Amir Khan v Paul McCloskey - Manchester, April 16

Vintagekits

If HBO give the seal of approval this is the most likely fight.

McCloskey closing in on world title shot

http://boxing-ireland.com/20110114_paul_mccloskey_amir_khan_66.html

Boxing is dying!

gene_tunney

Vintagekits wrote: »

If HBO give the seal of approval this is the most likely fight.

McCloskey closing in on world title shot

http://boxing-ireland.com/20110114_paul_mccloskey_amir_khan_66.html

Boxing is dying!

Shaping up to be a good year for Irish boxing!

Johner

I'm sorry but I think Khan would beat Paul easily. His speed will be too much imo.

nacho libre

Regardless of the likely outcome of this fight and others involving Irish boxers, it's just good to see so many of them getting big fights this year.

Spazdarn

Yeah it's great for Irish boxing, in most respect I'm just hoping that the fights were be well contested so even if they lose the Irish boys come out of it with reputations intact

walshb

Not Paul's greatest fan as regards his ability, but I am delighted he is getting a crack, if that is what transpires. He's a real warrior, and has skill, just not my cup of tea. Khan will be a very tough ask for Paul. I cannot see Paul winning this, unless he lands a hail mary shot.

makl

yea pauls been so far off the radar as far as big title shots go, great to see him gettin a shot. lookin forward to seein how he handles khan's style. best of luck to him.

mccloskey ko 4-5.

themandan6611

big ask for mccloskey, can't see anything under than a Khan win though

Vintagekits

Eddie Hearn had a positive meeting with SKY Sports today and they are happy with Dudey to fight Amir Khan

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6_f8DWGVqU

Wild_Dogger

There's always a chance of an upset against Khan .
he's got a better chance than McGee does against Bute !

Paul mc Closkey might rise to the occasion here ,..... although he will probably look tiny against Amir .

It could be a good match !

Vintagekits

Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey on Twitter: "Khans team have made a ridiculous offer.They are obviously running scared of this fight.We have gone back with realisitic terms. We will see!

http://twitter.com/#!/LoveIrishBoxing

joepenguin

wonder what the ridicuous terms were

Spazdarn

Khan seems to be throwing around ridiculous demands all over the place, Lamont Peterson "priced" himself out of the running also, which I think is unlikely.

CorkMan

Khan should fight Mayweather. In all likelihood, Mayweather won't be serving a big jail sentence, 1-2 months absolute most.

It would be a good fight.

Wild_Dogger

If he cant agree terms with Mc Closkey , he wont have much luck agreeing a price with team Mayweather !!

Notoriously difficult !!! I wouldnt give Khan much chance here at all , but its a fight i could see Floyd taking .

On a seperate note , The german card for saturday is cancelled .
Sylvester has a cold

digme

Vintagekits wrote: »

Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey on Twitter: "Khans team have made a ridiculous offer.They are obviously running scared of this fight.We have gone back with realisitic terms. We will see!

http://twitter.com/#!/LoveIrishBoxing

freddie wants paul to come in 30 lbs lighter than khan.

Spazdarn

CorkMan wrote: »

Khan should fight Mayweather. In all likelihood, Mayweather won't be serving a big jail sentence, 1-2 months absolute most.

It would be a good fight.

The dog's beating he'd receive might bring him down to earth a bit..

colly10

CorkMan wrote: »

Khan should fight Mayweather. In all likelihood, Mayweather won't be serving a big jail sentence, 1-2 months absolute most.

It would be a good fight.

Think Khan would be destroyed by Mayweather, a loss to him would be terrible for Khan because I think he will be carefully managed to big things

Rob113

It's too early for Khan to be thinking about Mayweather. Mayweather is too clever a boxer. He'd just close up shop and pick him off. Mayweather by a wide points margin. Don't think he knocks him out as he would have to take a risk in doing so which would be dangerous with Khans speed

Boooourns

Looks like the fight is off for now unless they offer McCloskey decent money....

Barry Hearn has laughed off Amir Khan's offer to fight Paul McCloskey as 'a joke'.
The European light-welterweight champion emerged this week as a surprise contender to take on the WBA king when he makes his return to Britain in April.
But promoter Barry Hearn says there is no way the fight will happen and is refusing to even enter negotiations with the current bid on the table.
"The offer was a joke," he told the Belfast Telegraph. "There's no way I'm letting Paul fight for peanuts.
"They made the offer, I rejected it and as far as I can see the fight is dead. We'll certainly not be going back to them to negotiate.
"If they were to come back with a proper offer then of course we would listen but as I expected they wanted to get Paul on the cheap.
"I'm just not interested in that. Paul's got a better record than Khan - he's undefeated and he's never been knocked out like Khan has.
"Nobody has done Paul any favours, he has done everything that has been asked of him and he deserves to be well paid for a fight like this

walshb

If Kahn can take Floyd's shots, then he would have a very good chance.
Khan is an exceptional boxer, real fast, and fit as a fiddle.
I don't think he's the type of fighter to be "picked" off for 12 rds. He has skill, and is
adaptable too. He also has size. Not smaller than Floyd, with a bigger reach.

Spazdarn

walshb wrote: »

If Kahn can take Floyd's shots, then he would have a very good chance.
Khan is an exceptional boxer, real fast, and fit as a fiddle.
I don't think he's the type of fighter to be "picked" off for 12 rds. He has skill, and is
adaptable too. He also has size. Not smaller than Floyd, with a bigger reach.

Nah Khan's fast so but is Mayweather, Floyd would be the first to every counter... Floyd is difficult to hit, Khan will get him. As far as adaptability, Floyd is possibly the best at changing his game plan when required, see what he did to shutdown Mosley after that shakey first 2 rounds.

megadodge

Offensively, Khan definitely has the tools to give Mayweather real problems, but it's defensively where the problems lie.

If Maidana was able to catch him over and over again, then surely so will Mayweather.

I would think Mayweather would win a tough, close fight on points.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Offensively, Khan definitely has the tools to give Mayweather real problems, but it's defensively where the problems lie.

If Maidana was able to catch him over and over again, then surely so will Mayweather.

I would think Mayweather would win a tough, close fight on points.

Yeah, but Marcos was a seeker and destroyer. Went firing many shots. Floyd is not the fighter of years gone by, lazier, slower and not as active. Also, Freddie Roach and Khan surely would fight the fight needed for Floyd, adaptability is so important.

Jayob10

walshb wrote: »

Yeah, but Marcos was a seeker and destroyer. Went firing many shots. Floyd is not the fighter of years gone by, lazier, slower and not as active. Also, Freddie Roach and Khan surely would fight the fight needed for Floyd, adaptability is so important.

I agree with you there. I think Floyds handspeed is still there but the footwork is not as good. He still gives Khan lots of problems though.

I would also question whether Khan has the ability to adapt when fighting the very best, thats a skill top fighters acquire over time. Now i'm not saying he will never have the ability to do so, it will come over time when he is more seasoned I feel.

seiphil

Kahns team have agreed to look at McCloskey's offer.

So just have to wait and see now.

Boooourns

Anyone an idea how much Paul would make from a Euro defence? I wouldn't have much of a clue on what boxers earn these days.

Vintagekits

Despite a load of names being thrown into the hat, Paul feels confident that a fight between him and Khan is likely.

Video interview included.

http://boxing-ireland.com/20110122_paul_mccloskey_amir_khan_confident_6.html

pbffan

Outside of Pacquiao, I would say that Khan has the best shot at beating Mayweather. I'm not saying he will, I mean obviously he's the underdog, but if you look at it, Khan style most difficult matchup for a counter puncher like Mayweather. Amir is an ultra fast jabber, who holds a high guard from the first bell and leaves very little to counter. That jab of his is so fast, and he reverts back to the high guard so quickly, that even Floyd would have difficulties countering him. As well as that, Floyd is slowing down in the ring, his legs may not quite be "gone" as Freddie Roach suggested, but they're certainly not what they once were. At this stage in his career, Khan is unquestionably faster than Mayweather, hell he's faster than pretty much everyone. There's very little between them in handspeed too, if anything I'd give Khan a slight edge in that department. As for Knockout Power, I think Khan has to get the nod here too. Floyd has only stopped one opponent since 2005. Ring Generalship, Defense, Boxing smarts obviously all go to Mayweather though

I see it as a Whitaker-De La Hoya type fight. Would love to see it

As for Khan's next opponent: From his point of view, Marquez is the best possible opponent. Not only is JMM a P4P ranked fighter who can turn Khan into a Superstar, but the fight is tailor made for him. It would be a complete mismatch, Mayweather/Marquez II

I'd be happy with Khan-Ortiz though

sxt

Amit Khan hits back at at Hearn over McCloskey offer

"The offer I made to Paul McCloskey is the biggest he is getting in any of his fights. If he doesn't want to take the offer, there are plenty of other fighters who will," Khan told Sky Sports News. "Everyone knows I want to fight McCloskey, and everyone knows I would beat him. I'm willing to give him the biggest purse of his boxing career so why not take the fight?


http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/69669.html

There are qouted in link as saying that they are offering 3 times mcloskeys last fight fee, yet this fight will generate 300 times the money, Is khan camp being unrealsble?

Vintagekits

Amir Khan urges Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey to grab ‘career high’ pay day while it is available

http://boxing-ireland.com/20110124_paul_mccloskey_amir_khan_offer_33.html

walshb

If the report above is true, then I have to agree with Khan.
He is the champ, the name, the draw; Paul is not.
He is being offered the dream fight, the fight that most
boxers want the second they turn pro, the world title fight.
What's the problem? It is the biggest pay of his career.
He may never get that again.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

If the report above is true, then I have to agree with Khan.
He is the champ, the name, the draw; Paul is not.
He is being offered the dream fight, the fight that most
boxers want the second they turn pro, the world title fight.
What's the problem? It is the bigest pay of his career.
He may never get that again.

I agree, if he won't fight Khan then he's just afraid of losing his 0 IMO.

megadodge

I suspect it's just negotiating for the best possible purse for his fighter. That's all.

I reckon he'll take the fight eventually.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

I suspect it's just negotiating for the best possible purse for his fighter. That's all.

I reckon he'll take the fight eventually.

I think so too, but Paul is not in a position really to be dictating.
He would want to be careful that he doesn't price himself out.
As report says, it is his biggest payday. Thread carefully he should.
Khan does not need Paul one bit.

joker77

Khan's made a second, revised offer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPgQOhpycc

Wild_Dogger

There's also a principle about being fair .
If I thought I was being ripped off , I'd be refusing it outright .

It could be 95-5 and still be in Khan's favour .

Whats the figures here anyway ??? ..... what has been McCloskey's biggest payday yet .

Lets see a 70-30 split on everything .
70% - Khan
30% - McCloskey .

Paul will be working just as hard for this fight , so be fair .

WalshB ... Do you have shares in Khan ?

walshb

My arse!

Like I said, IF the reports are true, then Paul has no real bargaining here.
It's meant to be the best pay of his life. Lets be honest here, Paul is a nobody on the world scene. Khan IS. Khan is the draw, the name and the champ. Barry Hearn I think is the issue here.

I would say the exact same if Paul was the champ, the name and the draw...

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

My arse!

Like I said, IF the reports are true, then Paul has no real bargaining here.
It's meant to be the best pay of his life. Lets be honest here, Paul is a nobody on the world scene. Khan IS. Khan is the draw, the name and the champ. Barry Hearn I think is the issue here.

I would say the exact same if Paul was the champ, the name and the draw...

Nonsense!

Paul has plenty of "real bargaining here", otherwise Khan wouldnt have made a second offer.

makl

walshb wrote: »

My arse!

Like I said, IF the reports are true, then Paul has no real bargaining here.
It's meant to be the best pay of his life. Lets be honest here, Paul is a nobody on the world scene. Khan IS. Khan is the draw, the name and the champ. Barry Hearn I think is the issue here.

I would say the exact same if Paul was the champ, the name and the draw...

yea paul can demand his 70% or 90% if and when his time comes. remember the sports centre fight vs morrison in letterkenny? couple hundred people, a few sitting on the floor at the front. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=298487&cat=boxer -- he's down for michele di rocco 3 march kings hall btw

walshb

Vintagekits wrote: »

Nonsense!

Paul has plenty of "real bargaining here", otherwise Khan wouldnt have made a second offer.

My arse. Khan is the name, the draw, not Paul

Paul is being offered the pay day of his career, and the CHANCE
to win a world belt. No excuses here. Take the fight or shut up.

IF he wins, then maybe he can call the shots and take the big cut!

Spazdarn

Walshb is right, Khan is the draw, he brings the money to the fight, and he brings the title. He could just as easily turn down a fight with Paul, and Paul wouldn't get anywhere near as much money in his next fight.

Few people like Khan, but Khan is money. He's now known a bit in America, and he's huge in England. McCloskey is a nobody in America and is fairly well known in the UK but still... this Khan fight is an opportunity for him.

He beats him, he gets the title, the recognition and bigger money fights in the future.

Khan beats him and it doesn't really have much affect on his profile or his money considering it's really only a stop gap for him before he meets the Alexander and Bradley winner... (which has crept up on me fairly quickly!)

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

My arse. Khan is the name, the draw, not Paul

Paul is being offered the pay day of his career, and the CHANCE
to win a world belt. No excuses here. Take the fight or shut up.

IF he wins, then maybe he can call the shots and take the big cut!

My arse? Typcial Walshy diverision tactics. 'Say one thing, defend another statement'

Yes, Khan is the draw, no one is disagreeing with that.

But you said "no real bargaining here" - that is total and utter bunkum!

If if McCloskey hadnt something to offer then the Khan's wouldnt be making a second offer.

"Paul is being offered the pay day of his career, and the CHANCE
to win a world belt. No excuses here. Take the fight or shut up."

Eh...er.....NO!! Firstly, I hope you never move into management!

Of course its his biggest pay day - its the first ****in time he has ever fought for a world title. It is the biggest fight of his career, the biggest risk of his career and the pay day should reflect that.

If Khan wants to pay fighters slave wages then fair enough, you can defend that but I wont and I wont stay schtum when a fighter, not just any fighter but an unbeaten European champion, in the Rings magazines top 10 in the weight and the sanctioning organisations top five gets a 95/5 split in the purse!

If he threads water and fights Di Rocco he is likely to be in a position to fight for the vacant WBC title, or even Khans WBA, in the next 9 months.

walshb

No diversion at all; nothing to do with it.

Paul is getting a crack at the world belt, forget business, take the BIGGEST
payday of your career and bloody fight.....

I know well promoters run the show, and this is more than likely the case, so I say it to the promoters more than Paul, take the ****ing fight and stop trying to take a golden opportunity away from your fighter

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

No diversion at all; nothing to do with it.

Paul is getting a crack at the world belt, forget business, take the BIGGEST
payday of your career and bloody fight.....

I know well promoters run the show, and this is more than likely the case, so I say it to the promoters more than Paul, take the ****ing fight and stop trying to take a golden opportunity away from your fighter

But it is diversion.

You said he has no bargaining position, which I disagreed with, then you start saying "Khan is the draw" which no one disagreed with.

You said "Paul has no real bargaining here" - do you stand by that comment? Aye or naw! Now leave the side steppin ta Brian O'Driscoll!

walshb

Vintagekits wrote: »

But it is diversion.

You said he has no bargaining position, which I disagreed with, then you start saying "Khan is the draw" which no one disagreed with.

You said "Paul has no real bargaining here" - do you stand by that comment? Aye or naw! Now leave the side steppin ta Brian O'Driscoll!

C'mon, you are hanging on words here. Yes, he has a little bargaining, but seriously, he is nowhere near being in the driving seat, and rightly so. He has yet to anything on the world scene, despite his Ring rating!

No REAL bargaining! Emphasis on real. Compared to the champ, the name, the belt, what has he to bargain with?

I am not saying he should accept a measly sum of money, but no way should he be getting close to Khan. I would say 70-30 is fair.

Hate to repeat myself, but this is a world title fight, a payday beyond anthing before for Paul, take it, or shut up!

Boooourns

walshb wrote: »

C'mon, you are hanging on words here. Yes, he has a little bargaining, but seriously, he is nowhere near being in the driving seat, and rightly so. He has yet to anything on the world scene.

No REAL bargaining! Emphasis on real. Compared to the champ, the name, the belt, what has he to bargain with?

I am not saying he should accept a measly sum of money, but no way should he be getting close to Khan. I would say 70-30 is fair.

Hate to repeat myself, but this is a world title fight, a payday beyond anthing before for Paul, take it, or shut up!

If you think 70-30 is fair then i wouldn't think Paul is getting anywhere near that. Khan will make huge money off this(which is completley fair as he is the draw) and they're offering Paul 3 times the amount of his last payday, i'm only guessing here but i reckon McCloskey is being offered around 100k while Khan is looking at a couple of million.

walshb

Whatever the figure is, the guy, if he is serious, and wants to fight the best
and win a genuine world title, then he should be jumping at the chance. There
are plenty out there who would take it for nothing. Now, I know the sport is all business, but IF the pay is 2-3 times his best ever, then that is massive.
And if he won't take that, then more fool him!

So what if Khan makes more, and considerably more. That is Khan's business.
He is the draw. Paul has yet to get to that position, and until he does, then
he has nothing to moan about.

Wild_Dogger

walshb wrote: »

he has a little bargaining, ............ I would say 70-30 is fair.

I also said that was fair !

Im thinking it is more like this :
Khan - 1,000,000+ vs McCloskey - 60K

could you rate that as fair ?

on a side note , look how Shannon Briggs got shafted !
750,000 promised ..... he emerges from hospital to greet a purse of 25K minus hospital fees .
Its everything I hate about boxing

walshb

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

I also said that was fair !

Im thinking it is more like this :
Khan - 1,000,000+ vs McCloskey - 60K

could you rate that as fair ?

IF 60 K is more than he has ever earned, then yes, it's fair for him.

Like I said, Khan's earnings are down to Khan, and what he has
to offer. He has proved himself, is the champ, and the name.

Paul is not......

TheProdigy

The only bargaining power McCloskey has is the 0 in his record imo, Khan wouldn't look at him otherwise.

It would take nothing short of a miracle for McCloskey to beat Khan and I think Barry Hearn knows it.

So if Paul loses, and unfortunately I think he will be mauled, his chance of a big payday is inevitably gone, therefore he is pushing for the biggest fee he can get because it is the biggest chance Paul will ever get in boxing.

He needs to be careful he doesn't outprice himself from this fight though and if the offer isn't fair he should not fight Khan because a loss will be severely detrimental to his career. However, he may need to ring a certain John Duddy for a chat because there is only a certain amount of, for lack of a better word, mickey mouse fights he can win before things hit the fan.