Aerlingus Cabin Crew want the best of both worlds

FreudianSlippers

happygolucky90 wrote: »

bla bla bla bitching and moaning...

All i'm saying is please understand the facts before you talk.
My friend is now suspended witout pay indefinatly, just for taking a break. she has a mortgage and 2 children, do u really think shes striking because shes a "spoilt brat"??

And as for the "your lucky to have a job" crap, get a grip. the recession is no excuse to let companies take advantage of staff.

Yes, a total brat. Find a new job if you hate it so much. This is the name of the game. Your employer has rules and you must abide by them... she is suspended for breaking the rules, not "taking a break".

Every time I've been on an EI flight the cabin crew congregate and chat for 25% of the flight.

OutlawPete wrote: »

Aer Lingus used to have a soul, this Government owns it - THAT is the problem here, nothing else.

FYP.

mandy30 wrote: »

Ahh you have no idea.....could write a book about the job there. All spoilt that is the problem. They had it too easy for too long. Then snobbery takes over when they think they are stooping to 'Ryanair' levels.

I hated the hours, so I got a new job. No nights, weekends off. No complaining!

They all sit and complain to each other, then feel justified because someone agrees with them. The union make this worse by telling them they are right.

Finally, someone with a bit of a brain. You hate your job so much and you don't like the hours, then find a new damn job.

Fair play to you mandy30 for taking charge rather than bitching and moaning all day!

mandy30

Finally, someone with a bit of a brain. You hate your job so much and you don't like the hours, then find a new damn job.

Fair play to you mandy30 for taking charge rather than bitching and moaning all day![/QUOTE]

Thank you :-)
Some people are just going on heresay and making stuff up.

Until you have worked there and see what its really like on the inside, then people should not be so harsh.

I can honestly say hand on heart that was the easiest job I ever had. And ever will have.

Maybe a few sackings might open their eyes a bit.

OutlawPete

OisinT wrote: »

FYP.

Aer Lingus was privatised in 2006. The main shareholder in Aer Lingus is Ryanair and that share is increasing each and every day. The Government only holds a 25% share.

FreudianSlippers

OutlawPete wrote: »

Aer Lingus was privatised in 2006. The main shareholder in Aer Lingus is Ryanair and that share is increasing each and every day. The Government only holds a 25% share.

25% too much. They should sell that 25% to a proper airline like United.

mikemac

mandy30 wrote: »

The Ryanair girls deserve a medal for the ****e they put up with, they are underpaid and work so hard.

You reckon Ryanair staff are underpaid. And Aer Lingus staff have it too easy

I'm sure there is an answer somewhere in the middle so

mandy30

OisinT wrote: »

25% too much.

I would LOVE to see Michael O'Leary get his hands on the airline full time. As much of an arsehole he can be, he sure knows how to run an airline, and by god, that is what Aer Lingus needs.

THEN they can really complain!!

mandy30

feelingstressed wrote: »

You reckon Ryanair staff are underpaid. And Aer Lingus staff have it too easy

I'm sure there is an answer somewhere in the middle so

I know how much the EI girls get paid.....and believe me, its too much for the little work they do.
Don't get me wrong, I wasnt complaining at the time, but looking back on it now, its ridiculous.

FreudianSlippers

mandy30 wrote: »

I would LOVE to see Michael O'Leary get his hands on the airline full time. As much of an arsehole he can be, he sure knows how to run an airline, and by god, that is what Aer Lingus needs.

THEN they can really complain!!

I'd hate to see them turned into RyanAir though.

The quality on EI flights (long haul) is good quality.

mandy30

OisinT wrote: »

I'd hate to see them turned into RyanAir though.

The quality on EI flights (long haul) is good quality.

I agree. I could not fly Ryanair long haul.....would be too much!

anneboleyn

I doubt it's as black or white as either side makes out. But what saddens me is that this will be another nail in the coffin of our national airline, and soon we'll have no choice whatsoever as flying passangers but to go with the low cost carriers.

The older established airlines like Aer Lingus and BA have unwieldly cost models that without refinement will ultimately result in closure - so they have to change ! That said, we shouldn't be condoning bully boy tactics and a total degradation of working T&Cs for anyone. Everyone deserves a fair days pay and benefits..

But in fairness some of what I've read about breaks, shift changes, trying to arrange child care etc, are challenges that everybody in full time work faces day in and day out. I often spend 3-5 hours more at work than I'd thought I would.And I'm fairly certain there's not a single cabin crew member of staff with a family who doesn't already have contingency and good child care arrangements, how could they have done the unsociable job and hours in the first place without them ??

Aer Lingus would be my airline of choice and I avoid Ryan Air at all costs unless there is no alternative to my destination, I'm dreading the day when I have no choice ! But for now I, and probably thousands of others, am avoiding risking my hard earned holiday time , and will not be booking Aer Lingus until there's a resolution.

Sad sad times.

PS - if the marchers yesterday were turning up to "report for work", what was the one with the baby in a pushchair doing / does she normally take him on flights ?

FlutterinBantam

Excellent post, just about blows apart all the arguments from the CC lobby.

Will they admit you are right..... not a chance.

All we will get is the same auld rehashed shite which has been fed from the Unions,unions who failed to see the shifting sands and are now buried deep in a morass.

I'm sure Mandy will agree ,what you have is a militant few who dominate the others,and unlike her, they chose to follow like sheep instead of getting the fcuk out and making a life for themselves, rather than whinging and cribbing for a living.

sad to see in my opinion

mandy30

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Excellent post, just about blows apart all the arguments from the CC lobby.

Will they admit you are right..... not a chance.

All we will get is the same auld rehashed shite which has been fed from the Unions,unions who failed to see the shifting sands and are now buried deep in a morass.

I'm sure Mandy will agree ,what you have is a militant few who dominate the others,and unlike her, they chose to follow like sheep instead of getting the fcuk out and making a life for themselves, rather than whinging and cribbing for a living.

sad to see in my opinion

Yep, totally agree.
I left almost 6 years ago...........and they are still banging on about the same old thing.
Not one thing has changed.
Fighting over rosters, breaks and doing a couple of extra flights a week.

I could never see the sense in it when I worked there, and still cannot see the sense in it now.

xxx000

Mandy 30 ;;;;; Seems to me someone's a bit bitter!!! Maybe ya Didn't "leave" the - as you said- easiest job you ever had - maybe you were turfed out for sitting on your ass all day - cause I've seen them work, and work hard! You obviusly weren't "suited" to it!!!!!!!!!

amdublin

xxx000 wrote: »

Mandy 30 ;;;;; Seems to me someone's a bit bitter!!! Maybe ya Didn't "leave" the - as you said- easiest job you ever had - maybe you were turfed out for sitting on your ass all day - cause I've seen them work, and work hard! You obviusly weren't "suited" to it!!!!!!!!!

Seems more realistic than bitter to me

mandy30

xxx000 wrote: »

Mandy 30 ;;;;; Seems to me someone's a bit bitter!!! Maybe ya Didn't "leave" the - as you said- easiest job you ever had - maybe you were turfed out for sitting on your ass all day - cause I've seen them work, and work hard! You obviusly weren't "suited" to it!!!!!!!!!

Oh be quiet dear.

I left because I have ambition and want to do something with my life. Not sit eating at the back of a plane will I am 50.

Until you know your facts, do yourself a favour and keep quiet.

mandy30

amdublin wrote: »

Seems more realistic than bitter to me

Thank you

FreudianSlippers

Can I ask what happened to all the sexy flight attendants?

mandy30

OisinT wrote: »

Can I ask what happened to all the sexy flight attendants?

Lol:-) All the young lovelies do the European and domestic flights. The old wagon dragons do the transatlantic flights. They get the privelige of those great flights through time served.

OutlawPete

mandy30 wrote: »

.. the union are a bunch of whiners, they always were encouraging the crew to strike, stirring up **** all the time.

.. thought the staff had it way to easy.

mandy30 wrote: »

I sat around on my arse, my brain going dead, listening to old ladies moaning about what it was like in their day. I got out before I turned into one of them.

mandy30 wrote: »

They don't have any idea what hard work is.

mandy30 wrote: »

All spoilt that is the problem.

They all sit and complain to each other..

mandy30 wrote: »

Maybe a few sackings might open their eyes a bit.

mandy30 wrote: »

I know how much the EI girls get paid.....and believe me, its too much for the little work they do.

mandy30 wrote: »

I left because I have ambition and want to do something with my life. Not sit eating at the back of a plane will I am 50.

mandy30 wrote: »

The old wagon dragons do the transatlantic flights.

Meow.

mandy30 wrote: »

Ryanair staff sign a disclaimer with their contract to say NO UNIONS!

They even have to pay for their own uniforms.

mandy30 wrote: »

I would LOVE to see Michael O'Leary get his hands on the airline full time.

Enough said.

xxx000

Mandy DEAR, if you'd such a great job with loads of ambition you wouldn't be bothered about slating other people's jobs or what they want from it! You obviously didn't get on while as crew and have a personal stinking attitude towards them now, it comes across so clearly in all you've said.

FreudianSlippers

xxx000 wrote: »

Dear Mandy, if ya had a great job that fulfils your ambition ya wouldn't be bothered about slating other people's jobs!!!!!

When they're acting like a bunch of big babies they deserve to be slated.

amdublin

xxx000 wrote: »

Mandy DEAR, if you'd such a great job with loads of ambition you wouldn't be bothered about slating other people's jobs or what they want from it! You obviously didn't get on while as crew and have a personal stinking attitude towards them now, it comes across so clearly in all you've said.

Do you work for Aer Lingus xxxOOO?

Ps. I flew with EI a couple of weeks ago. She's right about them sitting on their @rses. They've some cheek complaining about breaks. IMO they deserve the slating.

All going on about being Ready, Willing and Able for work. Well then go and work and stop whinging.

mandy30

xxx000 wrote: »

Mandy DEAR, if you'd such a great job with loads of ambition you wouldn't be bothered about slating other people's jobs or what they want from it! You obviously didn't get on while as crew and have a personal stinking attitude towards them now, it comes across so clearly in all you've said.

Oh go away and bother someone else. You have no valuable input anyway. Trying to slate me does not count as discussion on this thread.

Perhaps you interviewed for a job as crew with EI and got turned down, hence your bitter attitude towards me?

xxx000

If you had any clear input into it yourself Mandy, you'd have more to say than "oh, they sit on their asses". As to me not relating to the real thread - it seems it's turned into a "we hate cabin crew" thread. As many previous posters said it's all envy!! I know a few people who work for aer lingus on the ground and even they are aggreing with the collegues, the crew. The pilots are also supporting them as are anyone who bothers, like myself, to get the real facts on the dispute - not just the "they're whingers and old fat ladies lucky to have a job" attitude that you seem to have!!!!! Was your flight cancelled recently? - Is that the real reason you're so bitter? Did you ever actually work for EI - I don't believe anyone who did would spout off the rubbish you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Diddler1977

xxx000 wrote: »

Mandy 30 ;;;;; Seems to me someone's a bit bitter!!! Maybe ya Didn't "leave" the - as you said- easiest job you ever had - maybe you were turfed out for sitting on your ass all day - cause I've seen them work, and work hard! You obviusly weren't "suited" to it!!!!!!!!!

I took an Aer Lingus flight back from the States in the last week.

I saw the "hard work" firsthand.

A really annoying AL Flight Attendant yapped the ear off the two people sitting near us for about half an hour.

She told all of us in earshot what age she was, her marital service and her living arrangements. She also let us know how long she worked for AL. (Why a hard working lady would need to pass all of this info. on to passengers I don't know!)

She found out where they two men were from. That they didn't know each other. Where they were heading on to, etc.

She told a "hilarious" story about what happened the last time she went to confession. I also heard how many drinks she had at a recent wedding..... Are you getting the picture?! She was a complete headwrecker.

She laughed with the most horrendous phony laugh all over the cabin.

If you are working hard you shouldn't have this amount of time to bend the ear off passengers.

But obviously this was only one worker - but why did she have all of this free time? Maybe she was "on a break"?????

mandy30

Would you like my staff number and line managers name to verify my work history?

NinjaTruncs

OutlawPete wrote: »

Just look at the recent sacking staff by text.

Wait, did you read the article or just the headline?

They were told of an announcement by text and fired with a phone call.

xxx000

Yeah I would actually, cause as I know it there's no "line managers" in charge of crew!!!! Oh I see....... you were on the ground!!!

Micky Dolenz

mandy30 wrote: »

Would you like my staff number and line managers name to verify my work history?

xxx000 wrote: »

Yeah I would actually, cause as I know it there's no "line managers" in charge of crew!!!! Oh I see....... you were on the ground!!!

Stop the bickering please.

mandy30

Oh for God's sake, grow up.

Every single crew member has a line manager......someone to be answerable to.

You are full of ****e and don't know what you are on about. Away off and talk to your fat biscuit eating friends still moaning about their ****ty job.

amdublin

xxx000 wrote: »

Oh I see....... you were on the ground!!!

xxxOOO (again) do you work for Aer Lingus?

(you seem to know a lot about their line management practices etc)

AlmightyCushion

xxx000 wrote: »

Mandy 30 ;;;;; Seems to me someone's a bit bitter!!! Maybe ya Didn't "leave" the - as you said- easiest job you ever had - maybe you were turfed out for sitting on your ass all day - cause I've seen them work, and work hard! You obviusly weren't "suited" to it!!!!!!!!!

Ease up there, try not to get so personal.

amdublin

Diddler1977 wrote: »

I took an Aer Lingus flight back from the States in the last week.

I saw the "hard work" firsthand.

A really annoying AL Flight Attendant yapped the ear off the two people sitting near us for about half an hour.

She told all of us in earshot what age she was, her marital service and her living arrangements. She also let us know how long she worked for AL. (Why a hard working lady would need to pass all of this info. on to passengers I don't know!)

She found out where they two men were from. That they didn't know each other. Where they were heading on to, etc.

She told a "hilarious" story about what happened the last time she went to confession. I also heard how many drinks she had at a recent wedding..... Are you getting the picture?! She was a complete headwrecker.

She laughed with the most horrendous phony laugh all over the cabin.

If you are working hard you shouldn't have this amount of time to bend the ear off passengers.

But obviously this was only one worker - but why did she have all of this free time? Maybe she was "on a break"?????

Ha ha! Oh jeez what a NIGHTMARE!

She didn't sound busy at all

Diddler1977

mandy30 wrote: »

You are full of ****e and don't know what you are on about. Away off and talk to your fat biscuit eating friends still moaning about their ****ty job.

What's with the biscuit eating?

Is this what cabin crew eat while on a break?

Do they get biscuits from the Airline? Does AL provide a lunch for CC or do they take on a sandwich with them???

mandy30

Hi,

Lunch is provided for them. And biscuits :-) If its a long flight with complimentary food, crew can eat or take home what they like of what is left.

amdublin

mandy30 wrote: »

Hi,

Lunch is provided for them. And biscuits :-) If its a long flight with complimentary food, crew can eat or take home what they like of what is left.

What a bad company giving them food to eat :rolleyes:

Diddler1977

mandy30 wrote: »

Hi,

Lunch is provided for them. And biscuits :-) If its a long flight with complimentary food, crew can eat or take home what they like of what is left.

That's great! not many places give you a free lunch And free biscuits too!!!

Newbie_2009

I really can't see the difference between aer lingus cabin crew and the person who sells coffee and kitkats on the train or even someone working in mcDonalds for that matter. Who are they to demand such spoiled working conditions.

Can they not get some of the catering staff in T2 who are idle and show them how to play the safety video and open the plane door in an emergency. I bet they get paid a damn sight less then the molly coddled aer lingus staff relics of a bygone public sector disaster.

Although I suppose I blame the unions the most.

amdublin

Newbie_2009 wrote: »

Can they not get some of the catering staff in T2 who are idle and show them how to play the safety video and open the plane door in an emergency. I bet they get paid a damn sight less then the molly coddled aer lingus staff relics of a bygone public sector disaster.

You're on to something here.

bobblepuzzle

Diddler1977 wrote: »

I took an Aer Lingus flight back from the States in the last week.

I saw the "hard work" firsthand.

A really annoying AL Flight Attendant yapped the ear off the two people sitting near us for about half an hour.

She told all of us in earshot what age she was, her marital service and her living arrangements. She also let us know how long she worked for AL. (Why a hard working lady would need to pass all of this info. on to passengers I don't know!)

She found out where they two men were from. That they didn't know each other. Where they were heading on to, etc.

She told a "hilarious" story about what happened the last time she went to confession. I also heard how many drinks she had at a recent wedding..... Are you getting the picture?! She was a complete headwrecker.

She laughed with the most horrendous phony laugh all over the cabin.

If you are working hard you shouldn't have this amount of time to bend the ear off passengers.

But obviously this was only one worker - but why did she have all of this free time? Maybe she was "on a break"?????

Who cares? I'd prefer a happy chatful flight attendant, unlike the depressed moody Ryanair type... can't blame them though... their salary is probably AL divided by 2

NewApproach

Fkn unions.

Diddler1977

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Who cares? I'd prefer a happy chatful flight attendant, unlike the depressed moody Ryanair type... can't blame them though... their salary is probably AL divided by 2

Where did I say she was helpful?

She wasn't doing a tap except wrecking the heads of anyone who could hear her......

bobblepuzzle

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Where did I say she was helpful?

She wasn't doing a tap except wrecking the heads of anyone who could hear her......

Were you following her around or something?

amdublin

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Were you following her around or something?

Ha ha. No I think the point was that she didn't need to be followed around - she was just standing there chatting all the time.

I think!

Well that is what I picked up anyway

Diddler1977

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Were you following her around or something?

No. As i said in my post she talked the ear off two men near me in the cabin.

I want a Flight Attendant to serve me dinner in a friendly mannerly way. I don't want to hear about what they get up to at the weekend. I don't want to know how long they have been with their fella for. I don't need to know these personal details.

bobblepuzzle

amdublin wrote: »

Ha ha. No I think the point was that she didn't need to be followed around - she was just standing there chatting all the time.

I think!

Well that is what I picked up anyway

I just wanted Diddler to clarify if he/she was watching her throughout the flight to see the work she was doing... what was the destination also? She may have been on her break...

bobblepuzzle

Diddler1977 wrote: »

No. As i said in my post she talked the ear off two men near me in the cabin.

I want a Flight Attendant to serve me dinner in a friendly mannerly way. I don't want to hear about what they get up to at the weekend. I don't want to know how long they have been with their fella for. I don't need to know these personal details.

Stick your earphones in then... ffs, I'd bet your a moaney type in general... if its not AL its someone else

Diddler1977

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

I just wanted Diddler to clarify if he/she was watching her throughout the flight to see the work she was doing... what was the destination also? She may have been on her break...

Believe me you couldn't miss this one.

I should have taken a sleeping pill...... In fact I wish I had taken a pill

Diddler1977

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Stick your earphones in then... ffs, I'd bet your a moaney type in general... if its not AL its someone else

Not generally moany. But I do moan when given cause. But thanks for the attack on my personality anyway

bobblepuzzle

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Not generally moany. But I do moan when given cause. But thanks for the attack on my personality anyway

Your welcome What was the destination?