Andy Gray & Richard Keys in hot "sexist" water .

jaykay74

Originally Posted by eagle eye
Darky isn't racist in my book.

You must be reading the wrong books then.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/darky

Noun 1. darky - (ethnic slur) offensive term for Black people
darkey, darkie
derogation, disparagement, depreciation - a communication that belittles somebody or something
ethnic slur - a slur on someone's race or language

joey54

Haven't had time to read the whole thread so apologies if I'm repeating what has already been said.

Never really liked Andy Gray personally.

The person I feel sorry for the most is Sian Massey. Because of Gray and his buddies she's now had to put her professional refereeing career on hold. Not fair in my books, I hope for her sake it all comes to a close soon so she can get back on with her job.

I say welldone to her, not easy taking a step into such a male dominated world, especially when you have idiots such as Gray and Keys just waiting to pass comments and have a laugh about it.

lordgoat

K-9 wrote: »

Hardly a ringing endorsement:

'There's been a culture of bullying and sexism at Sky for a long time' | Matt Scott | Football | The Guardian

Cracking article. Well investigated, reported and written. Also it speaks volumes they were able to speak to 3 people so quickly about this. i.e all three were more than happy to give their say.

K-9

lordgoat wrote: »

Cracking article. Well investigated, reported and written. Also it speaks volumes they were able to speak to 3 people so quickly about this. i.e all three were more than happy to give their say.

Hints that it just isn't sexism behind all of it either.

Sagat06

TRIAL BY INTERNETZ

First off I dont like Andy Gray, I think he's pompous, arrogant and yes probably sexist. But getting sacked for this whole episode is beyond stupid. I just watched the clip with Charlotte Jackson, he laughed she laughed and no complaint was made. Now if she didnt find it offensive and it was completely directed at her, what right could there be to react to it. Professional capacity my a**e.

I make sexist jokes in work but the people in there know me, the know my sense of humour and they are not offended, instead I get punched in the arm back or head. But if it was uploaded on the internetz I would probably get the sack - the world is gone made PC brigade to your stations!!

everdead.ie

Sagat06 wrote: »

TRIAL BY INTERNETZ

First off I dont like Andy Gray, I think he's pompous, arrogant and yes probably sexist. But getting sacked for this whole episode is beyond stupid. I just watched the clip with Charlotte Jackson, he laughed she laughed and no complaint was made. Now if she didnt find it offensive and it was completely directed at her, what right could there be to react to it. Professional capacity my a**e.

I make sexist jokes in work but the people in there know me, the know my sense of humour and they are not offended, instead I get punched in the arm back or head. But if it was uploaded on the internetz I would probably get the sack - the world is gone made PC brigade to your stations!!

Sky news reported that she wasn't happy with the incident although they didn't mention if she made a complaint. I think they were dead right to sack him

Pro. F

PC brigade my fùcking hole.

That article from the Guardian makes it easy to understand what's going on. Gray is a sexist bully and has been pissing people off at Sky for years. Somebody did the sensible thing and got together a body of evidence to make sure that he was sacked. Good ridance.

@ Eagle Eye: call a person with dark skin darkie and they will get offended 99 times out of 100. That makes it an offensive term. Why on earth do you need to refer to people by their skin colour anyway?

K-9

The pc brigade sometimes go mad but it's an easy label to throw out like Keyes "the world's gone mad" claim. No it hasn't, it has just moved on from 1992:

Sky right to red-card Gray « Ian James Parsley

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I think its correct that he was fired.

You could see that the Woman preester in the studio that he asked to help him with his trouser issue was not impressed and in my opinion looked like she had been subjected to it before.

From reading various articles it seems that the two of them are not liked by basically anyone on the crew.

Cant see keys staying either.

Excellent article in the Guardian today with contributions from various Sky Sports female presenters.

Iago

I'm closing this for a number of reasons.

Firstly while it's related to Soccer in that the people in question are involved in the media side of the game, the reality is that this is a bigger issue/discussion than can be contained in the Soccer forum.

Secondly, and leading on from the above, we have strayed far away from content relating to Soccer and into the rights and wrongs of emploment law, banter in the workplace, private v public conversations, definitions of offensive terms and the equality of race, gender and double standards. There have even been clips of loose women for the love of god!

Thirdly, and people should remember this, we have only seen what Sky want us to see. The perspective and context that they want to release to the public. We don't know the thinking behind any of the players, we don't know the history, we don't know whether this was something that was reciprocated or encouraged. In short, we don't have enough information to make any kind of a reasonable judgement call as to the rights and wrongs.

A subject that is this broad is better suited to Humanities for high brow conversation, and After Hours for sexist jokes and funny videos. It has gone past the remit of the soccer forum at this point.