General election

Annasopra

any thoughts on the upcoming general election in Wicklow - have you thought about who you will vote for?

The candidates are

FG
Andrew Doyle TD
Cllr Simon Harris
Billy Timmins TD

FF
Cllr Pat Fitzgerald
Dick Roche TD

Labour
Anne Ferris
Cllr Tom Fortune
Cllr Conal Kavanagh

Sinn Fein
Cllr John Brady

Green Party
Niall Byrne

Independents
Joe Behan
Nicky Kelly
Stephen Donnelly
Charlie Keddy
Cllr Peter Dempsey
Cllr Pat Kavanagh
Gerry Kinsella
Michael Mulvihill
Eugene Finnegan
Thomas Clarke
Kevin Carroll
Anthony Fitzgerald
Donal Kiernan
Jim Tallon

FluffyCat

Think Id go for John Brady actually. He does alot for Bray and is always in the papers for promoting things.

I think its time for Dick Roche to go bye-byes. I pass him every morning as he gets picked up in his, now 2010, merc to go swimming.

Again Joe Behan hasnt done much and I dont think he would get back in, even if he tried. Plus his neighbours seem to be getting their cars vandalised because of him! They wont be voting for him again!!

The rest, to be honest, havent really heard of!! But maybe that young guy, Harris, wont have been corrupted yet, and may do well.

pixbyjohn

I think Nicky Kelly is a Labour Party member and is not on the ticket for Leinster House in this election
O maybe he is running as an Independent

Annasopra

Ill be voting labour myself - I'll admit here that I'm biased as a member of labour just in case people complain

Here's my thoughts on the main candidates who are in with a chance

Roche(FF): Very intelligent but also arrogant, hard worker

Fitzgerald(FF): don't know much about him but he is respected in Arklow

Doyle(FG): fairly popular although some people who voted for him in 07 seemed disappointed

Harris(FG): ambitious but I think its just personal not political ambition

Timmins(FG) - popular in West Wicklow

Ferris(Lab): Has been in the background as 20 years as Liz McManuss secretary but not any longer - strong and feisty

Fortune(Lab): Is respected around Greystones for work in the community

Kavanagh(Lab): very knowledgeable on policy

Brady(SF): Hard worker but very negative - also I am not always convinced by the media stories

Behan(ind): popular but did himself no favours voting for the budget

Kelly(ind): Popular in Arklow

Annasopra

pixbyjohn wrote: »

I think Nicky Kelly is a Labour Party member and is not on the ticket for Leinster House in this election

He wasn't selected at the labour convention but has been in talks with Sinn Fein and the United Left Alliance - he may run as a ULA candidate or independent

iPlop

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Ill be voting labour myself - I'll admit here that I'm biased as a member of labour just in case people complain

Here's my thoughts on the main candidates who are in with a chance

Roche(FF): Very intelligent but also arrogant, hard worker

Fitzgerald(FF): don't know much about him but he is respected in Arklow

Doyle(FG): fairly popular although some people who voted for him in 07 seemed disappointed

Harris(FG): ambitious but I think its just personal not political ambition

Timmins(FG) - popular in West Wicklow

Ferris(Lab): Has been in the background as 20 years as Liz McManuss secretary but not any longer - strong and feisty

Fortune(Lab): Is respected around Greystones for work in the community

Kavanagh(Lab): very knowledgeable on policy

Brady(SF): Hard worker but very negative - also I am not always convinced by the media stories

Behan(ind): popular but did himself no favours voting for the budget

Kelly(ind): Popular in Arklow

And absolutely powerless when up against county managers.I learned this two years ago when I had an issue that needed sorting.I could not believe how much so called power these county managers have.I was completely shocked tbh.They literally told him to eff off and he's in government ,and that was the end of it.

loyatemu

do people actually think that govt ministers (even useless windbags like Roche) should be wasting their time enquiring after minor local issues?

Parish pump politics and people voting in local fixers with no interest in national issues has contributed to the shambles that is the current government - the likes of Jackie Healy-Rae are the worst examples but every constituency has at least 2 or 3 deadweight TDs who contribute nothing to the governing of the country.

I've voted Green and Labour in the past, I certainly won't be voting Green this time - Labour I don't know about, they seem to be all hot air and no policies but they are muttering about constitutional reform which IMO is the most important issue facing the country now that we've surrendered our sovereignty (our current system has failed utterly).

As for the local faces - Simon Harris is possibly a future minister, but he's a kid who's never done anything outside politics & part of the problem of government is career politicians with no understanding of the real lives their constituents lead - Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore have been politicians since the 1970s, they have no connection to the real world.

Its almost certain to be a FG/Lab coalition that gets in (though the way FF are disintegrating, a FG majority must be a possibility now) - I've no real confidence in either party, but I'll enjoy seeing FF taking a kicking.

miseagustusa

i myself will b voting independents!!!! sick of party politics!!!!!

vote no1 peter dempsey

Is Rossa Murray not going to run for SF?

Annasopra

Papa Smut wrote: »

Is Rossa Murray not going to run for SF?

No - Rossa Murray is a councillor as is John Brady - John Brady is running for Sinn Fein

loobylou

Sink The Banana wrote: »

And absolutely powerless when up against county managers.I learned this two years ago when I had an issue that needed sorting.I could not believe how much so called power these county managers have.I was completely shocked tbh.They literally told him to eff off and he's in government ,and that was the end of it.

You just don't know how happy that makes me.:D:D

murpho999

Sink The Banana wrote: »

And absolutely powerless when up against county managers.I learned this two years ago when I had an issue that needed sorting.I could not believe how much so called power these county managers have.I was completely shocked tbh.They literally told him to eff off and he's in government ,and that was the end of it.

Do you know what I was delighted to read that. To me that's what a county manager is supposed to do....i.e. manage!

Why should he back down just because a member of government pressuries him?

Think this sums up everything that is wrong with out political system.

TD's & Ministers should only be involved in issues of national importance and local issues should be dealt with by councils with no interference from politicians!

iPlop

murpho999 wrote: »

Do you know what I was delighted to read that. To me that's what a county manager is supposed to do....i.e. manage!

Why should he back down just because a member of government pressuries him?

Think this sums up everything that is wrong with out political system.

TD's & Ministers should only be involved in issues of national importance and local issues should be dealt with by councils with no interference from politicians!

I agree but he was the representitive for me ,if the political system should change ,there should be people working to resolve local issues and ministers should be running the country

AnCatDubh

FluffyCat wrote: »

He does alot for Bray and is always in the papers for promoting things.

Not disagreeing on the candidate (I don't know much about him tbh) but isn't one of the major problems of where we're currently at in this country the issue of the local guy looking after the local issue - surely, we as a country need to be getting to a better place with this stuff.

andrewdcs

Trying to find out about Stephen Donnelly in Greystones, local lad made good, international consultant, studied at the Kennedy School in Harvard. He seems very closely politically aligned to the McWilliams / Ross camp (as long as David doesn't run in north wicklow, Seanie Fitz, Dustin, Zig and Zag should throw their lot in too!). Sadly for him he has a massive head which never looks good but thats all I know from his site.
http://stephendonnelly.ie/

After Joan Burtons 'performance' I can't with a conscience throw Labours Liz replacement a vote unless they move Joan to a less public ministry (or an institution!). That was one of the most embarrasing things I've seen over the past few weeks, that's saying a lot.

Simon Harris doesn't give me a good feeling, slightly too smooth, trustworthy but more car sales than TD. TBH I'd vote for him as he seems very smart / genuine and he's young and idealistic (when it's ok to be) but then again I'd feel more comfortable just buying a car off him. I think FG would have been better pitching him at the CC for another term, pick up a bit more gravity / experience.

Also what's the reasoning behind Labour and FG pumping 3 candidates? Seems crazy to me.

Merrilady

Depends on what they have to say when they call to my door (calling to my door is a joke as I have never once seen any of them and I've lived in Delgany for almost 6 years )

Mitch Connor

Stephen Donnelly and Simon Harris are my two votes at the moment, have to look more into the potential policy's and beliefs though.

Mr Posh

Harris seems a nice kid but what experience does he really have in business, rasing a family, paying a Mortgage!!! It’s the some old carrier politicians I’m afraid

We as voters need to drive the reform in 2011 which mean not voting for the same old characters to do the same old job

The one question I will be asking is: What makes YOU qualified to be a TD on my behalf???

Not that you can fix the potholes onside my house not that you lay claim to countless local improvements in the community which every other Councillor will also lay claim too and in truth are only doing the job they were elected to do in the first place.

What experience have you got in business, economics , management and life to represent me.

I will be taking a closer look at Stephen Donnelly provided there will be an alliance with other like minded independents like Shane Ross.

We need specifics and commitments on political reform

Son of Jack

Shane Ross would be excellent, but the worry is that some Independents are just mavericks.

If there isn't a solid majority, a maverick can have the country over a barrel - as has happened in the past.

I think Simon Harris has integrity and hope he does well. He works hard and is very approachable (always ... not just around election time).

Annasopra

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly and Simon Harris are my two votes at the moment, have to look more into the potential policy's and beliefs though.

I don't think either of those candidates stands for anything - In Harriss case he wants to be a TD for the sake of being a TD - Stephen Donnelly is standing on some vague platform about negotiations with the IMF despite the fact that an independent will have no such role

SitUbuSit

Johnnymcg wrote: »

I don't think either of those candidates stands for anything - In Harriss case he wants to be a TD for the sake of being a TD - Stephen Donnelly is standing on some vague platform about negotiations with the IMF despite the fact that an independent will have no such role

There are a lot more policy objectives than just IMF negotiations on Donnelly's website. Check out http://www.stephendonnelly.ie/vision

If we want to see better quality representation in Dáil Éireann, then we need to start electing people with skills and expertise to work on national issues...but this is a big mind-shift from how we normally elect.

loyatemu

Stephen Donnelly is on Vincent Browne tonight apparently.

Mr Posh

Stephen Donnelly policy document launched yesterday, worth a read

http://stephendonnelly.ie/vision/

Mr Posh

Here is VB from last night, I do find him amusing I have to say, at least he cuts to the chase

jellybeano

Mr Posh wrote: »

We as voters need to drive the reform in 2011 which mean not voting for the same old characters to do the same old job

The one question I will be asking is: What makes YOU qualified to be a TD on my behalf???

What experience have you got in business, economics , management and life to represent me.

I will be taking a closer look at Stephen Donnelly provided there will be an alliance with other like minded independents like Shane Ross.

We need specifics and commitments on political reform

seamuscarey wrote: »

If we want to see better quality representation in Dáil Éireann, then we need to start electing people with skills and expertise to work on national issues...but this is a big mind-shift from how we normally elect.

I agree, the irish political system is rotten to the core. The last thing we need is to elect locals who sort out local issues. We need a team of national leaders who can make and implement the correct solutions to our national crisis. Stephen Donnelly is fresh and seems have experience in helping countries in trouble. He gets my vote.

airscotty

I'll be looking for the most qualified candidate to deal with national issues. Stephen Donnelly seems to fit the bill so far.

I dont understand how ministers can be shifted from Health to Transport to Education etc when they may have no experience or quilifications in that area? Surly it should be the most qualified person for the position??

Mr Posh

Totally agree, its just madness to have these posters boys/girls who move from one department to the next looking for the easiest project to take credit for when in reality it’s the senior civil servants making and implementing decisions.

I would like to see senior civil servants accountable for there decisions and actions, if there are not up to scratch or are not performing then we as tax payers should have the ability to remove them from there roles.

Bertie makes me laugh claiming he knew nothing about what was going on, any good CEO needs to put a competent team together and if that team fails to deliver it is the fault of the CEO who put that team together!!! so yes YOU Bertie

Having looked more into it Stephen Donnelly defiantly has my vote

mikedragon32

jellybeano wrote:

I agree, the irish political system is rotten to the core. The last thing we need is to elect locals who sort out local issues. We need a team of national leaders who can make and implement the correct solutions to our national crisis. Stephen Donnelly is fresh and seems have experience in helping countries in trouble. He gets my vote.

You might want to move to Wicklow to vote for any of the candidates here, if your current location (Dublin) is anything to go by.

Looks like a shill to me, but I'll leave that to the Mods to decide.

Anyone who votes for any candidate on the basis of what he/she has done for the town/area/local GAA club really needs to wise up. Politicians more interested in attending funerals to be seen and who are more worried about getting votes next time around are precisely why we are in the mire we find ourselves in now.

Problem with the council? That's what councillors are for!

There's a saying: Don't hate the player, hate the game. Well it's time the game changed.

I liked Stephen Donnelly's appearance on VB.
He was coherent and looked like he understood what he was talking about.
He reminded me of the Irish times economics correspondent Dan O'Brien-A similar excelent grasp of what to do.

He's one of Shane Ross's gang of like minded independents.Not entirely right wing not Centre and not left but a little bit of all three without being an all over the place,what way is the wind blowing centrist.

As regards FF,I think they chose Pat Fitzgerald down in Arklow to run in the hope people who vote for him will give their no.2 to Roche and help bring him over the line.
Arklow is a funny place like that...they remember the people who got that pothole fixed etc and Fitz is big on the ground like that.
He'll get 2 or 3000 votes.
I've heard a lot of FF'ers though who said they won't vote for Roche this time so they might give Pat a go meaning there is the outside possibility that this may backfire and Fitz gets elected.
I do think FF will scrape one seat.

Personally I've my mind made up a long time ago.
This whole debate palava is just pure [pardon my french] shoite that matters nothing to anyone really.
Just promote your policies,appear on primetime etc lads and forget the theatrics.

I can't vote for FF for obvious reasons.I generally vote to sack incompetents
So I'm voting 1,2,3 FG and then Labour.
Though,theres a possibility yet that Stephen Donnelly will get my no.1 if he further impresses with the transfers going 234 fg 567 labour.

No need for me to carry on the transfers after that.

jungledrums

It's interesting that people here see that a parish pump politics is a thing of the past. If you apply for a job you should have the requisite skills for that job they same should apply to politics.

The Hill Billy

Hi all. Can ye discuss the candidates & their policies without spamming their websites all through the thread. Yes Donnelly supporters, I'm looking at you.

Thanks,

HB

bogtreader

It is all about getting your name out there and getting recognised he has been
on Vincent Brown an article on independents in yesterdays Sunday independent
What people should be concentrating on is what to say to your potential
candidates when you are stopped in the street or at your door.
I should mention i am not a donnelly supporter

Mr Posh

I’m not a fully fledge supporter of Stepehn Donnelly yet but its looking that way after sizing up all the candidates

I will probably go:

1 Donnelly
2 Fortune/Labour
3 Other Labour
4 Other Labour

Can’t say I’m delaighed with Labour and the way they have refused to answer questions on there policys as if we are all stupid. I will not be voting FG on the basis I object to there leader as its the same old same old different shirt, his politics over the last six months suggest we will not see a real reform on the way the Dail is run.


Timmons- is another hand me down seat
Doyle - has made little or no impact from the back benches might as well vote independent
Harris- has no experience to be a modern day TD and is a career politician in the making. I would have expected him to finish his first term as a councillor before jumping ship on all the people who voted for him in the local elections!

bogtreader

Problem is it is most likely going to be a coalition government.
It is going to be a merging of policies after the election.
I am normally a Labour voter i listen to Enda Kennys speech in the Dail
he made a good speech so i am a bit torn at the moment.
I will probably give my no 2 to an independent

Macy0161

Thought Donnelly was alright on Brawn - hoped to get to the meeting on Monday, and disappointed he wasn't around Greystones on Sunday with his canvassers. However, if he is linked to Ross he won't be getting a high preference from me.

It'll be Labour, SF, ULA, FG for me, with possibly Donnelly in the mix somewhere. FG in the hope it might deny one of the 3 FFers a seat (don't kind yourself that Behan is anything but FF given his voting record, particularly recently - plus I have issues with his donations list from the last election).

Annasopra

bogtreader wrote: »

Problem is it is most likely going to be a coalition government.
It is going to be a merging of policies after the election.
I am normally a Labour voter i listen to Enda Kennys speech in the Dail
he made a good speech so i am a bit torn at the moment.
I will probably give my no 2 to an independent

Are you voting for labour or FG? - they have 3 candidates each! - If you are then surely you would give an independent your 7th preference

bogtreader

Still undecided Johnnymcg You dont have to give 123 to FG or 123 Lab.

Annasopra

bogtreader wrote: »

Still undecided Johnnymcg You dont have to give 123 to FG or 123 Lab.

I know you don't!

joceadaigh

bogtreader wrote: »

It is all about getting your name out there and getting recognised

So hope you all don't forget about Charlie Keddy. You can find him on Facebook at Vote Charlie Keddy

Annasopra

joceadaigh wrote: »

So hope you all don't forget about Charlie Keddy. You can find him on Facebook at Vote Charlie Keddy

How could we forget him! I'm afraid I'm pro-choice so he will be quite low down on my preferences

SharonKeilthy

Hello to all

I've been frustrated - and embarrassed - by the dire situation we've ended up in. I work hard and pay a lot of taxes - and am happy to do so as long as they are well spent on services for people here in Ireland - but am not happy for them to be paid-out to foreign investors or otherwise wasted.

Apathy and even emigration were tempting me. But then my colleague Stephen Donnelly decided to run for election. Knowing him, and how capable he is, and how passionate he is about his country, I decided to invest as much of my time as I could muster in helping Stephen be elected. Whoever else deserves to be in that 166, he definitely does. And someone like Stephen being elected could send a powerful signal, of a new era, and of normal people with the right skills - not necessarily career politicians - stepping-up and taking responsibility for their country.

<snip>

StillWaters

Deleted User wrote: »

Arklow is a funny place like that...they remember the people who got that pothole fixed etc and Fitz is big on the ground like that.
He'll get 2 or 3000 votes.

True and not true...

Not true - If Arklow was truly parochial and engaged in parish pump politics they would have elected a TD before now, if you have seen tallies, you know a huge vote goes outside the town.

True - Pat is an excellent Councillor, I don't think anyone disputes that. A Councillor does not a Legislator make though, but the 1,500-2,000 people who give him no. 1 wont see that.

StillWaters

StillWaters wrote: »

Not true - If Arklow was truly parochial and engaged in parish pump politics they would have elected a TD before now, if you have seen tallies, you know a huge vote goes outside the town.

The reason there is twofold and simple-Historically there has been a strong FF vote in that town,one that wasn't going to a non FF candidate.
There was nearly a quota between Nicky and Pat last time but the transfers wouldn't have happened.
Secondly Arklow people are poor organisers.
Most of anything decent done in the town has been by non locals.
They are intrinsically daft that way and it's so far been to their eternal shame.
Pat fitzgerald must know he's only a vote catcher for Dick roche,thats his purpose.He hasn't a hope of being elected as even arklow loyalists are fed up with him,they'll probably vote Demsey and transfer all over the place depending on their hatrid of all things FG.
Fitz wasn't put on the ticket for the love of Arklow.

Annasopra

MOD WARNING

Folks its pretty obvious that Stephen Donnellys supporters who don't even live in Wicklow are talking him up in this thread - I've no problem with this as such once people are open and honest. There is also a fine line between stating why you are supporting him and directly asking for support which could be considered advertising - It is inappropriate to use boards.ie to ask for votes or support.

jungledrums

Johnnymcg wrote: »

MOD WARNING

Folks its pretty obvious that Stephen Donnellys supporters who don't even live in Wicklow are talking him up in this thread - I've no problem with this as such once people are open and honest. There is also a fine line between stating why you are supporting him and directly asking for support which could be considered advertising - It is inappropriate to use boards.ie to ask for votes or support.

Johnnymcg
First of all I will declare I am a Donnelly fan!
Secondly I am supporting him not because I'm on his campaign team but because he is what's needed in this country.
Thirdly I think it is not a conceited campaign by "supporters" it's more like the demographic of his supporters are more adept with the "interweb" than the like of the FF crew. Donnelly and Harris have a young following which is representive of their tech savvy. I do think the web is the new doorstep but may not be as effective this election but it's defo the way forward
If enough of the people vote indo the government may realise that deep routed change is wholly desired by the public

SharonKeilthy

Johnnymcg wrote: »

MOD WARNING

Folks its pretty obvious that Stephen Donnellys supporters who don't even live in Wicklow are talking him up in this thread - I've no problem with this as such once people are open and honest. There is also a fine line between stating why you are supporting him and directly asking for support which could be considered advertising - It is inappropriate to use boards.ie to ask for votes or support.

I don't think my post above could have been more open or honest. I don't live in Wicklow, but that doesn't affect anything I said.

Fair enough about not allowing requests for support.

Best wishes, S

Mr Posh

I would like to see a debate of the top five in the boards.ie Wicklow Election poll to see what they have to say, anyone know if this is planned?

Annasopra

24 candidates - this will be interesting!

Mr Posh

Two weeks to go!!

Anybody had first hand experience of any of the candidates?

bogtreader

No one has called as yet.
Two leaflets dropped in the letter box though.
One from Tom Fortune the other Simon Harris both giving your entitlements

Mr Posh

lets get in on!!!

http://www.wicklownews.net/index.php/2011/02/election-2011-donnelly-challenges-tds-to-debate/

No doubt they will do an Enda Kenny as they will come to the conclusion that they have more to lose than gain !!!!

Good old democracy at work again!!