Proposed through road at Rathbride Abbey

tcif

aodh_rua wrote: »

The motion about the Rathbride road was the result of requests from the residents of the estate and I am sure you would all agree that it reflects a general feeling in the area.

Hang on a minute, Aodh_rua. This is not "the result of requests from the residents of the estate". Some residents spoke to you, the rest of us have no idea what they actually said, and while I find it hard to believe that anyone really asked for the full extent of what's being proposed, if you want to put forward this view in support of their requests then you're free to do so. But do not suggest, in this forum or elsewhere, that this represents the views of " the residents of the estate" as that implies all of us which is most certainly not the case. Nor, as it is plainly obvious from the sentiments expressed in the posts here, do we "all agree that it reflects a general feeling in the area".

I'm not being pedantic here. You're a Councillor attending KCC meetings, and we're entitled to expect that you're qualifying your statements on this issue to accurately describe who and what you're representing. Or nor representing, in this case.

aodh_rua

tcif wrote: »

Hang on a minute, Aodh_rua. This is not "the result of requests from the residents of the estate". Some residents spoke to you, the rest of us have no idea what they actually said, and while I find it hard to believe that anyone really asked for the full extent of what's being proposed, if you want to put forward this view in support of their requests then you're free to do so. But do not suggest, in this forum or elsewhere, that this represents the views of " the residents of the estate" as that implies all of us which is most certainly not the case. Nor, as it is plainly obvious from the sentiments expressed in the posts here, do we "all agree that it reflects a general feeling in the area".

I'm not being pedantic here. You're a Councillor attending KCC meetings, and we're entitled to expect that you're qualifying your statements on this issue to accurately describe who and what you're representing. Or nor representing, in this case.

Apologies if I wasn't clear - the "the result of requests from the residents of the estate" quote was about the exit from the estate and the lack of sight lines. I think we can all agree that this is an issue. I wasn't referring to the proposed link road.

rathbridemum

"The motion about the Rathbride road was the result of requests from the residents of the estate and I am sure you would all agree that it reflects a general feeling in the area"

THIS DOES NOT REFLECT A GENERAL FEELING IN THE AREA!
I would love to see these people that you say requested a motion to have a main road ploughed through the heart of a large residential area. They must be few and far between as every resident I have spoken to, and there have been many, all share my opinion, that it is a disgrace. There are plenty of other options available to facilitate the school.

tcif

aodh_rua wrote: »

Apologies if I wasn't clear - the "the result of requests from the residents of the estate" quote was about the exit from the estate and the lack of sight lines. I think we can all agree that this is an issue. I wasn't referring to the proposed link road.

Thanks for the clarification. It wasn't clear to me that you were referring only to the sight lines, which I would agree are an issue. One that we're coping with now but which would become (one of many) intolerable issues under the volume of traffic opening the road would attract.

Irish Fire

Is the council taking charge of the estate? Can the builder be forced to hand it over?

aodh_rua

Irish Fire wrote: »

Is the council taking charge of the estate? Can the builder be forced to hand it over?

I was in touch with the Council's development control section for an update on this in the last few weeks, and at the moment there is no proposal to take the overall estate in charge.

Ordinarily the developer eventually hands the estate over to the Council in order to redeem their bond. For this to happen the Council need to be satisfied about the finish of the estate, particularly the road surfaces, footpaths, lights and drains.

It is possible for the residents to start the process too. This can be done via a form signed by a proportion of the registered voters in the estate. There is a downside to this route, as it leaves green areas etc. in the control of the developer who can seek to redevelop them into the future.

Irish Fire

aodh_rua wrote: »

I was in touch with the Council's development control section for an update on this in the last few weeks, and at the moment there is no proposal to take the overall estate in charge.

Ordinarily the developer eventually hands the estate over to the Council in order to redeem their bond. For this to happen the Council need to be satisfied about the finish of the estate, particularly the road surfaces, footpaths, lights and drains.

It is possible for the residents to start the process too. This can be done via a form signed by a proportion of the registered voters in the estate. There is a downside to this route, as it leaves green areas etc. in the control of the developer who can seek to redevelop them into the future.

Is it not the case that a certian amount of green/landscaped space has to be provided within an estate, and if we were to push this process how long does the builder have to sort out any problems? To be honest I'm sick to the back teeth of reporting not only a massive amount of water wasted on a daily basis because of the water leak left by the builder (The reply I got for this is we'll send him a letter) but also major damage done by the builder early last year to a footpath. I'm waiting for the day we have an amulance picking a child out of the crater left by him!!!

If I had water flowing out my gate the council would be knocking on my door within a week and telling me to get it sorted!!!

But I have to say it's bloody typical, we can take control of the roads but not the green areas, is this because the council might have to cut the grass?

What a double standard world we live in!!!

Irranek

Can I just get some clarification please? Do the council intend to take charge of the existing road in the estate which will form part of this link road? If they do not are they proposing to join a public road onto what is effectively a "private" road then?

Irish Fire

rathbridemum wrote: »

"The motion about the Rathbride road was the result of requests from the residents of the estate and I am sure you would all agree that it reflects a general feeling in the area"

THIS DOES NOT REFLECT A GENERAL FEELING IN THE AREA!
I would love to see these people that you say requested a motion to have a main road ploughed through the heart of a large residential area. They must be few and far between as every resident I have spoken to, and there have been many, all share my opinion, that it is a disgrace. There are plenty of other options available to facilitate the school.

"main road" "rat run" their are many words that can be used to describe what the council are proposing..... it's a bloody farce. Some people have expressed a view that the "anti social behaviour" will stop if this road is allowed, I think people need to look at where this behaviour is coming from first before they think a road will stop the problem. Now I know this comment might rattle a few cages but I don’t feel that a roadway will stop this problem.

NedNew2

Irish Fire wrote: »

"main road" "rat run" their are many words that can be used to describe what the council are proposing..... it's a bloody farce. Some people have expressed a view that the "anti social behaviour" will stop if this road is allowed, I think people need to look at where this behaviour is coming from first before they think a road will stop the problem. Now I know this comment might rattle a few cages but I don’t feel that a roadway will stop this problem.

I agree totally. If some residents appear to to support a through road in some misguided belief that this will stop anti-social behaviour then this is a very silly attitude to take and the consequences, as already mentioned, will be many and unwelcome.

If the real problem here is antisocial behaviour then it should be tackled head-on by dealing with the people causing the problem. To somehow think having a road ploughed through the estate will cease anti social behaviour is, quite simply, mad.

Irish Fire

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056145271

K.C.C. got it wrong in Naas so why should we let it happen in Kildare??

Wizard72

Irish Fire wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056145271

K.C.C. got it wrong in Naas so why should we let it happen in Kildare??

Irish Fire is damn right - Its Simple

Can K.K.C. supply us' if anyone with -trace history & results of where they attempted & completed a project of similar spec'.With proven track results in a positive manner re:User & intended occupier -
I would welcome such evidence- lets be honest here they must nave some sort of a 'case study provided to accompany any 'Council Proposal !(the K.C.C .after all must have 'Due cause & direction on any given proposal within the rights of the boundary network /given result on action to be taken"

Perhaps Aodh Rua - can supply reply here with notable case study's-As previous forum notes have aligned their decision ????

"My own position has been in favor of such a road - as long as it does not create a dangerous 'rat run'. I was heavily lobbied during the local elections by the residents of Rathbride Abbey whose properties are closest to the rear boundary as they feel that completing this road will help to reduce the anti-social behaviour that they are experiencing.


Perhaps a moment of re consideration is allowed for Aodh Rua ?

Wizard72'

aodh_rua

Wizard72 wrote: »

Irish Fire is damn right - Its Simple

Can K.K.C. supply us' if anyone with -trace history & results of where they attempted & completed a project of similar spec'.With proven track results in a positive manner re:User & intended occupier -
I would welcome such evidence- lets be honest here they must nave some sort of a 'case study provided to accompany any 'Council Proposal !(the K.C.C .after all must have 'Due cause & direction on any given proposal within the rights of the boundary network /given result on action to be taken"

Perhaps Aodh Rua - can supply reply here with notable case study's-As previous forum notes have aligned their decision ????

"My own position has been in favor of such a road - as long as it does not create a dangerous 'rat run'. I was heavily lobbied during the local elections by the residents of Rathbride Abbey whose properties are closest to the rear boundary as they feel that completing this road will help to reduce the anti-social behaviour that they are experiencing.


Perhaps a moment of re consideration is allowed for Aodh Rua ?

Wizard72'

I think the closest example of what is proposed is the through road at Curragh Grange and Liffey Hall in Newbridge; that road was created an access through the estates between the Green Road and Athgarvan Road. The residents there also had misgivings during the public consultation process, but I think the road works well now. You can find it on Google Maps\Streetview here

I'm at a bit of a loss about the relevance of the Kevin Myers article. Naas Town Council (and formerly UDC) and Kildare County Council have made a number of mistakes in planning in the last ten years - and since my election in 2009 I have been openly critical about a number of planning issues. The article doesn't talk about the roads section, which who are the originators of this plan.

Irish Fire

aodh_rua wrote: »

I think the closest example of what is proposed is the through road at Curragh Grange and Liffey Hall in Newbridge; that road was created an access through the estates between the Green Road and Athgarvan Road. The residents there also had misgivings during the public consultation process, but I think the road works well now. You can find it on Google Maps\Streetview here

I'm at a bit of a loss about the relevance of the Kevin Myers article. Naas Town Council (and formerly UDC) and Kildare County Council have made a number of mistakes in planning in the last ten years - and since my election in 2009 I have been openly critical about a number of planning issues. The article doesn't talk about the roads section, which who are the originators of this plan.

The relevance of the article? By your own admission the council have made number of mistakes. (And a number of mistakes is a massive understatement!!!!) And the road you are talking about was designed as a ring road to take the traffic off the main street and that is what this road will do and as pointed out by a poster earlier, the local shops might as well close their doors. So much for promoting shop local!!!! The town has died a death over the last few years is it the councils idea to put the final nail in the coffin??? You also say that "The article doesn't talk about the roads section, which who are the originators of this plan" do all applications not require some input from the roads section or is this just another cop out by our wonderful county council.......

This road will be a disaster for local business and community!!!!!

I find it ironic that it stops at the graveyard........

rathbridemum

This road will be a disaster for local business and community!!!!!

I find it ironic that it stops at the graveyard........[/QUOTE]

Well said irishfire, It is indeed ironic that it ends at the graveyard! Lets hope that the residents of Rathbride Abbey don't end up in the graveyard burying a child killed on the new road for no other reason than the ineptitude of our local planners and Councilors!

As for Aodh Rua in an earlier post "It is'nt Fair"! I'll tell you whats fair and what isnt fair, its not fair that the children of rathbride abbeys lives will be put at risk so that the council can let the planners and developers of the new school off the hook with their commitments to provide a new road west of the school! Whats not fair? That Councilors will argue that the new road will ensure that children can be dropped safely at the new school, these children will be for the best part young teenagers who have some road sense. What about the children, the toddlers of Rathbride Abbey, no they dont need protection, no not from the 2000 additional cars passing through every day not to mention school buses, step aside little people, make way for KCC, lets hope they dont end up with blood on their hands!!

Irish Fire

It will be a hell of a lot more than 2000 cars a day!!!!

For a start the fact of the matter is the council haven't got the balls to stand up to our wonderful rail service and say we are making the two bridges wider to allow for extra traffic around the town, they let developers away with blue murder.... and now they think the average joe soap will let them do what ever they want with OUR estate. I made a point of moving back to Kildare Town 11 years ago because I spent most of my younger years socialising here and I love the town and I sorry but I'm not letting a bunch of fools living on 1 acre in the middle of nowhere drive a bulldozer through the town I want to spend the rest of my life in!!!

Just to point out Aodh Rua I'm not talking about you whan I comment on the 1 acre residents!!!

rathbride resident

aodh_rua wrote: »

Cllr Doyle's motion included a request for a report on the Council's plans for a distributor road through Rathbride Abbey.

I believe that it's Cllr Suzanne Doyle who proposed and supports this through road through Rathbride Abbey - a quiet family estate- and is actively pushing this link road to go ahead. This is the same Suzanne Doyle who is the proprietor of Bright Beginnings Creche and Montessori in Kildare town. Bright Beginnings creche and Montessori will be situated on the link road beside the bridge at the end of the train station where 2000 cars will have to pass on a daily basis with hundreds of commuters dropping kids to school and creche. This link road is massively beneficial to Suzanne Doyle's Montessori and Creche financially. As many parents will find the accessibility to her creche alot easier with it being on the link road around Kildare and will have to pass it's doorstep to exit the town.

It sickens me that another Cllr is using their position to highly benefit themselves financially and to hell with all the young lives they put in danger in the process.


Mother of 4 young children who does not want this road to go ahead!

Irish Fire

rathbride resident wrote: »

I believe that it's Cllr Suzanne Doyle who proposed and supports this through road through Rathbride Abbey - a quiet family estate- and is actively pushing this link road to go ahead. This is the same Suzanne Doyle who is the proprietor of Bright Beginnings Creche and Montessori in Kildare town. Bright Beginnings creche and Montessori will be situated on the link road beside the bridge at the end of the train station where 2000 cars will have to pass on a daily basis with hundreds of commuters dropping kids to school and creche. This link road is massively beneficial to Suzanne Doyle's Montessori and Creche financially. As many parents will find the accessibility to her creche alot easier with it being on the link road around Kildare and will have to pass it's doorstep to exit the town.

It sickens me that another Cllr is using their position to highly benefit themselves financially and to hell with all the young lives they put in danger in the process.


Mother of 4 young children who does not want this road to go ahead!

No...... would someone do that???

Are you going to the meeting?

Irish Fire

These are points made by one of our councillors and questions and points I have…..


I was heavily lobbied during the local elections by the residents of Rathbride Abbey whose properties are closest to the rear boundary as they feel that completing this road will help to reduce the anti-social behaviour that they are experiencing.

Q: Will this in your honest opinion stop the anti-social behaviour?

One clear flaw I see in the plan as proposed is that the traffic calming etc. is only planned for the section of the road in the ownership of KCC, and none is indicated for the long straight stretch through Rathbride Abbey. As pointed out by a previous poster, this is due to the fact that the estate has not been taken-in-charge by KCC and as such they don't own or have responsibility for the road. I also think work needs to be done to protect the green area at the first right in the estate as this currently opens onto the roadway.

Q: How can a council run traffic through a road it has no control of? Will it be the case that when there are potholes on the section they didn’t lay they won’t repair them because they aren’t in control of this section of road?

In terms of the merits of the road, as things stand the new school is going in at a poorly accessible location. It was supposed to be serviced by a new road network on the south green, which is unlikely to be built any time soon. Instead, access will only be possible via the contra-flowed bridge at the weighbridge. This doubles up as a commuter route to the station, and it floods regularly. The road through Rathbride Abbey is a logical alternative, and the way that the boundary has been left at the end of the current road shows that this was always a long-term plan. It also represents the best value for money for the taxpayer as it only requires a limited section of new road on Council land.

Q:The section of road will allow access to a temporary entrance to the school, why build a road for what will only be an entrance for about 3 years after the school opens?

I would ask residents who feel that the road will adversely affect them to definitely make their feelings known, but if there is a constructive way of dealing with those concerns I hope people can be open to compromise.

No compromise…. NO ROAD!!!! If we let this road go ahead we will not only let the developers of the school away with completing the school correctly we will end up with a ring road running through OUR estate and a town with NO LIFE!!

I think it is important to remember that nothing has been decided. The purpose of a public consultation is to ensure that all opinions and concerns are heard and you have your opportunity, but as I said there are residents in the estate who are very keen for this plan to go ahead.

"I was heavily lobbied during the local elections by the residents of Rathbride Abbey whose properties are closest to the rear boundary as they feel that completing this road will help to reduce the anti-social behaviour that they are experiencing." Q: Is this why??

I think there are very genuine road safety concerns, but I think there are ways of minimising and managing this.

Q: Is the easiest way not to run this rat run in the first place?

As for the cost argument - resources are scarce at the moment, and even if this project is passed it does not follow that funds will be available for the completion of the work. However, the road through the estate does represent the most cost effective way of providing access to the Dunmurry Road. The other routes mentioned are alternatives, but I think they would be too expensive to make them practical in the current climate.

Q:Looking at the plans for the schools the developer they have given €220,000 for the development of access to the schools is this not part funding the project?

I have no doubt about the sincerity of your concerns, and I will be making many similar points in my submission but I think that overall a compromise should be possible to minimise your concerns while also providing an important piece of infrastructure for the community, especially for the children who will soon start to attend the new school.

Q:Temporary infrastructure for the community??

In terms of the accessibility report, as I recall this was an exercise carried out by the local accessibility group in the town and it focussed on how disabled people can make their way around the town. It tried to find a safe route from the health centre on the Tully road to the Tús Nua centre on the Dublin Road

Q:How does this exercise effect the Rathbride Abbey/Dunmurray area?

rathbridemum

rathbride resident wrote: »

I believe that it's Cllr Suzanne Doyle who proposed and supports this through road through Rathbride Abbey - a quiet family estate- and is actively pushing this link road to go ahead. This is the same Suzanne Doyle who is the proprietor of Bright Beginnings Creche and Montessori in Kildare town. Bright Beginnings creche and Montessori will be situated on the link road beside the bridge at the end of the train station where 2000 cars will have to pass on a daily basis with hundreds of commuters dropping kids to school and creche. This link road is massively beneficial to Suzanne Doyle's Montessori and Creche financially. As many parents will find the accessibility to her creche alot easier with it being on the link road around Kildare and will have to pass it's doorstep to exit the town.

It sickens me that another Cllr is using their position to highly benefit themselves financially and to hell with all the young lives they put in danger in the process.


Mother of 4 young children who does not want this road to go ahead!

Thats a very good point Rathbride resident. I think that would be the one and only business on the proposed new road!

Mum2007

aodh_rua wrote: »

I was heavily lobbied during the local elections by the residents of Rathbride Abbey whose properties are closest to the rear boundary as they feel that completing this road will help to reduce the anti-social behaviour that they are experiencing.

This statement I find hard to believe and an insult to our intelligence!. My house is an end house in Rathbride Abbey and right beside this road. I have young children and I would NEVER in a million years lobby for a through road to run by my house to create more noise pollution and a dangerous environment for my young children to play in. I have spoken to a lot of my neighbours over the weekend (2 others being end houses onto this proposed through road) and we are all very much firmly against this idea. My children are awoken a lot during the night with the traffic running by my house at present, I can only imagine how much sleep we will all get if this road is opened up to more boy racers with extremely noisy engines and heavy trucks driving by day and night!

None of my neighbours that I have spoken to that live close and right beside this road were ever contacted or spoke to you regarding this road during the local elections. Are you confusing us with the developers and the people that will benefit from this through road? Because you certainly weren't lobbing on our behalf!

aodh_rua

I spoke with one of the organisers of the residents' meeting last week, and I have offered to meet with the residents or a delegation after the 27th. I think this will provide a constructive way to discuss the issues and to identify a potential for compromise.

In the meantime, I am happy to continue answering specific questions relating to the plan itself and the mechanics of the consultation process.

Q: Will this in your honest opinion stop the anti-social behaviour?

I think it will put an end to people scaling the back walls of houses in order to pass between the estates, and it will also remove the focal point for loitering that the current boundary creates.

Q: How can a council run traffic through a road it has no control of? Will it be the case that when there are potholes on the section they didn’t lay they won’t repair them because they aren’t in control of this section of road?

Like I have already said, the plan is not really feasible if the entire stretch of road isn't taken-in-charge.

Q:The section of road will allow access to a temporary entrance to the school, why build a road for what will only be an entrance for about 3 years after the school opens?

I think the 'temporary' entrance may become a more permanent feature. The South Green road plan includes the school's permanent entrance on a road that does not presently exist. This plan was to be funded using levies from the 2,500 odd houses that were to be built on that land. I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future.

In any case, the precise location of the school entrance doesn't really affect the provision of this road as it will still benefit from a link between the Rathrbide and Dunmurry roads.

"I was heavily lobbied during the local elections by the residents of Rathbride Abbey whose properties are closest to the rear boundary as they feel that completing this road will help to reduce the anti-social behaviour that they are experiencing." Q: Is this why??

I'm not sure I understand this one.

Q: Is the easiest way not to run this rat run in the first place?

That could be said of any road.

Q:Looking at the plans for the schools the developer they have given €220,000 for the development of access to the schools is this not part funding the project?

The project costings would be in excess of €220,000.

Q:Temporary infrastructure for the community??

It isn't temporary. While there is a very longterm proposal for an outer ring road from near Cill Dara GC all the way round to Ger Conway's business park, I don't see this happening for decades. As things stand, this is the only practical proposal for a link between the Rathbride and Dunmurry roads.

Q:How does this exercise effect the Rathbride Abbey/Dunmurray area?

It doesn't. It was looking at how easy it is for mobility-impaired individuals to navigate around the town centre by foot, wheelchair or invalid carriage. The group may intend doing a wider survey in the future, but they are volunteers and need help to broaden their research.

tcif

rathbride resident wrote: »

This link road is massively beneficial to Suzanne Doyle's Montessori and Creche financially. As many parents will find the accessibility to her creche alot easier with it being on the link road around Kildare and will have to pass it's doorstep to exit the town.

So vested interests and poor planning..surprise, surprise! And now we're expected to pay the price? Come on, people. Time to stand up and be counted. We're coming from a climate over the last decade where politicians and local authorities feel they can do what they want and ride rough-shod over us and they need to understand that day is gone. NO ROAD THROUGH OUR HOMES.

Rathbride Ranger

Why not, maybe the residents should get together and buy a site on the new road, let it be known near and far that we propose to build a shop on that site, leave if for say maybe 6 or 7 years and when it comes time to build sure we can just fast track the planning and throw it up because everbody will be used to the idea of a shop, and lets face it lads if we buy the site it should be obvious to everbody what we intend doing, the planning should be a walk in the park. "no surprise in that Tony".

Now just think about it lads, the shop sure wouldn't it be a gold mine, it would be only the second business on the Rathbride Rat Run, we could take all of the remaining business from the town, I have something small in mind now, maybe a new supervalu or something like that.

Think of it guys "profit before people" Councilor Doyle would surely support that! We could set up the Rathbride road Chamber of commerce, us and her.

Now all that is the easy part, getting land of the Council no problem, all we would have to do is fund the R151, for those of you that have not yet read the plans thats the new link road, yes thats R for regional!

Planning, no problem sure the idea is out there now and everybody is getting used to it!

Access for the delivery trucks, no problem, thats right the new road will be there and those deliverys normally come in the middle of the night so we would all get to hear them coming and going!

The difficult part! Well lets face it lads there has got to be a kick back in it for the Councilors, thats how the world works these days so with election time looming what better kick back than publicity. Heres the plan, the residents of Rathbride Abbey in conjuction with TV3 will launch a new series of house swap, six of the residents closest to the Rat Run in rathbride abbey will reluctantly move away from the new road and supermarket and swap homes with the six councilors who are in favour of the road.

It will be the ultimate publicity stunt, councilors prepared to risk the safety of thier very own children for the good of Kildare Town. They will embrace change, the link road, and the new shop, that you are all used to the idea of already.

So thats it folks when you see the planning notice going up for the shop don't even bother reading it because the decisions have been made the big boys are onside, no point doing anything about it because you cannot stop it, the councilors are on board. So get your names in fast for house swap, make sure you get a good swap well away from the Rat Run!

Irish Fire

Aodh Rua You say in an earlier post that you think there are very genuine road safety concerns, but I think there are ways of minimising and managing this.

I asked the question: Is the easiest way not to run this rat run in the first place?

Your answer: That could be said of any road.

You also said earlier that: My own position has been in favour of such a road - as long as it does not create a dangerous 'rat run'.

We as residents in the area are of the view that it will become a rat run and with this in mind and your earlier statement that are we to take it that you do not support this road?

Looking at the plans for the schools the developer they have given €220,000 for the development of access to the schools is this not part funding the project?

Your answer: The project costings would be in excess of €220,000. I am well aware of that!!!

Irish Fire

Rathbride Ranger wrote: »

Why not, maybe the residents should get together and buy a site on the new road, let it be known near and far that we propose to build a shop on that site, leave if for say maybe 6 or 7 years and when it comes time to build sure we can just fast track the planning and throw it up because everbody will be used to the idea of a shop, and lets face it lads if we buy the site it should be obvious to everbody what we intend doing, the planning should be a walk in the park. "no surprise in that Tony".

Now just think about it lads, the shop sure wouldn't it be a gold mine, it would be only the second business on the Rathbride Rat Run, we could take all of the remaining business from the town, I have something small in mind now, maybe a new supervalu or something like that.

Think of it guys "profit before people" Councilor Doyle would surely support that! We could set up the Rathbride road Chamber of commerce, us and her.

Now all that is the easy part, getting land of the Council no problem, all we would have to do is fund the R151, for those of you that have not yet read the plans thats the new link road, yes thats R for regional!

Planning, no problem sure the idea is out there now and everybody is getting used to it!

Access for the delivery trucks, no problem, thats right the new road will be there and those deliverys normally come in the middle of the night so we would all get to hear them coming and going!

The difficult part! Well lets face it lads there has got to be a kick back in it for the Councilors, thats how the world works these days so with election time looming what better kick back than publicity. Heres the plan, the residents of Rathbride Abbey in conjuction with TV3 will launch a new series of house swap, six of the residents closest to the Rat Run in rathbride abbey will reluctantly move away from the new road and supermarket and swap homes with the six councilors who are in favour of the road.

It will be the ultimate publicity stunt, councilors prepared to risk the safety of thier very own children for the good of Kildare Town. They will embrace change, the link road, and the new shop, that you are all used to the idea of already.

So thats it folks when you see the planning notice going up for the shop don't even bother reading it because the decisions have been made the big boys are onside, no point doing anything about it because you cannot stop it, the councilors are on board. So get your names in fast for house swap, make sure you get a good swap well away from the Rat Run!

Well said...... It's so true....... Maybe we could call it RAT RUN HOUSE SWAP

tcif

Rathbride Ranger wrote: »

Heres the plan, the residents of Rathbride Abbey in conjuction with TV3 will launch a new series of house swap, six of the residents closest to the Rat Run in rathbride abbey will reluctantly move away from the new road and supermarket and swap homes with the six councilors who are in favour of the road.

Ha ha - I love it! It'll be a much needed dose of Reality (tv) for them!!

Irish Fire

tcif wrote: »

Ha ha - I love it! It'll be a much needed dose of Reality (tv) for them!!

It's the on reality they get.......

Rathbride Ranger

aodh_rua wrote: »

I spoke with one of the organisers of the residents' meeting last week, and I have offered to meet with the residents or a delegation after the 27th. I think this will provide a constructive way to discuss the issues and to identify a potential for compromise.

Aodh Rua has some set of balls on him, compromise! How on earth can he suggest a compromise when we are talking about the safety of our children? You cannot compromise on safety, you cannot put the economics of the situation ahead of the value of a childs life, has "Liathroídí Rua" the balls to come on here right now and put a value on a childs life? I wouldn't thinks so.

Also, isn't it a farce that the planned road to service the school was to be levied on the 2,500 homes that were to be built, just proves that KKC are only interested in a free ride, they'll take what they can as long as its free.

And thanks too by the way for letting us know that we can now look forward to the day when us the tax payers have paid the bill for wreckless developers and planners mistakes, when NAMA have cleaned up the mess with our money and the cosy developers crawl out from the ponds that they are hiding in that we can look forward to the occupants of another 2,500 houses tearing in and out of Rathbrise Abbey every day!

Compromise my ........!

Do the right thing Aodh Rua, you know this Road is wrong be the first councilor to stand up and be counted!

Irish Fire

Rathbride Ranger wrote: »

Aodh Rua has some set of balls on him, compromise! How on earth can he suggest a compromise when we are talking about the safety of our children? You cannot compromise on safety, you cannot put the economics of the situation ahead of the value of a childs life, has "Liathroídí Rua" the balls to come on here right now and put a value on a childs life? I wouldn't thinks so.

Also, isn't it a farce that the planned road to service the school was to be levied on the 2,500 homes that were to be built, just proves that KKC are only interested in a free ride, they'll take what they can as long as its free.

And thanks too by the way for letting us know that we can now look forward to the day when us the tax payers have paid the bill for wreckless developers and planners mistakes, when NAMA have cleaned up the mess with our money and the cosy developers crawl out from the ponds that they are hiding in that we can look forward to the occupants of another 2,500 houses tearing in and out of Rathbrise Abbey every day!

Compromise my ........!

Do the right thing Aodh Rua, you know this Road is wrong be the first councilor to stand up and be counted!

The only reason the school is going where it is, is because the go the site for nothing!!!! And this was part of the reason for the 2,500 houses being allowed in the first place!!! Majority of the tow feel that the school should have been put where it was to go in the first place!!!!

Bloody typical of K.C.C. paid off by the wealthy in the town and to hell with everyone else. WHAT FOOL (and I'm being polite) granted planning for the school in the first place, the town centre has now lost its heart by loosing the schools to the outskirts of the town!!! And the council can't even do this right and put the entrance where it is supposed to go in the first place on the old road!!!!

God help these self gratifying councillors when they call to my door!!!!!! Might run against them myself...... “Oh we don’t have the money….” “And it’s the cheapest way to resolve the roads problem” WELL THAT’S NOT OUR FAULT!!! WE as taxpayers in this corrupt country of ours have paid for the national financial cock up, so why should we have to pay again for the councils cock up? Well to hell with the council and the bloody horse they rode in on!!!!! This is not fair on the people of Kildare Town

K.C.C. HAVE RAPED KILDARE ENOUGH TIMES!!!!! Second last thing to go was the court house and now we loose the schools to the outskirts of the town???

Go back the hell hole you crawled out of!!!!