Mate - 1000th day on the dole

Krusader

Remember that people's dole money goes straight back into the economy, people on the dole don't pile their dole money under the matress, people spending their dole also keeps people in jobs

PAULWATSON

The opening poster is pushing an agenda, which lobby group do you work for?

CorkMan

I wonder if Kevin has received his "Diploma of Unemployabiltiy" by now.

RonMexico

I'm baffled by the accusations that the OP is making this up to push some agenda.

The story is 100% true.

Blackjack

Crosáidí wrote: »

Remember that people's dole money goes straight back into the economy, people on the dole don't pile their dole money under the matress, people spending their dole also keeps people in jobs

Lets give them even more money, that'll sort the economy out.

All we need to do is to squeeze the taxpayer, who works for their cash, for even more tax to fund this economical miracle.

As long as we have a plentiful supply of taxpayers money for people to go and spend, we'll be out of this rut in no time.




Oh wait....

We've tried that already.

Krusader

Blackjack wrote: »

Lets give them even more money, that'll sort the economy out.

All we need to do is to squeeze the taxpayer, who works for their cash, for even more tax to fund this economical miracle.

As long as we have a plentiful supply of taxpayers money for people to go and spend, we'll be out of this rut in no time.




Oh wait....

We've tried that already.

Your missing my point

don ramo

when unemployment reaches 20%+ well have a problem, most people do genuinely wanna work, we have about 12% unemployment, which translates to 88% employment, thats fairly good, and for a small country it makes it easier to get the unemployment figure down, just have to ride the storm,

also on a funny note the dole dropped by something like 4% but the minimum wage was slahed by something like 12-14%, making it yet more affordable to be unemployed:D

gotta love Ireland,:D

Blackjack

Crosáidí wrote: »

Your missing my point

Not really. I reckon Dole should be reduced and the monies not paid/Saved perhaps be put towards some areas that need improvement.

I.e. Education, Health, etc.

Also, if we're reducing minimum wage by a specific percentage, Dole should at least be reduced by the same percentage if not more. As many have said here, if there is little incentive to take a minimum wage job, then people will just sit it out on the dole.

Cavehill Red

How far would the tens of billions we've pumped into the banks, or indeed the 100 billion or more that Clowen put us on the hook for, go towards job creation, I wonder?

This employed v unemployed crap is tedious, imo. It's another way to distract the populace from the real problem facing the country, which is the bankers absconding stage left with the entire wealth of the nation for years to come.

Blackjack

For the record - I've no problem with the Dole as it stands for those who genuinely need or deserve it.

However if someone has been on the dole for nearly 3 years and has only applied for 10 jobs in that time, they're taking the piss, and their Dole needs to be cut in order to incentivise them to move their holes and stop being a burden on the rest of us.

Cavehill Red

Still no news about Kevin's party? I'm disappointed. I was hoping to see some of the graduation pics when he received his 'diploma of unemployability.'

gaf1983

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Still no news about Kevin's party? I'm disappointed. I was hoping to see some of the graduation pics when he received his 'diploma of unemployability.'

Both people exist, I know both of them, I was invited but didn't go as I had other stuff on I also thought it seemed like an exercise in good old fashioned public humiliation/bullying. On the other hand I do think 2.5 years is a long time to be living at home on the dole and Kev should perhaps send out more than 10 CVs in the same time period (I don't know if that bit's an exagerration).

nickobrien1985

Ya Gaff,
why didn't you head to the party.
I sent you two invitations on Facebook.

Gaff you know that Kev has apply for 'dick all' jobs,
he even jokes about it.
Ask him at football on Friday.

(Remember Gaff when I gave you that thumping shoulder into the back during that football match? :-) - Fair 50/50 ball. I was on creatine too, that makes me aggressive.

I emailed Kev the links to two FAS WPP2 jobs that he would be suited for. That was 3weeks ago. He said he forgot his FAS username and password, and tried ringing FAS about it.
LAZY FULL STOP.

nickobrien1985

I can send people on a copy of the Diploma of Unemployability if they request it

Captain_Generic

I know a few people on the dole and they're all lazy ****.......but so are most of the people I know in general. I can't remember where i was going with this

Cavehill Red

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

I can send people on a copy of the Diploma of Unemployability if they request it

Why not put it up on this site so we all can see what a cruel fecker you are to people you consider your mates?

Oranage2

This has been the best thread on boards since I've joined!!!

nickobrien1985

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Why not put it up on this site so we all can see what a cruel fecker you are to people you consider your mates?

I didn't do the Diploma. Another mate did.

Really we want our mate to get his bloody act together, or he'll end up some complete loser in life

Cavehill Red

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

I didn't do the Diploma. Another mate did.

Really we want our mate to get his bloody act together, or I'll end up some complete loser in life

Freudian slip? Or do you now realise that by humiliating your friends you're already a loser?
Bullying and humiliating the lad, if he exists, is no way to encourage him to improve his lot in life. Grow up and get over your superiority complex.

nickobrien1985

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Freudian slip? Or do you now realise that by humiliating your friends you're already a loser?
Bullying and humiliating the lad, if he exists, is no way to encourage him to improve his lot in life. Grow up and get over your superiority complex.

Screw you, I was out of contract in 2008, used all my savings and got a loan to do a postgrad down Trinity. No parental or govt support. I nearly went bankrupt. Then after that I got rejected for about 150jobs. In October after much blood, sweat and tears I got a job, a good job. It pisses me off that there are tonnes of lazy feckers in Ireland, who don't even apply for jobs nor go into training.

You know nothing about our friend.
We've tried to encourage all the time, sending him links to jobs, encouraging him to apply.
Those avenues have failed.
His parents don't care about his employment situation. He's very fortunate that he has educated friends there to motivate him.

For some a bit of public embarasment may cause him to get off his backside.

Who are you to judge?

Oranage2

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

Screw you, I was out of contract in 2008, used all my savings and got a loan to do a postgrad down Trinity. No parental or govt support. I nearly went bankrupt. Then after that I got rejected for about 150jobs. In October after much blood, sweat and tears I got a job, a good job. It pisses me off that there are tonnes of lazy feckers in Ireland, who don't even apply for jobs nor go into training.

You know nothing about our friend.
We've tried to encourage all the time, sending him links to jobs, encouraging him to apply.
Those avenues have failed.
His parents don't care about his employment situation. He's very fortunate that he has educated friends there to motivate him.

For some a bit of public embarasment may cause him to get off his backside.

Who are you to judge?

Well the fact of the matter is that if you have a job and work 35 hours on minimum wage you'll only make about 70 euro more than the dole - and you'll have to pay for transport and lunch as well as lose out on 35hours xbox live time. I myself would work but i can see how there's very little benifit to work for minimum wage when the Dole is so high!

geeky

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

How bout the govt. offer €500 to someone who finds a job after being on the dole for less than 6mths?

Actually, the Government have a very handy thing in the Revenue Job Assist programme - basically, it's an extra tax credit worth a couple of grand in the first year of employment (after being unemployed 12+months), then it gradually goes down over three years. Was really surprised by how sensible it was when I heard about it.

UDAWINNER

in a job myself, but have a good few mates on the dole and they are trying their asses off to get a job. So less of the dole bashing.

SparKing

Who has ever "bashed" someone on the dole if they are actively looking for work?
I have mates on the dole too, most of them have applied for work/further education, the issue is with the long-term unemployed who have found a nice little niche for themselves and are quite happy to survive on the dole, I know a few.
What about lads on back to education, who take a year out (paid from Dept. of Social Welfare) until they head back to college next year, I know a few of them too.
The OP has made it quite clear that "Kev" has made only a token effort to find a job despite the best efforts of his friends to try to encourage/help him.
He shouldn't be receiving more than a token amount if he's only making a token effort.

Cavehill Red

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

Screw you, I was out of contract in 2008, used all my savings and got a loan to do a postgrad down Trinity. No parental or govt support. I nearly went bankrupt. Then after that I got rejected for about 150jobs. In October after much blood, sweat and tears I got a job, a good job. It pisses me off that there are tonnes of lazy feckers in Ireland, who don't even apply for jobs nor go into training.

Tonnes? Where do you get off with the unsupported bullsh!t generalisations? Did you sift through the unemployed, separating those seeking work from those who were not and weigh the latter or something?
Catch a grip of yourself.

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

You know nothing about our friend.

I know that if you held a party to humiliate him, you're not his friend.

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

We've tried to encourage all the time, sending him links to jobs, encouraging him to apply.
Those avenues have failed.
His parents don't care about his employment situation. He's very fortunate that he has educated friends there to motivate him.

With friends like you, who needs enemies?

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

For some a bit of public embarasment may cause him to get off his backside.

To quote a gobsh!te I read online recently, who are you to judge?

tails_naf

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Tonnes? Where do you get off with the unsupported bullsh!t generalisations? Did you sift through the unemployed, separating those seeking work from those who were not and weigh the latter or something?
Catch a grip of yourself.

Look, we all know that when we had full employment, there were still those on the dole that 'wouldn't work'. I know the situation is somewhat different now, and there are hard-working people who CANT get jobs, but there are still many who WONT get jobs, or try. In fact, there were people interviewed on primetime (a year ago), young people in their 20's, who were saying they were recently laid off, but not seriously searching for a job, because the were 'getting on grand' and 'in no rush' to find work.

Recently laid off means you were recently working, contributing, and paying PRSI. long term unemployed means you have no interest in working (again circumstances are special now, but you can't argue that up to 2008 there was an excuse for long term unemoloyed)

1) The dole should decrease over time.
2) Long term unemployed should have to contribute to the local community for their dole (win-win really)

also, please stop getting caught up in minutiae because a poster uses 'Tonnes' instead of 'many' and making a frantic point about it just derails a decent discussion

I've no problem paying in to PRSI if it supports people who really want to work and contribute. It sickens me though when I see the lads who aren't bothered, who feel entitled to take take take while the other 'mugs' go out and work. And there are TONNES of them - 20 men = 1 metric ton, and I know more than 20 myself who wouldn't work to warm themselves

Cavehill Red

tails_naf wrote: »

1) The dole should decrease over time.

I was the first in this thread to propose this.

tails_naf wrote: »

2) Long term unemployed should have to contribute to the local community for their dole (win-win really)

This is not far from slave labour, in my opinion. Forced labour is not the answer. The answer is to create jobs for people.

Manic Moran

I've been on unemployment here in California twice, I really like the way it works here.

When you start a claim, (and it has to be that you're unemployed for reasons not of your own doing), you are given a notification basically saying "Your unemployment account balance is $13,000, you will receive $450 a week". Basically, it gives you about six months. You are very well motivated to get a job of some sort, even if not a permanent one.

If you want the unemployment benefit to last a little longer, you can take part-time work. The wages that you earn are deducted from your payment, so if I find a job two days a week for two hours a day at $10 an hour, my payments become $410, and my benefits get extended by a little over two weeks as it takes longer for my balance to get to '0'. Obviously such a short job is insufficient to live on, but it means that you get more time to find something more permanent.

NTM

SparKing

Cavehill Red wrote: »

This is not far from slave labour, in my opinion. Forced labour is not the answer. The answer is to create jobs for people.

What about the people who wouldn't work when employers were crying out for people to work, so much so that when we had a total workforce of about 1.85 million in 2005, we manage to accomodate about 100,000 people from Poland, Lithuania and Latvia (2006 census - maybe not all of working age though), when our unemployment rate was 4.5%. There was a job for everyone who wanted to work.
These people think anyone who works for minimum wage is an eejit, when they themselves are getting €185, plus any other benefits they may be entitled to, to do NOTHING.
What about all the people who work all week and after they've paid their Mortgage(to the bank), taxes(to help support the banks) food and utility bills have literally nothing left, they might as well be slaves to the banks/government.
I have to pay a Universal Social Charge, let them earn their benefits, I don't see how being born somewhere entitles someone to free accomodation and spending money for the rest of their lives if they choose it!

Eric Cartman

your mates lucky im not in power, id have him shot, f*ckin scrounger

Wompa1

SparKing wrote: »

I have to pay a Universal Social Charge, let them earn their benefits, I don't see how being born somewhere entitles someone to free accomodation and spending money for the rest of their lives if they choose it!

Let the bears pay the bear tax, I pay the Homer Tax!

I hear ya though, I was on a website right after the budget was announced that had a calculator to calculate how much extra you'd pay....I am paying way more than I thought I was going from that website...I'm really pissed off, I turned down a job in London on better money than this thinking it would balance itself out price of living wise because of travel expenses there......I'm floored by this. We are becomming some sh!t hole socialist paradise for f'kin parasites to live. And not everyone is obviously but damn it I can be made all I want!!!

geeky

Manic Moran wrote: »

I've been on unemployment here in California twice, I really like the way it works here.

When you start a claim, (and it has to be that you're unemployed for reasons not of your own doing), you are given a notification basically saying "Your unemployment account balance is $13,000, you will receive $450 a week". Basically, it gives you about six months. You are very well motivated to get a job of some sort, even if not a permanent one.

If you want the unemployment benefit to last a little longer, you can take part-time work. The wages that you earn are deducted from your payment, so if I find a job two days a week for two hours a day at $10 an hour, my payments become $410, and my benefits get extended by a little over two weeks as it takes longer for my balance to get to '0'. Obviously such a short job is insufficient to live on, but it means that you get more time to find something more permanent.

NTM

What happens after that? Homelessness?!

macquarie

geeky wrote: »

What happens after that? Homelessness?!

No, what happens during that is people start genuinely caring about their education and career opportunities.

geeky

macquarie wrote: »

No, what happens during that is people start genuinely caring about their education and career opportunities.

I was actually asking a genuine question, not posting an invitation for randommers to weigh in. Do you know what happens if someone runs out of the money in their account?

tails_naf

Cavehill Red wrote: »

This is not far from slave labour, in my opinion. Forced labour is not the answer. The answer is to create jobs for people.

Nothing forced about it - as your dole has been decreasing over time, if you want to supplement your dole/maintain it, then you have to do SOME work for it.
You are always free to not do the work, and not get anything.


By your logic I could say I'm 'forced' to go to work to earn what I do, because if I don't, I won't get enough to survive (to my current standard of living) - same for a person on the dole - do some work, or take a cut.

Part of the problem with the dole is it doesn't encourage someone to go look for a job, as the OP very clearly pointed out. I'm sure if the OP's mate was out a couple days a week doing whatever the community needed, then he may think twice if he wants to go for an office job, or something that suits him better. Those thoughts won't cross his mind if he's sitting at home watching the telly.

macquarie

geeky wrote: »

I was actually asking a genuine question, not posting an invitation for randommers to weigh in. Do you know what happens if someone runs out of the money in their account?

If that was really the question you were asking, you wouldn't have asked it with such flippant statements like "homelessness". Obviously if a person has a set time/money limit they will be a lot more prepared for the possibility of running out and have alternative arrangements made regarding accomodation.

Anyway there's an emergency fund after their initial time/money limit is expired, and they also have subsidized housing and a federal grant program.

Spunge

macquarie wrote: »

If that was really the question you were asking, you wouldn't have asked it with such flippant statements like "homelessness". Obviously if a person has a set time/money limit they will be a lot more prepared for the possibility of running out and have alternative arrangements made regarding accomodation.

Anyway there's an emergency fund after their initial time/money limit is expired, and they also have subsidized housing and a federal grant program.

Still doesnt answer the question

geeky

macquarie wrote: »

If that was really the question you were asking, you wouldn't have asked it with such flippant statements like "homelessness". Obviously if a person has a set time/money limit they will be a lot more prepared for the possibility of running out and have alternative arrangements made regarding accomodation.

Anyway there's an emergency fund after their initial time/money limit is expired, and they also have subsidized housing and a federal grant program.

Excuse me, I didn't realise that - in yet another thread where people are happily blasting the long-term unemployed - to suggest someone with no job and no welfare after a certain period (as seemed to be the case from the original post) might become homeless was "flippant". You're also assuming that everyone who's out of work has a certain support structure to make "alternative arrangements" to get a roof over their heads for free. Not everyone does.

Interested to hear how the emergency fund works if anyone has any actual first-hand experience.

nickobrien1985

Im thinking of getting on to the Social Welfare office to complain about my friend Kev. Its the only way he'll learn

Timothy Bryce

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

Im thinking of getting on to the Social Welfare office to complain about my friend Kev. Its the only way he'll learn

every time he collects his dole, shoe him in the crotch and steal his monies. he'll learn quicker this way.

nickobrien1985

do girls find unemployment attractive?

giant_midget

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

A friend of mine - Kevin is celebrating his 1000th day on the dole today, he's been 2.5yrs+ out of work.
In that time he has lived at home, (he's 28), and has applied for in total about 10jobs.
He has even admitted that if the dole were lower he might actually work harder to find a job.
He was never bother to go into training either.

Do we have a massive problem with our social welfare system if this is the case?

How bout the govt. offer €500 to someone who finds a job after being on the dole for less than 6mths?

Does my mate have any hope in building a future career at all?

your "mate" is a looser...he is what is wrong with this country right now.

nickobrien1985

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Chaotic_Forces

Kevin wouldn't be known as "Kevo" and engages in the delightful task of throwing rocks at people would he? More than likely stays up outside his house till 3am drinking cans?

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

do girls find unemployment attractive?

You'd actually be surprised TBH. Most of the inner city ones do. Or at least like that fact that they can get drink and a chinese take-away.

deisedave

nickobrien1985 wrote: »

do girls find unemployment attractive?

Scarily enough alot of a certain type of girls, Want a guy who will spit out kids with her and help get free council housing and as many benefits as possible, But I dont think its as common as people think.

Chaotic_Forces

deisedave wrote: »

Scarily enough alot of a certain type of girls, Want a guy who will spit out kids with her and help get free council housing and as many benefits as possible, But I dont think its as common as people think.

Very common in the inner city. Though, it's not really about getting as many kids as possible. It's moreso about lots of unprotected sex, find some idiot who hopes he's the father and settle down.
I don't think I've met any girls whose desire it is to get pregnant for the sole purpose of geting a free house and more money; I've met plenty who've said "I'M PREGNANT LIKE!" "AH THAT'S GRAND YOU CAN GET YOUR HOUSE NOW SURE!".

deisedave

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Very common in the inner city. Though, it's not really about getting as many kids as possible. It's moreso about lots of unprotected sex, find some idiot who hopes he's the father and settle down.
I don't think I've met any girls whose desire it is to get pregnant for the sole purpose of geting a free house and more money; I've met plenty who've said "I'M PREGNANT LIKE!" "AH THAT'S GRAND YOU CAN GET YOUR HOUSE NOW SURE!".

I aint from Dublin so wouldnt have much experience with the Inner City, Im from Waterford and alot of girls down here are exactly like that. But its not just Ireland they have the same attitude in the U.K. as well.

Chaotic_Forces

deisedave wrote: »

I aint from Dublin so wouldnt have much experience with the Inner City, Im from Waterford and alot of girls down here are exactly like that. But its not just Ireland they have the same attitude in the U.K. as well.

Ah but what the U.K. does, we have to follow in route. I might go down to Waterford so and pick up a bird and a free house.

deisedave

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Ah but what the U.K. does, we have to follow in route. I might go down to Waterford so and pick up a bird and a free house.

a bird, a house and an std.:D:D

Chaotic_Forces

deisedave wrote: »

a bird, a house and an std.:D:D

You can just click "edit" and delete the other post.

An STD? Just one?! Do I have to pay for a curry and a six pack to get the other 12?