Submitting work to Magazines etc

Neasha

Had anyone ever done that and been sucsessful?

If so can you give me some advice on how it is done. For college this year I have decided to do a Fashion project and would be interested to know if I can just submit them to a magazie for oublication or does it not work that?

Anyways any information possible on this would so appreciated. Thanks guys.

Dylan

http://dylanhansard.blogspot.com/

PCPhoto

fashion magazines rarely use pics of an event unless they send a photographer to it.

Might be worth contacting some of the "social" type magazines and see if they are open to accepting freelance images.

Dont be surprised if they tell you they don't accept submissions - you could always ask if they wanted to do a feature on your "project" .... be prepared to meet with editors (and you pay for the lunch/drinks) .... pitch the idea correctly and you could be printed over a series of publications.

Best of luck with it - feel free to ask for help, plenty of us here willing to help

Borderfox

Image Magazine have a "Miranda Section" for events, a good few of these type of magazines have event sections. You need to shoot around 30 portraits from the event all captioned and a lot of them like them sent in by disc with a contact sheet of the pictures

newbridgemom

You could submitting to blogs who specialise in the work you do. They are looking for content daily and might be interested.

Neasha

Do you have a link to any blogs you know of?

condra

Didn't someone here on boards recently have something published in a newspaper?

I think it was via a "middleman" service/site or something.

PCPhoto

I do that for the national newspapers, with magazines there's less of a deadline so less pressure on getting the image in.

DotOrg

condra wrote: »

Didn't someone here on boards recently have something published in a newspaper?

I think it was via a "middleman" service/site or something.

i would have lots of pictures published in newspapers over the past few years. Mostly through contacting the paper first and asking if they'd like the pictures i was taking and if they say yes, i send them in

mdebets

condra wrote: »

Didn't someone here on boards recently have something published in a newspaper?

I think it was via a "middleman" service/site or something.

If you have news pictures that might be of wider interest, you could try Demotix. They are basically an international news agency, which publishes photos and stories of everyone. So you can just submit stories to them, and they most likely will accept them (they even make some corrections to the text).

PCPhoto

DotOrg wrote: »

i would have lots of pictures published in newspapers over the past few years. Mostly through contacting the paper first and asking if they'd like the pictures i was taking and if they say yes, i send them in

some of the papers have moved exclusively to FTP (File transfer protocol) - and do not pass the details out.

some are still using email but have filters for unsolicited emails - in your situation they would have been watching their spam filters as you had contacted them and they were interested in the pics you were offering.

I don't charge for passing the images through me to the papers - I've done it for a decent amount of boardsies and have then told them who to contact and how to create an invoice - if they were printed.....I do it because I cant be everywhere and if someone gets a pic that becomes part of a national news story .... then they can earn money by sending it out though me.

PCPhoto

mdebets wrote: »

If you have news pictures that might be of wider interest, you could try Demotix. They are basically an international news agency, which publishes photos and stories of everyone. So you can just submit stories to them, and they most likely will accept them (they even make some corrections to the text).

I dont think I have ever seen a pic (or caption under a pic) from Demotix in the Irish newspapers.... they might have links to some european papers but its possible images they send to the Irish media could be blocked by spam filters ...they show the images on their website so it looks like they have loads of pictures from all over the world.

I'd be fairly certain Demotix dont do it for free.

mdebets

PCPhoto wrote: »

I dont think I have ever seen a pic (or caption under a pic) from Demotix in the Irish newspapers.... they might have links to some european papers but its possible images they send to the Irish media could be blocked by spam filters ...they show the images on their website so it looks like they have loads of pictures from all over the world.

Don't know about Irish newspaper (might be that they just don't know Demotix yet), but they regularly publish pictures in leading US and UK papers.

PCPhoto wrote: »

I'd be fairly certain Demotix dont do it for free.

Yes, they do take 50% cut of the price they sell the picture for. But they charge a fair price to the newspaper (roughly in line with what the newspapers normally pay). So I think it's a fair deal (especially if you are a new photographer), as they give you exposure to newspapers and media outlets, which you probably would not be able to sell pictures to otherwise.

PCPhoto

mdebets wrote: »

Don't know about Irish newspaper (might be that they just don't know Demotix yet), but they regularly publish pictures in leading US and UK papers.


Yes, they do take50% cut of the price they sell the picture for. But they charge a fair price to the newspaper (roughly in line with what the newspapers normally pay). So I think it's a fair deal (especially if you are a new photographer), as they give you exposure to newspapers and media outlets, which you probably would not be able to sell pictures to otherwise.

ouch !!

I think boardsies would prefer free compared to 50%.... I wouldn't consider 50% as a fair deal for a company to take for simply passing an image to the papers..... who is responsible if the person who submitted the image has altered it or created the image via photoshop? I'm guessing they would blame the photographer who submitted it. (a good few years ago there was an image printed in Irish papers which had a mans nose replaced by a pen1s - the photographer had an issue with the person photographed and thought he would teach him a lesson)

Just out of interest - are you linked in any way to demotix or have you used them?, your posts seem to indicate a like for them...(EDIT) .. nevermind that.... looked at the website.... I assume its your images are on it....did you make any money from it?

Anyway - we've gone slightly off topic - the OP is asking about fashion magazines, not newspapers and this is quite a different area of photography (you are allowed or were expected to "photoshop" for magazines - its not permitted for newspapers)

mdebets

PCPhoto wrote: »

ouch !!

I think boardsies would prefer free compared to 50%.... I wouldn't consider 50% as a fair deal for a company to take for simply passing an image to the papers..... who is responsible if the person who submitted the image has altered it or created the image via photoshop? I'm guessing they would blame the photographer who submitted it. (a good few years ago there was an image printed in Irish papers which had a mans nose replaced by a pen1s - the photographer had an issue with the person photographed and thought he would teach him a lesson)

Just out of interest - are you linked in any way to demotix or have you used them?, your posts seem to indicate a like for them...(EDIT) .. nevermind that.... looked at the website.... I assume its your images are on it....did you make any money from it?

Anyway - we've gone slightly off topic - the OP is asking about fashion magazines, not newspapers and this is quite a different area of photography (you are allowed or were expected to "photoshop" for magazines - its not permitted for newspapers)

I personally do submit pictures to Demotix and have sold 1 picture so far.

If you are selling pictures via an agency, you always have to compare the cut they are taking to the benefit of the service they are providing. An agency is not only passing on an image.
They are providing images to newspaper to choose from. Imagine how much time it would cost for a photographer to email pictures to all potential customers, if you don't already have an established connection with them (and how long it took, to establish this connection). Not forgetting that an editor of a large newspaper might not even look at your pictures if you send them to him out of the blue.
They are invoicing the newspapers, so you don't have to buy several newspapers, just to check which ones used the pictures and then invoice them.
They take care that the buyers don't abuse the license they bought and are using pictures illegally.
They are keeping an archive, so there is the potential that a picture could be sold at a later stage as well.
If you are a well established photographer, who has a few newspapers which buy pictures of him regularly, it might not be worth it, but for a photographer just starting out, it might be a useful tool to get published.

PCPhoto

mdebets wrote: »

I personally do submit pictures to Demotix and have sold 1 picture so far.

If you are selling pictures via an agency, you always have to compare the cut they are taking to the benefit of the service they are providing. An agency is not only passing on an image.

compare the cut ??? benefit of the service ....have you read my posts - I do the same thing for people on boards ... for free - no fee, nada.

mdebets wrote: »

They are providing images to newspaper to choose from. Imagine how much time it would cost for a photographer to email pictures to all potential customers, if you don't already have an established connection with them (and how long it took, to establish this connection). Not forgetting that an editor of a large newspaper might not even look at your pictures if you send them to him out of the blue.

I am an established photojournalist in Ireland - I regularly get images into the papers (every day - except maybe some sundays) - the reason an editor may not look at an image is that it may be caught in the spam filters - which is why I offer to submit the images for boardsies through me - I have the FTP details for the papers and emails for the others, I am a recognised source of news images for picture desks in Ireland

mdebets wrote: »

They are invoicing the newspapers, so you don't have to buy several newspapers, just to check which ones used the pictures and then invoice them.

so they invoice and you assume they are telling you the truth on the various deals they have with newspapers - some papers will pay more than others, sunday papers pay more for images than daily papers.

mdebets wrote: »

They take care that the buyers don't abuse the license they bought and are using pictures illegally.

how? .... are they checking every regional paper in Ireland - lots of National papers have regional "sister" papers ? I doubt very much they have people dotted around the country checking these papers and this means potentially - they are not trying to make money for you.

mdebets wrote: »

They are keeping an archive, so there is the potential that a picture could be sold at a later stage as well.

so they keep your images on file? ... who retains the copyright? if you close your account with them do they delete the images you have submitted?

mdebets wrote: »

If you are a well established photographer, who has a few newspapers which buy pictures of him regularly, it might not be worth it, but for a photographer just starting out, it might be a useful tool to get published.

as I have already mentioned - I do the same thing and do not charge people on boards.ie ..... you get 100% of the money earned and advice on how and who to send the invoice to.

mdebets

PCPhoto wrote: »

compare the cut ??? benefit of the service ....have you read my posts - I do the same thing for people on boards ... for free - no fee, nada.

I am an established photojournalist in Ireland - I regularly get images into the papers (every day - except maybe some sundays) - the reason an editor may not look at an image is that it may be caught in the spam filters - which is why I offer to submit the images for boardsies through me - I have the FTP details for the papers and emails for the others, I am a recognised source of news images for picture desks in Ireland

While I think that's very good of you to do, you can't really compare this to Demotix.

Do you only do this as a once off, or also for photographers shooting on a regular basis (several times a week)?
What would be the limit for you numbers-wise. Could you do this service for 10, 20 or more photographers, especially if they send in pictures every other day or even every day?
To how many newspapers do you sent the pictures of other photographers to? Only to Irish newspapers or to international newspapers as well?
Do you send photos for other photographers, if you have covered the event yourself, thereby creating competition for yourself?
Do you correct captions and keywords for the other photographers?
You don't invoice the newspaper, the photographer still has to do it.
Do you provide an archive that newspapers could use if they would need non-current pictures?

What's your opinion on the more traditional news and photo agencies, like Reuters, AFP or Getty?

PCPhoto wrote: »

so they invoice and you assume they are telling you the truth on the various deals they have with newspapers - some papers will pay more than others, sunday papers pay more for images than daily papers.

How do the photographers that send pictures to you know that you don't have a side deal with the newspapers and they are paying you on the side, and a smaller amount to the photographers?

It's called trust (in both cases) and I presume it would come out sooner or later if Demotix would do such a thing, due to the large number of newspapers they supply and photographers they have.

PCPhoto wrote: »

how? .... are they checking every regional paper in Ireland - lots of National papers have regional "sister" papers ? I doubt very much they have people dotted around the country checking these papers and this means potentially - they are not trying to make money for you.

I doubt too that they have people like that in Ireland, as they sell relatively little in Ireland. However they have more incentives to find violations of their licensing agreements, as they are loosing money if pictures they provided are used illegally (at least they have more incentives then you have for the photos you sent out for other photographers)

PCPhoto wrote: »

so they keep your images on file? ... who retains the copyright? if you close your account with them do they delete the images you have submitted?

You retain full copyright of your pictures and can remove them at any time you want.

PCPhoto wrote: »

as I have already mentioned - I do the same thing and do not charge people on boards.ie ..... you get 100% of the money earned and advice on how and who to send the invoice to.

As always if you use a third party service, you have to see if it is of benefit for you or if you could do the same for cheaper and base your decision on it.

For me personally, the 50:50 cut offers a fair deal, for others it might not. It's down to personal choice.

And I see you seem at least to think that the site has at least some value (I presume the www-PCPhoto-ie username on Demotix is you).

PCPhoto

mdebets wrote: »

While I think that's very good of you to do, you can't really compare this to Demotix.

Do you only do this as a once off, or also for photographers shooting on a regular basis (several times a week)?

I do it whenever asked

mdebets wrote: »

What would be the limit for you numbers-wise. Could you do this service for 10, 20 or more photographers, especially if they send in pictures every other day or even every day?

As long as it doesnt impact on my ability to do my own work

mdebets wrote: »

To how many newspapers do you sent the pictures of other photographers to? Only to Irish newspapers or to international newspapers as well?

that would depend on the story - but mainly just the national papers in Ireland.

mdebets wrote: »

Do you send photos for other photographers, if you have covered the event yourself, thereby creating competition for yourself?

if a photographer is at the same event as myself then I have no problem sending in images from them - but like I said before as long as it doesnt impact on my work.

mdebets wrote: »

Do you correct captions and keywords for the other photographers?

I do check the captions and in some cases create captions - keywords are not necessary - they are only used for filing purposes.

mdebets wrote: »

You don't invoice the newspaper, the photographer still has to do it.

The reason behind this is so the photographer can gain an insight into how to invoice and who to invoice and also prove that I don't have a "deal on the side"

mdebets wrote: »

Do you provide an archive that newspapers could use if they would need non-current pictures?

I have my own archive which is offline on external hard drives and DVD's - I know what images I have done in the past number of years and if I need to find an image I usually find it.

mdebets wrote: »

What's your opinion on the more traditional news and photo agencies, like Reuters, AFP or Getty?

Don't really know much about them or their workings - some of the lads that work for them are easy going.

mdebets wrote: »

How do the photographers that send pictures to you know that you don't have a side deal with the newspapers and they are paying you on the side, and a smaller amount to the photographers?

The photographers invoice the paper directly so once they are printed its the responsibility of the photographer to get the money from the paper - this way there is transparency as to how much the photographer earns, I have in the past paid people straight away and invoiced myself but the papers can sometimes be slow to pay and I found it was pointless me paying out straight away and waiting 6-8weeks and sometimes more before I receive payment.

I still do this with some photographers - even though I haven't been paid from one paper since October - they owe me about 2.5K and thats before I send in Jan invoice

mdebets wrote: »

It's called trust (in both cases) and I presume it would come out sooner or later if Demotix would do such a thing, due to the large number of newspapers they supply and photographers they have.

That would be if people were checking themselves and not trusting Demotix

mdebets wrote: »

I doubt too that they have people like that in Ireland, as they sell relatively little in Ireland. However they have more incentives to find violations of their licensing agreements, as they are loosing money if pictures they provided are used illegally (at least they have more incentives then you have for the photos you sent out for other photographers)

I have a brief look - and expect that the photographer (or other boardsie) will check the papers themselves..... which is why I usually only deal with the national papers - only a handful of papers to check.

mdebets wrote: »

You retain full copyright of your pictures and can remove them at any time you want.
As always if you use a third party service, you have to see if it is of benefit for you or if you could do the same for cheaper and base your decision on it.
For me personally, the 50:50 cut offers a fair deal, for others it might not. It's down to personal choice.
And I see you seem at least to think that the site has at least some value (I presume the www-PCPhoto-ie username on Demotix is you).

Yes - I decided that a story that I was working on yesterday had more international appeal and signed up to try the service, if I cover a story which has international interest I may try them again, its always work checking out how someone else does the same thing and see how their model works.... who knows I could be the Irish department of Demotix in the future.