Aerlingus Cabin Crew want the best of both worlds

mandy30

Anonymous man wrote: »

Exactly Mandy - the good old days are gone indeed. IE. the days of semi state bodies (like when you worked there 6 years ago).
In a few posts you have come to reliase the "Nothing has changed" scenario is no good old day's are gone. The reality is though that you don't realise just how much things have changed. Your basing your arguement on the fact that you used to work in that job.

At least I have something to base my case on.

cabincrew

Anonymous man wrote: »

Exactly Mandy - the good old days are gone indeed. IE. the days of semi state bodies (like when you worked there 6 years ago).
In a few posts you have come to reliase the "Nothing has changed" scenario is no good old day's are gone. The reality is though that you don't realise just how much things have changed. Your basing your arguement on the fact that you used to work in that job.

I couldn't agree with you more,that's why i asked when did she leave.The good old days that she mentioned have never existed since i joined.I am in EI for other reasons...not the GOOD OLD DAYS

amdublin

mandy30 wrote: »

Seeing they have no answer I will summarise for you.

Pre flight briefing
Board - security checks
Greet passengers - announcements
Demo
Take off
Out with bar and food trolley
Duty free
Collect empties
THAT IS END OF SERVICE
Secure cabin for landing
Say bye bye to all pax
Clean cabin for return flight (cross seatbelts and pick up visible litter)

AND REPEAT

And First Aid if required
And Emergency Aid if needed

Big swing!

AL staff:
Omg we're so special and talented. We should have more rights than other airlines.

kate74

I have to travel to the uk frequently with work, I don't like flying but have to and only use Aer Lingus. I have always found their crew to be professional and friendly and they certainly don't deserve this obvious bullying from management. I hope this is resolved quickly and my next flight is not on a hired in carrier.

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

I couldn't agree with you more,that's why i asked when did she leave.The good old days that she mentioned have never existed since i joined.I am in EI for other reasons...not the GOOD OLD DAYS

You 2 are hilarious :-))

The soonere O'Leary gets his hands on the rest of the shares and shakes that place up, the better.

The you all can really complain for a reason.

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

I couldn't agree with you more,that's why i asked when did she leave.The good old days that she mentioned have never existed since i joined.I am in EI for other reasons...not the GOOD OLD DAYS

Why are you in EI?

macbrada

Yet another example of staff being misled by unions...the union leaders adorned with their Hugo boss suits convince the troops to fight. this is because they see the subs revenues fall and fall. They need to be seen as doing something to justify their EURO 100000 plus salaries.....

The union heads are as bad or worse than the cowens and lenihans of Ireland!!! Why don,t EI members stop subs and refuse to line the Hugo boss pockets until resolution is achieved? Make them work for it!

mandy30

amdublin wrote: »

Why are you in EI?

I was in EI when it was the good old days.
I was also in it when it was the not so good.
It was still a picnic job in the latter days.

mandy30

macbrada wrote: »

Yet another example of staff being misled by unions...the union leaders adorned with their Hugo boss suits convince the troops to fight. this is because they see the subs revenues fall and fall. They need to be seen as doing something to justify their EURO 100000 plus salaries.....

The union heads are as bad or worse than the cowens and lenihans of Ireland!!! Why don,t EI members stop subs and refuse to line the Hugo boss pockets until resolution is achieved? Make them work for it!

Misled, disillusioned and lied to by IMPACT.

cabincrew

feelingstressed wrote: »

You'll do well to hold your own on this thread
And your union is doing a lousy job of getting their message out there.

But good luck anyway, you have more public support then you think

To be honest i wouldn't lower myself to their standards,we are getting more and more support each day,its not about who wins its about having a work/
life balance.

thanks for your support

amdublin

macbrada wrote: »

Why don,t EI members stop subs and refuse to line the Hugo boss pockets until resolution is achieved? Make them work for it!

IMO it suits EI members to strike instead of just going to work like the rest of us.

kate74

amdublin wrote: »

IMO it suits EI members to strike instead of just going to work like the rest of us.

My understanding is the crew who have been suspended are not being paid. Why would this suit anyone?

amdublin

kate74 wrote: »

My understanding is the crew who have been suspended are not being paid. Why would this suit anyone?

The striking ones not the suspended ones

filthymcnasty

cabincrew wrote: »

To be honest i wouldn't lower myself to their standards,we are getting more and more support each day,its not about who wins its about having a work/
life balance.

thanks for your support

Possibly in the swords/malahide area where half of EI live, i don't know one person who supports this.
Why would they- some kind of socialist brotherhood born out of the recession?

cabincrew

amdublin wrote: »

IMO it suits EI members to strike instead of just going to work like the rest of us.

How many times does it have to be explained..WE ARE NOT ON STRIKE..we are going to work everyday and they wont allow us to work unless we sign a new contract of employment that was not in the binding arbitration agreement.I will not nor will i ever be bullied into signing my life away.

amdublin

cabincrew wrote: »

How many times does it have to be explained..WE ARE NOT ON STRIKE..we are going to work everyday and they wont allow us to work unless we sign a new contract of employment that was not in the binding arbitration agreement.I will not nor will i ever be bullied into signing my life away.

Okay you're probably going to lose your job.

That's too bad

It's not pretty finding a new job in a recession you know.

And definitely not one as easy as you had.

Good luck to you.

kate74

amdublin wrote: »

The striking ones not the suspended ones

The cabin crew are not on strike so who are you referring to?

mandy30

Looks like the Union have led the staff over the cliff on this one.

No public sympathy , no air time ,no going back for years of discussions and clarifications of every minutiae of conditions.


Those days are gone but seems the war horses in the cabin crew didn't see it coming.

EI should go for the jugular and clean out all the malcontents and leave the job for those who actually want to work instead of cribbing.

There is a rotten core in there, if past industrial relations issues are any indicator

Anonymous man

amdublin wrote: »

Okay you're probably going to lose your job.

That's too bad

It's not pretty finding a new job in a recession you know.

And definitely not one as easy as you had.

Good luck to you.

What a malicious little Pr*k you are.

amdublin

kate74 wrote: »

The cabin crew are not on strike so who are you referring to?

Well while it is not officially striking, turning up to work saying I'm ready willing and able to work but not at the terms you (the company) want me to might as well be a strike to me.

Lol I'm just thinking if everyone in my company did that over having to eat a sandwich at our desk (which we do), taking a pay cut (which we did), working longer hours for no pay (which we do).

mandy30

Anonymous man wrote: »

What a malicious little Pr*k you are.

No need for that language mister.

He was just stating his opinion.

amdublin

Anonymous man wrote: »

What a malicious little Pr*k you are.

Okay I am finishing up in this thread now thanks.

Plus reporting you for personal abuse.

cabincrew

kate74 wrote: »

I have to travel to the uk frequently with work, I don't like flying but have to and only use Aer Lingus. I have always found their crew to be professional and friendly and they certainly don't deserve this obvious bullying from management. I hope this is resolved quickly and my next flight is not on a hired in carrier.

Thank you kate,we all really appreciate your support.we also want to resolve this and get back to what we love doing.

Micky Dolenz

Anonymous man wrote: »

What a malicious little Pr*k you are.

Banned

mandy30

There is a bunch of workers out there who are only interested in filling in time rather than working.

Relics of a bygone era.

Weed them out, and get on with it, or go to the wall.


Them's the choices.

Looks like Herr Muller has copped on to that.

cabincrew

Anonymous man wrote: »

What a malicious little Pr*k you are.

He is just doing what management have been doing the last week,scare tactics. and guess what...they do not work.

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

He is just doing what management have been doing the last week,scare tactics. and guess what...they do not work.

They were not scare tactics.

He was telling you if you guys carry on the ridiculous behaviour then you will end up jobless.

mandy30

mandy30 wrote: »

There is a bunch of workers out there who are only interested in filling in time rather than working.

Relics of a bygone era.

Weed them out, and get on with it, or go to the wall.


Them's the choices.

Looks like Herr Muller has copped on to that.

As I said above, filling time rather than hard graft.

kate74

amdublin wrote: »

Well while it is not officially striking, turning up to work saying I'm ready willing and able to work but not at the terms you (the company) want me to might as well be a strike to me.

Lol I'm just thinking if everyone in my company did that over having to eat a sandwich at our desk (which we do), taking a pay cut (which we did), working longer hours for no pay (which we do).

Saying they prefer to strike (or not officially striking as you say) rather than work is ludicrous, they are not being paid, some of them for nearly a week now.

mandy30

kate74 wrote: »

Saying they prefer to strike (or not officially striking as you say) rather than work is ludicrous, they are not being paid, some of them for nearly a week now.

Management should terminate the contracts of those refusing to work the new roster. It is ridiculous in this day and age to have scenes of this militant disgruntled minority trying to dictate what the company should do.

The airline industry is notoriously competitive and cut throat - management need to be assertive if AL is to survive. If they don't want to operate the roster, after fair warning, out they go. Lots other happy to take their place.

kevinmcc

cabincrew wrote: »

He is just doing what management have been doing the last week,scare tactics. and guess what...they do not work.

cabincrew when did you join EI as crew?

kate74

Are your friends that are still there Mandy happy to work the new contracts?

kevinmcc

kate74 wrote: »

Are your friends that are still there Mandy happy to work the new contracts?

What a coincidence that someone gets banned and a new poster joins in

mandy30

kate74 wrote: »

Are your friends that are still there Mandy happy to work the new contracts?

A few aren't and the rest are just happy to still have a job.
They are old and wise enough to know that in order for the airline to survive they have to roll with the punches.
And a few are currently job seeking.

cabincrew

mandy30 wrote: »

Looks like the Union have led the staff over the cliff on this one.

No public sympathy , no air time ,no going back for years of discussions and clarifications of every minutiae of conditions.


Those days are gone but seems the war horses in the cabin crew didn't see it coming.

EI should go for the jugular and clean out all the malcontents and leave the job for those who actually want to work instead of cribbing.

There is a rotten core in there, if past industrial relations issues are any indicator

You are such a negative person and thank god you are gone from ei..its people like you that give cabin crew a bad name..you probably hated the job so much because you actually have to have 'people skills'...and still here you are 6years on,not wanting to let go of the past..well guess what ..You are the past..I am the future and i will continue to look after my customers in years to come with reasonable terms and conditions of employment.

AfterDusk

cabincrew wrote: »

You are such a negative person and thank god you are gone from ei..its people like you that give cabin crew a bad name..you probably hated the job so much because you actually have to have 'people skills'...and still here you are 6years on,not wanting to let go of the past..well guess what ..You are the past..I am the future and i will continue to look after my customers in years to come with reasonable terms and conditions of employment.

Unless you agree to the new conditions, then no you won't be the future.

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

You are such a negative person and thank god you are gone from ei..its people like you that give cabin crew a bad name..you probably hated the job so much because you actually have to have 'people skills'...and still here you are 6years on,not wanting to let go of the past..well guess what ..You are the past..I am the future and i will continue to look after my customers in years to come with reasonable terms and conditions of employment.

LOL. You are the gullible sheep being taken in by the union again and again!
Good luck with finally having to do some work for a change! I hope you finally realise what a holiday your job is.
I got out cos I have a brain and ambtion in life rather than pushing a trolley.
Have a nice fulfilling career!

Diddler1977

cabincrew wrote: »

You are the past..I am the future and i will continue to look after my customers in years to come with reasonable terms and conditions of employment.

But you can't look after your customers on the side lines standing outside of Dub Airport not getting paid.

Any remember anyone can be trained up in 4 weeks to do the job.

cabincrew

kevinmcc wrote: »

cabincrew when did you join EI as crew?

nearly six years ago

cabincrew

Diddler1977 wrote: »

But you can't look after your customers on the side lines standing outside of Dub Airport not getting paid.

Any remember anyone can be trained up in 4 weeks to do the job.

not if they dont have instuctors to train them.

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

not if they dont have instuctors to train them.

They can still draft in outsiders for this. Like they can do for your job.

mandy30

Whether you all believe it or not, you are all replaceable. Only a number! We all are at the end of the day.

LiutenantDan

I'm flying out tomorrow! Well at least I hope I am?
That said - I don't blame cabin crew if they aren't stirking!

kate74

kevinmcc wrote: »

What a coincidence that someone gets banned and a new poster joins in

If you are trying to imply that I am a previous member who was banned then you are wrong my friend. I have been lurking for some time just never registered to comment

kevinmcc

cabincrew wrote: »

nearly six years ago

OK so assuming you have not been promoted you would have been offered the following salary scale for cabin crew in 2005:

20,093.11 - 21,141.92 - 22,190.72 - 23,239.54 - 24,288.38 - 25,337.20 - 26,386.01 - 27,434.82 - 28,483.63 - 29,532.44 - 30,581.26 - 31,630.10 - 32,678.92 - 33,727.71 - 34,776.541 - 35,549.342 - 36,322.153 - 37,094.964 - 38,640.60 (LSI max)

So is this the scale you are earning presently? What other benefits do you get? I know obviously travel benefits for you and your family. Pension? Healthcare? Anything else?

Diddler1977

kevinmcc wrote: »

OK so assuming you have not been promoted you would have been offered the following salary scale for cabin crew in 2005:

20,093.11 - 21,141.92 - 22,190.72 - 23,239.54 - 24,288.38 - 25,337.20 - 26,386.01 - 27,434.82 - 28,483.63 - 29,532.44 - 30,581.26 - 31,630.10 - 32,678.92 - 33,727.71 - 34,776.541 - 35,549.342 - 36,322.153 - 37,094.964 - 38,640.60 (LSI max)

So is this the scale you are earning presently? What other benefits do you get? I know obviously travel benefits for you and your family. Pension? Healthcare? Anything else?

Free lunch included too.

cabincrew

mandy30 wrote: »

They can still draft in outsiders for this. Like they can do for your job.

no sorry they cant.you have no idea what your taking about

mandy30

cabincrew wrote: »

no sorry they cant.you have no idea what your taking about

Oh yes they can, and I do :-)

Pilots, crew, ground staff, trainers, airplanes.....all can be drafted in from elsewhere. You are not special in any way that the operations of an airline grounds to a halt if any of you are not there.

cabincrew

kevinmcc wrote: »

OK so assuming you have not been promoted you would have been offered the following salary scale for cabin crew in 2005:

20,093.11 - 21,141.92 - 22,190.72 - 23,239.54 - 24,288.38 - 25,337.20 - 26,386.01 - 27,434.82 - 28,483.63 - 29,532.44 - 30,581.26 - 31,630.10 - 32,678.92 - 33,727.71 - 34,776.541 - 35,549.342 - 36,322.153 - 37,094.964 - 38,640.60 (LSI max)

So is this the scale you are earning presently? What other benefits do you get? I know obviously travel benefits for you and your family. Pension? Healthcare? Anything else?

a pension also

kevinmcc

cabincrew wrote: »

a pension also

So your salary is approx 25k plus commission?

You have access to flights on Aer Lingus, ZED and ID90's on other airlines. Don't you think your lucky? You do realise Ryanair crew based at DUB earn likely half of that amount and have no pension, healthcare, ZED or ID90 tickets. Aer Lingus has been making a loss the past 2-3 years as you will know from working there. Don't you rather accept these new conditions rather than run the risk of the airline going bust and having no job and no perks?