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New England Patriots thread (MOD WARNING - #4503)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    I see Brady popped up with Peter King in his Monday Morning Quarterback column, to give a rare off season interview while promoting a favourite charity.

    On Matt Light's retirement.......
    "Matt called me a while ago and told me what he was planning to do, and I've called him every week since then trying to talk him out of it. He had such a great year for us. But there was no way I was going to be able to talk him out of it. He'll be a tough player to replace. But, you know, every year in this game, there's a lot of change.''

    When asked about how long he'll be around for.......
    “My wife [Gisele Bundchen] said to me, ‘When I met you [in 2006], you said you wanted to play 10 more years. How come that number never goes down?’ It’s that I love the game. I love the game. I’m going to play until they tell me they don’t want me anymore.''

    Oh yes God Tom, please do. I'll be happy if you give us at least another 5 seasons. Just stay healthy and protect your knees.


    When King asked him about Belichik.......
    "I just met with coach Belichick this morning and I still feel like I’m in my first year trying to prove myself. There’s no entitlement around coach Belichick. I’ve got to be the best guy for him to keep playing me. When I’m not, someone else will play.”

    And there is his ingredient for greatness, always trying to please the coach and improve himself. No resting on his laurels and no diva bullshít, aren't we so lucky to have him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    God, whenever I read a Tom Brady interview I just start blushing and giggling like a school girl. What a man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Gotta say Peter King is unbearable when he talks about Brady. He does little to hide his Boston roots.
    Brady is a legend obv with what he said though itll be interesting to see how things pan out. BB wont give him more than 3 more years IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,434 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    davyjose wrote: »
    Gotta say Peter King is unbearable when he talks about Brady. He does little to hide his Boston roots.
    Brady is a legend obv with what he said though itll be interesting to see how things pan out. BB wont give him more than 3 more years IMO.
    As Brady said in the interview, as long as he is the best available to Belchick he will be the starter. As soon as Belichick feels he is not good enough he will bench him. That could be this season or it could be in 5 years, we won't know until it happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    davyjose wrote: »
    Gotta say Peter King is unbearable when he talks about Brady. He does little to hide his Boston roots.
    Brady is a legend obv with what he said though itll be interesting to see how things pan out. BB wont give him more than 3 more years IMO.

    Never a big fan of King myself. He is unbearable about a lot of things. I did listen to the interview though and Brady himself was excellent even if you ignore King.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    davyjose wrote: »
    Gotta say Peter King is unbearable when he talks about Brady. He does little to hide his Boston roots.
    Brady is a legend obv with what he said though itll be interesting to see how things pan out. BB wont give him more than 3 more years IMO.

    lol i always think he has a biased opinion on the Patriots...but that he hates them.

    He doenst like BB and i think he always has a go at him whenever he gets the chance. BB hates him also, he refuses to do interviews with him or acknowledge his presence in press conferences. So this is probably where his anti-Pats vibe comes from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    davyjose wrote: »
    BB wont give him more than 3 more years IMO.

    I wouldn't hold my breath on that one tbh. Just look at his stats for 2011 - 5235 Yards - 39 TD's - 401 Comp - 611 Att - 65.6% Pct :eek:. The guy is just on a different level, so 3 years might be just a bit too soon imo. Providing he stays healthy of course, because he still has the hunger and the drive. Belichick knows Brady well enough to know that he is a perfectionist. So I have know doubt Brady will know himself when it's time to retire. I just really can't see him doing a Favre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Aye Hazys. Peyton is the same with him. Maybe King has his favourites regardless of team but his man-love for Brady is palpable.

    Corvis, never say never. BB is a tough old nut. Look at how Brady got the job. Bledsoe was a legend before TB came along. Brady had a magic season, but a surprising lack of accuracy* in the playoffs. Hes still easily elite. Eye-poppingly good. But 3 years from now who knows.

    *By his own crazy-high standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    davyjose wrote: »
    Corvis, never say never. BB is a tough old nut. Look at how Brady got the job. Bledsoe was a legend before TB came along. Brady had a magic season, but a surprising lack of accuracy* in the playoffs. Hes still easily elite. Eye-poppingly good. But 3 years from now who knows.

    *By his own crazy-high standards.

    I see your point and it could very well happen, but I like to believe it won't. Yes Bledsoe has a special place in the hearts of Pats fans. But Brady and Belichick have a unique partnership, that's been forged through 5 Superbowl trips. We had no right to get to the a Superbowl in February, but Brady got us there. His Championship winning TD leap against the Ravens said a lot to me about his hunger. Very few QB's would risk themselves like that. Throwing his body into the firing line was pure will to win. I don't know how his back wasn't snapped in half, with that hard tackle to his mid spine as he was upside down. Even Ray Lewis was cooing about Brady after the game.

    Brady's good friend Wes Welker addressed this topic yesterday on WEEI Sports radio, when he was asked can he see Brady playing for another decade he said..
    “There's no doubt in my mind, Tom in every decision he makes, in everything he does. You know from what he drinks to what he eats, to his travelling schedule, everything is centered around football, everything. It's almost like an illness or something. Every decision he makes is focused around making him a better football player. I commend him on it because it's not easy to eat the way he does or train the way he does and do the things he needs to do to make him a better player. Especially in his position, he doesn't have to but he just loves Football.''

    I must admit that when Brady completed his new home in LA. I thought he might pack it in when his contract was up. But looking at Welker's comments yesterday, it's pretty clear the guy clearly still lives and breathes football. I think Brady will be long gone before Belichick even thinks about pushing him. He'll know himself when to step off the stage. He's been a record breaker his whole career and I wouldn't be surprised if he sets a longevity record as a top QB.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/wes-welker-signs-his-franchise-tender/

    ****ing on about it being a leap of faith on twitter, shoud go **** himself, would kill for a 9.6 million leap of faith


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    mayordenis wrote: »
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/wes-welker-signs-his-franchise-tender/

    ****ing on about it being a leap of faith on twitter, shoud go **** himself, would kill for a 9.6 million leap of faith

    You are taking him out of context. Welker wants a long term deal and the leap of faith thing is based on getting a long term deal after this season when the tender runs up. And to be fair he is worth more to us than the Franchise tender and has every reason to feel aggrieved by such a small contract.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Masked Man


    Gronk turns 23 today. I forget sometimes just how young him and Hernandez are.

    Also that is a leap of faith. He shouldn't "go **** himself". He's worth a lot more than that and is taking a risk by signing that tender. And thank god he did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    mayordenis wrote: »
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/wes-welker-signs-his-franchise-tender/

    ****ing on about it being a leap of faith on twitter, shoud go **** himself, would kill for a 9.6 million leap of faith

    Well that's exactly what it is - a leap of faith. He's taken the franchise tag with no long term contract offer on the table and that is a leap of faith if nothing else. He is right to look for long term security and he hasn't got it yet from the front office. As Coach rightly said, he certainly is worth a lot more than $9.6 million dollars to the Patriots. Listening to him speaking during the WEEI Sports radio interview yesterday, you could hear his desire to get back into training with his buddies. So I'm not surprised to see he has now signed up today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    Delighted Wes has signed. Josh with a full offseason to work with Brady, Wes, Lloyd and the Twins, I keep saying it but our offence next season has me as excited as I've ever been in looking forward to any sport.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    Welker's latest interview. Take from it what you will :D

    http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/20220517wes_welker_contract_talks_with_pats_have_gotten_worse/srvc=home&position=6
    Wes Welker knows he’s given up all his leverage when it comes to prying a longterm contract out of the . That was the trade-off for signing his $9.5 million franchise tender so early and reporting for work.

    According to the Pro Bowl receiver, his decision wasn’t made because there’s been progress in the negotiations, or he’s been encouraged a new deal is on the horizon. If anything, talks have gone in the opposite direction, Welker told the Herald today in an exclusive phone interview. “There have been talks, but nothing that’s brightened anything at all,” Welker said. “It’s actually gotten worse.”

    When asked to define “worse,” Welker said the offer on the table is less than the two-year, $16 million fully guaranteed contract that was offered to him during the 2011 regular season.

    So why would he agree to the tender now?
    Welker said he opted to sign the one-year tag because in the end, even though he may have been advised to stay away from camp, that’s who he is and how he goes about his business.

    “(Organized team activities) are about to start. The team’s all getting together. You get all these months off and everything else. I don’t know, you’re just kind of bored,” Welker said. “You want to be up on the field. You want to be up there competing and trying to get better. You kind of miss it. You want to be out there. It’s kind of hard. You’re getting told to do this, this, or that. You’re getting all this information. You don’t really know who to believe or what to go with. I think at the end of the day for me, if I go out there and keep playing great football like I have been for the past five years, eventually, it’ll pay off.

    “If they see me out there at OTAs and minicamps and everything else, and I’m still out there winning and doing what I need to do to help the team win, you know what, the ball’s in their court to make something happen,” Welker continued. “That’s kind of my mindset. To go out and show them I deserve it.”
    Welker acknowledged attempting a harder-line stance last month, openly threatening the possibility of a holdout at mandatory camps, but ultimately decided that wasn’t the right way to go.

    “I think those techniques work better with other teams. I think the best thing you can do, as far as the Patriots, is be there and let them make the decision if they want to do something longterm or not,” said Welker, who indicated he planned on being at OTAs late next week. “Obviously, I want to be there. I want to help the team win. I want a championship and all those things. I’m trying to do everything to make that happen, and I’ll let everything else take care of itself.”

    So, Welker, who is holding his annual Old Spice football clinic at Bishop Fenwick this weekend, is really making a “leap of faith” as he put it on his Twitter feed. If it doesn’t work out, he’s prepared to live with the consequences.

    “The ball’s in their court. I just want to play,” he said. “At the end of the day, if it’s one year, $9.5 million, it’s one year, $9.5 million. I’m good with that.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    If there's one thing Welker should know by now, it's the Patriots style of contract negotiations. Nobody is bigger than the team and nobody gets the prima dona treatment. Brady, Wilfork and Mankins all had tough contract negotiations. The team is the bottom line, while Welker is naturally worried about his own long term future. Next year we will have Gronk and Hernandez coming to the end of their contracts. So the bigger picture/team has to be budgeted for and accounted for.

    We all know the Patriots like to keep their negotiations private, Welker should know this and zip it really. But it could be too late, because his recent public utterances probably have not gone down too well at Patriot Place. I wouldn't surprise me if this ended up being his last season as a Patriot tbh. The Boston Globe said the following earlier.....
    According to a team source, Welker’s decision to go public in recent weeks about negotiations has not gone over well with the Patriots; two weeks ago, when he made appearances on various ESPN programs, he made reference to holding out at least through full-team minicamp next month. His words have only increased the chances that 2012 will be his final season with the team.

    http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/05/17/wes-welker-doesn-see-progress-contract-talks-with-patriots/eedUCrDDcEYNot2c9Z5oVJ/story.html

    When rookie Jeremy Ebert signed, I immediately saw a successor to Welker. The Patriots were clearly looking to the future when they landed him. He could be as effective in the Slot role, but looking at his greater height and speed I think he could offer more than that in the long term. Putting his Pro day stats side by side with Welker's, Ebert's numbers are much more impressive.

    Wide receiver Jeremy Ebert, who was not invited to the combine, worked out as if he should have been. Ebert ran a 4.38-second 40-yard dash, bench pressed 225 pounds 16 times and looked smooth in his route running and receiving. The performance had scouts buzzing and should help Ebert's draft stock.

    "Not getting invited to the combine kind of hurt, but I showed up today and showed them what I can do," Ebert said.

    "I've been told it's a very deep group of inside slot receivers this year," Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald said. "I would put him up there with any of them. We think he's faster than maybe some people think based on watching tape."

    In positional work, Ebert was on the receiving end of a beautiful 50-yard bomb from Dan Persa. Ebert caught the pass with his back to the quarterback and his arms outstretched.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-08/sports/ct-spt-0309-northwestern-football--20120309_1_dan-persa-drake-dunsmore-northwestern-coach-pat

    Northewestern is very much of the radar and tends to be overlooked by a lot of NFL scouts. Ebert's a talented kid who could have been picked higher up the Draft. So whether he steps into Welkers shoes next season or in 3 years time, only time will tell really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    When rookie Jeremy Ebert signed, I immediately saw a successor to Welker. The Patriots were clearly looking to the future when they landed him. He could be as effective in the Slot role, but looking at his greater height and speed I think he could offer more than that in the long term. Putting his Pro day stats side by side with Welker's, Ebert's numbers are much more impressive.




    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-08/sports/ct-spt-0309-northwestern-football--20120309_1_dan-persa-drake-dunsmore-northwestern-coach-pat

    Northewestern is very much of the radar and tends to be overlooked by a lot of NFL scouts. Ebert's a talented kid who could have been picked higher up the Draft. So whether he steps into Welkers shoes next season or in 3 years time, only time will tell really.

    Am I the only one sick of listening to the Welker thing? He does deserve a better contract but its tiring at this point listening to and watching the reports about it. Whether he is being a bitch or making sense its about time the media find someone else to follow.

    I LOVE Ebert. Have to be honest I didn't think anyone would take a shot on him though although I was a big fan of his through college. A friend of mine coached in the Ohio school districts and told me about him back in 2009 and I kept an eye on his career. Extremely sharp WR, perfect in slot and has bags of potential in the Pros if he picks it up quickly. With the competition he has in camp its a great opportunity to improve himself and get better behind the quality we have. Really hope he works out. Think I even had him in my Boards College FF. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    CoachTO wrote: »
    Am I the only one sick of listening to the Welker thing? He does deserve a better contract but its tiring at this point listening to and watching the reports about it. Whether he is being a bitch or making sense its about time the media find someone else to follow.

    Yes, I'm sick of it to. He should really know how the Pats conduct their business at this stage. I'm happy enough for him to play under the franchise tag for 2012 and maybe extend it next year, depending on his performance/injuries ect, ect.
    CoachTO wrote: »
    I LOVE Ebert. Have to be honest I didn't think anyone would take a shot on him though although I was a big fan of his through college. A friend of mine coached in the Ohio school districts and told me about him back in 2009 and I kept an eye on his career. Extremely sharp WR, perfect in slot and has bags of potential in the Pros if he picks it up quickly.

    It was a great 2012 Draft with the defensive strengthening. But the Ebert draft capped it off perfectly. I was hoping we'd pick up one young receiver before the end. So I was delighted with the Ebert move. To be honest, I never really heard of the guy before then. I do remember seeing a couple of wildcat TD's a while back, that I only realised after the Draft was actually him. I really like the guy and his production speaks for itself. Northwestern college have a very strong academic programme, so Ebert should have a good brain to help him digest the complex offensive play book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    The Boston Globe reported on Friday that a Patriot source said his recent public comments regarding his contract situation, have not been well-received by the Patriots.

    During a Football clinic for his foundation yesterday, he immediately backtracked on Thursdays comments and tried to do some damage limitation when he spoke to reporters.
    "That was probably a bad choice of words, saying they've gotten worse, They've pretty much -- they've stayed the same. I'm franchised for the year and I'm completely happy with that."

    When a reporter also asked him have there been contract talks recently, Welker deferred comment, stating...
    "I have people to handle discussions with the Patriots. I'll keep that between my agent and the Patriots and whatever they do for me, I just stay out of it as much as I can and just focus on what I can do to help the team win."

    Now that's a lot better and a bit more Patriot like Wes. So just keep it up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    Just when you think the Welker thing is going away good old Bob Kraft to throw fuel on the fire as he always does:

    http://boston.sbnation.com/new-england-patriots/2012/5/22/3036554/2012-new-england-patriots-offseason-nfl-free-agency-rumors-wes-welker-robert-kraft
    Wes Welker and the New England Patriots have been involved in a little bit of a contract standoff since he signed a franchise tender last week. On Tuesday, team owner Robert Kraft said he would like to keep Welker a "Patriot for life," but only if a deal makes sense for the club.
    "Well we'd like to see him be a Patriot for life but it takes two sides," Kraft told Kim Jones of NFL Network Tuesday at the league meetings in Atlanta. "We're just happy he's back in the system. He's a wonderful young man, and a special guy. I think both sides would like to do a deal, but it requires intelligence and putting our team first."
    Welker has made some public comments about being unhappy with the negotiations, but Kraft said there are no hard feelings within the organization.
    "Anyone can say whatever they want. He's done a great job for us, we're always trying to do whatever we can do to put our team in the best position to win, that means balancing a lot of things, understanding what the cap is, what the cap growth is, how things fit in the system and we try to have values for every position and every player," Kraft said.

    I do agree with a lot of what he says though.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    CoachTO wrote: »
    Just when you think the Welker thing is going away good old Bob Kraft to throw fuel on the fire as he always does:

    http://boston.sbnation.com/new-england-patriots/2012/5/22/3036554/2012-new-england-patriots-offseason-nfl-free-agency-rumors-wes-welker-robert-kraft


    I do agree with a lot of what he says though.

    Same here. I love Wes but i cant see us giving a massive contract to a 31yr old receiver again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Kraft is absolutely spot on, the team must and should always come first. As fans, sometimes we have to put the emotions aside. Wes has given great service and great production, but the Pats are not going to pay him for what he has done in the past. That's water under the bridge now, they have to estimate what value he can bring to the team for the next 2-3 seasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,434 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    God, whenever I read a Tom Brady interview I just start blushing and giggling like a school girl. What a man.
    Its ok JaMarcus you are not alone.:D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,434 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I was listening to Matt Light on NFL network. He really came across very well, was thinking the guy might even have a future in color commentary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Its ok JaMarcus you are not alone.:D


    I'm memorising those lyrics for the new season. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    I'm memorising those lyrics for the new season. :D

    I couldn't watch lasted 30secs and had to shut it off. Im sure the words are awesome but the dude singing......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    CoachTO wrote: »
    I couldn't watch lasted 30secs and had to shut it off. Im sure the words are awesome but the dude singing......

    I must admit being off for the week and excessive late beers does help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    OTA's continuing again today at Gillette and some worrying reports on Ocho. Christopher Price of WEEI.com reporting on Twitter...
    Ocho forced to run penalty lap after jumping the count, and on another play, had to be redirected by Branch as to where to line up pre-snap.

    https://twitter.com/capeleaguer/status/205696544333246464

    Not looking good Ocho, your excuse last year was the lock out and late exposure to the play book. No excuses now I'm afraid, he needs to seriously step up if he's gonna make the roster. Personally I can't see it happening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    OTA's continuing again today at Gillette and some worrying reports on Ocho. Christopher Price of WEEI.com reporting on Twitter...



    https://twitter.com/capeleaguer/status/205696544333246464

    Not looking good Ocho, your excuse last year was the lock out and late exposure to the play book. No excuses now I'm afraid, he needs to seriously step up if he's gonna make the roster. Personally I can't see it happening.

    Wow, its seems he still cant get the offense...it doesnt look good for 85


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,434 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    From today's open practice.
    So, with that backdrop, a few intentionally vague thoughts after watching practice:
    There was a lot of teaching going on, which is what these OTAs are designed for. But it wasn’t only the coaches. Players were helping other players. Saw Vince Wilfork showing Jermaine Cunningham the finer points of leverage during a drill. Jerod Mayo was helping Dont’a Hightower. The safeties were doing a lot of talking amongst themselves.

    The secondary seems to have a bunch of moving parts with different players playing in different groupings, though there appeared to be a solid core (which we can’t report).
    Devin McCourty was at cornerback.
    It seemed clear to me that CB Ras-I Dowling, who went on IR last year after hip surgery, is working his way back from the ground floor. He appeared to be lacking some reps and when he was on the field, he didn’t possess the same explosiveness that we saw early last season that got him immediately in the lineup. He appeared very stiff and lacked fluidity. On a couple of occasions he was easily beaten down the field. But it’s very, very early and he may need some easing back.
    Another thing that really jumped out was the S Josh Barrett was noticeably slimmer, which is something that needed to happen. I thought Barrett was way too big last year — he almost looked like a linebacker — and that often showed up in his play when he had trouble changing direction. Maybe Barrett hasn’t lost weight, but it sure looked like he has changed his body — and for the better.
    Dan Connolly was the top center, even missing both guards and one tackle. To me, that reinforces that it’s his job to lose against Dan Koppen — unless injuries prove such a problem closer to the season that the team is better off moving Connolly to guard to given them a “best five.”
    None of the rookies just assumed a starting role. That’s no surprise at all. But Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower and Tavon Wilson appeared to not be far off from being in the mix.
    Not much jumped out about Jones that we didn’t already know. He’s learning his way around this defense. Same with Jake Bequette.
    Somewhat surprised Hightower ran solely with the linebackers. Figured he might get some DE work, but he could be working on different things in other practices.
    LB Bobby Carpenter was on the field a lot.
    Jonathan Fanene looked bigger than I guess I pictured. Patriots have some bulk inside with Wilfork, Kyle Love, Fanene, Brandon Deaderick, Gerard Warren, Myron Pryor, Marcus Harrison, Marcus Fortson and Ron Brace. A lot of competition there again in this camp, just like last year.
    Josh McDaniels’s spin on the offense was noticeable and there was a lot of carryover from what he did in Denver. Probably didn’t help things that Aaron Hernandez was the only real tight end on the field (aside from UDFA Brad Herman, who was playing with a limp).
    WR Chad Ochocinco seemed to pickup where he left off. Deion Branch had to tell him where to line up at one point, and then Ochocinco went offsides and had to run a lap.
    WR Wes Welker had an uneven day catching the ball. (Hurry, somebody go write that he’s being distracted by contract talks! Kidding.) Did find it a little amusing that at one point Brady threw a pass to Welker in the seam that was reminiscent of the Super Bowl play. Brady threw it high — but slightly to the inside this time — and Welker snagged this one while leaving his feet.
    WR Brandon Lloyd looks like he’s been living in his offense for a while — which he has in Denver and St. Louis — and a natural. He catches everything with ease. Can definitely see what scouts said -- not a burner but a long strider who can cover ground -- about him.
    There were not many “wow” moments for anybody today. Not a whole lot stood out. There were on a few sessions of 7-on-7.
    Ryan Mallett underthrew a ball and was picked off by Marquice Cole. Mallett didn’t look sharp. Brian Hoyer was on his game. Cole played a lot of gunner on punt team.
    Brady seemed solid. Nothing outrageously good or bad. The one thing that stood out was his rapport with this group. With Jabar Gaffney and Donte’ Stalloworth returning, it had a “getting the band back together” feel. The WRs were having a lot of fun being around each other.
    There was a lot of sub package defensive working happening. Don't know if that's an everyday thing, or just for today.
    http://articles.boston.com/2012-05-24/sports/31840846_1_practice-report-comments-patriots/2
    1. Second-year CB Ras-I Dowling, who was limited to two games in 2011, was a full participant after undergoing hip surgery. I watched him closely as he lined up across from WR Brandon Lloyd, and one thing you immediately notice is his size. This amateur scout also felt he was moving well, running stride for stride with the speedy Lloyd at one point.

    2. Spent a lot of time watching the offensive line, and while noting it's very, very early, I was interested to see how the center position would be handled. Dan Connolly lined up there, followed by Dan Koppen. That's what was expected based on the contracts signed by each -- Connolly received a three-year deal with a $3.25 million signing bonus, while Koppen received a two-year deal with a $350,000 signing bonus-- but that's been Koppen's job since 2003. The Patriots usually like their backup linemen to have position versatility (e.g. center and guard) and Koppen has only played center, so his spot on the roster could be something to monitor in training camp.

    3. With TEs Rob Gronkowski and Daniel Fells not taking part in the OTA, the position group was thin, so DE Alex Silvestro took some reps there. At one point in practice, he stood side by side with tight ends coach George Godsey, going over what was taking place in front of him. A possible position switch, or just filling in due to the absence of others? Another question to be answered in the weeks to come.

    4. Some have wondered about WR Deion Branch's spot on the roster, given the number of receivers brought in. After watching today's OTA, my thought on that would be "not so fast." Still looks quick and Tom Brady was commending him at one point for a sharply run route. I could envision a scenario where having an outside receiver like Brandon Lloyd might help put Branch in better positions to maximize his skills, as he works some more on the inside.

    5. Fun to watch WR Brandon Lloyd. Lining up on the outside, with his speed, it is easy to see that he can add a different dimension that this offense didn't have in 2011.

    6. Didn't get to lock in too much on the young running backs -- Shane Vereen and Stevan Ridley -- but from an eye-test perspective it looked like Vereen was in good condition and perhaps a bit bigger than he was in 2011.

    7. Second-year offensive lineman Marcus Cannon has position flexibility -- either as a guard or tackle -- and I saw him primarily at right tackle in this session. He lined up in Sebastian Vollmer's spot.

    8. With some of the top offensive linemen not present, a group including Sebastian Vollmer, Logan Mankins and Brian Waters, this was a good chance to watch some of the young linemen. Ryan Wendell lined up at right guard, in Waters' spot.

    9. Veteran Robert Gallery lined up at left guard, in Logan Mankins' spot.

    10. Owner Robert Kraft came out to watch the OTA toward the end.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4722750/cleaning-out-the-ota-notebook


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Love this shot from Thursday's OTA. For the first time since 2008, The Holy Trinity (Brady, Belichick and McDaniels) are back together for the start of the season. Exciting times await us :D.

    bos_u_brady1x_576.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    ^ The fact Bill and Josh aren't watching makes me think that wasn't even during drills, Tom just decided to throw a few shapes for the camera :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    ^ The fact Bill and Josh aren't watching makes me think that wasn't even during drills, Tom just decided to throw a few shapes for the camera :)

    I suspect he's trying to find Ocho, who is probably still running his route in the car park. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    Anthony Gonzalez gone. 1 WR down, several hundred to go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    Anthony Gonzalez gone. 1 WR down, several hundred to go.

    Not the same WR ever since injury. No surprise they offloaded him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,434 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    And hot on the heels of that comes this article
    The New England Patriots announced the signings of unrestricted free agent OL Jamey Richard, rookie free agent TE Nick Melillo and seventh-round draft choice DB Alfonzo Dennard. In addition, the Patriots released WR Anthony Gonzalez.

    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - The New England Patriots announced the signings of unrestricted free agent OL Jamey Richard, rookie free agent TE Nick Melillo and seventh-round draft choice DB Alfonzo Dennardicon-article-link.gif. Terms of the contracts were not announced.

    In addition, the Patriots released WR Anthony Gonzalezicon-article-link.gif.

    Richard, 27, is a veteran of four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts after joining the Colts as a seventh-round draft pick (236th overall) in 2008 out of the University of Buffalo. The 6-foot-5 inch, 295 pounder has played in 48 regular season games with 11 starts. He has also played in four postseason games, including Super Bowl XLIV when the Colts played the Saints. Richard has played center and guard during his career. Last season, he played in nine games as a reserve and on special teams.

    Melillo, 23, is a rookie free agent from Kentucky. The 6-foot-2 inch, 226 pounder played in 32 games over the last three seasons for Kentucky after transferring from Lindenwood University. He played in 32 games and caught 23 passes for 240 yards with one touchdown during his Kentucky career.

    Dennard, 22, was selected by the Patriots in the seventh round of the 2012 NFL Draft with the 224th pick overall. The 5-10, 205-pound defensive back from Nebraska was named the 2011 Big Ten Defensive Back of the Year and First-Team All-Big Ten after his senior season. Last season, Dennard started in all 10 games that he played and finished the year with 31 total tackles and six passes defensed. After playing in all 12 games as a true freshman in 2008, he moved into the starting lineup early in the year as a sophomore in 2009.

    Gonzalez, 27, was signed by the Patriots as an unrestricted free agent from Indianapolis on March 17, 2012. He was drafted by the Indianapolis Colts in the first round of the 2007 NFL Draft out of Ohio State. In five seasons with the Colts, the 6-foot, 193-pound wide receiver started 12 of 40 games and had 99 career receptions for 1,307 yards and seven touchdowns.
    http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Patriots-Sign-Three-Release-WR-Anthony-Gonzalez/5f989dfe-0b37-4134-becf-7332ba16c71b


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    Jesus EE, I thought that was a list of other players cut. I saw Dennard's name and started to panic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Jesus EE, I thought that was a list of other players cut. I saw Dennard's name and started to panic!

    He's being arraigned tomorrow and has pleaded not guilty to the charge of third-degree assault of a police officer. I'm not an expert on the American judicial system, but I think once pleas are entered a preliminary hearing date is then set. Evidence is then heard - which may or may not proceed to a full trial???? Feel free to correct me there if I'm wrong.

    Read this piece on Dennard a couple of days ago.....
    The opening chapter of Alfonzo Dennard's NFL career was written before he even knew what team's jersey he would wear.

    On April 21, just five days before the 2012 NFL draft, Dennard was arrested and charged with third-degree felony assault of a police officer after allegedly striking an officer outside of a bar in Lincoln, Neb.

    Alfonzo Dennard was someone coach Bo Pelini used as an example of success during his time at Nebraska.
    He was in the news for the wrong reasons leading up to one of the most important days of his life, and his draft stock plummeted. It wasn't until the final round, on the third day of the draft, that the New England Patriots selected the former Nebraska Cornhuskers cornerback.

    While the NFL decision-makers clearly have their reservations about Dennard in light of his arrest, two coaches who know the 22-year-old well paint a different picture.

    "That isn't who he is, that's never been who he is, and that's not going to be who he is in the future," Nebraska coach Bo Pelini said. "And I put my reputation, and I put everything I stand for as a football coach behind that young man.

    "He is a tremendous young man, and one who you want not only representing you as a football player, but the type of kid you want in your community, the type of kid you want representing your organization," Pelini continued.

    "For four years, I didn't have a problem with that young man in any way. He did things exactly how we asked him to do them here, and the way we handle our kids, we don't make it easy on the kids in our program. We hold them to high standards every single day."

    Dennard earned 2011 Big Ten defensive back of the year honors, and became a player that Pelini guided his underclassmen toward as an example of how to become successful.

    "We had some young [defensive backs] on our football team last year, and he was kind of the veteran guy, and I told them all, 'You just follow what Alfonzo does and you'll be fine. You just follow his lead and you do as he does.' He prepares the right way. He handles himself on the field and off the field the right way."

    Leading others is a role Dennard has embraced since his days as a high school star at Wilcox County High School in Rochelle, Ga.

    His coach there, Mark Ledford, knew Dennard was a special athlete dating back to the eighth grade, when none of Dennard's classmates could knock him out in a game of dodge ball during physical education class.

    By ninth grade, Dennard was playing an important role on the football team, and was a catalyst behind the program's rise to state prominence.

    A year later, his teammates voted him a captain.

    Ledford recalled a game early in his junior season when Dennard, who was a captain for the second year in a row, suggested that he allow a senior (who had not been voted a captain) to march out to the middle of the field for the pregame coin toss. The selfless act became a pregame fixture, Dennard offering his spot to a senior he believed was deserving.

    It turns out Dennard, years later, is still making his mark back home. In early June, he will host a basketball tournament at his high school, during which proceeds will be raised to benefit local college-bound student-athletes.

    The event has been in the works for nearly a year, and it stems from Dennard's desire to help out the community he grew up in, Ledford said.

    Dennard was raised in a single-parent household in Wilcox County and has recently reconnected with his absent father, which Ledford describes as a "a great thing" and "something that Alfonzo has initiated because he wants his dad in his life."

    Throughout his high school experience, Ledford -- whose team has won 10 or more games in five straight seasons, an accomplishment he said is due in large part to the contributions of Dennard's senior class -- served in an advisory role to the star of his team. He said that he learned part of being a successful coach is developing a relationship with his players, and that he would "do anything" for Dennard.

    Ledford's son, now 12, began idolizing Dennard around the age of 6, and the two have maintained a relationship the coach describes as a brotherly dynamic. No matter the situation -- even before or after a big game -- Dennard replies to Ledford's son's text messages.

    That personality and character was something that Pelini said Bill Belichick learned about during the predraft process, when he met with Dennard in Lincoln.

    Both coaches believe that New England is the perfect fit for Dennard, with Pelini noting that the Nebraska football program shares many of the same values and beliefs that Belichick has instituted for the Patriots.

    They both also acknowledged that Dennard put himself in a situation with his arrest that he should have never been in. His case remains ongoing (he is due to be arraigned on May 30), and Dennard will have to handle potential legal sanctions as a result of it.

    But no matter the outcome, Ledford remains behind the player who has stayed true to his roots years after leaving Georgia.

    "The kid has overcome every obstacle that has ever been in front of him, and I have full confidence that he will overcome this, because he always has," he said.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7953860/new-england-patriots-draft-pick-alfonzo-dennard-supporters

    He seems like a real good kid, so what ever allegedly happened must have been way out of character. I don't doubt at all that he will repay the faith Belichick has put in him. His talent is beyond question and I think in time, he will develop into a dominant defensive presence. It's another reason why it's great to have a head coach like Belichick. When other teams ignored Dennard, perhaps judging him superficially. Belichick looks at the bigger picture with players, judging their true qualities like their character and leadership ect.


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    He's being arraigned tomorrow and has pleaded not guilty to the charge of third-degree assault of a police officer. I'm not an expert on the American judicial system, but I think once pleas are entered a preliminary hearing date is then set. Evidence is then heard - which may or may not proceed to a full trial????

    From watching Series 1-5 of The Practice, you are correct :pac:

    The preliminary hearing will determine probable cause and evidence will be listed and the methods used to get the evidence.

    Issues with warrants for example can get it kicked out

    Dennard punched a police officer so there will be no preliminary hearing here, he waived it.
    To ask for it would be pointless and only piss off the court

    Extremely unlikely this goes to trial, most cases never make it to court.
    He'll plead out on something and take it over the summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    I caught the Brady interview on WEEI Sports Radio yesterday. You can hear it here...http://audio.weei.com/a/57145365/tom-brady-on-super-bowl-loss-i-could-pick-a-lot-of-plays-in-that-game-i-could-have-done-better.htm

    This is the Football related summary of it.

    Thoughts on the intentional grounding play and missed pass to Wes Welker in the Super Bowl:

    Brady: “Anytime you don’t do exactly what you hope to do you regret them and you lay in bed at night thinking about every play you could have done a little bit better on, so I can pick a lot of plays in that game that I wish I could have done a better job with.”

    On moving past the Super Bowl loss to the Giants:

    Brady: “I think that’s the fun part about starting the OTA process is you really start looking forward at that point, so for all of us you suffer a tough end to the season, and unless you win it all it’s a tough end to the season, but you’ve got those months in there where what you do is you think about the past and you think about what you can do better in your training, and once we start practicing it’s a different team. We’ve got a different group of guys, different mix of talents and we’ve got to see what we can put on the field. It’s been fun being back to work and seeing everybody together and getting on the field and running football plays because it really forces you to move forward. And I think everyone’s done that at this point.”

    When was asked about incorporating new receivers into the offense.

    “It’s different with different players. There’s a lot of things that go into being a good player, especially on our team. Coach [Bill] Belichick always tells us it’s not an easy program that he runs. Some guys come from other teams, and maybe they’re not really held as accountable on a daily basis, but Coach Belichick – if I throw an incompletion, I’m going to hear about it. I think guys come, maybe they’ve been in the league for a while, and they’re like ‘Why is he always yelling? Why is he so tough on us?’ He just tries to keep the pressure on us, because he feels that’s the way that he gets the most out of us.

    I think that you can tell relatively early the way that a guy responds to that type of coaching, you can look in his eyes in the huddle and see how confident and comfortable he is in what you’re asking him to do. Sometimes you get in the huddle and I’m looking at the guy and he’s looking at me, and he’s got this expression on his face like, ‘Oh God, what’s the play? Am I going to know where to go? Am I going to know how to do it? Am I going to be able to do what the coaches are asking me to do?’ Some guys you know right away, some guys it takes a couple of months. Obviously it can’t take forever.

    This is a performance-based business, if you’re not on the field performing and helping the team win, you’re not going to be around long, you can’t just think that you’re going to have two redshirt seasons and then you’re going to be the second string behind the fourth-year senior and then you’re going to get your chance to play. You’re going to have to establish your own role for yourself. If you don’t, you’re not going to be in this business very long.”


    On getting accustomed to a new group of wide receivers:

    Brady: “I’m very familiar with Jabar [Gaffney] and Donte [Stallworth] and Brandon [Llyod’s] going into a 10th year so he’s really a professional as well. He knows how to prepare himself, he’s been in our offense so he has at least familiarity with the things that we’re doing so it’s fun to work with him. We haven’t been out there long. We’ve got a ton of practices to go. Hopefully we make progress every day. Hopefully when we’re on the field we’re communicating and talking through stuff in the film room, talking through stuff on the game field of things that I see, things that I expect, things that he sees, that he expects, so ultimately this game’s about anticipation.

    If you’re not on the same page as your receiver, running backs, or offensive linemen you can never anticipate, then you just react, and if you react, you’re always slow so I don’t need to be any more slow than I already am, so I figure out ways to anticipate better, that’s part of the process in the offseason, things that you see that you need to make improvements on. If you don’t, you fall behind. Everyone else is gaining ground; you’ve got to find ways to gain ground as well.”


    On the passing of former teammate Junior Seau:

    "Junior was a great man. He lived with emotion. If you were a teammate you saw his emotion every day and his love for life and his love for the game and his love for his teammates, which is probably why it surprised so many people. Obviously he was going through some things that were tough on him. I wish he could find ways to get help. Unfortunately, these things happen."

    On Wes Welker’s possibility of getting a multi-year deal from the Patriots:

    Brady: “Well, I wish there was an easy answer. I always support Wes but none of those decisions are up to me. These things end up working themselves out at some point. I don’t know how or when or who or why but sometimes I get emotionally involved in those situations and it doesn’t work out well for me so I just try to support him as a friend. We’re all in this business, and it’s a tough business and you always hope for the best. I don’t know what’s going to happen. I certainly love Wes, I’d love to have him here for as long as I’m playing, so none of those things are really up to me.”

    Some good stuff there from the 'Divine one'. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,434 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    FOXBOROUGH -- Far be it for any quarterback to crow over the crop of receivers that he has in the spring. But this is no ordinary group. Tom Brady has a decorated bunch whom he has plenty of history with, from the newly signed Jabar Gaffney and Donte' Stallworth, to veterans Deion Branch, Wes Welker, and Chad Ochocinco. With all of the receivers in place, it was an inevitable topic of discussion in Brady's first speaking session to the media Thursday afternoon.
    "We've brought in quite a few guys. So hopefully the mix of guys that we had last year along with the new guys can create some different options for us," Brady said. "It's a very competitive position. All of our days at practice have been very competitive. But it'll help our defense out, it'll help our offense out. The more good players you have, the better team you're gonna be. It's only our sixth day of OTAs. Obviously we have a lot of work to do before the season starts. It's been a lot of fun being out there, seeing Dante' and Jabar who I've played with before. And I really loved playing with those guys. And obviously Wes, Deion, and Chad. We have a very competitive position."
    Brady also opined on his appreciation for the spring practices, which he says he did not necessarily enjoy in his 20s.
    "I appreciate it every day. I think that one thing that my injury taught me a few years ago was how fragile this game is," Brady said. "To be able to take the field every week is really a blessing. Maybe at 34, I feel a little differently in that sense. I love it just as much now as I ever have. I love being out here for the OTAs. Going on 25, I was probably [expletive] about the OTAs. But when you're 34, you're not. You're saying alright, let's see what kind of team we got. I really got nothing else going on in my life. So I try to come out here and do a good job for this team."
    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2012/05/tom_brady_says_1.html?p1=Well_Sports_links


    Lots of good stuff in that but I gotta highlight one line from that and post this.

    Huh???

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,434 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Today's OTAs. I love the batted ball by Nate Ebner. The guy is already becoming big talk amongst our female fans who have him up there with no.12 it seems. Hopefully he makes the team, ever since that rugby sevens video I just want this guy to become a big deal with the Patriots.
    FOXBOROUGH – Some observations from today’s second off-season practice open to the media:
    • Practice was again outside in beautiful weather. Players were in helmets and no pads, as per the rules in the CBA.
    • The session was at a brisk pace again with much less competitive situations than the first practice, which feature more 7-on-7 situations. This time, there was only one 11-on-11 period near the end of practice for about 10 minutes and QB Tom Brady only took one rep.
    • Not a whole lot of big changes as far as personnel except that Ryan Wendell and Robert Gallery flip-flopped to LG and RG, respectively.
    • In the team period, QB Brian Hoyer was 7-of-9 with most of his completions going to Brandon Lloyd (three), Wes Welker (two) and Jabar Gaffney (two). QB Ryan Mallett was 2-of-6 but Stevan Ridley did drop a pass. Brady was 0-for-1 with his pass to Julian Edelman underthrown and batted away by Nate Ebner.
    • There was nothing spectacular about any of the plays and the defense appeared to be working on blitz.
    • The running backs continued a rotation and Ridley still appears to be the most explosive of the backs in my opinion, although Shane Vereen is certainly quick. Ridley had the only carry during 11-on-11 and he got on the linebackers very quickly.
    • Lloyd again showed great route running in the drills, including a sluggo route (slant-and-go) that was to perfection. There is no wasted movement and he never takes a false step. Very precise.
    • Gaffney continues to work in the slot but behind Welker. Donte Stallworth is an outside threat but he hasn’t stood out. Deion Branch continues to be unimpressive. The guy catches everything but his burst is diminishing.
    • Aaron Hernandez appears to be playing heavier this season, which could help his durability if it’s good weight. He’s getting a lot of run with Gronkowski out and even DE Alex Silvestro is playing full-time at TE at this point.
    • For the second-straight week, Rob Ninkovich worked only as a DE and Dont’a Hightower was solely a MLB. Not sure what if anything to make of Hightower only being inside so far. You figured coming from Nick Saban’s scheme that Hightower would be able to handle a lot fairly quickly, but to this point he’s only being played inside and not being allowed in space. He’s also behind Brandon Spikes and Dane Fletcher at this point at that spot. Maybe they’re just starting the rookie off slowly and will expand his role from here. Certainly plausible. Hightower appears to be a little heavy. Just expected little bit further along at this point compared to the other rookies, but he’s about on their same level.
    • Nothing eye-opening about Chandler Jones to this point but he’s certainly where you figured him to be – working his way up at Elephant behind Trevor Scott. Chandler is long and athletic. It will be interesting to see how he grows from here and how fast.
    • Jake Bequette is in the mix on the other side, but the guy who really has a little pop to his game – and, again, it’s only May in “underwear” (shirts and shorts) – is Rutgers DE Justin Francis, who was an undrafted free agent. If any of the rookies have opened any eyes in the earlier going, it’s Francis. He’ll be an interesting guy to watch moving forward.
    • Got to watch rookie CB Alfonzo Dennard a little bit more today. What jumps out, in a negative way, is his body type. He is much shorter and squat than I figured. At the combine, he measured at 5-10 and 204 pounds, which seems heavy for an NFL CB (and prospects usually gain weight after the draft). Devin McCourty was 5-11 and 193, for example. Will be interesting to see if Dennard is viable at CB at the pros without changing his body a bit – if he can do that. Or maybe his body type could be OK in the slot or maybe he could convert to safety.
    • McCourty continues to be at CB and had a couple very nice pass breakups. Still think the Patriots would like to play him at safety but at this point the talent is limited at CB so McCourty almost has to play there. Don’t know if that’s going to change.
    • Ras-I Dowling was moving much better this week after being sluggish with his footwork last week. He could be working his way through something, possibly his hip surgery from last season.
    • Kyle Arrington continues to show well, and Patrick Chung and Steve Gregory are working well together at safety. Second-round pick Tavon Wilson seems to be one of those guys that could come on during training camp and win a job. He has a good presence on the field.
    • Nate Ebner was on the field for the first time today. Nothing stood out either way on him but it feels like, as we suspected, he’s going to have to make his mark on special teams.
    • Patriots continued to work a lot on subpackages, including more dime in this practice.
    • There was a lot of work on the running game offensively in this practice. A lot of pulling plays with the guards. Dan Connolly and Dan Koppen rotate more in this practice. OTs Nate Solder and Marcus Cannon both look they have added some much-needed strength in the offseason. Both look really well put together in their second seasons.
    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2012/05/open_ota_2_prac.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Offering some follow-up observations from Thursday's organized team activity:

    Will Allen shifts to safety. Last week, veteran Will Allen saw action with the top sub package in defensive back drills, as a cornerback. This week, Ras-I Dowling took his spot on that unit, with Allen appearing to move to safety for the majority of drills. Allen spent time with safeties coach Brian Flores, who also had rookie Nate Ebner by his side, and wore a large white play-call wristband on his left arm. Ebner and Allen shadowed safeties Patrick Chung and Steve Gregory before jumping into the action themselves.

    Ninkovich practices with d-line. Last season, linebacker Rob Ninkovich was part of the linebackers' stretching group, playing strong-side linebacker in the team's 4-3 base defense. On Thursday, Ninkovich went through practice with the defensive linemen, although it remains to be seen whether this means Ninkovich will see more of a role as a 4-3 defensive end, with the Patriots yet to extensively use their base defense in OTAs. If Ninkovich sees less of a role at linebacker, it may create an opportunity for Dont'a Hightower to receive playing time at the position.

    Emphasis on sub packages. The 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 portions of practice continued to see a heavy emphasis on sub packages. Most lineups saw Jonathan Fanene and Brandon Deaderick as interior rushers. First-round pick Chandler Jones was also part of a unit where he lined up alongside Vince Wilfork. For the second straight week, third-year defensive end Jermaine Cunningham appeared to receive a heavy workload for 11-on-11 work, more than Trevor Scott, Ninkovich, or Jake Bequette.

    Kickoff units get work. Special teams drills on Thursday consisted of the kickoff unit, with Danny Woodhead, Julian Edelman, and Devin McCourty the top returners, the same as last season. Notables on the top return team included rookie Nate Ebner and fullback Spencer Larsen. First-year kicker Chris Koepplin handled kickoff duties.

    Silvestro remains at tight end. Defensive end Alex Silvestro, who practiced at tight end last week, remained at the position on Thursday. The team was without Rob Gronkowski and Daniel Fells for a second straight practice open to the media, but signed rookie free agent tight end Nick Melillo this week. Between Melillo, Silvestro, rookie Brad Herman, and Aaron Hernandez, the Patriots had four tight ends in practice on Thursday.

    Shuffling offensive line. The same four players who missed last week's session -- Logan Mankins, Sebastian Vollmer, Brian Waters, and Marcus Zusevics -- remained out of action on Thursday. The interior of the top offensive line unit saw some shuffling in one running game drill, with Robert Gallery, Ryan Wendell, and Dan Connolly seeing time at guard, and Connolly and Dan Koppen splitting reps at center.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4723090/follow-up-thoughts-from-practice
    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- A week after seeing the Patriots working on the field for the first time as a full squad this offseason, media was once again granted access to Thursday’s organized team activity, which had a similar structure to previous session.

    Here are a handful of observations from the practice, keeping in mind that there is still plenty of work to be done this offseason, and that the session was held in helmets and sweats, limiting the number of drills the team can conduct:
    • The team appeared to focus more on two overall themes today than what we saw last week: the running game and up-tempo offense. The offensive line and running backs worked on inside runs during the individual drills portion of the practice, and the entire offense congregated shortly thereafter for about 10 minutes of running plays. At this point of the offseason, it’s difficult to simulate the running game without pads, but operating against a scout team defense (made up of reserve offensive players) using hand shields seemed to give the offense a solid look. Up-tempo offense has been a staple in New England for many seasons, and it should come as no surprise that the team worked on it today.
    • Watching offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia work in concert is a unique experience. Both hold their players to high standards, and each is attentive to details. During a period focused on the running game (which was led by the two), the offense was forced to re-run multiple plays from the top after the coaches called for better execution. It would appear that both will be heavily involved in the leading the running game this season, and the pair already seems to have its working chemistry back after McDaniels’ departure from New England early in 2009.
    • A couple of individual position drill notes: Eric Kettani, who is viewed by some as a fullback and a running back by others, took handoffs during an inside running game drill. That could be a suggestion that he’ll see some more reps at running back during the preseason. Also during individual drills, a pair of running backs -- Danny Woodhead and Shane Vereen -- worked on routes with a quarterback. Woodhead is an established receiver out of the backfield, while Vereen may step into that role in his second season as a pro. He averaged nearly 25 catches per season in college.
    • Not to make too much out of a single play, but receiver Donte' Stallworth had a drop on a perfect pass to his chest during an offensive routes on air period. Again, no player’s fate will be decided by one play, but with such a competitive receiving group, easy drops and impressive catches are likely to be closely monitored.
    • Perhaps in an effort to get some younger and less experienced players involved, the Patriots offense led off a 7 on 7 and the team period with a number of players who project to be second stringers on the field -- including quarterback Brian Hoyer. Depth in the NFL is critically important, and the Patriots are likely counting on the development of many of their younger players this offseason.
    • Sixth-round selection safety Nate Ebner was on the field today, a week after working with the Patriots medical staff while nursing a hamstring injury. Ebner was essentially only a special teams player in college, leading some to wonder how much of a defensive role he will adopt in the NFL. During a team drill period, Ebner opened his hips to the right side of the field and made a nice break on a deep throw, deflecting the pass intended for a streaking receiver.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4723100/more-observations-from-thursdays-ota


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    The Pats had their 6th OTA day today and the second one with media access. Here are some snippets from Andy Hart from PFW, the full report can be seen here....http://blog.patriots.com/2012/05/31/from-the-hart-ota-observations-2/
    –Brian Waters, Logan Mankins (knee), Justin Francis, Sebastian Vollmer (back), Jeremy Ebert, Daniel Fells and Myron Pryor were not seen on the practice fields at all.

    Matthew Slater, Joseph Addai, Tracy White and Rob Gronkowski worked with the team’s training staff. The group worked in the Dana Farber Fieldhouse early in practice and then did some running work on the practice field under the watchful eye of the medical/strength staff, including Joe Andruzzi. Addai practiced fully in last Thursday’s workout before being sidelined today. The other three have been with the medical staff for the first two weeks of OTA access.

    –Nate Ebner took part in the practice after missing last Thursday’s workout and being limited in rookie mini-camp. Ebner, a special teams ace at Ohio State, actually had a pass defense of an underthrown Brian Hoyer deep ball intended for Brandon Lloyd.

    –Speaking of Lloyd, he’s been rather impressive in his first two practices witnessed by the media. He seems pretty comfortable in his reps and doesn’t appear hesitant as to where to line up or what to do. He shows quick feet and very good hands. He hauled in a nice deep ball down the middle from Tom Brady in group work.

    –The quarterbacks have performed to the expectations of their spot on the depth chart to this point in the spring, especially on Thursday. Brady had a very good practice, throwing the ball accurately and with a nice zip. Brian Hoyer was OK, although he still seems to have issues with arm strength at times. Ryan Mallett has struggled over the last two Thursdays. He takes way too long to get rid of the ball on nearly every one of his reps. When he does decide to unload it, dumping it off to a guy in the flat the ball is often off-target or behind the receiver. It’s too early in the process to make any long term evaluations but Mallett right now looks like another former strong-armed, decision-slow, off-target Patriots backup from the SEC named Rohan Davey. In an observation from afar on the grassy hill next to the practice fields it looks Mallett needs to work mightily on decision making, getting rid of the ball and accuracy.

    –There were a few doses of fire and energy in the practice from both team leaders and coaches. Brady had a couple outbursts directed toward teammates and fine-tuning plays. Offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia – well known for his colorful language and creatively worded critiques – had plenty to say to his unit a couple times as well.

    –There was plenty of work on the running game early in practice with the offense working against a scout team.

    –The offensive line group taking many of the early reps in that group work included Nate Solder at left tackle, Dan Connolly at left guard, Dan Koppen at center, Robert Gallery at right guard and Marcus Cannon at right tackle. Keep in mind that three potential starters in Mankins, Waters and Vollmer were not in attendance.

    –Though it was hard to see on the far practice field away from the media, it looked like Ras-I Dowling got some reps working out of the slot in some sub packages. For what it’s worth, I’ve seen Devin McCourty take his reps at cornerback and haven’t seen him working at safety.

    –At least one aspect of the team seems to be in midseason form – the passing game to Wes Welker and Aaron Hernandez. Both players caught a ton of balls on Thursday, especially Hernandez. The versatile tight end also showed his now-famous cutback moves after the catch.
    –Saw a number of times when top pick Chandler Jones lined up on the right side as a stand-up pass rusher – a role Patriots fans hope to see him in early and often later this year.

    –The workout concluded with the veteran players doing some conditioning running while younger guys got some extra “opportunity reps” on offense and defense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Troy Brown won the vote and will be inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame later this year. No offence to his competition, but there was only going to be one winner in that race. The official ceremony is on Saturday 15th Sept, the day before the first home game of the season.

    Troy was the epitome of the Patriot Way, always putting his team and colleagues first. Whether on offense or defence, he put the V in versatility. So I'm delighted to see a great player and a Patriots legend getting his just reward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Sools


    Love the patriots


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Phoenix Park


    Gents, i'm in Boston when the [EMAIL="Cardinals@Patriots"]Cardinals @ Patriots[/EMAIL] game is on in September. I was thinking of biting the bullet and buying 2 tickets on Stubhub (pricey, but google tells me its pretty legit). Stubhub say they no longer have an issue with Irish credit cards, and i could print the tickets electronically.

    Patriots ticket office tell me some tickets will go on sale in July, but chances of getting two are slim as its mostly season tickets now. Anyone think its worth holding off and trying in July or just overpay now and be "guaranteed" (i hope!) two tickets?. Generally about $145 for nosebleed tickets and $170 for anything remotely decent. Stubhub say they refund if tickets turn out to be dodgy..

    Thanks for any thoughts guys. I don't mind overpaying a bit if i really have to i suppose, i've wanted to go to an NFL game in the States for ages, anytime i'm over in the US the city i'm staying in always seem to be playing away!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 987 ✭✭✭CoachTO


    Gents, i'm in Boston when the Cardinals @ Patriots game is on in September. I was thinking of biting the bullet and buying 2 tickets on Stubhub (pricey, but google tells me its pretty legit). Stubhub say they no longer have an issue with Irish credit cards, and i could print the tickets electronically.

    Patriots ticket office tell me some tickets will go on sale in July, but chances of getting two are slim as its mostly season tickets now. Anyone think its worth holding off and trying in July or just overpay now and be "guaranteed" (i hope!) two tickets?. Generally about $145 for nosebleed tickets and $170 for anything remotely decent. Stubhub say they refund if tickets turn out to be dodgy..

    Thanks for any thoughts guys. I don't mind overpaying a bit if i really have to i suppose, i've wanted to go to an NFL game in the States for ages, anytime i'm over in the US the city i'm staying in always seem to be playing away!

    Hold off and try in July. I have gotten tickets on ticketmaster as has Hazys on here I think. Even if you hold off Stubhub wont get any dearer so you dont lose out by holding off ye know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭BigBadRob83


    Gents, i'm in Boston when the [EMAIL="Cardinals@Patriots"]Cardinals @ Patriots[/EMAIL] game is on in September. I was thinking of biting the bullet and buying 2 tickets on Stubhub (pricey, but google tells me its pretty legit). Stubhub say they no longer have an issue with Irish credit cards, and i could print the tickets electronically.

    Patriots ticket office tell me some tickets will go on sale in July, but chances of getting two are slim as its mostly season tickets now. Anyone think its worth holding off and trying in July or just overpay now and be "guaranteed" (i hope!) two tickets?. Generally about $145 for nosebleed tickets and $170 for anything remotely decent. Stubhub say they refund if tickets turn out to be dodgy..

    Thanks for any thoughts guys. I don't mind overpaying a bit if i really have to i suppose, i've wanted to go to an NFL game in the States for ages, anytime i'm over in the US the city i'm staying in always seem to be playing away!

    Would grab them while you can tbh.

    Re Stubhub - It's Got tickets last year on Stubhub for the Redskins-Pats game in Washington and all worked out perfectly. Still want to go to Foxboro though, my time in Boston was during the summer and left just before NFL pre-season started to missed out.

    Enjoy!


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