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Buying a replacement GFX card...
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15-01-2011 5:56pm#1
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i think the performance of that card is too low, the batman benchies are medium settings with no AA( AA takes a huge hit on ATI cards because it doesnt support it in game, but you can fudge it to pretent an ATI card is an Nvidia card ).
Fallout 3 has a min FPS of 22 which is too low. Bioshock 2 results are on low settings with 0AA and 0AF. Theyre not comparable to running games on high, also 1280x1024 needs AA
You are quite right sir, I have just facepalmed myself. I was aiming foor the lowest price acceptable card but I undershot a little for maxing out games.
I don't know why I didn't check the settings used
. I was debating between the 5750 and the 5670 and I let those numbers tip me towards the 5670 (who benchmarks at low quality seriously 
). Turns out Mass Effect 2 with all bells and whistles would be only borderline acceptable.
A 5750 would definately be enough for the current monitor,but I see the possibility of a monitor upgrade has been thrown into the mix which changes things signifigantly.Yes it makes a huge difference, no AA means crappy jaggies everywhere, its worse at 1280x1024 compared to a 22" screen which is 1680x1050 because the pixels are bigger on your screen
Depends on the screen you get, if its a 24" and you expect max in 2 years, not a chance, a 22" 1680x1050 screen maybe,
You can match console gfx with a 40euro second hand gfx card. €150-160 will bag you a decent card.
I think you are being slightly pessimistic the longevity of cards in this age of console ports, the HD 4870 which I am using was launched 2 1/2 years old and there are probably less than half a dozen games it cannot completely max out @1080p (but get very close to max all the same) and I don't see that list increasing greatly in size in 2011 I have to say.
I could definately see say a 460 or 6850 performing admirably @1080p in two years time.0 -
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not at all, if you see my post above, second hand i recommended a 260 or 4870, the thing is those were top end( 4870 )->mid range( 260 ) cards at the time and had fantastic performance but like anything techy, instead of them becoming cheaper over time, they just release replacements and even a 5770 at stock was below 4870 performance. So a 4870/260 for 80euro second hand will beat any new card that costs 120euro @ stock clocks on all cards
That is all true, however I was only really disagreeing with the sentance "Depends on the screen you get, if its a 24" and you expect max in 2 years, not a chance", for a card with a 150 euro budget. Simply becasue I feel that a stage has been reached where even with the current upper mid range / lower high end cards like the GT460/6850 (not sure exactly where they belong), will probably be comfortably maxing out games @1080p in two years time. For two main reasons, firstly that games that will really push the boat on PC in the immediate future look to be few and far between, and secondly few enough are likely to go beyond 1080p to even higher resolutions / eyefinity setups because of the expense involved.
It could be I am just over pessimistic about near future gaming innovation and development though
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Also comparing 5770 to 4870 performance is a little unfair as the launch price of the 4870 was about 300 dollars compared to roughtly 160 for the 5770. As high end cards though the 5870/5850 should be though of as the real replacements for the 48XXs.0 -
i agree completely on the fact that the next 2 years of PC gaming will be mostly ports unfortunately, however to run most games at max settings( but only 2xAA ), youre talking minimum 4870 or nvidia 260 in the second hand market. New theres only really the Nvidia 460 768Meg card. You can of course run games on lesser cards like the 5770/5750/5670/Nvidia 450 etc. however average performance will be down.marco_polo wrote: »That is all true, however I was only really disagreeing with the sentance "Depends on the screen you get, if its a 24" and you expect max in 2 years, not a chance", for a card with a 150 euro budget. Simply becasue I feel that a stage has been reached where even with the current upper mid range / lower high end cards like the GT460/6850 (not sure exactly where they belong), will probably be comfortably maxing out games @1080p in two years time. For two main reasons, firstly that games that will really push the boat on PC in the immediate future look to be few and far between, and secondly few enough are likely to go beyond 1080p to even higher resolutions / eyefinity setups because of the expense involved.
It could be I am just over pessimistic about near future gaming innovation and development though.
Also comparing 5770 to 4870 performance is a little unfair as the launch price of the 4870 was about 300 dollars compared to roughtly 160 for the 5770. As high end cards though the 5870/5850 should be though of as the real replacements for the 48XXs.
My point on comparison of the 5770 wasnt to make it look unfair, but simply to highlght older top end cards dont become cheapo low priced cards and nothing else really.
My trusty old Nvidia 260 216SP would max everything, but theres been no proper replacements for that card by ATI or Nvidia in the cheapo sector.
If i was asked to do this the cheapest way i would say OP, buy a second hand 8800GT for 50euro, it will run most things maxed at 1280x1024 with 2xAA. Then when you get your new screen go for a 150euro card at that time.0 -
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ahhh, a 5850 is faster than a 6850, however not by much( its just the reference models of the 5850 had overvolting so you could OC them like the clappers and go beyond 5870 stock performanceIf I looked at the 6850, would it best to go with ASUS, Sapphire or MSI? They all seem to get roughly the same marks, so it's probably just a matter of price.
Oh and I got it wrong above - I had a 5850 that died on me!
Ah but can I wait much longer with this 7 year old GFX card... )
As for branding, well theres hardly any difference, Asus give warranty support on overclocking and overvolting so personally i would go with that for the simple fact that youre covered if you want to get more out of your card, you normally get 15% extra performance from overclocking( some cards are nuts and will go to 50% lol, my old 3750 managed that ). Doesnt sound like much but if your game is running at 35 FPS it brings it up to a nice 40-41FPS. Again base it on price. My current card is a Sapphire 6970 but i only went with that because it came with a mini displayport->Displayport adapter in the box which i need for eyefinity.
I know what you mean, using old cards suck lol, theres very little performance difference between the 6850 and Nvidia 1Gig 460 so make your decision on price there also.0 -
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