Gerry Adams? Are things that bad?

10green bottles

The Labour party,by Putting Mary Moran on the ticket in North Louth have carried out a cynical exercise.
Ged Nash is unknown in the north county so Labour are now trying to push a "Dundalk" Candidate with no known political or local knowledge onto the people of the constituency to try to hoover up support for their South Louth "Darling"
**note to Labour,it wont feckin' work" **
:pac:

calex71

10green bottles wrote: »

The Labour party,by Putting Mary Moran on the ticket in North Louth have carried out a cynical exercise.
Ged Nash is unknown in the north county so Labour are now trying to push a "Dundalk" Candidate with no known political or local knowledge onto the people of the constituency to try to hoover up support for their South Louth "Darling"
**note to Labour,it wont feckin' work" **
:pac:

Is he actually going as "Ged" on the posters etc

If so, yeah I'll vote for him cuz he has street cred and is over 40 and still uses a nick name :cool:

10green bottles

calex71 wrote: »

Is he actually going as "Ged" on the posters etc

If so, yeah I'll vote for him cuz he has street cred and is over 40 and still uses a nick name :cool:

Dont forget Biggins(sp)
If thats the way to get people to vote for Adams then it's "Gea says yay":pac:

southlouth type

calex71 wrote: »

Is he actually going as "Ged" on the posters etc

If so, yeah I'll vote for him cuz he has street cred and is over 40 and still uses a nick name :cool:

Its gerald actually and hes no where near 40 just yet . Id say ged nash is about 35 . Im 37 and im positive hes a few years younger than me . He just looks like and old git

calex71

southlouth type wrote: »

Its gerald actually and hes no where near 40 just yet . Id say ged nash is about 35 . Im 37 and im positive hes a few years younger than me . He just looks like and old git

Lol

Lord TSC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Im a socialist.

AH! Awesome. There's a question I was hoping you'd answer...

A few months back, I was having a debate with a socialist on another section of this site. We were arguing back and forth about the pros and cons about socialism when he blurted out that if socialists got into power, they would abolish the police force. When I tried to pull him up on this statement and question him about how society would continue without a police force, he made one or two snarky remarks before ignoring me completly.

So I have to ask, since I have found another one; is this true? Does socialism really aim to abolish a working police force in the state?

3ndahalfof6

Bosh wrote: »

First of all, try using the 'enter' key after one or two sentences, it might then be possible to make some sense of this incoherent rambling.

You obviously think Adams can do no wrong and that Fitzpatrick is unsuitable.

At least Fitzpatrick, of whom I know very little, is from Louth whereas Adams has as much connection with this county as the Pope.

He has so far shown me nothing that would in any way encourage me to vote for him, his party has no meaningful policy on any of the current issues facing the country.

They are simply trading on the Republican sentiment and the disaffection with the main political parties.

Do you think this about all the SF candidates, I agree Gerry may not be the best person to send to give elocution lessons, he is a figure head for the party and this may be looked at more closely after the election,

He will be in opposition so does it really matter unless he is a great shouter.

3ndahalfof6

phantom_lord wrote: »

You forgot to mention the bit where they plan to regenerate the economy by doubling capital gains, taxing productive members of society out of the country, introducing a capital tax and increasing dirt tax.

Anyone seriously considering voting for such an economically incompetent party in these times, or indeed any time, needs their head examined.

Maybe there is the problem, no heads were examined before the last election.

amacachi

Any sign of him canvassing yet?

phantom_lord

Not that I've heard of. Saw one of his posters for the first time the other day and felt genuinely ill.

Wolfe Tone

phantom_lord wrote: »

Not that I've heard of. Saw one of his posters for the first time the other day and felt genuinely ill.

How pathetic.



Yeah he has been, at leasts he says so on his facebook page.

amacachi

phantom_lord wrote: »

Not that I've heard of. Saw one of his posters for the first time the other day and felt genuinely ill.

Dundalk is disgusting with the amount of posters around. Shouldn't be allowed

phantom_lord

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How pathetic.



Yeah he has been, at leasts he says so on his facebook page.

Has he figured out what part of Ireland makes up the constituency yet?

I think it's pretty pathetic and embarrassing that's there enough die hard republicans around to allow him to waltz into a seat and represent this area, each to his own I guess.

Wolfe Tone

phantom_lord wrote: »

Has he figured out what part of Ireland makes up the constituency yet?

I think it's pretty pathetic and embarrassing that's there enough die hard republicans around to allow him to waltz into a seat and represent this area, each to his own I guess.

"Die hard republicans" wouldn't vote for Adams.

hawk222

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

AH! Awesome. There's a question I was hoping you'd answer...

A few months back, I was having a debate with a socialist on another section of this site. We were arguing back and forth about the pros and cons about socialism when he blurted out that if socialists got into power, they would abolish the police force. When I tried to pull him up on this statement and question him about how society would continue without a police force, he made one or two snarky remarks before ignoring me completly.

So I have to ask, since I have found another one; is this true? Does socialism really aim to abolish a working police force in the state?

my god our you for real

Scotty #

amacachi wrote: »

Any sign of him canvassing yet?

Adams? Sure wouldn't that mean he'd actually have to come to Louth? Sure what would he do that for?

The people of Louth need their heads examined if they elect someone who has so little to do with the constituency.

He's just been on Newstalk again now talking about capping ALL public service wages at €100K, like it would be a good thing! It's comical!

danbohan

Scotty # wrote: »

Adams? Sure wouldn't that mean he'd actually have to come to Louth? Sure what would he do that for?

The people of Louth need their heads examined if they elect someone who has so little to do with the constituency.

He's just been on Newstalk again now talking about capping ALL public service wages at €100K, like it would be a good thing! It's comical!

capping ALL public service wages at €100K,

you mean paying our doctors etc the same as the germans and french do is very very wrong is it ?

Scotty #

If it means getting 2nd rate doctors then YES! It's very very wrong.

What about the Hospital GM's that can earn 5x 6x that... what kind do you think you are going to get for €100K??

Advertise for a new CSO of Bord Gais at €100K and see what kind or response you get. Do you think you will get the best man (or woman) for the job..? Or the best one for the job AND will work for pittance (compared to what CEO's in similar sized companies get)?

These jobs need the most competent, educated, and experienced person available. Not someone who was willing to work for €100K.

Public sector pay should be in line with Private sector pay.

The idea of capping the top Guards, Fire Chiefs, Judges, Teachers, Professors, Doctors, Civil Servants, and yes...even Ministers, salaries at €100K is ludicrous! And only someone who hasn't a clue what they are talking about could come up with the idea!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

danbohan wrote: »

capping ALL public service wages at €100K,

you mean paying our doctors etc the same as the germans and french do is very very wrong is it ?

He was specifically not referring to the Health Service. He was actually referring to the salaries of the CEOs of State Bodies being capped at €100k; which is total nonsense and shows how removed from reality the man it. Some state bodies have turnovers of several hundred million per annum. They manage assets valued at 7 or 8 Billion in some cases and employ thousands of people. Any CEO of a company that size in the private sector would be on multiples of the current salaries. Up to 5 layers down in these companies can earn in excess €100k, so how could you restrict the CEO to €100k? On top of all this paying peanuts...

Gerry Adams has proven time and again that he does not have any idea of what goes on in the real world, or how business or economics work. But I suppose he thinks (and maybe is correct to a degree) he is playing to the audience.

danbohan

Scotty # wrote: »

If it means getting 2nd rate doctors then YES! It's very very wrong.

What about the Hospital GM's that can earn 5x 6x that... what kind do you think you are going to get for €100K??

Advertise for a new CSO of Bord Gais at €100K and see what kind or response you get. Do you think you will get the best man (or woman) for the job..? Or the best one for the job AND will work for pittance (compared to what CEO's in similar sized companies get)?

These jobs need the most competent, educated, and experienced person available. Not someone who was willing to work for €100K.

Public sector pay should be in line with Private sector pay.

The idea of capping the top Guards, Fire Chiefs, Judges, Teachers, Professors, Doctors, Civil Servants, and yes...even Ministers, salaries at €100K is ludicrous! And only someone who hasn't a clue what they are talking about could come up with the idea!

its pretty obvious you have no experience of the French and German health system then , ours is second rate theirs is not . our public service are inefficient and grossly overpaid in many cases

whats ludicrous is that people in a bankrupt country believe that our top public servants should be paid 2 x 3 times the salary of top public servants in country's that are bailing us out
now that is somebody that does not know what they are talking about !

monaghaned

Gerry's point on the gombeens on the right giving away our wealth of natural resourses was excellent wasent enda kennys hero michael collins an mp for armagh back in the day:D

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

danbohan wrote: »

its pretty obvious you have no experience of the French and German health system then , ours is second rate theirs is not . our public service are inefficient and grossly overpaid in many cases

whats ludicrous is that people in a bankrupt country believe that our top public servants should be paid 2 x 3 times the salary of top public servants in country's that are bailing us out
now that is somebody that does not know what they are talking about !

Again, the statement by Mr Adams was not related to the Health Service.

How familiar are you with the French System? I lived there for 12 months from 2007 to 2008
The French social security system (l'assurance maladie, or the Sécu)
only reimburses a percentage of charges. Your contributions towards it from your wages are huge. I paid more for myself there than I do for top Private Health Insurance for my family of 4 here.
Since then Social security health contributions have been increased, as have fees for medical consultations, whilst reimbursement levels have been reduced.

The State controlled health insurance social security system operates in conjunction with a separate voluntary health insurance system called assurance complémentaire, provided through mutual organisations and private insurers.
Yes, the treatment is very good but don't use France as an example of a cost efficient system.

Just Emailed my friend who has lived in Germany for 24 years and he confirms "In 2010, the government subsidized the German statutory health insurance with 15.7 billion euro thereby lowering the contribution rate for the insured by 1.6 percentage points to 14.9 percent regardless of their household income. "
Care to pay 15% of your income to pay for the health system in addition to the exchequer making payments?

Get the facts.

Anyway sorry for drifting off topic as all that has nothing to do with the €100k cap.

The CEO of ESB earns €750k pa no stock options. His counterpart is France (per forbes) got:

Compensation for 2009
Salary €892,077.00
Bonus €519,188.00
Restricted stock awards €0.00
All other compensation €98,212.00
Option awards $ €0.00
Non-equity incentive plan compensation €0.00
Change in pension value and nonqualified deferred compensation earnings €0.00
Total Compensation €1,509,477.00

Again, get the facts.

Wolfe Tone

monaghaned wrote: »

Gerry's point on the gombeens on the right giving away our wealth of natural resourses was excellent wasent enda kennys hero michael collins an mp for armagh back in the day:D

Funnily enough I believe Gerry to be the modern version of Collins, except he prevented a huge split.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

monaghaned wrote: »

wasent enda kennys hero michael collins an mp for armagh back in the day:D

Jeez where do people get their facts?

Michael Collins was elected MP for South Cork in 1918.

Scotty #

danbohan wrote: »

whats ludicrous is that people in a bankrupt country believe that our top public servants should be paid 2 x 3 times the salary of top public servants in country's that are bailing us out
now that is somebody that does not know what they are talking about !

I was going to ask you for examples but Srameen has given a good one I think.

If Sinn Fein supporters are happy to live in a society were THEY KNOW our top servants are in their jobs not because they were the best but because they were willing to work for (comparatively) low wages then good luck to them but where are you going to find a high court judge willing to work for €100K when they could be a barrister earning €250K+ in the private sector, a financial regulator who could be on €400K+ in the private sector, a manager for our airports, our emergency services, and so on and so on.....

It's not necessarily the idea of capping that's the problem. It's the €100K that's so ludicrous. I have a few friends that would earn €100K+ a year. I certainly would not be recommending any of them as Minster for Justice, Health, or Finance!!

Wolfe Tone

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the people at the the top are probably Berties mates and are there because of that, not experience or qualifications

Scotty #

lol.. probably true to a certain extent.

It doesn't change the fact though... €100K is pittance for some of the jobs we're talking about.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Care to put names to that, Tony? You just made a bland statement with no evidence of any truth connected with it at all. I'll keep my powder dry on this until you cite some examples, as I have plenty of detail on both the experience & qualifications of several State Body CEOs and even political allegiance for some.

Come on. Justify that almost libellous statment. Or is this more Sinn Fein negativity with no substance or alterantives to back it up.

Wolfe Tone

Baylee Few Tigress wrote: »

Care to put names to that, Tony? You just made a bland statement with no evidence of any truth connected with it at all. I'll keep my powder dry on this until you cite some examples, as I have plenty of detail on both the experience & qualifications of several State Body CEOs and even political allegiance for some.

Come on. Justify that almost libellous statment. Or is this more Sinn Fein negativity with no substance or alterantives to back it up.

I must have imagined that state boards and the like have been packed with FFs mates, you know the whole croneyism thing. Just like you imagined that in Irish law there is such a thing as a libelous statement.

Im in no way connected to SF, so my statements are my own.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I must have imagined that state boards and the like have been packed with FFs mates, you know the whole croneyism thing. Just like you imagined that in Irish law there is such a thing as a libelous statement.

Im in no way connected to SF, so my statements are my own.

We'll not go into Irish Defamation Laws but just to point out that the term libelous does not pertain solely to a legal context. It is any published statement against a person's character, be it punishable under law or not..

Next, several CEOs were not appointed during Bertie's tenure. Moany appoint in that era have known FG connections as it happens. Others would appear to have no polital links at all.

Just because you imagine something does not make it true. Let's stick to truths, as your imaginings scare me.