Aerlingus Cabin Crew want the best of both worlds

kevinmcc

thebullkf wrote: »

so the maximum wage is 48,687 after 35 yrs service in CC of AL..?

is that right?

an increase of what?....500e a year service??...

whats the problem here?

That's on top of "€5,000 in comission on bar/duty free sales and check in credits also tax free allowance of up to €400 per month depending on routes" as I mentioned. Oh nothing is wrong with that amount of money to serve a cup of tea and ready made meal :rolleyes:

thebullkf

kevinmcc wrote: »

That's on top of "€5,000 in comission on bar/duty free sales and check in credits also tax free allowance of up to €400 per month depending on routes" as I mentioned. Oh nothing is wrong with that amount of money to serve a cup of tea and ready made meal :rolleyes:

so you think its just serving tea,and a ready made meal they do.....



now who's trolling:rolleyes:

**hits IGNORE button**

The_Thing

This is nothing more than some Michael-O'Leary fanboy's attempt at breaking the union.

I've allways flown with Aer Lingus and will continue to do so as long as O'Leary doesn't have a controlling stake in the company - I will not support him in any way whatsoever.

I wish the best of luck to the Cabin Crew.

kevinmcc

thebullkf wrote: »

so you think its just serving tea,and a ready made meal they do.....



now who's trolling:rolleyes:

**hits IGNORE button**

Pretty much, I've worked alongside crew for quite a while to know what they're like, oh well they like to complain a lot too, oh and you's like to go on strike :rolleyes:

kevinmcc

I can't believe one of the things they are arguing about is being put on a route twice i.e. instead of DUB -LHR -DUB they may have to do it X 2.

Still wouldn't take as long as a flight to New York. Oh but they won't complain about being rostered to work that :rolleyes:

Oh and how come their colleagues at Belfast and Gatwick can do it fine.

Joey the lips

sellerbarry wrote: »

Cabin crew will probably end up with half an hour off to change their cheques on Fridays.;)

In fairness... I know you mean it as humour but its the type of humour thats rehashed and turned into bull sh1t lazy no good no voter beer swelling ass h0les on a friday or saturday night who will sit in the pub and condem these workers not knowing what they stand to loose.

bobblepuzzle

kevinmcc wrote: »

Oh nothing is wrong with that amount of money to serve a cup of tea and ready made meal :rolleyes:

What is this nonsense you are spouting...

They contribute to the smooth operation of the aircraft and safety...

Quite possibly your just jealous, either way know your facts...

FlutterinBantam

Joey the lips wrote: »

In fairness... I know you mean it as humour but its the type of humour thats rehashed and turned into bull sh1t lazy no good no voter beer swelling ass h0les on a friday or saturday night who will sit in the pub and condem these workers not knowing what they stand to loose.

And you know the full story......

All the little ins and outs and intricacies and nuances of an airline operation.?

or is it just the usual anti -establishment socialist bullshit spouted here?

Tell us all comrade.


Sits back... opens a can of Stella.

ixoy

Joey the lips wrote: »

In fairness... I know you mean it as humour but its the type of humour thats rehashed and turned into bull sh1t lazy no good no voter beer swelling ass h0les on a friday or saturday night who will sit in the pub and condem these workers not knowing what they stand to loose.

And yet, for ages people were saying that Aer Lingus management were not allowing any breaks in a 11 year period and now it seems they just don't want people taking them at the same time, something very different. You'll forgive us all if we start taking things with a pinch of salt.

Joey the lips

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

And you know the full story......

All the little ins and outs and intricacies and nuances of an airline operation.?

or is it just the usual anti -establishment socialist bullshit spouted here?

Tell us all comrade.


Sits back... opens a can of Stella.

I obv know more than you.... Care more for the future of employments terms and conditions and know that anyone who drinks stella well..... Maybe i have just realised i am argueing to someone who is not listening....

Komrade.

FlutterinBantam

Joey the lips wrote: »

I obv know more than you.... Care more for the future of employments terms and conditions and know that anyone who drinks stella well..... Maybe i have just realised i am argueing to someone who is not listening....

Komrade.

yeah always worried about the 'future' and terms and conditions.


Forget about reality and commercial economic sense.

I sure as hell ain't listening to that late 1950s rhetoric comrade.

Ding ding ..... its 2011 .

novarock

kevinmcc wrote: »

And here are the high salaries Aer Lingus crew were on in 2005, i doubt it's any lower now:

Scale as of 2005 has been increased in line with national pay deal also apx €5,000 in comission on bar/duty free sales and check in credits also tax free allowance of up to €400 per month depending on routes.

All in €


1st LSI 25 years service.
2nd LSI 30 years service.
3rd LSI 33 years service.
4th LSI 35 years service.

Scales at 1st January 2005

Cabin Crew Member

20,093.11 - 21,141.92 - 22,190.72 - 23,239.54 - 24,288.38 - 25,337.20 - 26,386.01 - 27,434.82 - 28,483.63 - 29,532.44 - 30,581.26 - 31,630.10 - 32,678.92 - 33,727.71 - 34,776.541 - 35,549.342 - 36,322.153 - 37,094.964 - 38,640.60 (LSI max)

Cabin Crew Senior

24,961.81 - 26,049.27 - 27,136.74 - 28,224.18 - 29,311.66 - 30,399.11 - 31,486.56 - 32,574.02 - 33,661.46 - 34,748.91 - 35,836.38 - 36,923.85 - 38,011.31 - 39,098.75 - 40,186.211 - 40,959.032 - 41,731.843 - 42,504.654 - 44,050.28 (LSI max)

Cabin Crew Supervisor

27,821.21 - 28,925.25 - 30,029.25 - 31,133.27 - 32,237.27 - 33,341.31 - 34,445.31 - 35,549.34 - 36,653.37 - 37,757.36 - 38,861.41 - 39,965.40 - 41,069.43 - 42,173.42 - 43,277.461 - 44,050.282 - 44,823.093 - 45,595.884 - 47,141.52 (LSI max)

Cabin Crew Cabin Manager

29,366.84 - 30,470.88 - 31,574.88 - 32,678.92 - 33,782.89 - 34,886.93 - 35,990.93 - 37,094.96 - 38,199.00 - 39,303.00 - 40,407.04 - 41,511.03 - 42,615.07 - 43,719.06 - 44,823.091 - 45,595.882 - 46,368.713 - 47,141.524 - 48,687.13 (LSI max)

looks about right to me... similar wages to those in the private sector with similar responsibilities..

SIX PACK

Oh my god their on Brillant money If only they realised it. If 1 of them had to survive on €150 a wk which im getting at the moment on SW. Then they would appreciate their job (which is not all that different to a waiters in a restaurant) I wonder if Aerlingus are looking for new staff ??:rolleyes:

SIX PACK

thebullkf wrote: »

Ryanair....revitalisingthe economy.....:eek:


I wouldn't fly (again),or work for ryanair. shower of cúnts.

each and every time the service from AL is spot on.

never had a bad experience.

Isn't there a Ryanair thread in consumer issues here
Is there an aer lingus one?

tbh i'm sick of the begrudgery on this thread,same as civil servant bashing..10 years ago nobody wanted to work for the CS..now its "lemme do their job.."

if AL was so cushy why hasn't everyone on this thread joined them????


Envy is a terrible thing.

I take it you work for Aerlingus possibly the Highest paid cabin crew In The World ??

Chinasea

The_Thing wrote: »

This is nothing more than some Michael-O'Leary fanboy's attempt at breaking the union.

I've allways flown with Aer Lingus and will continue to do so as long as O'Leary doesn't have a controlling stake in the company - I will not support him in any way whatsoever.

I wish the best of luck to the Cabin Crew.

You have been believing all the anti Ryanair hype that you are constantly been fed by the Irish Media - some people are just so patriotic they are blind.

Again just to remind you that this thread is about Aer Lingus: the airline who robbed us blind for years with their extortionate fares and instead of investing any money wisely they ploughed it into outrageous salaries to their chief execs who in case you aren't aware were/are all in bed with the Irish government and other cosy cartel airlines like British airways who coincidently are in a bit of bother too.

FlutterinBantam

For the first time I believe, EI Mgmnt is standing up and being counted.

Impact have hardly been heard from and all, the sound bites seem to be coming from the staff.

Looks like they have led them over the cliff here.

Deafening silence from the other Unions.

Next few days will tell a lot .

Hope it all doesn't end in tears because of a small party of hotheads.

Biggins

SIX PACK wrote: »

I was meant to fly with AerLingus today but flight is cancelled, Why the hell cant the Airline operate & replace the crew with emergency staff so the customers can get to & from their destination, Im so angry Knew i should of flew Ryanair

Haven't read the previous posts - but I will say this.
From studying the matter for some time, the striking staff do indeed have a case.
The matter revolves around so called "flying hours" and the working time before and after that, which is not conveniently accounted for by Air Lingus board of directors.

Their attempted blackmail at job firings and their abuse of the agreements came to in relation to ALL hours worked within a single shift, is disgusting - and there should be calls for the heads of the boards of directors to be sacked - not the lower staff that once again are being treated like schite!

Seeing however that our outgoing government is ineffectual and spineless, I doubt however they will stand up for the workers of this country but yet again bow to corporate interests.

Calhoun

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

For the first time I believe, EI Mgmnt is standing up and being counted.

Impact have hardly been heard from and all, the sound bites seem to be coming from the staff.

Looks like they have led them over the cliff here.

Deafening silence from the other Unions.

Next few days will tell a lot .

Hope it all doesn't end in tears because of a small party of hothe
ads.

I hope it does end in tears as lessons need to be learnt. Remember the path the unions led workers down with lufthansa tecknic , I don't think anyone learnt anything from that.

Thoie

Impact seem to be clutching at straws.
The latest is that they're going down the Data Protection route (link)

IMPACT claims the airline passed on personal details of staff with whom it is dispute to a courier company hired to deliver what the union describes as "threats" to staff.

(The "threats" being letters to protesting staff who were taken off the payroll offering them another chance).

By that argument, my employer shouldn't be allowed post me a letter, because they're giving my personal information to An Post.

Their appeal to the Equality Tribunal is equally ridiculous (and insulting as they only talk about women with families, as if men with families are completely care-free).

ejmaztec

Chinasea wrote: »

You have been believing all the anti Ryanair hype that you are constantly been fed by the Irish Media - some people are just so patriotic they are blind.

Again just to remind you that this thread is about Aer Lingus: the airline who robbed us blind for years with their extortionate fares and instead of investing any money wisely they ploughed it into outrageous salaries to their chief execs who in case you aren't aware were/are all in bed with the Irish government and other cosy cartel airlines like British airways who coincidently are in a bit of bother too.

Is it a coincidence that the one-time CEO of Aer Lingus, Willie Walsh, has for a number of years been the CEO of BA, and then IAG after the merger of BA and Iberian Airways?

He always seems to go out of his way to antagonise staff in any kind of dispute. Perhaps he learned this method at Aer Lingus, and then re-adopted it at BA, because that outfit is always at loggerheads with its staff.

thebullkf

SIX PACK wrote: »

I take it you work for Aerlingus possibly the Highest paid cabin crew In The World ??

no, on the dole


i'm just sick of the jealousy,hatred and downright nastiness of some posters on here. Begrudgery and jealousy is all it is.

some Lyanair staff on here though .

demag

The bloody cheek of these cabin crew really annoys me, don't they know that they should be glad to have jobs at all in these recessionary times. I'm sure there's thousands unemployed who would happily do their jobs for no pay and a cup of tea and a sandwich at the end of the shift.
Don't these people know there's boards of directors, CEO's and such that have to be kept in the lifestyles that they've become accustomed to?
The same goes for all people in employment at lower levels, you are not entitled to complain or do anything about your working conditions, you should be glad to have a job and your bosses are entitled to do whatever they want, the onus is on YOU to take the pain and you should do so without complaint for the good of " The Company " ( not that " The Company " gives a **** about you, and yes, it will drop you with no notice whenever it wants ) in these recessionary times.

And, no, I don't work for EI or have anything to do with unions who I think are fkin scum

daithi2011

thebullkf wrote: »

no, on the dole


i'm just sick of the jealousy,hatred and downright nastiness of some posters on here. Begrudgery and jealousy is all it is.

some Lyanair staff on here though .

I think you are right.
Ireland must be the most pathetic nation in the world at this stage. Begrudgery seems to be genetic here.
I think a lot of people wont be happy until the whole working population (bar themselves) are working in dire conditions for peanuts.

happygolucky90

good god you people are pretty ignorant.
Please dont be leaving aggressive comments about a subject you clearly dont understand. Yes, cabin crew have agreed to work more hours for less money under greenfield, and yes they have accepted that. Thats not the problem, they realise the company is in difficulty and have no problem making sacrifices like everyone else. My friend was suspended yesterday because she took a 30 minute meal break after a 4 hr 30 min journey to las palmas before she had to fly directly home. please bare in mind that she checked in over an hr before she began flying, spent 30 mins on the plane before it took off. So Basically her working day was approx 11 hrs. now anyone that flys regularly knows how exhausting it is, so you can imagine what its like flying for 9 hrs while being rushed off your feet. Ans as regards to the 850 working hrs, thats also a load of crap. my friend said she worked 897 hours already this yr, but only get paid for 850. plus those 850 hrs refer to hours in the air ONLY. it doesnt count the 1.5hrs before they board and time after landing.
All i'm saying is please understand the facts before you talk.
My friend is now suspended witout pay indefinatly, just for taking a break. she has a mortgage and 2 children, do u really think shes striking because shes a "spoilt brat"??

And as for the "your lucky to have a job" crap, get a grip. the recession is no excuse to let companies take advantage of staff.

mikemac

If Impact have a message and a grievance they are losing the PR war as they aren't getting it out there.
Instead the public don't have that much information at all, just look at this thread and all the misinformation.
Other unions do a far better job of getting their message (some say propaganda) out there. So Impact can do better

And the begruding comments on here. How dare the workers speak up at all, aren't there hundreds of thousands of unemployed workers who never applied for these jobs but suddenly reckon they can do it better and for less :rolleyes:

happygolucky90

Oh and before i go, they've also lost their right to request weekends off.just to point that out.

Under the new agreement, aer lingus can change my roster at a moments notice. so they could be sent on a much longer flight (with no break lets not forget), without the opportunity to arrange childcare or change plans.
Imagine you going to work at 9am to be told when you arrive you wont be finshing at 5 today, but that you have to stay until 8pm. So you dont know who's gonna pick up your kids from school now but your expected to smile while gratefully accepting sick bags from loud disruptive children for 12 hrs straight....

jeez....

amdublin

happygolucky90 wrote: »

Oh and before i go, they've also lost their right to request weekends off.just to point that out.

Under the new agreement, aer lingus can change my roster at a moments notice. so they could be sent on a much longer flight (with no break lets not forget), without the opportunity to arrange childcare or change plans.
Imagine you going to work at 9am to be told when you arrive you wont be finshing at 5 today, but that you have to stay until 8pm. So you dont know who's gonna pick up your kids from school now but your expected to smile while gratefully accepting sick bags from loud disruptive children for 12 hrs straight....

jeez....

You sound like you really don't like your job huh?

FlutterinBantam

happygolucky90 wrote: »

Oh and before i go, they've also lost their right to request weekends off.just to point that out.

Under the new agreement, aer lingus can change my roster at a moments notice. so they could be sent on a much longer flight (with no break lets not forget), without the opportunity to arrange childcare or change plans.
Imagine you going to work at 9am to be told when you arrive you wont be finshing at 5 today, but that you have to stay until 8pm. So you dont know who's gonna pick up your kids from school now but your expected to smile while gratefully accepting sick bags from loud disruptive children for 12 hrs straight....

jeez....

Where are you going to?

Thats the job you applied for buddy, either do it, or apply for a job which gives you the certainty you seem to want.

You won't get certainty in the Air transport business,so stop whinging and do your job or get out.

AfterDusk

happygolucky90 wrote: »

Under the new agreement, aer lingus can change my roster at a moments notice.

Didn't you say it was your friend who worked for them?

EDIT: I'm not nit-picking, it's just for clarity

karma_

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Where are you going to?

Thats the job you applied for buddy, either do it, or apply for a job which gives you the certainty you seem to want.

You won't get certainty in the Air transport business,so stop whinging and do your job or get out.

Have you ever listened to yourself, or read your own posts?

Seriously!

I can only assume half the crap you post sounds better in your own head than what ultimately appears.

Locker10a

"The cause of this dispute is simple.Its GREED caused by a company who’s sole focus is making more money putting aside the needs of its paying customers.
EI has turned into a big green eyed monster treating its customers and staff with contempt. There are a few companies like this in Ireland.It just so happens that the one in the news this time round is EI.

The position taken by EI was a clearly planned and timed.They are positing the company for the possible sale to another interested party and are clearly trying to break the backs of their employees by taking this approach.In order to make it more lucrative they are willing to destroy a company that has been flying since 1936.

The rights and wrongs of the dispute have been discussed here with out people knowing the full facts or even what is involved.There are clear agendas here by both posters and the company alike.

The Irish people over the last few years have taken a lot of hits been screwed over by banks and the Government.We all took it moaning saying we should do something,we should stand up and fight back but did we do it as a population? No. We did nothing but continued to moan about it.Here we have a group of worker who have said enough is enough and are standing up for what they believe in.Some thing the Irish people should have done a long time ago.

This has turned into a race to the bottom.The current economic climate is being used as a guise to introduce yellow pack type worker by a company who is making a profit.Same being replicate in other employments but getting no media coverage.

Re structuring in any employment can be difficult, changing overnight is not possible .EI plan in changing the Cabin crew role from a career to a so called gap year job work till you drop with no rights over night.This can not just happen over night ,you have people who joined EI with the intention of making a career with encouragement from the company.
But because of GREED the company want to change its direction with no regard to what is currently in place.
Big mistake I believe they will lose what the core values of the brand are and these are what people expect when they choose EI.

History of the average CCM in EI is no different to any other person who might have started on the employment ladder with the intention of making a career of chosen profession .There was a big intake of ccm over the last 12 years a lot of competition for the job those who were lucky got the job went through training and got their wings if they were lucky enough.
Some entered on temps contacts no guarantee of permanency then full time part time contracts which were abused, a bit of unrest over this .Then Foot and mouth hit followed by 9/11 conditions changed survival plan followed by survival plan productivity given conditions given up pay freezes only ever minor pay awards that were eaten up by change to conditions.More pay freezes . Constant change expected by employer redundancy packages that were alway over subscribed to in ccm section not every body who wanted to go could go.
They got made permanent, people then decided to make a career of it,naturally with demographics of crews they started families, majority of workforce are female so it was only natural that this would happen with age profile of crews.They worked hard enjoyed the work put up with what came with working in aviation and enjoyed the buzz of the airport.Nearly had a work life balance a struggle to even get so called part time options as company constantly trying to pull this option crews left with total uncertainty from year to year very stress full in trying to plan your life.


So those who decided to stay and make a career of it knuckled down to it put in the hours and the sh1t that EI management threw at them .Constantly asking them to go above and beyond call of duty to keep operation going for the good of the company which they did, but if your were to ask them for a favour to keep your home life operation going you would be lucky to get any lea way.Try and get back your replacement day off that you were given for working into your day off not a chance in getting it back when you wanted it or needed it.Constantly dreading your phone ringing hoping it wasn’t crew control trying to change your duty or screw up plans you made in some way.But you put up with this and love your work.Then EI start down this road totally ignoring what arbitration came out with.

This can only get worse its last call for flight departure there will be no winners for some the threat of no return flights exists but yet they they stick together. Its a pity the rest of Ireland did not do this when we were getting screwed by the bank and the Government.

Simple question to those that criticise crews for actions taken.

Would you stand there and do nothing watch your contract being ignored your career and conditions being obliterated, an employment a company you love being destroyed all because of A BIG GREEN EYED MONSTER? "

OutlawPete

Aer Lingus used to have a soul, this Government sold it - THAT is the problem here, nothing else.

demag

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Where are you going to?

Thats the job you applied for buddy, either do it, or apply for a job which gives you the certainty you seem to want.

You won't get certainty in the Air transport business,so stop whinging and do your job or get out.

Can you not see or are you just acting the fukin idiot here, it's not the job they applied for, the terms have changed.

karma_

demag wrote: »

Can you not see or are you just acting the fukin idiot here, it's not the job they applied for, the terms have changed.

It's no act.

FlutterinBantam

karma_ wrote: »

Have you ever listened to yourself, or read your own posts?

Seriously!

I can only assume half the crap you post sounds better in your own head than what ultimately appears.

Care to point out anything that is not true in that post?

FlutterinBantam

Locker10a wrote: »

"The cause of this dispute is simple.Its GREED caused by a company who’s sole focus is making more money putting aside the needs of its paying customers.
EI has turned into a big green eyed monster treating its customers and staff with contempt. There are a few companies like this in Ireland.It just so happens that the one in the news this time round is EI.

The position taken by EI was a clearly planned and timed.They are positing the company for the possible sale to another interested party and are clearly trying to break the backs of their employees by taking this approach.In order to make it more lucrative they are willing to destroy a company that has been flying since 1936.

The rights and wrongs of the dispute have been discussed here with out people knowing the full facts or even what is involved.There are clear agendas here by both posters and the company alike.

The Irish people over the last few years have taken a lot of hits been screwed over by banks and the Government.We all took it moaning saying we should do something,we should stand up and fight back but did we do it as a population? No. We did nothing but continued to moan about it.Here we have a group of worker who have said enough is enough and are standing up for what they believe in.Some thing the Irish people should have done a long time ago.

This has turned into a race to the bottom.The current economic climate is being used as a guise to introduce yellow pack type worker by a company who is making a profit.Same being replicate in other employments but getting no media coverage.

Re structuring in any employment can be difficult, changing overnight is not possible .EI plan in changing the Cabin crew role from a career to a so called gap year job work till you drop with no rights over night.This can not just happen over night ,you have people who joined EI with the intention of making a career with encouragement from the company.
But because of GREED the company want to change its direction with no regard to what is currently in place.
Big mistake I believe they will lose what the core values of the brand are and these are what people expect when they choose EI.

History of the average CCM in EI is no different to any other person who might have started on the employment ladder with the intention of making a career of chosen profession .There was a big intake of ccm over the last 12 years a lot of competition for the job those who were lucky got the job went through training and got their wings if they were lucky enough.
Some entered on temps contacts no guarantee of permanency then full time part time contracts which were abused, a bit of unrest over this .Then Foot and mouth hit followed by 9/11 conditions changed survival plan followed by survival plan productivity given conditions given up pay freezes only ever minor pay awards that were eaten up by change to conditions.More pay freezes . Constant change expected by employer redundancy packages that were alway over subscribed to in ccm section not every body who wanted to go could go.
They got made permanent, people then decided to make a career of it,naturally with demographics of crews they started families, majority of workforce are female so it was only natural that this would happen with age profile of crews.They worked hard enjoyed the work put up with what came with working in aviation and enjoyed the buzz of the airport.Nearly had a work life balance a struggle to even get so called part time options as company constantly trying to pull this option crews left with total uncertainty from year to year very stress full in trying to plan your life.


So those who decided to stay and make a career of it knuckled down to it put in the hours and the sh1t that EI management threw at them .Constantly asking them to go above and beyond call of duty to keep operation going for the good of the company which they did, but if your were to ask them for a favour to keep your home life operation going you would be lucky to get any lea way.Try and get back your replacement day off that you were given for working into your day off not a chance in getting it back when you wanted it or needed it.Constantly dreading your phone ringing hoping it wasn’t crew control trying to change your duty or screw up plans you made in some way.But you put up with this and love your work.Then EI start down this road totally ignoring what arbitration came out with.

This can only get worse its last call for flight departure there will be no winners for some the threat of no return flights exists but yet they they stick together. Its a pity the rest of Ireland did not do this when we were getting screwed by the bank and the Government.

Simple question to those that criticise crews for actions taken.

Would you stand there and do nothing watch your contract being ignored your career and conditions being obliterated, an employment a company you love being destroyed all because of A BIG GREEN EYED MONSTER? "

What puzzles me is that all these employees seem to 'love' Aer Lingus then why have there been dispute after dispute out there over the years.

Why?

mandy30

I thought I would add my pennies worth in this.....

I used to work for EI as cabin crew for 3 years and the union are a bunch of whiners, they always were encouraging the crew to strike, stirring up **** all the time.
I think half the crew go along with it in the end as they are being told so much crap.

On the other side of it, I kind of thought the staff had it way to easy.
I worked for a budget airline before joining EI and I thought it was a holiday in comparison!
The EI staff complaining about having to double double sectors is unbelievable! Ryanair staff work like dogs in comparison.

And as for the whole row over breaks.....I don't know why they fuss, because as soon as the passengers all get drinks and food, as crew;we had the rest of the flight to sit down the back to eat and read magazines! It was great!

If I was still in that job now, I would be grateful I had a wage coming in like that for the amount of work they do.
The older ladies from EI are just pissed off because its not the elite EI they joined 30 years ago.

IMO the union will end up destroying EI. They hounded me when I worked there to join them, encouraged us to follow their lead even when we didn't agree and still pestered me with texts and calls even when I left.
IMPACT are the worst thing that ever happened to EI. A lot of the senior crew members ARE IMPACT officials.

There are people out there with no jobs......
Dry your eyes girls and get on with it. If you don't like it, get a new job!
I have done your job and have NO sympathy for ye!

mikemac

mandy30 wrote: »

Ryanair staff work like dogs in comparison.

Well maybe that's an argument for Ryanair staff to unionize and get themselves organized so they can look for better terms and conditions

If IMPACT aren't an effective union there are others out there

FlutterinBantam

mandy30 wrote: »

I thought I would add my pennies worth in this.....

I used to work for EI as cabin crew for 3 years and the union are a bunch of whiners, they always were encouraging the crew to strike, stirring up **** all the time.
I think half the crew go along with it in the end as they are being told so much crap.

On the other side of it, I kind of thought the staff had it way to easy.
I worked for a budget airline before joining EI and I thought it was a holiday in comparison!
The EI staff complaining about having to double double sectors is unbelievable! Ryanair staff work like dogs in comparison.

And as for the whole row over breaks.....I don't know why they fuss, because as soon as the passengers all get drinks and food, as crew;we had the rest of the flight to sit down the back to eat and read magazines! It was great!

If I was still in that job now, I would be grateful I had a wage coming in like that for the amount of work they do.
The older ladies from EI are just pissed off because its not the elite EI they joined 30 years ago.

IMO the union will end up destroying EI. They hounded me when I worked there to join them, encouraged us to follow their lead even when we didn't agree and still pestered me with texts and calls even when I left.
IMPACT are the worst thing that ever happened to EI. A lot of the senior crew members ARE IMPACT officials.

There are people out there with no jobs......
Dry your eyes girls and get on with it. If you don't like it, get a new job!
I have done your job and have NO sympathy for ye!

At last a bit of reality in the situation.

There you have it, that's the way it is, as we all know except the neanderthals who are living back in the 60s.

Well said madam, time someone burst the bubble.

OutlawPete

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What puzzles me is that all these employees seem to 'love' Aer Lingus then why have there been dispute after dispute out there over the years.

Why?

That's like saying that there always people complaining in Feedback here, so Boards mustn't be all it's cracked up to be. There have been many reasons for many different disputes over the years, do you have any particular ones in mind?

The biggest obviously being about them not wanting the national airline to be privatised and of course the disgraceful treatment of long term staff, after them giving 35 years of service or more.

FlutterinBantam

OutlawPete wrote: »

That's like saying that there always people complaining in Feedback here, so Boards mustn't be all it's cracked up to be. There have been many reasons for many different disputes over the years, do you have any particular ones in mind?

The biggest obviously being about them not wanting the national airline to be privatised and of course the disgraceful treatment of long term staff, after them giving 35 years of service or more.

What kind of disgraceful treatment ?

How about the 6week clerical dispute in 1987 ,tell me all about that?

Started in late Feb and finished after Easter.Tell me about that one.

mandy30

feelingstressed wrote: »

Well maybe that's an argument for Ryanair staff to unionize and get themselves organized so they can look for better terms and conditions

If IMPACT aren't an effective union there are others out there

Sorry....Ryanair staff sign a disclaimer with their contract to say NO UNIONS! Ryanair will never be unionised. Michael has his head screwed on watching the ****e they put Aer Lingus through.
The Ryanair girls deserve a medal for the ****e they put up with, they are underpaid and work so hard. They even have to pay for their own uniforms. They work.....and if they don't like it ; they leave!

I left EI cos I was bored. I sat around on my arse, my brain going dead, listening to old ladies moaning about what it was like in their day. I got out before I turned into one of them.
Each to their own I suppose :-)

mandy30

Also.....I WAS in SIPTU, but was told I had to change over to IMPACT. Can't remember the exact reasons, but was told by all the staff there longer than me that IMPACT were the only ones to go with.

pocketvenus

Seriously I think some of these EI staff are not living in the real world. My friend works for an airline in the US mainly doing internal US flight, which would be as long as Ireland - European or even Ireland -US routes. Anyway she has been keeping up to date with the whole EI situation and thinks the staff need to cop on. Slot of the new T&C are standard in the airline industry apparently. She often does internal routes twice and has no complaints.
During the flight once all the passangers have been fed / watered they get time to sit down, eat dinner and take a breather maybe not fully undisturbed but most of the time they are. They are on a plane so not like they can step out for a bite. !!!!!

Also as she pointed out alot of the issues the staff are union are cribing about are if and maybe and not standard. I mean they know the hours are unsociable at times and not the norm but they knew this.

mandy30

pocketvenus wrote: »

Seriously I think some of these EI staff are not living in the real world. My friend works for an airline in the US mainly doing internal US flight, which would be as long as Ireland - European or even Ireland -US routes. Anyway she has been keeping up to date with the whole EI situation and thinks the staff need to cop on. Slot of the new T&C are standard in the airline industry apparently. She often does internal routes twice and has no complaints.
During the flight once all the passangers have been fed / watered they get time to sit down, eat dinner and take a breather maybe not fully undisturbed but most of the time they are. They are on a plane so not like they can step out for a bite. !!!!!

Also as she pointed out alot of the issues the staff are union are cribing about are if and maybe and not standard. I mean they know the hours are unsociable at times and not the norm but they knew this.

I agree 100%. They don't have any idea what hard work is. When we were told we had to start picking up litter during the turnarounds instead of the cleaners, I watched on of the ladies crying! She was inconsolable!

amdublin

mandy30 wrote: »

When we were told we had to start picking up litter during the turnarounds instead of the cleaners, I watched on of the ladies crying! She was inconsolable!

Are Lingus staff seriously need to get a grip!

pocketvenus

mandy30 wrote: »

I agree 100%. They don't have any idea what hard work is. When we were told we had to start picking up litter during the turnarounds instead of the cleaners, I watched on of the ladies crying! She was inconsolable!

Sure you know how low they can go when they use sexual discrimination and breach of data protection as a way of fighting their corner.

Never mind saying some of them bringing their children with them on the march to HQ in order to gain symptahy. Personally when I saw the picture on the paper this morning it made me angry and bit sick. I never had any sympathy for their cause but I have lost all respect for them now.

SIX PACK

thebullkf wrote: »

no, on the dole


some Lyanair staff on here though .

Same here

mandy30

amdublin wrote: »

Are Lingus staff seriously need to get a grip!

Ahh you have no idea.....could write a book about the job there. All spoilt that is the problem. They had it too easy for too long. Then snobbery takes over when they think they are stooping to 'Ryanair' levels.

I hated the hours, so I got a new job. No nights, weekends off. No complaining!

They all sit and complain to each other, then feel justified because someone agrees with them. The union make this worse by telling them they are right.

OutlawPete

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

How about the 6week clerical dispute in 1987 ,tell me all about that?

Before my time I'm afraid.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What kind of disgraceful treatment ?

They laid off long term staff and then got tempory low paid staff to their jobs. The redundancy packages were a joke for someone that had spent 25-30 years working there.

Since the company was privatised, it has been a shell of what the airline once was. Fair enough, the industry has changed because of many factors, 9/11 and low budget arilines not the least of them - but they have changed in ways beyond what was necessary and each and every day they are becoming Ryanair mark II.

Just look at the recent sacking staff by text.

I'm not saying the above about Ryanair flippantly, I am convinced that O'Leary / Ryanair will one day be the main shareholders in Aer Lingus. Some might see that as a good thing, I wouldn't.