New England Patriots thread (MOD WARNING - #4503)

TO.

Syferus wrote: »

Surely this will be Montana-Young for a new generation?

As if this forum needed another reason to go into hyperdrive. Will Tebow bridge the love gap here for the Pats?

What are you babbling on about. No surprises you came back in to post nonsense as soon as Timmy moved to the Pats. You normally wet your pants over him and you troll Pats fans so of course you would come in making sense in here..... Oh wait. Keep up the good trolling.

Syferus

TO. wrote: »

What are you babbling on about. No surprises you came back in to post nonsense as soon as Timmy moved to the Pats. You normally wet your pants over him and you troll Pats fans so of course you would come in making sense in here..... Oh wait. Keep up the good trolling.

Oh, ok. I do like at least two Patriots now, though.

Stev_o

Popcorn gif time.

JaMarcus Hustle

Over a month ago...

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Tebow. It's happening. Just accept it, put a bet on it if makes you feel better

Why didn't I take my own tip!

taidghbaby

On the one hand Tebow goes into a team with an almost infallible HC and QB, so there'll be no circus around him playing, but on the other hand everything Tom Brady is great at Tebow isn't and everything Tebow is good at Brady isn't, from a skill set point of view!

TO.

Syferus wrote: »

Oh, ok. I do like at least two Patriots now, though.

Do you want a blue peter badge?

Stev_o

Whats the chance that he gets cut by the start of the season? Pats coaching staff did seem to praise him quite a bit.

darragh16

Typical Belichick. Low risk signing. Can have him as backup QB and work on his mechanics or develop him in another position. He can also be used in the Wildcat or used in training to mimic situations against QB's like Kapernick etc.

But I'm still a Tebow hater!

TO.

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Over a month ago...



Why didn't I take my own tip!

I listened to my own logic also when the talks came out about us taking him and made that bet. I will enjoy my winnings

TO.

Stev_o wrote: »

Whats the chance that he gets cut by the start of the season? Pats coaching staff did seem to praise him quite a bit.

Well he is known for his solid work ethic I think the Pats will end up rolling with Brady, Mallet and Timmy as their 3 QBs going into the regular season.

Son Of A Vidic

I did think that there was only one franchise, that could really handle the unfortunate circus around Teebow and that's us. Then you have the Josh factor to factor in of course. But I'll be honest and admit I didn't think it was going to happen.

I thought Elway treated him pretty scumily when he off loaded him to The Jets. So I'm glad for Tebow, he's a nice, honest hard working kid and he deserves to work with the best.

Brady has the best mechanics in the business, so Teebow couldn't have a better teacher to learn from. Kafta has now been released so Tebow will slot in a No. 3. or will they find a specialist role for him?

When you look at a lot of the bad PR and thuggish behaviour some players get up to. Tebow has been a shining role model to all the young kids out there. So if he accepts the Patriot Way, then he could do well for himself here. So welcome aboard Timmy, glad to have you.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Disappointed we signed him.
He's a fraud as a QB, and the hype he generates is a bigger fraud.
I agree with Corvus that he doesn't compare to those that border on criminal behavior, I just wish he would park his Jesus bus at the gate and concentrate on football (and then he may have avoided a disaster in NY).

The circus isn't something we need, and not even the Pats will dampen the media frenzy that will now explode.

The guy isn't going to be playing QB, why would we want anyone but Tom taking snaps for the next 2-3yrs?

The only benefit I can see of signing Tebow, is to get an insight to the Jets playbook.
But, this is a team with a great QB and a great coach. If anyone can make me eats my words it's Tom and Bill.

BizzyC

Opened up NFL.com this morning to a shock....

TBH, I'm not all that bothered.
BB will either find a way to make use of his skillset, or he'll get dropped.

There's no way he's going to be allowed to create a circus in NE.
No one in their right mind will be calling for him to play and BB has a tight grip on players being overly vocal.

I think we'll see him used in special teams mainly and the odd trick play.
He does bring in a good skillset for catching defences off guard.

Prefab Sprouter

Tebow has probably generated more hype than anyone else in the NFL over the last few years. I remember friends of mine who follow College Football were convinced that he was going to be a certain "star" in the NFL. Well the publicity end of things has certainly happened but has he backed it up with great football play? Bill Bellichick has obviously seen something in Tebow that he feels can benefit the Patriots team. What it is I'm not exactly sure, but you have to give Bellichick the benefit of the doubt, for now. Personally I'm not sold on Tebow but having said that, I follow a team who bet the farm on Jamarcus Russell, what do I know??

Jolly Red Giant

You have to love it - McD and his blinkers

Enjoy Tebowmania - you have no idea what you have unleashed

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I thought Elway treated him pretty scumily when he off loaded him to The Jets. So I'm glad for Tebow, he's a nice, honest hard working kid and he deserves to work with the best.

Elway treated Tebow with the ultimate respect - Tebow was not going to be on the roster so he gave Tebow the choice of the Jets or the Jags (no one else wanted him) - Tebow changed his mind more than once and then picked the Jets.

BizzyC wrote: »

BB will either find a way to make use of his skillset, or he'll get dropped.

I would be astonished if Tebow makes the regular season roster. The only way it happens is of BB sees the necessity of having Tebow there to run the read-option for the Pats defence to practice against.

Son Of A Vidic

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Enjoy Tebowmania - you have no idea what you have unleashed

We all should know at this stage that Belicheck and the Patriots don't do 'mania'.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Elway treated Tebow with the ultimate respect - Tebow was not going to be on the roster so he gave Tebow the choice of the Jets or the Jags

Dumping a lad that gave the Broncos a post season in 2011, wouldn't be most people's way of showing the ultimate respect.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Dumping a lad that gave the Broncos a post season in 2011

That post season was earned by the Broncos defense.

TO.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

You have to love it - McD and his blinkers

Enjoy Tebowmania - you have no idea what you have unleashed


Elway treated Tebow with the ultimate respect - Tebow was not going to be on the roster so he gave Tebow the choice of the Jets or the Jags (no one else wanted him) - Tebow changed his mind more than once and then picked the Jets.


I would be astonished if Tebow makes the regular season roster. The only way it happens is of BB sees the necessity of having Tebow there to run the read-option for the Pats defence to practice against.

Yeah we get it already you hate Tebow and don't think he will ever amount to anything. And I am almost sure no cares about Denver in this Patriots thread so why bother telling us the same crap over and over again about Josh and the Broncos and Tebow and Elway. No one cares.

Also you will notice a few Pats fans like myself didn't like Tebow to begin and I still think the Jury is out but the Patriots are one of few teams that could get anything out of him. If they don't so be it he will be released at minimum cost.

TO.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Disappointed we signed him.
He's a fraud as a QB, and the hype he generates is a bigger fraud.
I agree with Corvus that he doesn't compare to those that border on criminal behavior, I just wish he would park his Jesus bus at the gate and concentrate on football (and then he may have avoided a disaster in NY).

As a Pats fan you should appreciate that the Patriots are one of the best organisations out there and have in the Past gotten the best out of some guys with bad attitudes, Now look at Tim's attitude easier to work with I would say. If anyone can fix him the Pats can. If not its a low risk move and Tebow will be dumped. With his attitude maybe we can make something out of him.

The circus isn't something we need, and not even the Pats will dampen the media frenzy that will now explode.

I dont believe it will on the Pats side of things. Most Patriot fans wont go singing for Tebow to start. The team itself wont turn him into the spotlight like the Jets did and Bill and crew will deflect the questions as always. The only ones who will make a circus of it, is non Pats fans and the Media.

The guy isn't going to be playing QB, why would we want anyone but Tom taking snaps for the next 2-3yrs?

No but he can create competition for Mallet and learn under one of the best QBs in the business and best coaching staffs in the business. Why are you looking at it from a standpoint he was brought in to start as a QB right away? If anything he might see time in other positions or backup Brady and Mallet.

The only benefit I can see of signing Tebow, is to get an insight to the Jets playbook.

When we sing Jets players for that its usually in August right after camp. Wont get much out of Timmy right now. And besides do we need it? The Jets are a mess.

But, this is a team with a great QB and a great coach. If anyone can make me eats my words it's Tom and Bill.

This is what we all hope deep down. I like Mallet but I don't think he is Bradys backup. I do believe with Tims attitude if he can climb over that huge moutain in front of him he could make a Franchise QB. It is a big ask but not impossible with the tools he now has.

Son Of A Vidic

munstermagic11 wrote: »

That post season was earned by the Broncos defense.

If only it were that simple and is this the same defence that the Pats destroyed btw? You obvioulsy missed the great leadership shown on the field by Tebow during that season. Not to mention a game winning play or two by him.

j8wk2feszrnpao

TO. wrote: »

Why are you looking at it from a standpoint he was brought in to start as a QB right away? If anything he might see time in other positions or backup Brady and Mallet.

I wasn't. I just don't want him taking any snaps away from Tom. I'd prefer to see Mallet (who we can't really judge yet) if we blowout a team.

The Jets 100% misused him. As limited as Tebow is, Sanchez was a disaster last year. How he wasn't dropped after 'butt-fumble' was incredible.

He has been reported to only have considered playing QB when approached by teams. And teams have shown little to no interest.
In terms of playing other positions, I can't get that image of the ball hitting his helmet.

It's a low risk chance the Pats are taking in terms of trying out the guy. I just don't think we need the circus. Plus, I'd prefer to have seen any of the money go towards keeping Wes (sorry to bring up the subject again).

Son Of A Vidic

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I wasn't. I just don't want him taking any snaps away from Tom. I'd prefer to see Mallet (who we can't really judge yet) if we blowout a team.

Dude, nobody, I mean nobody is gonna take Brady's snaps. I don't really know how Mallett has been doing this off season, but Tebow arriving will probably only help him focus more. That said, Mallett is the firm number 2 and I can't see Tebow coming close.

TO.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I wasn't. I just don't want him taking any snaps away from Tom. I'd prefer to see Mallet (who we can't really judge yet) if we blowout a team.

The Jets 100% misused him. As limited as Tebow is, Sanchez was a disaster last year. How he wasn't dropped after 'butt-fumble' was incredible.

He has been reported to only have considered playing QB when approached by teams. And teams have shown little to no interest.
In terms of playing other positions, I can't get that image of the ball hitting his helmet.

It's a low risk chance the Pats are taking in terms of trying out the guy. I just don't think we need the circus. Plus, I'd prefer to have seen any of the money go towards keeping Wes (sorry to bring up the subject again).

As Corvus said if we plan to have him as a QB he will be nothing but 3rd string and will never take snaps off Brady. Whether we use him situational its hard to say but I doubt it for this reason:

@AdamSchefter: RT @jasonvida: Brady has converted on 49 straight 3rd-and-1/4th-and-1 rushes. Last stopped in Week 4 of 2005. #thankstimigotthis

Love the hash tage on the tweet though

He will be nothing more than competition for Mallet in my eyes and to be honest Tebow's attitude should put fire up Mallets arse. Right now neither Mallet or Tebow could ever step into Brady's shoes but Tebow is well off the quality Mallet would be at now also when it comes to mechanics and QB ability.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

If only it were that simple and is this the same defence that the Pats destroyed btw? You obvioulsy missed the great leadership shown on the field by Tebow during that season. Not to mention a game winning play or two by him.

Yip, same defense who stepped up in a number of games in that run. They had some big moments in the 4th quarter of those games.
I remember that Pats game. Broncos started well, even Tebow stared well. Then the Pats shut down the run, including a few sacks, and it was boys against men.

Did you miss Tebow in week 17 against the Chiefs after the defense restricted them to 7pts in game 17? Who showed the leadership that day?

Son Of A Vidic

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yip, same defense who stepped up in a number of games in that run. They had some big moments in the 4th quarter of those games.

They did and that's also when Tebow tended to show up.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I remember that Pats game. Broncos started well, even Tebow stared well. Then the Pats shut down the run, including a few sacks, and it was boys against men.

Didn't matter how well or poor our defense played in that game. Because Brady had decided to give a QB masterclass, with his 6TD's and 363 Yards that day.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Did you miss Tebow in week 17 against the Chiefs after the defense restricted them to 7pts in game 17? Who showed the leadership that day?

And you miss my point, Tebow showed up early in the season and surpasssed the Broncos expectations for 2011. That's all a guy can do and getting to the play offs was a fine acheivement by any standard. Trading Tebow to the Jets was a pretty big slap in the face, especially for a guy who played a pivotal role for them in 2011.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

And you miss my point, Tebow showed up early in the season and surpasssed the Broncos expectations for 2011. That's all a guy can do and getting to the play offs was a fine acheivement by any standard. Trading Tebow to the Jets was a pretty big slap in the face, especially for a guy who played a pivotal role for them in 2011.

He did well, but nothing to merit the hype. For as many good plays that he had, he also had a lot of very poor plays (with a poor passing mechanics).

The Broncos had the chance to get an elite QB and go for the 'win now' opportunity. They look like a SB winning team, and Tebow may well sit-out another season. I can't fault the Broncos for their move.

TO.

Lads do we really care about the Broncos that year or any year in fact? Either way that year the Pats bitch slapped both that Defense and Timmy twice.

Son Of A Vidic

Odin Brief Watchband wrote: »

He did well, but nothing to merit the hype. For as many good plays that he had, he also had a lot of very poor plays (with a poor passing mechanics).

He didn't get any hype in here and never did and the circus is beyond his control. But he exceeded all expectation at the start of the season and that is as imple fact. Eveyone knows about his shortcomings as a QB, but as a natural leader and hard worker nobody can fault him. And leadership and being a hardworker are the top qualities Belichick loves having.

Odin Brief Watchband wrote: »

The Broncos had the chance to get an elite QB and go for the 'win now' opportunity. They look like a SB winning team, and Tebow may well sit-out another season. I can't fault the Broncos for their move.

The least the guy deserved was an oppourtunity to learn from Manning. But it wasn't to be. Sending him to the Jets to sit behind Sanchez, couldn't have been a bigger insult to the guy.


Edit: Just saw your post TO, after I posted this.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

the circus is beyond his control

I don't believe that he couldn't have calmed the circus, I'd say he fully embraced it.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

as a natural leader and hard worker nobody can fault him.

Can't fault his work ethic; but leadership? Not sold, not even close. Stealing the spotlight, and not performing close to a NFL QB level, does not equal leadership in my book.
He gets credit for the run of games that led to the playoff berth, but nothing mentioned about losing 4 of their last 5 games in 2011.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Sending him to the Jets to sit behind Sanchez, couldn't have been a bigger insult to the guy.

How the Jets failed to use Tebow, has nothing to do with the Broncos.

Despite Tebow reaching the playoffs in 2011, teams/coaches saw enough faults for the Broncos to trade him, the Jets to bench him in 2012, and only the Pats taking him as 3rd choice QB for 2013.
Even conceding that he may have the leadership and working ethic, he just doesn't appear to have the talent.

UnitedIrishman

Great move by the Pats IMO, as outlined by Corvus and TO elsewhere so no point in me repeating what they've said.

Just on the hype thing - it will be prevalent for the first 6 months or so maybe, but when he's not getting snaps and it's clear to everyone that he's number 3 QB, then the hype will die down because there'll be no story to report on. Nobody wants to hear how the scouting team are doing week to week.

Fair play to the guy. I'm sure he knows this is pretty much his last chance and he's at the right team for him now. He just needs to work hard for the next couple of years (even if it means a much much lower contract) and fix what needs fixing in his game behind Brady and alongside McDaniels, and it could be an excellent move for all parties down the road.

Again, I don't see why all the begrudgers are out with the 'You have no idea what you've unleashed'. The kid wants to play, has never opened his mouth about being great or done any wrong to anybody. Give me a player with a personality like Tebow than Pacman Jones or Titus Young any day of the week. And from a Pats point of view, it's a low risk move - Belichick knows what he's doing and there's no one better to manage the media if needs be.