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Dublin West General Election 2011 [Mod note post #218]
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The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »Okay, well at least you admit it is not true. Eh, it obviously does change the facts. You can't use a false story to back up your point
Varadkar has been very prominent since the last election, locally and nationally. We are pretty unique as each of our TDs and even Joe Higgins have very big profiles and none of them have been anonymous.
I think you have quite the bias against Leo, and it is pretty obvious as you used a false story against him and even with it being pointed out that is not true, you maintain your stance. None of what you say is reflected in voting numbers and facts, just "stories" and your opinion.
The fact that the story may not be true only proves my statement about him not caring about his neighbours is not right. I said in my second comment that it doesn't change the fact that he and FG did not even bother to leaflet certain areas of Dublin West. They clearly felt that some areas weren't worth them bothering about. As someone in one of these areas is it any wonder that I may have a biased view towards him?
I pointed out a few weeks ago that of the 3 TD's for Dublin West in the last government I had never heard of Varadkar do a single thing for my area. I also pointed out that this is probably true for all areas of one or another of the TD's.
I don't want to say where I live, but I can say that Bruton and Lenihan have both been active in getting things done in my area whereas Varadkar has been practically invisible since the last election, other than his constant appearances on the TV.
So, the story I told may not be true, and I hold my hands up to that, but it does not change the FACT that in some areas Varadkar has done nothing over the last 5 years, and did nothing to even try to win our votes this time around.
Also the fact that Joan Burton topped the polls in Dublin West proves that Varadkar isn't as popular in the entire constituency as he may be in Roselawn or Clonsilla.
Also, you accuse me of being biased towards him, but given your praise of him you could be accused of being biased towards him too. Just because you're being positive about him doesn't make it unbiased.0 -
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TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
You're basically saying there that people in certain areas of D15 are all the same. If I live in a certain area that must mean I pay for nothing and get everything given to me? And as such I'm not worthy of Leo Varadkar or FG's time?
I have worked since I was 16, as have my brothers and sisters. My parents have worked and payed tax for the last 40 years. We pay our bin charges, our mortgage, we pay every single tax that has been placed on us, we get no help from anyone. I wasn't entitled to any grants for 3rd level, we're not entitled to medical cards or any other social welfare help. Not one of us has ever claimed a penny from social welfare. We are not scroungers. To assume that just because I may live in a certain area means I'm a certain way is offensive and ignorant on your part.
A lot of info there. Relax, I never assumed anything about your taxes or job or whatever, read my post, so need for the family history. Save the outrage. 0 -
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The Waltzing Consumer wrote: » A lot of info there. Relax, I never assumed anything about your taxes or job or whatever, read my post, so need for the family history. Save the outrage.
Why did you feel the need to mention "certain areas of D15" if that's not what you were implying?
You know what, never mind. This is a pointless exercise, especially now the election is over.
Line drawn.0 -
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while i have no time for either F.F. or F.G. ,as the saying goes " better the devil you know than you dont". i totally disagree with your statement on varadkar being competent. but thats my own personal opinon to which i'm entitled to.genericguy wrote: »Probably the same reason I am - Varadkar is an enemy of those who suffer from a genetic predisposition to unemployment. I grew up in a disadvantaged area of West Dublin and there are many people there who suffer from this terrible affliction. Cocky or not, Varadkar oozes competence.
anyone one can offer the sun,moon and stars to get your vote but at the end of the day it's what's delivered that counts. F.G. only have their own agenda at heart. i have seen these broken promises and lies before and i can tell you here and now what F.G. have promised and what they will deliver will be two completely different things. even before i cast my vote yesterday i was blantantly lied to by varadkar. what they say in their manafesto and what they will deliver will be completely different , joe public will fall for it and by then it will be to late. what i mean by this is their 5 point plan. they will make major changes and tell you " but that was part of the manafesto ,you must've read it wrong or misundertood what they actually meant". again i say come back here in a year or so and tell me i was wrong, t.b.h. i wish you would but that wont happen.
part of the health programme is they want to introduce a system similar to the dutch. up until recent days this has been proven to be very costly , in-effective and ill-advised.
F.G. 2011 manafesto
http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Fine%20Gael%20Manifesto%20low-res.pdf
Public Transport
Nationwide Bus Competition: We will completely overhaul the bus market in Ireland by introducing competitive tendering for all bus routes in the country as soon as practicably possible. More operators will provide more routes and services to the public and at a cheaper cost to the taxpayer and passenger.
Definition of privatisation.
changing something from state to private ownership or control
paddy power here i come. 0 -
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TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »I'm not a massive fan of Joan but I'm delighted she topped the poll over Varadkar. <SNIP>that he is.
It would crack me up if Kenny got his own back on Leo now 0 -
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Pineapple stu wrote: »It would crack me up if Kenny got his own back on Leo now
Was Leo one of the rogues that tried to oust him?0 -
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TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »Was Leo one of the rogues that tried to oust him?
Not just one but the ringleader Leo is only Loyal to himself. 0 -
Pineapple stu wrote: »I disagree, Lenihan has played his part in the area and would help you to the best of his ability considering he had a tough job as the finance minister as well.
All Higgins has done is swap and change where he wants to stand and chased a few bin trucks.
I havent seen Joan in my area but have heard that she has worked hard for people.
Leo in my opinion is all about Leo and is trying to get to the top as quick as possible and only cares about the castlenock areas . I remember years ago that the D15 community council went to the councillors etc about local issues and Leo came out when he was looking to be elected and made out that those issues was his . I havent seen or heard of him doing anything of worth for anyone in D15 but that doesnt say that he hasnt.
Everything panned out as expected.
Joan topped the poll, Leo had ago at vote management (fairly good one too), Higgins as I predicted Thursday had a major surge prior to the election and Lenihan got the fourth seat as expected.
If Joan worked closer with Nulty he may have threatened Lenihan but I know on good account they didn't run in any way together, Joan was opposed to Nulty being on the ticket and she wanted to top the poll outright. That's politics.
Sinn Fein will be disappointed as their vote is static. They did expect a surge here but when you compare to the LEA 09, there is no change. Charlie Maples and Paul Donnelly combined achieved a combined 2001 first preferences between and Castleknock and Mulhuddart. This time out Paul reached 2597 number 1's across Dublinwest.
FF support plummeted as expected everywhere and also in Dublinwest but with the addition of the fourth seat, Lenihan was always ok. He got the FF core vote which is still relatively strong while DmcG for a personal vote of around 630.
Looking to the future, both Nulty and McGuinness have ran in a general election and will now have their name know outside of Mulhuddart ward. As long as the socialists exist, Sinn Fein will not get a foot hold at-all. Dennison polled very well as too did Nulty. Their parties are riding the crest of a wave but the next year or two for their parties in government will determine how well they maintain that popular vote in Dublinwest.
Five years time, or maybe even three will be very interesting when the next general election occurs. This will change from the most predictable constituency to the most interesting.
Expect to see the dog fight then between Dennison, Nulty, Coppinger, McGuinness, Donnelly.
Varadkar, Lenihan/s will dominate here for quite some time.
PS: Michael D for president 0 -
chucknorris wrote: »Everything panned out as expected.
Joan topped the poll, Leo had ago at vote management (fairly good one too), Higgins as I predicted Thursday had a major surge prior to the election and Lenihan got the fourth seat as expected.
If Joan worked closer with Nulty he may have threatened Lenihan but I know on good account they didn't run in any way together, Joan was opposed to Nulty being on the ticket and she wanted to top the poll outright. That's politics.
Sinn Fein will be disappointed as their vote is static. They did expect a surge here but when you compare to the LEA 09, there is no change. Charlie Maples and Paul Donnelly combined achieved a combined 2001 first preferences between and Castleknock and Mulhuddart. This time out Paul reached 2597 number 1's across Dublinwest.
FF support plummeted as expected everywhere and also in Dublinwest but with the addition of the fourth seat, Lenihan was always ok. He got the FF core vote which is still relatively strong while DmcG for a personal vote of around 630.
Looking to the future, both Nulty and McGuinness have ran in a general election and will now have their name know outside of Mulhuddart ward. As long as the socialists exist, Sinn Fein will not get a foot hold at-all. Dennison polled very well as too did Nulty. Their parties are riding the crest of a wave but the next year or two for their parties in government will determine how well they maintain that popular vote in Dublinwest.
Five years time, or maybe even three will be very interesting when the next general election occurs. This will change from the most predictable constituency to the most interesting.
Expect to see the dog fight then between Dennison, Nulty, Coppinger, McGuinness, Donnelly.
Varadkar, Lenihan/s will dominate here for quite some time.
PS: Michael D for president
Agree with a lot of what you say. However, don't expect to see McGuinness on a FF general election ticket again. His vote was too low and too localised. For example, if Lenihan was to retire on health grounds before the next election, you would expect a defeated candidate from a nearby constituency to be parachuted in for the by-election e.g. Conor to take the brother's seat or John Curran.
If there is a general election and Lenihan runs again, he will be the only candidate. If he doesn't run, it will have to be a high-profile candidate with a national profile to keep the only seat in Dublin. If it isn't someone from outside, it will be someone from the Castleknock end of the constituency where Lenihan's votes are based.
No reflection on McGuinness but he is no Brian Lenihan and would not appeal to Lenihan voters.0 -
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