

munstermagic11 wrote: »

True, but our D could easily go down like the Chiefs did. Spikes, Talib, Arrington and Dennard appear to carrying injuries that could flare up at any time.
Luck started out poorly, but did come back very strongly and didn't let the deficit/INT's get him down; compare his play with that of Dalton who went to pieces.
Blount had a MVP game last time out, and we may need that again as we have tended to reply on Edelman making plays.
And how fit will our rookie WR's be for the game? They have almost been non factors for the last 5/6 games with injuries.

With TB12 and Bill we can win, but the issues we have suggest that it won't be easy.

Yeah, our run game needs to be at its best, and I think it will be, we have a good balance there... on the flip side, Indy don't have much of run game, and as seen by the Saints, Chargers, and both 49ers and packers, the run game goes a long way in the playoffs. The Pats have been in playoff mode nearly all season, coming back from adversity throughout, the same will continue on Saturday!! I refuse to focus on anything but the positives :pac: