University qualifications

ronob

If someone had forgotten to go to college and found themselves approaching 40 with no qualifications could they find a degree from a reputable college online without going through all the learning malarchy.Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.No offence to any business graduates.

Advice welcome.

jester77

ronob wrote: »

If someone had forgotten to go to college and found themselves approaching 40 with no qualifications could they find a degree from a reputable college online without going through all the learning malarchy.Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.No offence to any business graduates.

Advice welcome.

How can you forget something as big as that?

Goto Bangkok and get a fake one made.. No employers check anyway unless it's law or medicine.

FatherLen

get a false degree? no and even if you did, as soon as you went into the industry they would know because you wouldnt be able to do anything. if you are 40 and have no degree go out and get one it will only take a year or two.

chin_grin

There's a great instructional video about this it's called Catch Me If You Can.

FatherLen

FatherLen wrote: »

get a false degree? no and even if you did, as soon as you went into the industry they would know because you wouldnt be able to do anything. if you are 40 and have no degree go out and get one it will only take a year or two.

Not really.. Pretty much all business jobs are inhouse training. My degree didn't help me do my job at all.

Fremen

Try the open university - but if you think you can do it "without going through all the learning malarchy", you're in for a bit of a shock.

fakearms123

I did medicine in trinity but when I finished college I wanted to become a lumberjack by day and a jam maker by night, turns out I didn't have the college qualifications for either

ronob

ronob wrote: »

If someone had forgotten to go to college and found themselves approaching 40 with no qualifications could they find a degree from a reputable college online without going through all the learning malarchy.Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.No offence to any business graduates.

Advice welcome.

People work damn hard for 4 years+ to get a degree so why do you think you should be able to get a fake one with zero work. Just asking the question would lead me to believe you wouldn't have the intelligence to complete a degree.

Deleted User wrote: »

Goto Bangkok and get a fake one made.. No employers check anyway unless it's law or medicine.

Of course they check them. They will throw the CV in the bin if the degree is not from a reputable University.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really.. Pretty much all business jobs are inhouse training. My degree didn't help me do my job at all.

You still learn the basics in your degree which are then build on in training, in any case he will get caught out in an interview when he cant answer a basic question.

mp3guy

ronob wrote: »

If someone had forgotten to go to college and found themselves approaching 40 with no qualifications could they find a degree from a reputable college online without going through all the learning malarchy.Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.No offence to any business graduates.

Advice welcome.

To be honest, this someone is barking up the wrong tree. University qualifications and avoiding "learning malarkey" are polar opposites.

Landyn Defeated Bar

Landyn Defeated Bar wrote: »

Of course they check them. They will throw the CV in the bin if the degree is not from a reputable University.

I was working for months for a european bank and hadn't even shown them my degree because i hadn't graduated.. Then I showed it to them, seen I got my predicted mark and that was it over. One phonecall to a lecturer who's number i provided and that was my reference.

I could have easily had a fake NUIG results page and a friend answer the phone.

karl tyrrell

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fabbydabby

Deleted User wrote: »

Goto Bangkok and get a fake one made.. No employers check anyway unless it's law or medicine.

Wrong. I went for a job where I had to bring in my Master's degree parchment for them to examine and copy and also my results sheet from my exams. And that wasn't law or medicine.

JohnathanM

Deleted User wrote: »

I could have easily had a fake NUIG results page and a friend answer the phone.

IMHO, because degrees are now bog-standard and employers really aren't that fussed outside of any vocational need. I was asked about my degree when applying for my first job, and never again after that. After a level of experience, employers (in my line of work, anyway) just don't seem to care.

Kimono-Girl

J2D2 got a job with a Large American pharmaceutical company (certain degree was required) before he even got his final year results, they didn't even ask him for the degree or his results formally....(a couple of colleagues asked how he got on...etc)

I got a job at a shared services centre of a multinational (degree required) without a degree, my work experience and skills were more then enough, they hired me and have offered me other positions there since...(also degree required).

prinz

ronob wrote: »

Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.

LOL. I'd love to hear you bluff your way through either.

fabbydabby

Hopefully the new recession will keep the Untermenchen out of 3rd level and in the forecourt pumping my gas.

Adyx

ronob wrote: »

If someone had forgotten to go to college and found themselves approaching 40 with no qualifications could they find a degree from a reputable college online without going through all the learning malarchy.Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.No offence to any business graduates.

Advice welcome.

What happened to your life plan to hack criminals?

ronob

fabbydabby wrote: »

Hopefully the new recession will keep the Untermenchen out of 3rd level and in the forecourt pumping my gas.

It was not my intention to offend anyone.It was more of a question regarding the .0001% of people who are qualified and clueless versus the .0001% of people who have natural ability but no qualifications.
Also I've never seen a munchkin pump gas anywhere in my life but am now reallly looking forward to it.

Apologies.

FloatingVoter

I have nothing to say to the OP except good luck. However a warning to anyone posting here who really has bluffed their way into a job - posting on public forums like this is an excellent way to lose said job.

helimachoptor

JohnathanM wrote: »

IMHO, because degrees are now bog-standard and employers really aren't that fussed outside of any vocational need. I was asked about my degree when applying for my first job, and never again after that. After a level of experience, employers (in my line of work, anyway) just don't seem to care.

Agreed, once you get to a certain point your degree becomes largely irrelevant.

Dravokivich

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I have nothing to say to the OP except good luck. However a warning to anyone posting here who really has bluffed their way into a job - posting on public forums like this is an excellent way to lose said job.

yeah.... once we find out who the op is...

aidan24326

Deleted User wrote: »

I was working for months for a european bank and hadn't even shown them my degree because i hadn't graduated.. Then I showed it to them, seen I got my predicted mark and that was it over. One phonecall to a lecturer who's number i provided and that was my reference.

I could have easily had a fake NUIG results page and a friend answer the phone.

Unless you're so vastly experienced that it hardly matters anymore, most employers WILL check. Either by asking to see your actual degree/final results, or by contacting the college directly to verify your qualifications. To do this only takes a phonecall and it would be foolhardy to think they don't do it.

Obviously it depends on your position though. For someone with 12 years verifiable experience going for a very senior position checking degrees might not matter unless the job required it for legal reasons.

helimachoptor

aidan24326 wrote: »

Unless you're so vastly experienced that it hardly matters anymore, most employers WILL check. Either by asking to see your actual degree/final results, or by contacting the college directly to verify your qualifications. To do this only takes a phonecall and it would be foolhardy to think they don't do it.

Obviously it depends on your position though. For someone with 12 years verifiable experience going for a very senior position checking degrees might not matter unless the job required it for legal reasons.

AFAIK do data protection laws not stop employers from calling colleges?
I've only once had to show my degree and that was to the US embassy.

prinz

helimachoptor wrote: »

AFAIK do data protection laws not stop employers from calling colleges?

They can ask for a contact as one of your references. Last job I got they wanted three references, two previous work and one to be academic (i.e. someone to confirm my degree). It's up to you after that if you want to refuse to provide a reference, don't be suprised if you don't get a job).

helimachoptor

prinz wrote: »

They can ask for a contact as one of your references. Last job I got they wanted three references, two previous work and one to be academic (i.e. someone to confirm my degree). It's up to you after that if you want to refuse to provide a reference, don't be suprised if you don't get a job).

Actually good point, didnt think of having an academic reference.

ronob

Adyx wrote: »

What happened to your life plan to hack criminals?

It seemed like a lot of work also I have a very short attention span.
On a seperate note I'm a new member and did'nt realise a lot of people take stuff very seriously.My nappies for dogs idea was not well recieved.I should probably stop posting.
But thank you for your interest in my career path.

FreudianSlippers

I've heard good things about the Open University also.

Orando Broom

I went back to college after 10 years in the wilderness.

I think the actual process of learning and having to learn makes you feel much younger.

You're not as jaded and know-it-all-y and you have to break down the masses of 'received wisdom' you've accumulated from years of not actually having to be correct.

Pherekydes

ronob wrote: »

If someone had forgotten to go to college and found themselves approaching 40 with no qualifications...

You don't get a qualification in a university; you get an education.

I started my degree at 43, and before that I worked for 26 years. How'd I manage that? And seeing as I'm asking rhetorical questions, what have you been doing up to the age of 40?

FreudianSlippers

Pherekydes wrote: »

You don't get a qualification in a university; you get an education.

I started my degree at 43, and before that I worked for 26 years. How'd I manage that? And seeing as I'm asking rhetorical questions, what have you been doing up to the age of 40?

Coma.

GTE

ronob wrote: »

find a degree from a reputable college online without going through all the learning malarchy.Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.No offence to any business graduates.

That is the most pathetic attitude I have come across on here and I hope I never have the opportunity to have to employ you as my cleaner.

biko

Why stop there? Just get a "Doctorate" from that there place in US where Ian Paisley got his from.

orourkeda

ronob wrote: »

If someone had forgotten to go to college and found themselves approaching 40 with no qualifications could they find a degree from a reputable college online without going through all the learning malarchy.Obviously not a medical or law one but something like business studies or hospitality that you could bluff your way through.No offence to any business graduates.

Advice welcome.

There's this new thing called studying

smash

Deleted User wrote: »

Goto Bangkok and get a fake one made.. No employers check anyway unless it's law or medicine.

Really? because google and other large American companies check it out, and only hire people with degrees.

Fremen

ronob wrote: »

It seemed like a lot of work also I have a very short attention span.
On a seperate note I'm a new member and did'nt realise a lot of people take stuff very seriously.My nappies for dogs idea was not well recieved.I should probably stop posting.
But thank you for your interest in my career path.

Post thanked for the insight.

aidan24326

aidan24326 wrote: »

Unless you're so vastly experienced that it hardly matters anymore, most employers WILL check. Either by asking to see your actual degree/final results, or by contacting the college directly to verify your qualifications. To do this only takes a phonecall and it would be foolhardy to think they don't do it.

Well I remember thinking at the time that it was crazy I was working there while showing no proof of degree.. And it was a good job with a big HR department. Maybe they did check it out but the impression I got was that since I knew my stuff in the interview, they waited till I showed them my easily faked results page and that was it.

steve06 wrote: »

Really? because google and other large American companies check it out, and only hire people with degrees.

You've brought your point down to google and big american companies.. I'm only saying what I've seen for myself.

I haven't actually done anything wrong here, just giving an opinion on how many companies are fairly lax about it.

Motley Crue

I think you're ****ed

You would think at 40 you'd be mature enough to know you have to learn to get a qualification...you insult me, I spent years studying for my qualifications, if I could of paid for them it would have defeated the purpose

Copper23

If you are 40 there is no reason you cannot study as a mature student if you really want to do this. As I've said before on here, if it is the case that you are out of work and feel you need this, why not spend your time gaining the skills and qualifications needed rather than sitting on your ass complaining there's no jobs.

I spent 7 years obtaining all of my qualifications and I'm lucky to be in a very good high paying job right now.

Many people I know who are just as qualified find it difficult in these times to get work.

If you get a job that "requires" a degree without one then it means one of two things:
1. You are no more than a glorified coffee runner.
2. You probably blagged your way in ("I know someone") but will be found out immediately and chances of you still being in the job in 12 months are zero.

Of course the other explanation is that the operation you are working for is sub-par and most people with genuine qualifications wouldn't want the job. In my line of work there was the 2000's boom where so many people had jobs and how that it is all filtered out, companies are paying the price or sh*t and unusable code and products. It just doesn't cut it anymore.

Even after 7 years studying, my first day was a baptism of fire, there is no way you can just walk into a big job in a big company "pretending" to know what you are doing or on your "skills" from working in the corner shop and think you won't be found out. These things are too difficult and too important if you are working for a real company.

Tchaikovsky

You sound like the ideal candidate for the HSE.

amacca

fakearms123 wrote: »

I did medicine in trinity but when I finished college I wanted to become a lumberjack by day and a jam maker by night, turns out I didn't have the college qualifications for either

Cool....I thought I was the only one


Oh I'm a lumberjack and I'm O.K.
I make jam all night and I work all day...hey!

aidan24326

helimachoptor wrote: »

AFAIK do data protection laws not stop employers from calling colleges?
I've only once had to show my degree and that was to the US embassy.

I'm not sure about the data protection issue tbh. In general employers are not allowed to phone anybody you've worked for regarding references without your permisison, so it could be the same for 3rd level checks. I'm not sure. Then again if they asked your permission to contact the college you could hardly say no.

keanooo

bbk wrote: »

That is the most pathetic attitude I have come across on here and I hope I never have the opportunity to have to employ you as my cleaner.

Or, if you really wanted to make him suffer, you could employ him as your punctuator.

Maccattack

Pherekydes wrote: »

I started my degree at 43, and before that I worked for 26 years.

Out of interest: What degree and what were you working at? Were they in the same kinda field?

Mrmoe

Deleted User wrote: »

Well I remember thinking at the time that it was crazy I was working there while showing no proof of degree.. And it was a good job with a big HR department. Maybe they did check it out but the impression I got was that since I knew my stuff in the interview, they waited till I showed them my easily faked results page and that was it.


You've brought your point down to google and big american companies.. I'm only saying what I've seen for myself.

I haven't actually done anything wrong here, just giving an opinion on how many companies are fairly lax about it.

Some companies just need it for their records in case they get audited so that they can show they have suitably qualified personnel. I've only ever given a color photocopy which could be easily faked and that was after I already had the job. It will really come down to the type of work/position and more often than not they will have many other means of verification such as the references that you mentioned or publications.

filthymcnasty

Mrmoe wrote: »

Some companies just need it for their records in case they get audited so that they can show they have suitably qualified personnel. I've only ever given a color photocopy which could be easily faked and that was after I already had the job. It will really come down to the type of work/position and more often than not they will have many other means of verification such as the references that you mentioned or publications.

Regarding US companies, I started working as an engineering graduate in 2000 with a US telecoms firm in Dublin city centre. I had yet to receive my final exam results (i passed) and was taken on and worked there for several years without qualifications ever been checked.
A guy who started working the same day in similar role as me failed some of his final exams and never went and repeated them; he still works there now.
2 subsequent jobs with well known UK and US mutli-nationals also never asked to see qualifications.
Point is if you do a good interview and know your **** your in the door. Good references also matter a lot too.

Cat Melodeon

You're 40 OP. Just tell them you did your degree back in 1989 or whatever and that you have no idea where your parchment is. Say you did it in an RTC - how are they going to check that seeing as they don't exist anymore? If you're looking for work in hotels and stuff, they'll be much more interested in your abilities to shag junior receptionists, reuse lemons in drinks and scrape vomit out of lifts than in your academic qualifications anyway. God, I miss hotel work!

Wompa1

filthymcnasty wrote: »

Regarding US companies, I started working as an engineering graduate in 2000 with a US telecoms firm in Dublin city centre. I had yet to receive my final exam results (i passed) and was taken on and worked there for several years without qualifications ever been checked.
A guy who started working the same day in similar role as me failed some of his final exams and never went and repeated them; he still works there now.
2 subsequent jobs with well known UK and US mutli-nationals also never asked to see qualifications.
Point is if you do a good interview and know your **** your in the door. Good references also matter a lot too.

Agreed! And just from my experience of nearly 4 years working in my industry with many different forms or graduates IT, Electronic Engineers, Physicists, Business people etc. from IT's and Universities within Ireland and abroad the place the person graduated from means nothing. Some of the people that went to UCD and Trinity etc. are the laziest and less technical people here, where as there was a person here that went to college in Athlone that was far and away the best worker and had the best technical knowledge.

I know as part of management here it's less about the college/university and more about past work experience and personality. I'd look for gaps in employment history, interests outside of work and their technical apptitude. Examples of being innovative and hard working

If somebody went to University had no previous employment history and did a run of the mill project that didn't use new technologies or have anything that stood out, I'd think they are a paper pusher

FatherLen

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steddyeddy

Deleted User wrote: »

Goto Bangkok and get a fake one made.. No employers check anyway unless it's law or medicine.

And even then sometimes they dont as in the case of frank abignale!

nizo888

A lot of rubbish being spouted in this thread. Regarding US multinationals I can tell you of a few who rigorously check qualifications before offering the role. It may have been different in the past but they have really tightened up on it. I know of a few guys moving roles in an American multinational and they have to produce their qualifications even if they were awarded in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Regarding the OP, why not become a chiropractor? It is not seen as a medical profession here I believe so just set up your practice and off you go. Alternative medicine I think it is called here in Ireland. Just make up degree and tell anyone who asks that you got it in Canada!