Andy Gray & Richard Keys in hot "sexist" water .

Bodhisopha

It's a bit much to fire them over this alone but how many times does Richard Keyes have to do this before he's demoted? That's his third time by my count.

Jayob10

Bodhisopha wrote: »

It's a bit much to fire them over this alone but how many times does Richard Keyes have to do this before he's demoted? That's his third time by my count.

They are probably worried about losing him to another station if hes demoted.

Way prefer to see Jeff Stelling do the live games to be honest, but that would probably mean the end of him on Soccer Saturday and we don't want that

Bodhisopha

Jayob10 wrote: »

They are probably worried about losing him to another station if hes demoted.

Way prefer to see Jeff Stelling do the live games to be honest, but that would probably mean the end of him on Soccer Saturday and we don't want that

I don't know where he could possibly go. Linekar and Chiles aren't going to be pushed aside for that piece of shiit.

dfx-

5starpool wrote: »

Please moral outrage brigade, do a top class job this once, please.

We all dislike Keys and Gray like any other rational boy or girl, but if it was Dunphy and Biiiiiiillllllll...I would fancy there would be a lot less indignation.

Not that there should be, of course.

101001

argosy2006 wrote: »

She flagged for offside in match yesterday, and no one could understand why, the commentators said nothing lol, just silence,
anyone remember that?
But she got the key decisions correct !

I remember it. It was never disucussed at all. It was an interchange between maxi and torres, no-one offside. I thought it was very unusual indeed. It really shouldve been brought up they even replayed it and all but no comment

ctrl-alt-delete

argosy2006 wrote: »

She flagged for offside in match yesterday, and no one could understand why, the commentators said nothing lol, just silence,
anyone remember that?
But she got the key decisions correct !

Yeah remember it well, couldn't understand it at all myself,

The amount of praise she is getting for getting one decision right is a bit insulting to be honest, it wasn't even a tight call to be honest,

Anyways fair play to her for having the balls......well having the whatever to get out there and do it, delighted for her that she has reached the top stage.

SlickRic

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

The amount of praise she is getting for getting one decision right is a bit insulting to be honest, it wasn't even a tight call to be honest.

she's getting praise as a reaction to Keys and Gray's ridiculous punditry, where they're sexist towards her, in reaction to a decision she got spot on.

she wouldn't be getting this much praise otherwise.

and just to point out, at that speed, it was a very, very tight call. Meireles was level when the ball was played, and he was running forward at speed with Zubar trying to step up.

if assistant referees get dumped on for bad calls, it's only right they get credit for good ones.

ctrl-alt-delete

SlickRic wrote: »

she's getting praise as a reaction to Keys and Gray's ridiculous punditry, where they're sexist towards her, in reaction to a decision she got spot on.

she wouldn't be getting this much praise otherwise.

and just to point out, at that speed, it was a very, very tight call. Meireles was level when the ball was played, and he was running forward at speed with Zubar trying to step up.

if assistant referees get dumped on for bad calls, it's only right they get credit for good ones.

When did this leaked audio clip take place? I was under the impression it was before the game, so didn't think they were talking about her in relation to that decision.

I didn't think it was that tight at the time, i'll admit I haven't looked back on it, but regardless of the decision a linesperson is going to make they have a 50/50 chance of getting it right anyways :pac:

MrStuffins

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I didn't think it was that tight at the time, i'll admit I haven't looked back on it, but regardless of the decision a linesperson is going to make they have a 50/50 chance of getting it right anyways :pac:

NOOOO!!!!!!

Stop that!

ctrl-alt-delete

MrStuffins wrote: »

NOOOO!!!!!!

Stop that!

I don't want to be banned lol

copacetic

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

it wasn't even a tight call to be honest,

it was a very tight and difficult call, everyone moving out shouting with hands up as forward runs through and the forward closest to her and defender on far side. 7 or 8 times out of 10 linesmen play it safe and give them offside when they aren't...

MrStuffins

copacetic wrote: »

it was a very tight and difficult call, everyone moving out shouting with hands up as forward runs through and the forward closest to her and defender on far side. 7 or 8 times out of 10 linesmen play it safe and give them offside when they aren't...

Maybe she didnt give it offside because she doesnt know what offside is.

Maybe Gray & Keys are right!

ctrl-alt-delete

copacetic wrote: »

it was a very tight and difficult call, everyone moving out shouting with hands up as forward runs through and the forward closest to her and defender on far side. 7 or 8 times out of 10 linesmen play it safe and give them offside when they aren't...

Yeah ok, I have said above i never looked back on it - i saw it maybe twice and didn't think it was that difficult - maybe it was,

Regardless of that, I still believe she is getting a bit too much praise for it, especially given the offside she did give that wasn't, and in relation to my initial post I am still under the impression the comments took place before that decision.

K-9

SlickRic wrote: »

she's getting praise as a reaction to Keys and Gray's ridiculous punditry, where they're sexist towards her, in reaction to a decision she got spot on.

she wouldn't be getting this much praise otherwise.

and just to point out, at that speed, it was a very, very tight call. Meireles was level when the ball was played, and he was running forward at speed with Zubar trying to step up.

if assistant referees get dumped on for bad calls, it's only right they get credit for good ones.

True. On the other side, there is some condescending "isn't she great" type stuff though, which is just as bad as Keys and Gray.

The fact that she's a linesman in the Premier League is remarkable as its a first, but that really is all there is to it, she should be judged the same as everybody else doing it.

noodler

We had a female ref (second time this season) in our UCFL game yesterday.

She wasn't bad.

Are Gray and Keyes referring to a specific decision? Cos obv the Torres one was correct.

noodler

Is the last word on today by the way?

Heheh

Leiva

SlickRic wrote: »

she's getting praise as a reaction to Keys and Gray's ridiculous punditry, where they're sexist towards her, in reaction to a decision she got spot on.

she wouldn't be getting this much praise otherwise.

and just to point out, at that speed, it was a very, very tight call. Meireles was level when the ball was played, and he was running forward at speed with Zubar trying to step up.

if assistant referees get dumped on for bad calls, it's only right they get credit for good ones.

Cheers Slick .

Leiva

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Yeah ok, I have said above i never looked back on it - i saw it maybe twice and didn't think it was that difficult - maybe it was,

Regardless of that, I still believe she is getting a bit too much praise for it, especially given the offside she did give that wasn't, and in relation to my initial post I am still under the impression the comments took place before that decision.

This thread is not about one offside decision .

The reason I mentioned that one decision was to put Gray & Keys ridiculous comments into context .

ctrl-alt-delete

mixednuts wrote: »

This thread is not about one offside decision .

The reason I mentioned that one decision was to put Gray & Keys ridiculous comments into context .

I am well aware of that.

I am entitled to my comments, which were in relation to the praise she was getting for that one decision, which in my opinion is a bit condescending towards the girl, I make this based on my understanding that Gray's and Key's comments were not made after that incident or specifically about that incident.

I would like to know the timing of the comments, as the original article says

both:

"...during a Premier League football match."

and


"were recorded making disparaging remarks about Sian Massey, 25, before Liverpool’s Premiership clash with Wolves yesterday"

Devil08

Wouldnt it be great it she was wearing a bikini while officiating..;):p:rolleyes::D

Helix

K-9 wrote: »

The fact that she's a linesman in the Premier League is remarkable as its a first

its not

shes not even the first one

MrStuffins

Helix wrote: »

its not

shes not even the first one

She's not the first one, but you can not say that female officials in the Premier League is still remarkable.

Take your PC hat off for a minute and come back to reality! They are very VERY rare. Don't try to pretend that when you saw her or you see a female official you didnt think "Oh, look at that, a female official"

Devil08

Hasnt been mentioned here yet but I heard reports of supporters chanting 'get yer t!ts out for the lads'. Dont know if it was home or away fans but its pretty low and I would have been mortified if I was at that game.

Helix

MrStuffins wrote: »

She's not the first one, but you can not say that female officials in the Premier League is still remarkable.

Take your PC hat off for a minute and come back to reality! They are very VERy rare. Don't try to pretend that when you saw her or you see a female official you didnt think "Oh, look at that, a female official"

theyre only rare coz, for the most part, women dont seem particularly arsed in getting into it. to be a linesman in the premier league you have to be a full ref at championship level, perhaps youd think that more remarkable?

honestly i dont think the fact that shes a woman i really worthy of remark. its a person doing a job men normally do yeah, but she's not the first and she wont be the last

who actually cares like? nothing pc about it, i absolutely hate the pc brigade if im being honest

Helix

Devil08 wrote: »

Hasnt been mentioned here yet but I heard reports of supporters chanting 'get yer t!ts out for the lads'. Dont know if it was home or away fans but its pretty low and I would have been mortified if I was at that game.

yeah i doubt shes ever heard that before in her years officiating in lower leagues like

MrStuffins

Helix wrote: »

theyre only rare coz, for the most part, women dont seem particularly arsed in getting into it. to be a linesman in the premier league you have to be a full ref at championship level, perhaps youd think that more remarkable?

honestly i dont think the fact that shes a woman i really worthy of remark. its a person doing a job men normally do yeah, but she's not the first and she wont be the last

who actually cares like? nothing pc about it, i absolutely hate the pc brigade if im being honest

The fact that it's rare is what makes it remarkable!

Devil08

Helix wrote: »

yeah i doubt shes ever heard that before in her years officiating in lower leagues like

Im sure she has yes. Doubt that makes it any easier for her though.

Helix

Devil08 wrote: »

Im sure she has yes. Doubt that makes it any easier for her though.

im sure she doesnt care

do you think she's a delicate little flower who'll wilt at the first bit of mickey taking she encounters? thats how shes managed to make it so far i assume?

Helix

MrStuffins wrote: »

The fact that it's rare is what makes it remarkable!

i think the most remarkable part of it is that people find it remarkable

MrStuffins

Helix wrote: »

i think the most remarkable part of it is that people find it remarkable

So answer me this, when you saw the female linesman yesterday, you didn't think any differently as if it had been a man?

You didn't think "Hmm... a female linesman, that's different"?

Of course you did! This is what remarkable is!

Helix

MrStuffins wrote: »

So answer me this, when you saw the female linesman yesterday, you didn't think any differently as if it had been a man?

You didn't think "Hmm... a female linesman, that's different"?

Of course you did! This is what remarkable is!

no i didnt

coz its nothing new

it wasnt even this girls first game in the premiership ffs

its SO remarkable that people didnt even pass comment on her previous games, and its SO remarkable that some didnt even realise she wasnt the first female linesman

ricero

that audio was taking during andy and richards daily anal sex with each other sessions

samboshy

Is there any actual recording of them saying it? It could be just a rumour. Someone has probably answered this already but I'm not bothered reading all the posts.

MrStuffins

Helix wrote: »

no i didnt

I don't believe you.

its SO remarkable that people didnt even pass comment on her previous games, and its SO remarkable that some didnt even realise she wasnt the first female linesman

I'm glad we agree.

Devil08

I remember there was a lady commentator on Match of the Day not too long ago. Sounded strange TBH. Just not used to it I suppose.

Helix

Devil08 wrote: »

I remember there was a lady commentator on Match of the Day not too long ago. Sounded strange TBH. Just not used to it I suppose.

she had a horrible voice that one

MrStuffins

Devil08 wrote: »

I remember there was a lady commentator on Match of the Day not too long ago. Sounded strange TBH. Just not used to it I suppose.

Yeah, I just couldn't listen to her. A terrible voice and her enthusiasm always seemed artificial!

Helix

MrStuffins wrote: »

I don't believe you.

yeah, coming onto forums and lying about my opinions is something i do all the time

if its so remarkable how come people are only noticing her now? and how come people didnt remember wendy toms?

MrStuffins

Helix wrote: »

yeah, coming onto forums and lying about my opinions is something i do all the time

if its so remarkable how come people are only noticing her now? and how come people didnt remember wendy toms?

We're remarking on it now. We're in a 10 page thread talking about her and talking about remarks made about her in the media.

It's remarkable dude!

K-9

Helix wrote: »

no i didnt

coz its nothing new

it wasnt even this girls first game in the premiership ffs

its SO remarkable that people didnt even pass comment on her previous games, and its SO remarkable that some didnt even realise she wasnt the first female linesman

True, I'd forgotten a match a couple of years back were MOTD focussed on it.

Still, Sky made a big deal about it. I can't see how it isn't remarkable though. Women on building sites was remarkable as first, when it was new and novel, now nobody bats an eyelid.

Helix

K-9 wrote: »

True, I'd forgotten a match a couple of years back were MOTD focussed on it.

Still, Sky made a big deal about it. I can't see how it isn't remarkable though. Women on building sites was remarkable as first, when it was new and novel, now nobody bats an eyelid.

but female officials isnt new and novel any more, thats my point

MrStuffins

Helix wrote: »

but female officials isnt new and novel any more, thats my point

It obviously is!

It's hardly the norm.

Yakult

Probably the reason why their arent more women involved in sports jobs.
Those two idiot commentators just show the immaturity that too many people have, god knows what would be said down on the ground..

Mister men

Sky Sports appeals to the kind of people who buy tabloid newspapers. What do people expect from the likes of their pundits?

DOC09UNAM

Mister men wrote: »

Sky Sports appeals to the kind of people who buy tabloid newspapers. What do people expect from the likes of their pundits?

Well here was me thinking Sky Sports appealed to those who liked sports.

You do realise there is more than Andy Gray and Richard Keys on Sky Sports don't you?

copacetic

Mister men wrote: »

Sky Sports appeals to the kind of people who buy tabloid newspapers. What do people expect from the likes of their pundits?

no it doesn't. Sky sports appeals to the 'kind of people' who want to watch the sports it carries.

jesus_thats_gre

Hopefully the two of them get done for this. I hate Gray but I ****ing dispise Keys!

Mikeyt086

Mister men wrote: »

Sky Sports appeals to the kind of people who buy tabloid newspapers. What do people expect from the likes of their pundits?

Hahahaha, are you talking down at people who like Sky Sports... In a Soccer forum???

That is hilarious.

Mister men

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Hahahaha, are you talking down at people who like Sky Sports... In a Soccer forum???

That is hilarious.

Your point being? You can dislike Sky Sports and love football you know. Also who's talking down?

Le King

I hate most of the punditry on Sky Sports. Stick most of the guys from the Guardian Pod on there and you have a good informative show.