Who to Vote for in Laois????

token56 · 28-02-2011 3:16pm

The official response from the SWP is that the leaflet is fake and not representative of them. I have no reasons not to believe them and it would have been quite easy for someone to fabricate such a leaflet. So it seems as though someone/some group was simply looking to run a smear campaign under the false appearance of the SWP. I'd be interested to know who it was but I doubt they'd ever let themselves be known.

maccored · 28-02-2011 3:25pm

artful_codger wrote: »

you mean, like, bombing and shooting people to further your aims.

...sounds familiar that.

Familiar from where exactly?

MickShamrock · 28-02-2011 3:38pm

token56 wrote: »

The official response from the SWP is that the leaflet is fake and not representative of them. I have no reasons not to believe them and it would have been quite easy for someone to fabricate such a leaflet. So it seems as though someone/some group was simply looking to run a smear campaign under the false appearance of the SWP. I'd be interested to know who it was but I doubt they'd ever let themselves be known.

Two birds with one stone, if you will.

MickShamrock · 28-02-2011 3:41pm

artful_codger wrote: »

you mean, like, bombing and shooting people to further your aims.

...sounds familiar that.

Yeah, I heard Portarlington was pretty bad alright.

Is mise le key · 28-02-2011 4:14pm

token56 wrote: »

Went home on Friday to vote but hadn't been home for a while so didn't really get to see much of the candidates but I was told by my family that Rotimi was actually the only candidate that personally called around to the house and talked to them. However I was also shown quite a slanderous leaflet regarding Rotimi that was put through the post box just a few minutes before he arrived from the SWP. It seemed that this was being handed in to every house before Rotimi got there. I was quite appalled with its content and didn't know such slander was permitted. Does anyone have any more insight into this, and was the same leaflet handed into different estates?

Can i enquire as to exactly when this happened?
Was it on the thursday or the friday?

token56 · 28-02-2011 4:44pm

MickShamrock wrote: »

Two birds with one stone, if you will.

Indeed, certainly seems like it.

Is mise le key wrote: »

Can i enquire as to exactly when this happened?
Was it on the thursday or the friday?

Thursday evening to the best of my knowledge.

ILA · 01-03-2011 3:23am

Brian Stanley TD. The people have spoken. Haters away with ye and yer begrudgery!

adser53 · 01-03-2011 11:42am

Good man Brian

But 2 FF elected?! Do they have to rob a child or something before people stop giving them votes?!

Christ am I the only one in Laois/Offaly that has been screwed by these useless pricks?

Is mise le key · 01-03-2011 12:13pm

adser53 wrote: »

Good man Brian

But 2 FF elected?! Do they have to rob a child or something before people stop giving them votes?!

Christ am I the only one in Laois/Offaly that has been screwed by these useless pricks?

No and the United Left Alliance will be on the ground for every single dispicable act FF, FG or LAB attempt to force on the people of Laois Offaly.

MickShamrock · 01-03-2011 12:48pm

adser53 wrote: »

But 2 FF elected?!

Hard to believe alright. Seems like the majority of people in Laois/Offaly are happy with job Fianna Fail were doing! :pac:

An Ri rua · 01-03-2011 7:49pm

token56 wrote: »

It is indeed, but actually as you imply, no one can be sure who actually delivered them and what their intentions where, it could have been an attack on both in some sense. Either way I'm just wondering is such slander allowed?

Awful stuff, no place in Irish politics. How about someone snitches on who it was. Go on. It'll make for a bit of craic.

If I had the funds, I'd give a reward to 'out' these fake socialists. although personally I think its as above, someone trying to stitch both parties.

If anyone knows any more, they should put the info in a private envelope and forward it to a credible authority.

elvis jones · 01-03-2011 7:56pm

ILA wrote: »

Brian Stanley TD. The people have spoken. Haters away with ye and yer begrudgery!

SOME of the people have spoken..........

An Ri rua · 01-03-2011 8:01pm

artful_codger wrote: »

you mean, like, bombing and shooting people to further your aims.

...sounds familiar that.

You're so predictable, the thought processes of an angry 13 year old. Where have you done your research? Jane's?

adser53 · 01-03-2011 11:43pm

elvis jones wrote: »

SOME of the people have spoken..........

Ahhh democracy

And 70% of the county electorate have spoken, those that didn't lost the right to moan IMO

HanyuPinyin · 02-03-2011 4:34pm

An Ri rua wrote: »

John Boland is running in Laois / Offaly as an Independent. and In Longford Westmeath. Its a pity he's still able to 'run', as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you finally answer question. Now know name of big puppy farmer. Find location next.

artful_codger · 02-03-2011 8:56pm

An Ri rua wrote: »

You're so predictable, the thought processes of an angry 13 year old. Where have you done your research? Jane's?

you = what.

Adams carries the coffin of the Shankill Bomber.
http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-44495-galleryV9-vpee.jpg

anyways, i've no interest in discussing this any further. Most Irish voters don't vote on ideological beliefs, this election was the haves versus the have nots. There are more have nots since the recession and this has reflected in the ground gained by the party of the have nots. The haves will have voted for FG or Labour, they being the middle classes, the public sector workers - people with a stake in society. The have nots will have voted for Sinn Fein and the ULA - many of them are the new welfare class, those who are lashing out and want to blame anyone but themselves.
Socialists? morelike failed Capitalists. What have the Romans ever done for us...

adser53 · 03-03-2011 8:13am

artful_codger wrote: »

The have nots will have voted for Sinn Fein and the ULA - many of them are the new welfare class, those who are lashing out and want to blame anyone but themselves.
Socialists? morelike failed Capitalists. What have the Romans ever done for us...

Eh and why should they blame themselves? The thousands of construction workers (amongst others) currently sitting on their holes at home didn't ask for that to happen. People want to work and its not their fault they're the new welfare class. They've been let down by the government and should blame them! And the ex government should be held to account for their failings.

An Ri rua · 03-03-2011 2:29pm

artful_codger wrote: »

you = what.

Adams carries the coffin of the Shankill Bomber.
http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-44495-galleryV9-vpee.jpg

anyways, i've no interest in discussing this any further. Most Irish voters don't vote on ideological beliefs, this election was the haves versus the have nots. There are more have nots since the recession and this has reflected in the ground gained by the party of the have nots. The haves will have voted for FG or Labour, they being the middle classes, the public sector workers - people with a stake in society. The have nots will have voted for Sinn Fein and the ULA - many of them are the new welfare class, those who are lashing out and want to blame anyone but themselves.
Socialists? morelike failed Capitalists. What have the Romans ever done for us...

And the British royalty, government and public servants stood proudly over their armed forces, even when collusion and atrocities (murder) became publicly known (only recently have apologies been given at Prime Minister level. I shed a tear for all involved, including young clueless soldiers. Did you incidentally?). There are no innocent parties in a war, apart from the innocent bystanders. Of course the leaders of Sinn Fein have blood on their hands. Every leader does in a conflict. That is not the case todsy. Sinn Fein and the PIRA ceased all conflict and are working towards harmony. Your denial of their mandate prolongs the country's problem, whereas men and women of true heart would recognise that their ideological opponents work in good faith etc. That is why Sinn Fein and the DUP share power. Because, in fact, the extremes are more similar in character than the centre.

So much bashing of Sinn Fein. Do you think they are demonic? They may be the opposite of your political flavour but there can be no doubt of the good work they do at ground level. Just ask in any of the areas where they are strong.
You do irish democracy and irish politics a great disservice by not allowing the full spectrum to flourish. It is in this way that our society is represented most fully. I am happy to see Sinn Fein with 14 TDs, I am happy to see FG in power. If that is what my fellow citizens wish.

Can you say the same?? Do you wish for everyone's freedoms to be maximised, even those of Republicans?

Regarding the have-nots, you speak as if a citizen should not vote for those that recognise their predicament, their needs and work to address it? That's a very strange presupposition to make in judging a voter's clarity of mind? what, you feel they are populist if they vote for job stimulus packages over bank bailouts?

THings are going ok for you so, I can only presume. Which implies that instead of voting for the nation's health, you just voted for yours.

How can a country where tax take is declining (it is, VAT is down, although IT is up slightly) and massive outgoings of rent, mortgages, fuel are only going to increase, ever hope to pay its way? The battle-station focus should be on USING the 450k unemployed as an asset, not a liability. In order for this to happen, policy must change. Fund industry, not black hole banks. Much to your chagrin, I'm sure, it will be a shock to realise that the Chinese government forced €600m of credit, initially, into the SME markets in order to keep exports up, keep the citizens earning and, WAIT FOR IT, keep the citizens buying gold bullion (saving). Because while Dermot Ahern was encouraging you to SPEND to save our domestic economy, Chinese doyens were lighting an even bigger fire under exports to capitalise on world events and then allowing natural consumption (and saving) to take place.

Perhaps you need to educate yourself regarding wealth creation and debt. Read 'The Richest Man in Babylon', available in most libraries and written after the Great Depression. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Richest-Man-Babylon-George-Clason/product-reviews/0451205367/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Note: I do not condone in ANY way the action of cowardly Republicans. But I do condone some actions of brave ones, notably the defence of the people in 1969-1970. What you do is your own affair.

I, for one, AM ideological and care deeply about my fellow citizens. You may also. Let readers decide. Happily, in our time, it seems as if ballot box and protest may suffice. Sometimes, regrettably, the Haves decide to discriminate against the have-nots, as was clearly evident in gerrymandering and housing/job/education rights in the North of our island. If you think that is a Republican analysis, ask John Hume or any worldwide human rights activist.

Please be more generous in your politics. There are no demons in Dáil Eireann. Perhaps many sins of omission (just as deadly for the have-nots), but very few sins of commission intended to crucify the have-nots.

Who to Vote for in Laois????

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