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Little girl injured by maniac carjacker

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  • #252
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    drkpower wrote: »
    :DLol!:D

    So are you saying that it may be ok for an 11y.o. to walk to school now? And that it is ok for an 11 yo to walk in the park now?

    It depends on the situation. I can't really put it any clearer.
    Plumbers wrote: »
    Yeah and i bring my pepper spray and rape alarm into the shower with me too. Dunno what sort of cocoon you live in. It really isn't that bad out here you know:rolleyes:

    In Limerick? Actually it's pretty bad.


  • #253
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    k_mac wrote: »
    It depends on the situation. I can't really put it any clearer..

    You said it much clearer a few posts ago (see below) but now you are running away from that position quicker than an 11 year old runing away from a paedophile. :rolleyes:
    k_mac wrote: »
    Definitely in this day and age an eleven year old should not be walking around a park on their own.

    ....not you as an eleven year old...
    ....not your park, 1 mile away and over the N7....
    :Dd'oh....:D


  • #254
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,577 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    cruiser178 wrote: »
    but the 2 yro was not in the car when the cop shot 2 rounds at the driver,did you read any of the links to this thread
    Did you bother to actually read my post?
    Victor wrote: »
    If you were a garda, are you sure you'd engage in an all-out shoot-out with a 2-year old believed to be in the back of the car.
    Are you sure that in the time the armed response unit got to the scene they specifically knew that the correct 2-year old had been found?
    cruiser178 wrote: »
    besides that are the armed response just a bad shot or did they just shoot to scare,,,what do you think?
    Would you be such a good shot at a moving taget that is driving at you with the intention of hitting you?


  • #255
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    J K wrote: »
    Isn't it equally reckless once the keys are in it.
    It's also illegal.
    This is correct, which is why you can be arrested for being asleep in your car with the keys in the ignition. The proper terminology is something like "the individual in control of the vehicle", which in this case was an eleven year old child.


  • #256
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Has Richard Dower posted here?


  • #257
    irelandrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    J K wrote: »
    S.I. No. 190/1963 — Road Traffic (Construction, Equipment and Use of Vehicles) Regulations, 1963.

    Part VII
    Section. 87(2)(c)

    Stationary vehicles.

    87. (1) Where a vehicle as allowed to remain stationary on a public road, the driver shall not, subject to sub-article (2) of this article, leave the vehicle unattended unless—


    (a) the engine of the vehicle is not running,


    (b) where the engine is contained in a separate portion of the vehicle capable of being closed, such portion is closed, and


    (c) where the vehicle is fitted under article 31 of these Regulations with a door or doors capable of being locked or with a device for preventing unauthorised driving, such door, doors or device is or are locked so as to prevent the vehicle being driven, and, where appropriate, the key of the door, doors or device is removed from the vehicle.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1963/en/si/0190.html#zzsi190y1963a87

    Does this law apply in this case since a petrol station forecourt is not a public road.


  • #258
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    irelandrover wrote: »
    Does this law apply in this case since a petrol station forecourt is not a public road.
    OisinT will know this. He'll post you the answer in the morning.


  • #259
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,577 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    irelandrover wrote: »
    Does this law apply in this case since a petrol station forecourt is not a public road.
    The act was subsequently change from "public road" to "public place" (public referring to access, bit ownership), so it would include a shop / petrol station forecourt, but not your private driveway.


  • #260
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    The proper terminology is something like "the individual in control of the vehicle", which in this case was an eleven year old child.

    *Awaits some one jumping in to say it was an 11, 10, and 2 year old that was in the car, equaling a mature 23 year old.*


  • #261
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    drkpower wrote: »
    You said it much clearer a few posts ago (see below) but now you are running away from that position quicker than an 11 year old runing away from a paedophile. :rolleyes:



    ....not you as an eleven year old...
    ....not your park, 1 mile away and over the N7....
    :Dd'oh....:D

    I still think an eleven year old shouldn't be on their own in a park. If they are with friends it is different.


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  • #262
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Plumbers wrote: »
    My god is this still being debated ???

    The woman popped into the shop, not the pub for a swift one! I'm sure she won't be doing it again.
    What's the bets the long streak of PI$$ who took the car will spend just about as much time inside as this woman did in the shop!

    And for all of you on you moral high horse....You say you would lock the car, take the keys with you. What happens when one of your kids releases the handbrake and off down the hill they go heading for the river? And no one can save them cos the goddamn car is locked!!! You're ok with boards berating you then for your disgraceful crime? Maybe we should call the social services on you now. Save you from your disgusting neglect.

    Get over yourselves people! This thread should be about the scumbag

    END OF.


    Haha! You're right.
    The high-horsers on here are typical busy-body, stuffed-shirt hypocrites. They'll piss and moan about this woman leaving the keys in the ignition yet if the story was that the woman was chased from the shop by scumbags and when she got to her car she fumbled to get the keys but the time lost meant she couldn't get the car door open and the scumbags murdered her three kids, they'd be saying she's negligent for not leaving her kids in the car where they'd be safer than bringing them into the shop in a high-crime area. Also they'd say "if she left the keys and the kids in the car, this never would have happened!!!!"

    facepalm!!


  • #263
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    k_mac wrote: »
    My school was 100 meters down the road. The nearest park was a mile away and involve crossing the n7 before there was any bridges on it. I think my judgement is sound thenks.



    So what if I'm being judgemental. doesn't mean I amn't right.



    If you want to take short cuts you have to be prepared to take the consequences of your actions, especially when it comes to child care. The man would not have been able to take the car but for the mothers negligence. I don't know if you have noticed but crime is pretty rampant in a recession. You don't leave your sat nav on show or a handbag on your front seat do you?


    You really do sound like an old woman!


  • #264
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    MarkR wrote: »
    I'm merely pointing out that isn't a mistake that someone should be vilified for. There was an 11 year old girl in the car, who quite possibly can be trusted to mind her brothers for a few minutes in a car with her mother 15 feet away.

    Saying that, I wouldn't have left the keys in the car with them.

    Kids + running car + no parents = accident waiting to happen.

    Of course she couldn't have expected scumbags to steal her car with her kids in it, for which no blame attaches in my view. But just leaving kids in a running car is risky because of what kids can get up to.


  • #265
    [Deleted User]
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    k_mac wrote: »

    So what if I'm being judgemental. doesn't mean I amn't right.



    ?
    :pac:
    You amn't right.


  • #266
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    k_mac wrote: »
    I still think an eleven year old shouldn't be on their own in a park. If they are with friends it is different.

    Wtf....?:rolleyes:

    So, lets get this straight. A while back, you said, plainly, that it wasnt ok for an 11 y.o to walk in the park on their own. When I asked you to clarify, you said that you were only referring to your own childhood park (which was a mile away and over the N7). So I asked you to clarify again, at which point you said, 'it depends on the situation. I can't really put it any clearer'.

    But now, it doesnt depend on the situation, you are back to it not being ok at all, in any circumstances (unless they are with friends)......:D

    You really dont know what you are saying anymore, do you...?!:D


  • #267
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Haha! You're right.
    The high-horsers on here are typical busy-body, stuffed-shirt hypocrites. They'll piss and moan about this woman leaving the keys in the ignition yet if the story was that the woman was chased from the shop by scumbags and when she got to her car she fumbled to get the keys but the time lost meant she couldn't get the car door open and the scumbags murdered her three kids, they'd be saying she's negligent for not leaving her kids in the car where they'd be safer than bringing them into the shop in a high-crime area. Also they'd say "if she left the keys and the kids in the car, this never would have happened!!!!"

    facepalm!!

    That's just ridiculous.
    jackiebaron wrote: »
    You really do sound like an old woman!

    Rather be an old woman than a **** parent with a traumatised child.


  • #268
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    drkpower wrote: »
    Wtf....?:rolleyes:

    So, lets get this straight. A while back, you said, plainly, that it wasnt ok for an 11 y.o to walk in the park on their own. When I asked you to clarify, you said that you were only referring to your own childhood park (which was a mile away and over the N7). So I asked you to clarify again, at which point you said, 'it depends on the situation. I can't really put it any clearer'.

    But now, it doesnt depend on the situation, you are back to it not being ok at all, in any circumstances (unless they are with friends)......:D

    You really dont know what you are saying anymore, do you...?!:D

    I said it could be ok for them to walk to the park alone. I said it was not ok for them to be hanging around a park on their own. I hope you can see the difference. Please feel free to suggest some more pointlessly unrelated scenarios as you seem to enjoy them.


  • #269
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    k_mac wrote: »
    I said it could be ok for them to walk to the park alone. I said it was not ok for them to be hanging around a park on their own. I hope you can see the difference.

    Well i dont actually.

    I was walking in St Anne's Park yesterday. It was absolutely jammed. On the way home, I walked through a variety of suburban roads. They were practically deserted. I know which would be safer for the average 11 y.o.

    So why do you think it is irresponsible (or bad judgment or whatever) for a an 11 y.o. to walk to a park, but not in a park, on their own? Are quiet suburban roads safer that busy suburban parks? Or do you know what you are taking about?


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