Aerlingus Cabin Crew want the best of both worlds

amdublin

Anonymous man wrote: »

I travel every week in my job.

So you see the work they do. Not exactly difficult is it.

Do you have a family member working in AL as cabin crew? Wife or husband maybe?

mandy30

Then if you are related to neither side, you are not in posession of all the facts either then.

Regardless of when I was there or when I left, I still know the cabin crew job inside out. I still have friends who work there.

Nothing has changed. And someone like you, who claims to be unrelated to unions or staff cannot convince me otherwise.

Micky Dolenz

Looks like we are nearly done here.

Anonymous man

mandy30 wrote: »

Then if you are related to neither side, you are not in posession of all the facts either then.

Regardless of when I was there or when I left, I still know the cabin crew job inside out. I still have friends who work there.

Nothing has changed. And someone like you, who claims to be unrelated to unions or staff cannot convince me otherwise.

ready any standard leaving cert level economics book - go to privitisation section. Read the sypmtoms.

mandy30

Anonymous man wrote: »

ready any standard leaving cert level economics book - go to privitisation section. Read the sypmtoms.

Funny :-)

I am delighted the government is taking up all the airtime on the news and EI are getting hardly any coverage.

No one cares anymore.

Buceph

Anonymous man wrote: »

ready any standard leaving cert level economics book - go to privitisation section. Read the sypmtoms.

So you've been trolling everyone in this thread. Pretending to have some inside information, and a knowledge of what's happening in Aer Lingus. Now you're called on it you admit that you're basing all of this on some warped view of the economics book from your leaving cert? I'm sure you'd tell us all that you got an A1 in that unless your leaving cert teacher turned up to tell us that you dropped out of the leaving cert to spend an extended year "fighting the man! man!"

The_Thing

Chinasea wrote: »

You have been believing all the anti Ryanair hype that you are constantly been fed by the Irish Media - some people are just so patriotic they are blind.

I suppose it was also the fault of the Irish Media that the EU forced ConAir RyanAir to pay out compensation for those travellers affected by the Icelandic volcano? It was fantastic to see the arrogant tosser taken down a peg.

I only wish I controlled the air-space over my farm so I could stop O'Leary from using it.

Anonymous man

Buceph wrote: »

So you've been trolling everyone in this thread. Pretending to have some inside information, and a knowledge of what's happening in Aer Lingus. Now you're called on it you admit that you're basing all of this on some warped view of the economics book from your leaving cert? I'm sure you'd tell us all that you got an A1 in that unless your leaving cert teacher turned up to tell us that you dropped out of the leaving cert to spend an extended year "fighting the man! man!"

No. I am just explaining why I think it is relevant.
Do you think the peopel who work for Eircom now share the same experiences as those who worked there when it was a semi state?

If my explanation makes you think I dropped out of the leaving cert then fine. Your post almost comes accross as if you are offended by my explanation? I am not trying to offend anyone. I am not going to post by job in an internet forum by the way. Let's just say that due to the nature of my work I spend a lot of time travelling to the States and around Europe.

Anonymous man

mandy30 wrote: »

Funny :-)

I am delighted the government is taking up all the airtime on the news and EI are getting hardly any coverage.

No one cares anymore.

Yep, totally agree.


And Quote -
I left almost 6 years ago...........and they are still banging on about the same old thing.
Not one thing has changed.
Fighting over rosters, breaks and doing a couple of...

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I rest my case.

mandy30

Anonymous man wrote: »

Yep, totally agree.


And Quote -
I left almost 6 years ago...........and they are still banging on about the same old thing.
Not one thing has changed.
Fighting over rosters, breaks and doing a couple of...

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I rest my case.

You can rest your case all you like! I know what it was like in my time there. And I know what it is like there now. NOTHING HAS CHANGED!

Buceph

mandy30 wrote: »

You can rest your case all you like! I know what it was like in my time there. And I know what it is like there now. NOTHING HAS CHANGED!

No. You're wrong. You're actual, direct knowledge of the situation is irrelevant. Anon has his leaving cert economics book to back him up.

mandy30

Buceph wrote: »

No. You're wrong. Anon has his leaving cert economics book to back him up.

Gosh yes,I forgot that. I must rush out and buy mine.

Anonymous man

Buceph wrote: »

No. You're wrong. You're actual, direct knowledge of the situation is irrelevant. Anon has his leaving cert economics book to back him up.

Yeh that is right actually her direct knowledge of the situation must be very relevant. After all - it was only 6 years ago.

It's not as if the the company has gone through 3 new owners,
made 3 waves of redundancies, gon public, in the greatest recession in the history of the state.

mandy30

Anonymous man wrote: »

Yeh that is right actually her direct knowledge of the situation must be very relevant. After all - it was only 6 years ago.

It's not as if the the company has gone through 3 new owners,
made 3 waves of redundancies, gon public, in the greatest recession in the history of the state.

Cant you read????

I have very good friends who are still crew, pilots and cabin managers there. I am fully aware of what is going on.

Buceph

Anonymous man wrote: »

Yeh that is right actually her direct knowledge of the situation must be very relevant. After all - it was only 6 years ago.

It's not as if the the company has gone through 3 new owners,
made 3 waves of redundancies, gon public, in the greatest recession in the history of the state.

Whatever, you win. You know it all.

syklops

mandy30 wrote: »

Funny :-)

I am delighted the government is taking up all the airtime on the news and EI are getting hardly any coverage.

No one cares anymore.

I disagree somewhat. I am flying with them tomorrow afternoon and would like to know whether to bother getting the bus to prague or not. Come back Ryanair, all is forgiven.

mandy30

syklops wrote: »

I disagree somewhat. I am flying with them tomorrow afternoon and would like to know whether to bother getting the bus to prague or not. Come back Ryanair, all is forgiven.

You should be fine. Schedules are operating somewhat normally as they planned ahead for it. Or they are so used to them striking, they have other airlines crew on speed dial.

wmpdd3

Anonymous man wrote: »

"What 'machine' are the cabin crew working with one hand while they take their break."


Then there is another precedent here- what about the fact that if Aer Lingus can fire staff who don't agree to terms without compromise can get away with it. Are you telling me others won't follow? Vodafone, Dunnes,Diageo/ Joe Duffy Motors/ Dundrum Retail/ IBM/Tescos'/ Microsoft/ Bewlleyr's/ Google / Meteor/ and many more. The list go's on.
they could all do the same.

You are not fighting my fight.

I'm in one of the companies above, I have a family, I have had to re-apply for my job, work more hours for no extra money, more than the 'working time directive' limit.
I get a break when my staff have had there's, I interrupt, perspone, cancel my break for things going wrong, customer complaints, staff queries, phone calls etc.

I have my terms and conditions changed so many times theres no point printing out a new contract because it will be changed before I have it.

I agreed to them by turning up to work, if I didn't there would have been a new person doing my job within a week.

I can have my hours changed at no minutes notice, I can be moved to any location within 1 hr of my house at a minutes notice.

There are thousands of perple doing my job in the country, welcome to the 21st century in Ireland.

mandy30

wmpdd3 wrote: »

You are not fighting my fight.

I'm in one of the companies above, I have a family, I have had to re-apply for my job, work more hours for no extra money, more than the 'working time directive' limit.
I get a break when my staff have had there's, I interrupt, perspone, cancel my break for things going wrong, customer complaints, staff queries, phone calls etc.

I have my terms and conditions changed so many times theres no point printing out a new contract because it will be changed before I have it.

I agreed to them by turning up to work, if I didn't there would have been a new person doing my job within a week.

I can have my hours changed at no minutes notice, I can be moved to any location within 1 hr of my house at a minutes notice.

There are thousands of perple doing my job in the country, welcome to the 21st century in Ireland.

It is the way things are in almost every company these days. You are right.
It is reality, as harsh as it is.
That is why EI are irritating people so much. They are not the only ones in this boat.

cabincrew

people need to get their facts right,don,t believe all you hear or read in the media.firstly yes the cabin crew did agree to the increase in flying hours, that is not the issue here,the issue is the way in which they are rostering them..that we did not agree to.
its easy for people who get their morning break,then lunch break then afternoon break to say we are a bunch of moan bags..i bet if your boss came into you tomorrow and said right from today no more breaks..but hey here is a sandwich,eat it at your desk but only if and when you get a chance to you would tell them where to go.a mother has a right to know what time shes going home to her child at each day..to report to work at 6am only to then be told your not on a flight untill 9am that results in a much later landing is totally unfair and WAS NOT AGREED.

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

people need to get their facts right,don,t believe all you hear or read in the media.firstly yes the cabin crew did agree to the increase in flying hours, that is not the issue here,the issue is the way in which they are rostering them..that we did not agree to.
its easy for people who get their morning break,then lunch break then afternoon break to say we are a bunch of moan bags..i bet if your boss came into you tomorrow and said right from today no more breaks..but hey here is a sandwich,eat it at your desk but only if and when you get a chance to you would tell them where to go.a mother has a right to know what time shes going home to her child at each day..to report to work at 6am only to then be told your not on a flight untill 9am that results in a much later landing is totally unfair and WAS NOT AGREED.

But you agreed to the increased flying hours......so it is not EI's fault. It is up to them how they roster them!
And it is a part of the job the unsociable hours and changes to flight times.
Sorry to sound so harsh, but you have agreed to most of this.

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

people need to get their facts right,don,t believe all you hear or read in the media.firstly yes the cabin crew did agree to the increase in flying hours, that is not the issue here,the issue is the way in which they are rostering them..that we did not agree to.
its easy for people who get their morning break,then lunch break then afternoon break to say we are a bunch of moan bags..i bet if your boss came into you tomorrow and said right from today no more breaks..but hey here is a sandwich,eat it at your desk but only if and when you get a chance to you would tell them where to go.a mother has a right to know what time shes going home to her child at each day..to report to work at 6am only to then be told your not on a flight untill 9am that results in a much later landing is totally unfair and WAS NOT AGREED.

Happens in restaurants all the time. People come in looking for a table fifteen mins before closing, believe me you the waitress stays serving them all night if they are spending money (ive worked in numerous restaurants).

Look, I appreciate you've had it good for a long long time and it is a shock to the system but it is now time to Start doing Some Good Hard Work okay. It's called life.

As for taking your break: happens all over Ireland. Most days I just grab a sandwich at my desk. Big deal. I get over it.

The_Thing

wmpdd3 wrote: »

You are not fighting my fight.

I'm in one of the companies above, I have a family, I have had to re-apply for my job, work more hours for no extra money, more than the 'working time directive' limit.
I get a break when my staff have had there's, I interrupt, perspone, cancel my break for things going wrong, customer complaints, staff queries, phone calls etc.

I have my terms and conditions changed so many times theres no point printing out a new contract because it will be changed before I have it.

I agreed to them by turning up to work, if I didn't there would have been a new person doing my job within a week.

I can have my hours changed at no minutes notice, I can be moved to any location within 1 hr of my house at a minutes notice.

There are thousands of perple doing my job in the country, welcome to the 21st century in Ireland.

Your experiences are a perfect example of the race-to-the-bottom agenda that is being foisted on the workers of this country by unscrupulous employers whose only God is the € and the reason why we need unions now more than ever.

cabincrew

sorry but that is where you are WRONG!
the published arbitration finding said that any changes to our contract of employment must be agreed by us before hand...the company seem to have 'missed' that part of the arbitration finding.the fact they wont go to the labour court says it all.

1 WE NEVER AGREED TO THEM TAKING AWAY OUR WEEKEND REQUESTS(ONE WEEKEND OFF EVERY 8WEEKS)

2 WE NEVER AGREED TO TAKE OUR MEAL BREAK IN THE AIR

3.WE NEVER AGREED TO 7DAYS OFF A MONTH INSTEAD OF 8..

4 WE NEVER AGREED TO HAVE OUR DUTY CHANGED BY 3HRS ON THE DAY,4HRS THE DAY BEFORE AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY HOURS AFTER THAT.

The_Thing

cabincrew wrote: »

people need to get their facts right,don,t believe all you hear or read in the media.firstly yes the cabin crew did agree to the increase in flying hours, that is not the issue here,the issue is the way in which they are rostering them..that we did not agree to.
its easy for people who get their morning break,then lunch break then afternoon break to say we are a bunch of moan bags..i bet if your boss came into you tomorrow and said right from today no more breaks..but hey here is a sandwich,eat it at your desk but only if and when you get a chance to you would tell them where to go.a mother has a right to know what time shes going home to her child at each day..to report to work at 6am only to then be told your not on a flight untill 9am that results in a much later landing is totally unfair and WAS NOT AGREED.

I support you and your collegues and I hope to see the matter resolved to your satisfaction.

mandy30

The_Thing wrote: »

I support you and your collegues and I hope to see the matter resolved to your satisfaction.

A lot of people havent agreed to changes in their work practices. The company decides. Thousands have not agreed to anything. They just get on with what is best for the company to stay afloat in these tough times.

cabincrew

amdublin wrote: »

Happens in restaurants all the time. People come in looking for a table fifteen mins before closing, believe me you the waitress stays serving them all night if they are spending money (ive worked in numerous restaurants).

Look, I appreciate you've had it good for a long long time and it is a shock to the system but it is now time to Start doing Some Good Hard Work okay. It's called life.

As for taking your break: happens all over Ireland. Most days I just grab a sandwich at my desk. Big deal. I get over it.

had what good for too long??? obviously you have no idea of the job we do.

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

had what good for too long??? obviously you have no idea of the job we do.

Work for another airline for a day, then you would know :-)

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

had what good for too long??? obviously you have no idea of the job we do.

Yes I've seen you in action.

Nothing special going on that no one else could not do.

cabincrew

The_Thing wrote: »

I support you and your collegues and I hope to see the matter resolved to your satisfaction.

thank you so much.

mandy30

amdublin wrote: »

Yes I've seen you in action.

Nothing special going on that no one else could not do.

It's the union again. Filling their heads full of fluff, making everyone believe they are hard done by. They were doing it when I was there and making everyone feel like they had the rough end of the stick. I laugh when I think of it now, all that moaning. It was a holiday going to work there compared to some jobs that are out there.

cabincrew

mandy30 wrote: »

Work for another airline for a day, then you would know :-)

I have!

mikemac

mandy30 wrote: »

Work for another airline for a day, then you would know :-)

Yes, and in this thread you posted that Ryanair staff are underpaid and work likes dogs

Is that the standard you want all workers to have? Or can they fight for something better?

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

I have!

So have I! And EI is not a patch on any other! The good old days are gone! Once everyone realises that, it will be so much easier! They are not going back to how they were!

So if you have worked for a budget airline before EI, then you should know how well you are treated in comparison.

mandy30

feelingstressed wrote: »

Yes, and in this thread you posted that Ryanair staff are underpaid and work likes dogs

Is that the standard you want all workers to have? Or can they fight for something better?

I dont agree with anyone being worked like dogs. If the Ryanair girls choose that life, then let them.

Fight for your say by all means. But the point I am making is that the girls and guys of EI are NOT worked like dogs in any sense. They are complaining about stuff they have agreed to.

cabincrew

amdublin wrote: »

Yes I've seen you in action.

Nothing special going on that no one else could not do.

You don't travel enough to know what we do...if you did then you wouldn't make that statement

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

You don't travel enough to know what we do...if you did then you wouldn't make that statement

Please enlighten me to what you do that is so special.

mikemac

cabincrew wrote: »

You don't travel enough to know what we do...if you did then you wouldn't make that statement

You'll do well to hold your own on this thread
And your union is doing a lousy job of getting their message out there.

But good luck anyway, you have more public support then you think

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

You don't travel enough to know what we do...if you did then you wouldn't make that statement

God Almighty. Please stop. As an ex crew member I am mortified you are playing this card.

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

You don't travel enough to know what we do...if you did then you wouldn't make that statement

amdublin wrote: »

Please enlighten me to what you do that is so special.

A previous post of mine:

amdublin wrote: »

At the end of the day the job entails:
Waitress/waitering
First aid (if required)
Provision of safety information
Staying calm in emergency

All above skills acquired in what a 4 week training course?

Anything else Ive left out?

It is pretty easy really. ANYONE could do it.

cabincrew

mandy30 wrote: »

So have I! And EI is not a patch on any other! The good old days are gone! Once everyone realises that, it will be so much easier! They are not going back to how they were!

So if you have worked for a budget airline before EI, then you should know how well you are treated in comparison.

Mandy when did you leave?obviously more than 5years ago?

I do love my job and since i joined there has been so many cuts etc,but enough is enough..i am also entitled to a life!

filthymcnasty

cabincrew wrote: »

sorry but that is where you are WRONG!
the published arbitration finding said that any changes to our contract of employment must be agreed by us before hand...the company seem to have 'missed' that part of the arbitration finding.the fact they wont go to the labour court says it all.

1 WE NEVER AGREED TO THEM TAKING AWAY OUR WEEKEND REQUESTS(ONE WEEKEND OFF EVERY 8WEEKS)

2 WE NEVER AGREED TO TAKE OUR MEAL BREAK IN THE AIR

3.WE NEVER AGREED TO 7DAYS OFF A MONTH INSTEAD OF 8..

4 WE NEVER AGREED TO HAVE OUR DUTY CHANGED BY 3HRS ON THE DAY,4HRS THE DAY BEFORE AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY HOURS AFTER THAT.

In this time of recession with 460000 on the dole you think people give a fcuk about your meal breaks and holiday requests. Changes like this affect every work place all the time and people get on with it.

Striking, picketing and whinging is so engrained at Aer Lingus its actually part of the culture there- I'd say a week barely goes by in there without a new list of demands being drawn up and strikes threatened.
The day O'Leary gets in there and shakes up the place the better, ye can all leave then.

mandy30

filthymcnasty wrote: »

In this time of recession with 460000 on the dole you think people give a fcuk about your meal breaks and holiday requests. Changes like this affect every work place all the time and people get on with it.

Striking, picketing and whinging is so engrained at Aer Lingus its actually part of the culture there- I'd say a week barely goes by in there without a new list of demands being drawn up and strikes threatened.
The day O'Leary gets in there and shakes up the place the better, ye can all leave then.

Well said. And it doesnt matter when I left. I still have friends who work there and its still the same old crap happening. And if you 'love' your job, then why are you striking? Causing them to lose even more money, therefore causing MORE CUTS and WORSE conditions. You are all causing this to be worse!

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

You don't travel enough to know what we do...if you did then you wouldn't make that statement

What do you do?

cabincrew

amdublin wrote: »

A previous post of mine:

I never said that not everyone can do the job,but since that is what u mentioned then yes not everyone can do the job,lots of people fail training.the 4 week course is just for one a/c type...under eu law we are required to be on the aircraft for safety reasons,not to serve tea and coffee,service training is half a day...the rest of it safety training.

Anonymous man

mandy30 wrote: »

So have I! And EI is not a patch on any other! The good old days are gone! Once everyone realises that, it will be so much easier! They are not going back to how they were!

So if you have worked for a budget airline before EI, then you should know how well you are treated in comparison.

Exactly Mandy - the good old days are gone indeed. IE. the days of semi state bodies (like when you worked there 6 years ago).
In a few posts you have come to reliase the "Nothing has changed" scenario is no good old day's are gone. The reality is though that you don't realise just how much things have changed. Your basing your arguement on the fact that you used to work in that job.

Anonymous man

mandy30 wrote: »

Well said. And it doesnt matter when I left. I still have friends who work there and its still the same old crap happening. And if you 'love' your job, then why are you striking? Causing them to lose even more money, therefore causing MORE CUTS and WORSE conditions. You are all causing this to be worse!

I am starting to doubt you are telling the truth Mandy. They are not striking. If you had friends there surely you would know that?

mandy30

amdublin wrote: »

What do you do?

Seeing they have no answer I will summarise for you.

Pre flight briefing
Board - security checks
Greet passengers - announcements
Demo
Take off
Out with bar and food trolley
Duty free
Collect empties
THAT IS END OF SERVICE
Secure cabin for landing
Say bye bye to all pax
Clean cabin for return flight (cross seatbelts and pick up visible litter)

AND REPEAT

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

I never said that not everyone can do the job,but since that is what u mentioned then yes not everyone can do the job,lots of people fail training.the 4 week course is just for one a/c type...under eu law we are required to be on the aircraft for safety reasons,not to serve tea and coffee,service training is half a day...the rest of it safety training.

That's great. People do your kind of job all day all over Ireland and all over the world.

But for some reason AL staff think they are entitled to special treatment.

AL are trying to impose standards that are industry standard over the aviation business. Come on, it's time to get with the program just like the rest of us who have taken pay cuts, eat sandwiches at our desk and work extra hours for no pay.

mandy30

Anonymous man wrote: »

I am starting to doubt you are telling the truth Mandy. They are not striking. If you had friends there surely you would know that?

Whatever.