Wicklow

westtip

gcgirl wrote: »

2 decent leftys

contradition in terms - there are no "good" lefties.

diddlybit

gcgirl wrote: »

We have 3 FGs that's enough for me need 2 decent leftys

Couldn't agree more. Do think if Labour hadn't have put three candidates in there would have been a chance of two seats, rather than spiltting the vote. (If you consider Labour left at all, but that's a whole other issue.)

the groutch

westtip wrote: »

The shinners need to be watched with those bundles - slipping into the duffle coats, they do like to nick the odd bundle of paper they just keep thinking Northern bank Northern bank Northern bank - watch them carefully they will be out defraud Donnelly of his place in the Dail.

and I assume you have some evidence to back up these slanderous accusations

Savage Tyrant

westtip wrote: »

This is looking good to keep the shinner out,what a result that would be - please tell me the fools who voted FF did not transfer to the shinners. donnelly needs to outdo Brady by 58 votes to keep him out - am I right? I think so. Either way there is going to be a total recount, this could go on for days! The shinners need to be watched with those bundles - slipping into the duffle coats, they do like to nick the odd bundle of paper they just keep thinking Northern bank Northern bank Northern bank - watch them carefully they will be out defraud Donnelly of his place in the Dail.

Is it Donnelly you want in, or just "the Shinner" (who also has a name) you want kept out?

gcgirl

diddlybit wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Do think if Labour hadn't have put three candidates in there would have been a chance of two seats, rather than spiltting the vote. (If you consider Labour left at all, but that's a whole other issue.)

Stupid decision 2 should have been ran

donfers

westtip wrote: »

This is looking good to keep the shinner out,what a result that would be - please tell me the fools who voted FF did not transfer to the shinners. donnelly needs to outdo Brady by 58 votes to keep him out - am I right? I think so. Either way there is going to be a total recount, this could go on for days! The shinners need to be watched with those bundles - slipping into the duffle coats, they do like to nick the odd bundle of paper they just keep thinking Northern bank Northern bank Northern bank - watch them carefully they will be out defraud Donnelly of his place in the Dail.

I'm no Sinn Fein supporter but you sound like a hardcore orangeman the way you are talking....Sinn Fein are now a democratic party who respect the democratic process...if anything they have been the victim of gerrymandering in the past in the North, so why don't you stop with the bitterness and paranoia and respect whatever result eventually comes our way

mgmt

donfers wrote: »

I'm no Sinn Fein supporter but you sound like a hardcore orangeman the way you are talking....Sinn Fein are now a democratic party who respect the democratic process...if anything they have been the victim of gerrymandering in the past in the North, so why don't you stop with the bitterness and paranoia and respect whatever result eventually comes our way

lol

westtip

the groutch wrote: »

and I assume you have some evidence to back up these slanderous accusations

The period of history from 1985 - 2000 just north of Gerrynomics new found home

westtip

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Is it Donnelly you want in, or just "the Shinner" (who also has a name) you want kept out?

Both

gcgirl

John Brady is a fine candidate he has done his ground work as a councillor, which I do think is important, I am going to be honest I have never voted SF before this election but he got my preference after the labour party

donfers

westtip wrote: »

contradition in terms - there are no "good" lefties.

Those posters of Maggie Thatcher that adorned your bedroom when you are a kid have clouded your judgement I'm afraid

diddlybit

Won't Doyle's surplus most likely go to Donnelly than Brady? Donnelly being a FG in an Independent's clothing and all that

My Bad. It's late and the intricities of the Irish voting system are too much for my frazzled brain. Please ignore above idiotic statement.

Recession Buster

I'll take a "lefty" any day ahead of 4 right wingers. Dont forget it was right wing "light touch regulation" that has caused this counties melt down.

gcgirl

Ruari Quinn is a fine man excellent speaker and possible one of the finest finance ministers we ever had in this state, and here's one to watch Dominic Hannigan

westtip

donfers wrote: »

Those posters of Maggie Thatcher that adorned your bedroom when you are a kid have clouded your judgement I'm afraid

Far from it I was out on the barricades against Thatcher - then one day I grew up and found out that left wing politics is a lot of cloud cuckoo land, however, I cannot see how labour can describe themselves as left wing - they are not. The simple facts are all the political parties are lapdogs to the greater force in todays society - the large multi-nationals, A left wing party would have said the irish level of corporation tax is unfair to working people, but they would not step up to the plate and be honest on that one.

Anyway any news from the count?

mgmt

RTE_Elections Current #wk votes stand at Brady 9037; Donnelly 8980; Ferris 10243; Fitzgerald 7004; Harris 10901; Timmins 10729. #ge11

ergo

looking at Dick Roche's transfers Brady got 140 and Donnelly 162, this could be tight, geography as well to be taken into account of course

donfers

westtip wrote: »

Far from it I was out on the barricades against Thatcher - then one day I grew up and found out that left wing politics is a lot of cloud cuckoo land.

often people become more conservative politically as they get older which may or may not conincide with the fact that they have attained wealth and property


however you are entitled to that opinion but that's another debate for another day,

d'Oracle

diddlybit wrote: »

Won't Doyle's surplus most likely go to Donnelly than Brady? Donnelly being a FG in an Independent's clothing and all that

Thats pretty unfair.
He has not given much in the way to suggest that.
And I'm sick of hearing it.

He stood on his own policies and while some of them may be compatible with FG its pretty ignorant to call him that.

gcgirl

The big deal breaker is social policy now I'm not talking social fecking welfare I'm talking simply equality somehow FG lost their reforming agenda of the 80's down the line and you have a very conservative party at the moment, that's why I back labour

diddlybit

d'Oracle wrote: »

Thats pretty unfair.
He has not given much in the way to suggest that.
And I'm sick of hearing it.

He stood on his own policies and while some of them may be compatible with FG its pretty ignorant to call him that.

No offence was intended. I'm a great admirer of the man and think he's a great change to Wicklow and national politics. Just teasing as painting him as a Fine Gaeler has been the general consenus so far. I think (and hope) he's much more than that.

gcgirl

d'Oracle wrote: »

Thats pretty unfair.
He has not given much in the way to suggest that.
And I'm sick of hearing it.

He stood on his own policies and while some of them may be compatible with FG its pretty ignorant to call him that.

His got FG legal team advising him jees even the dogs on the street knew his a blueshirt

westtip

donfers wrote: »

often people become more conservative politically as they get older which may or may not conincide with the fact that they have attained wealth and property


however you are entitled to that opinion but that's another debate for another day,

Indeed or have a children and a mortgage to pay.

westtip

gcgirl wrote: »

His got FG legal team advising him jees even the digs on the street knew his a blueshirt

Ah yes that often much quoted phrase a blueshirt - and pray where where you during the spanish civil war.

Any news yet. I might retire to bed - I just hope the butler has put in my hot water bottle.

steelcityblues

gcgirl wrote: »

His got FG legal team advising him jees even the dogs on the street knew his a blueshirt

He's too articulate and credible to be FG!

mgmt

Perhaps the FG votes aren't transferring to Donnolly.

RTE_Elections We’re told the RO in #wk decided Doyle’s 240 surplus votes would not affect outcome and decided not to distribute them. #wk #ge11
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck

murpho999

gcgirl wrote: »

His got FG legal team advising him jees even the dogs on the street knew his a blueshirt

mmmm......your lack of grammatical skill makes me doubt your political knowledge.

How do you know that FG's legal team are advising him and advising him on what?

d'Oracle

westtip wrote: »

Far from it I was out on the barricades against Thatcher - then one day I grew up and found out that left wing politics is a lot of cloud cuckoo land, however, I cannot see how labour can describe themselves as left wing - they are not. The simple facts are all the political parties are lapdogs to the greater force in todays society - the large multi-nationals, A left wing party would have said the irish level of corporation tax is unfair to working people, but they would not step up to the plate and be honest on that one.

Anyway any news from the count?

That is just a confused comment.
I think you are criticising a party for not being left when you aren't really sure what the Left actually is.

Its actually pretty common in post Boom Ireland.
Everyone got so caught up with having a few bob that everything left of George W Bush was practically branded communism.

Labour are a left party. Just because they are not militant marxists doesn't make the right wing. And the corporation tax is very fair to working people, there would be less jobs for the working people to work at if we didn't have a low corporation tax.

the groutch

think they're just finishing up in Laois-Offaly too (2 FG, 2 FF, 1 SF)

murpho999

So this now looks like FG for 1,2 & 3.

Then Ferris for 4th. Could come down to her surplus, if there is one, would her transfers go more to Brady or Donnelly, or maybe she'll be elected without reaching quote and just leave a straight fight for last seat!

donfers

mgmt wrote: »

Perhaps the FG votes aren't transferring to Donnolly.

good or bad news for donnelly that fitzgerald's transfers have been decisive (will have to be a swing of 300 in donnelly's favour or 200 in brady's)

krieture

murpho999 wrote: »

mmmm......your lack of grammatical skill makes me doubt your political knowledge.

How do you know that FG's legal team are advising him and advising him on what?

It was tweeted earlier on, so rumour basically.

gcgirl

murpho999 wrote: »

mmmm......your lack of grammatical skill makes me doubt your political knowledge.

How do you know that FG's legal team are advising him and advising him on what?

You try work with an iPhone in bed in the dark
I could do with a fag too

mgmt

d'Oracle wrote: »

That is just a confused comment.
I think you are criticising a party for not being left when you aren't really sure what the Left actually is.

Its actually pretty common in post Boom Ireland.
Everyone got so caught up with having a few bob that everything left of George W Bush was practically branded communism.

Labour are a left party. Just because they are not militant marxists doesn't make the right wing. And the corporation tax is very fair to working people, there would be less jobs for the working people to work at if we didn't have a low corporation tax.

No, Labour is a David Begg party.

d'Oracle

gcgirl wrote: »

His got FG legal team advising him jees even the dogs on the street knew his a blueshirt

Ah right, so one incident an hour and a half ago and the dogs in the street knew his political allegiance was compromised?

How do you know what they were saying?
Are you sure it was advice?
It was on twitter so it has to be true?
Did you see them talk to him?

Say we accept that they were advising him, maybe they were asked to as FG don't want SF in the Dail?
No?

Basically on balance of the arguement, on my side, we have his policies.
On your side we have a tweet pertaining to one incident and a HUGE jump to conclusions.

d'Oracle

mgmt wrote: »

No, Labour is a David Begg party.

Oh good lord......

Ron DMC

Galway West are continuing through the night. Disappointing if Wicklow finish.

Capt'n Midnight

murpho999 wrote: »

Sorry absolute rubbish, Irish discoveries of weaknesses in E-voting has led to other countries reviewing their systems.

off topic
http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/images/9/91/Es3b-en.pdf

This paper details how we installed new software in Nedap ES3B voting
computers. It details how anyone, when given brief access to the devices
at any time before the election, can gain complete and virtually
undetectable control over the election results. It also shows how radio
emanations from an unmodified ES3B can be received at several meters
distance and be used to tell who votes what.

ergo

Ron DMC wrote: »

Galway West are continuing through the night. Disappointing if Wicklow finish.

Returning officer for Wicklow said they'd keep going tonight until the bitter end

she might not have phrased it exactly that way....

westtip

d'Oracle wrote: »

That is just a confused comment.
I think you are criticising a party for not being left when you aren't really sure what the Left actually is.

Its actually pretty common in post Boom Ireland.
Everyone got so caught up with having a few bob that everything left of George W Bush was practically branded communism.

Labour are a left party. Just because they are not militant marxists doesn't make the right wing. And the corporation tax is very fair to working people, there would be less jobs for the working people to work at if we didn't have a low corporation tax.

I see your points - but too late at night to debate them. All the parties live in fear of the multinationals. If left wingers have the redistribution of wealth as a core value - then IMO they should actually see our corporation tax rate as too low, yes it does favour working people as it creates jobs, but it is not a "left wing policy" ideologically a low corporate tax rate comes from the right of centre politics. So if implemented or supported by a left wing party (ie Labour) then they are not a particularly left wing party ideologically. My issue with Shinners is their economic strategy is pure lunacy which is why I don't want to see them in the Dail. I do hope Donnelly pips the Shinner but the way transfers go you just never can tell.

murpho999

gcgirl wrote: »

You try work with an iPhone in bed in the dark
I could do with a fag too

....my iphone lights up perfectly in the dark as it light's up!

Re advice: If Donnelly spoke to FG's legal team during the count I don't see how that makes him a FG loyalist, just probably a general discussion on the procedures regarding the count as all the candidates are in the same boat!

skearon

Live count details at http://tinyurl.com/wicklowrecount

Staying here till the end

Sierra Oscar

murpho999 wrote: »

Re advice: If Donnelly spoke to FG's legal team during the count I don't see how that makes him a FG loyalist, just probably a general discussion on the procedures regarding the count as all the candidates are in the same boat!

Indeed, no point looking very deep into that at all. At each count the candidates teams usually assist each other with the tallying and the like.

d'Oracle

skearon wrote: »

Live count details at http://tinyurl.com/wicklowrecount

Staying here till the end

Thank you very much.

westtip

I hear dick Roche is wondering around Greystones Harbour looking at the wonderful work of Developers in the Tiger years - mumbling to himself where did it all go wrong, would someone please send for a doctor and straight jacket to collect him.

Night folks:D

gcgirl

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Indeed, no point looking very deep into that at all. At each count the candidates teams usually assist each other with the tallying and the like.

We shall see

Dannygirl

skearon wrote: »

Live count details at http://tinyurl.com/wicklowrecount

Staying here till the end

Thanks, it's really helpful.
Now can you just stick an extra thousand or so on the end of Donnelly there?

mgmt

Do you trust this tweet?

WICKLOW - Donnelly camp declaring victory. I understand about 250 votes between him and Brady #wk #ge11
less than a minute ago via web

http://twitter.com/NiallOCo

d'Oracle

The tweeters at the centre are calling it for Donnelly.....:D
I'm not sure how long I can listen to the drivel East coast FM are playing.

Dannygirl

mgmt wrote: »

Do you trust this tweet?



http://twitter.com/NiallOCo

Just saw that, not sure.