George St. Pierre vrs Anserson Silva

Mellor

And, not its not just rumour mill stuff..
Finally something concrete on this.

Dana did a Q&A and Fight for the Troops 2
His first, and only question was
"When Anderson silva wins his next fight, when are we going him and DSP get it now"

Dana's reply; "Well Silva has Belfort up next and GSP has to face Jake Shields after that in Toronto. So, if they both win, that'll be the next fight that we'll put on". :eek:
"GSP has he'll move to 185 and stay there"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkg3QJyTm64

Hail 2 Da Thief

Would be one hell of an interesting fight! As good as GSP's wrestling is I still think Anderson is just too big for GSP!

Mellor

GSP is a huge welterweight, he would have to cut weight to make middleweight at the minute.
Silva is prob an average size MW, I'm not sure but I don't think he walks around too far above 185.

Given the GSP would have a few months to prepare, he could easily addd the extra mass. I would be surprised if there was any significant size difference in the octagon.

This fight will be won on skill, not size

Hail 2 Da Thief

Mellor wrote: »

Silva is prob an average size MW, I'm not sure but I don't think he walks around too far above 185.

Anderson Silva:“A lot of people talk about moving up and down in weight,” he said. “For me, it is a little difficult to cut weight to make 185, but I walk around at 215 to 220 pounds, so for me to cut to 185, I do have to eat a little bit of a different diet, and do a little bit of a different type of cardio workout to get my weight down. For 205, I just eat differently, and I don’t have to cut as much weight. But both 185 and 205 work fine for me.”

http://urdirt.com/2009/07/29/ufc-101-anderson-silva-talks-about-weight-difference-with-forrest-griffin/

Fromvert

GSP is probably an average sized WW. I've heard him say he walks around 190ish.

Where as the likes of Alves, Johnson, Hardy all walk around 205+. Shields has to cut to get to 185 so he's at least 190+. I've even heard Davis say he walks around over 200lbs. He's moved to LW since.

That's just off the top of my head, there is obviously more.

Where as Silva is a big MW he has to cut 10+lbs to get to LHW and he never looked out of place sizing up to Irvin and Griffin. Griffin walks around at 230ish.

GSP has talked about taking up to a year out to make the jump up. Anderson is much the bigger man by 20lbs+.

Would love to see the fight but we're at least a year away from seeing it happen.

Mellor

Didn't relise silva cut so much, figured he was an average enough MW at about 200.

GSP isn't average, 20lbs is a big cut for a WW.
And I doubt that those guys cut 35 lbs. They might peak at those levels between fights, but not when training fully.

RE, GSP taking a year to move up. Exactly he'll have months to prepare (I would of guessed 9 months and adding on 20lbs or so. i'm just glad that a (unoffical) timeframe has been declared. But og course its by no means water tight

Ush1

Remember Dana saying about Jake Shields not fighting at MW as the top UFC MWs are too big for him, huge MWs like Marquardt and Anderson Silva.

Also as someone said, Silva didn't look out of place next to Forrest Griffin, who is a huge LHW is his own right.

I'd fear for GSP in the size game but good wrestlers have given Silva his most difficult fights. Who knows if he can manage to get him down and stay on top, although Sonnen managed that for a while and still lost.

Dancor

This is mine and possibly every fans MMA wet dream. I hope it happens and I hope it dosnt let us down.

rivalius13

Dancor wrote: »

This is mine and possibly every fans MMA wet dream. I hope it happens and I hope it dosnt let us down.

My MMA wet dreams involve Gina Carano, Arianny Celeste and Britney Palmer.

Hail 2 Da Thief

I'd actually prefer to see Shogun v Anderson than this proposed match-up tbh!

Hail 2 Da Thief

rivalius13 wrote: »

My MMA wet dreams involve Gina Carano, Arianny Celeste and Britney Palmer.

Throw in Kenda Perez for good measure!;)

Burkatron

If I remembr right when there was an all access UFC on Silva he walked around at about 210 -215 so he cuts alot....and throws 2 big mac meals into him the night before a fight...

the_doctor199

Really excited about the possibility of this fight. I feel it has to happen in the next 12 months though, Anderson isn't getting any younger.

Very good chance that Okami is never going to see that title shot either, unless while GSP is adding weight, they do the Okami v Silva fight.

dunkamania

If gsp is moving to MW Jackson will be looking for 6-9months so that GSP can bulk up

dave1982

Mellor wrote: »

GSP is a huge welterweight, he would have to cut weight to make middleweight at the minute.
Silva is prob an average size MW, I'm not sure but I don't think he walks around too far above 185.

Given the GSP would have a few months to prepare, he could easily addd the extra mass. I would be surprised if there was any significant size difference in the octagon.

This fight will be won on skill, not size

GSP has said loads of time's about fighting at MW,he will not go up until he can gain weight in muscle,and he will stay there.Said its not good for his body to be jumping up and down in weight.

Also what good is this fight should either one of these lose their next fights?
Takes a lot of the hype out should one of these lose and imo these are most likely the hardest fights both these fighters are facing in a long time.

And since when did you start believing what Dana white say's.If he ever says UFC is coming to Ireland you're first out calling bull****.

90% of MW are 205+ walking around weight

MrStuffins

I can't see past a GSP win here! I'd put my house on it!

Mellor

rivalius13 wrote: »

My MMA wet dreams involve Gina Carano, Arianny Celeste and Britney Palmer.

My wet dreams don't involve MMA :pac:

dave1982 wrote: »

GSP has said loads of time's about fighting at MW,he will not go up until he can gain weight in muscle,and he will stay there.Said its not good for his body to be jumping up and down in weight.

What are you talking about?
Read what I typed, i said he was going to stay there. Where did anyone suggested that he's going to jump around?
And obviously he'd gain it as muscle, I think we were all aware of that. He's hardly throw on a bit of fat and down 5 litres of water for the last 5kg now.

And since when did you start believing what Dana white say's.If he ever says UFC is coming to Ireland you're first out calling bull****.

When has he ever given a timeframe for a return to ireland?

MrStuffins wrote: »

I can't see past a GSP win here! I'd put my house on it!

Me too tbh, as much as I rate Silva (who would beat him now obv), I can't see he being so dominate over MW sized GSP

riffmongous

If GSP moves up and plans to stay up should his first fight be against Silva? Where would he be left then if he loses? I think he'd be better off with at least one fight at MW first, not against Okami, preferably a striker he can dominate.

weemcd

riffmongous wrote: »

If GSP moves up and plans to stay up should his first fight be against Silva? Where would he be left then if he loses? I think he'd be better off with at least one fight at MW first, not against Okami, preferably a striker he can dominate.

Ditto, he'd have to take time to get comfortable in the weight, with at least a tune up fight, he's no slouch GSP, so I'm sure he'd insist on this, wants to do it right. Have to say as far as training goes, I'm sure the extra coaching he does with Roach would help with moving up the weights, his fighters seem to move up excellently, without losing speed or power to a noticeable degree.

dave1982

Mellor Jeez you're the most augmentative

At no point did you say GSP was going up and staying up.

Jeez sorry for posting what GSP said,we all know you're the real mma expert here.GSP don't know **** suppose he contacts you for advice

We just ignore the facts and listen to you....haha no chance

UFC in Ireland

Re:When has he ever given a timeframe for a return to ireland?

Wouldn't even dignify that with a response.Stupid stupid comment

MrStuffins

riffmongous wrote: »

If GSP moves up and plans to stay up should his first fight be against Silva? Where would he be left then if he loses? I think he'd be better off with at least one fight at MW first, not against Okami, preferably a striker he can dominate.

I see what you're saying here, but what if he loses his "tune up fight".

Matt Serra has already shown that a punchers chance is all you need in MMA! GSP gets KO'd by someone like Leben or whatever and there goes their big megafight! Also, even if he wins this fight and loses against Silva, he's in the same position had the tune up fight not taken place.

Anyway, a champion like GSP doesn't need s tune up fight. He's just gaining a little weight that's all. He's still gonna be using the same tools at MW than he used at WW.

Mellor

Jesus Dave, read my post FFS.

dave1982 wrote: »

Mellor Jeez you're the most augmentative

At no point did you say GSP was going up and staying up.

Em, read the first post.

Mellor wrote: »

And, not its not just rumour mill stuff..
Finally something concrete on this.

Dana did a Q&A and Fight for the Troops 2
His first, and only question was
"When Anderson silva wins his next fight, when are we going him and DSP get it now"

Dana's reply; "Well Silva has Belfort up next and GSP has to face Jake Shields after that in Toronto. So, if they both win, that'll be the next fight that we'll put on". :eek:
"GSP has he'll move to 185 and stay there"

Jeez sorry for posting what GSP said,we all know you're the real mma expert here.GSP don't know **** suppose he contacts you for advice

We just ignore the facts and listen to you....haha no chance

Now you just look like an idiot. I never claimed to be any sort of expert. I was simply quoting what GSP said. Read the posts before you make stupid comments please.

UFC in Ireland

Re:When has he ever given a timeframe for a return to ireland?

Wouldn't even dignify that with a response.Stupid stupid comment

Consider the nonsnese you posted above, its funny you calling anything stupid.
It's not for this thread. But Dana only says "we'll be back", never seen a timeframe (which is what I said in case you didn't read that bit either) other than that. Paddy's day rumours, we're looking at this and that blah blah blah.



BTW, i'm not suggesting the fight is 100%, bona fide, happening next, it isn't. We all know that the "probably" Dana prefixes most sentances with is in big capital letters.

riffmongous

MrStuffins wrote: »

I see what you're saying here, but what if he loses his "tune up fight".

Matt Serra has already shown that a punchers chance is all you need in MMA! GSP gets KO'd by someone like Leben or whatever and there goes their big megafight! Also, even if he wins this fight and loses against Silva, he's in the same position had the tune up fight not taken place.

Anyway, a champion like GSP doesn't need s tune up fight. He's just gaining a little weight that's all. He's still gonna be using the same tools at MW than he used at WW.

And I think this is the problem the UFC are going to have to deal with if GSP wants to stay up. It would be so much easier if they just had a catchweight superfight and then GSP goes back down to WW:D I wouldn't be surprised if the UFC tries to persuade him not to make any permanent plans and try a catchweight first.

I do think he needs a tune up fight if its at MW though, for a start while he might be using the same tools ,will he be able to use them with the same speed? And while you can work on this in sparring, it'll never be the same as trying it in a real fight. GSP won't want to shoot in on Silva and then find out he's that fraction slower than he was.

MrStuffins

riffmongous wrote: »

I do think he needs a tune up fight if its at MW though, for a start while he might be using the same tools ,will he be able to use them with the same speed? And while you can work on this in sparring, it'll never be the same as trying it in a real fight. GSP won't want to shoot in on Silva and then find out he's that fraction slower than he was.

Again, I see your point, but you say he cant use them in sparring and he wont wanna find out he's a fraction slower than he was and use the comparison between Sparring and fighting right? they're not the same.

The same comparison can be made with fighting Silva or any other MW, it's not gonna be the same. So if he fights a MW journeyman, it's really not gonna help him prepare any better for Anderson Silva IMO.

And he already showed us he can beat a MW.......... he beat Thiago Alves

riffmongous

MrStuffins wrote: »

Again, I see your point, but you say he cant use them in sparring and he wont wanna find out he's a fraction slower than he was and use the comparison between Sparring and fighting right? they're not the same.

The same comparison can be made with fighting Silva or any other MW, it's not gonna be the same. So if he fights a MW journeyman, it's really not gonna help him prepare any better for Anderson Silva IMO.

And he already showed us he can beat a MW.......... he beat Thiago Alves

True about Silva and journeymen, but I think its more of an intensity difference between sparring and fighting, as in I'm not sure how many clubs allow knee to the face takedown defence during sparring for injury reasons, its the little differences like that.

Oh, and I was going to make a point originally about MWs hitting harder and that Georges would need to get used to that, but then I remembered Alves

Mellor

Just use Hand on the mat, "knee to the face defence" defence :pac:

But, ye I see what you mean. GSP appears to be very patient and meticulous about his training. Would he risk a fight against silva without first giving it 100% in the octagon to know how he adapt to the extra 20lbs or so.

On the other hand, the UFC is all about the superfight. I understand Shields having to beat a top guy as its his UFC debut. But moving up, is different. Nobody could complain. i'd feel for the guy he faces, knowing that you are just a test run for GSP and the next fight is booked.

If he has a "tune up" fight, I imagine that the Okami fight has to happen in the mean time

tyreman1

although gsp is a freak athlete and probably one of my all time favourites, i think theres a very valid point people are overseeing...
gsp has found it hard finishing WW's...(as in his punch doesnt pack the power to ko the bigger guys in the division)..
just look at the last 4 results he has got..
went the full 25 mins with koscheck..
then went 5 rounds with hardy,alves and fitch...
in the last 5 of his bouts BJ penn was d only guy he finished..
in saying this if he finds these big WW's hard to ko, anderson will be an even bigger challenege for him, plus he will be gettin hit by a big middlewieght and considering Matt (i shud av been a hobit) serra dropped em maybe this bout will be harder to call...

Ush1

tyreman1 wrote: »

although gsp is a freak athlete and probably one of my all time favourites, i think theres a very valid point people are overseeing...
gsp has found it hard finishing WW's...(as in his punch doesnt pack the power to ko the bigger guys in the division)..
just look at the last 4 results he has got..
went the full 25 mins with koscheck..
then went 5 rounds with hardy,alves and fitch...
in the last 5 of his bouts BJ penn was d only guy he finished..
in saying this if he finds these big WW's hard to ko, anderson will be an even bigger challenege for him, plus he will be gettin hit by a big middlewieght and considering Matt (i shud av been a hobit) serra dropped em maybe this bout will be harder to call...

I think he had Koscheck close at one stage, he was wobbly but didn't go for it(cue Greg Jackson fighter comments):P.

He can finish people but I just can't picture Silva being finished, by anyone. Sonnen was smacking him for quite a while and not much damage. I defo think Silva could finish George though(by knockout), so he will prolly be ultra cautious.

I'd be up for GSP but can't get my head round people who are so confident in him. Much as I love the guy, MW is Silvas house.

That_Guy

If this fight happened I think I'd blow my fookin' load tbh. :pac:

MonkeyBalls

You can tell Dana hates the idea of putting this fight together.

It'd be a great one. My money would be on Silva though.

tyreman1

Ush1 wrote: »

I think he had Koscheck close at one stage, he was wobbly but didn't go for it(cue Greg Jackson fighter comments):P.

He can finish people but I just can't picture Silva being finished, by anyone. Sonnen was smacking him for quite a while and not much damage. I defo think Silva could finish George though(by knockout), so he will prolly be ultra cautious.

I'd be up for GSP but can't get my head round people who are so confident in him. Much as I love the guy, MW is Silvas house.

good point by ush1....greg jacksons approach to getting the "W" is working for the judges decision..
i dnt think this will work with silva...in every fight he spends the first couple of minutes not throwing forward moving punches but works of the jab....
thus analysing his opponents movements and timing...then he strikes !!!! KAPOOOOOW..
i jus dnt think george will av the power to stop a big guy and if he rocks em the jackson approach of playing it safe will kick in and george will wrestle till the round ends...
i could be totally wrong here but it just seems since gsp has been working wit jacksons he's grinding out 5 rnd decisions when he should be finishing guys...
you gotta remember this is a spectator sport where fans wana see ko's, subs or 5 rnd bloody wars....i just think if george sticks to his original form of boring wrestle hold downs hes gona loose the killer instinct we all came to love at the start of his career

MrStuffins

I still don't consider GSP's tactic "boring", just because he doesn't finish, doesn't make him boring IMO.

Anyway f*ck Okami, if Jon Fitch beats BJ and doesn't get another shot it's an absolute disgrace! He's been beating everyone in the division and should've had a second shot by now IMO!

Hail 2 Da Thief

MrStuffins wrote: »

I can't see past a GSP win here! I'd put my house on it!

I'll bet my house against your house that Anderson beats GSP! Deal?


















Disclaimer - I may not actually own my own house but I'll still allow you to take the bet! :P

MrStuffins

Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »

I'll bet my house against your house that Anderson beats GSP! Deal?


















Disclaimer - I may not actually own my own house but I'll still allow you to take the bet! :P

Deal!

Looks like one of our mothers will be homeless by this time next year :P

tyreman1

MrStuffins wrote: »

I still don't consider GSP's tactic "boring", just because he doesn't finish, doesn't make him boring IMO.

Anyway f*ck Okami, if Jon Fitch beats BJ and doesn't get another shot it's an absolute disgrace! He's been beating everyone in the division and should've had a second shot by now IMO!

c'mon mate.....lets be honest here gsp hasnt had the most exciting fights recently....
put it dis way i dnt get that feeling of " here we go, the judges again" when bones jones ,guida or aldo are fighting !!!....altho im drifting from the first point i made re: his lack of ko power i jus feel goerge's WOW factor of finishing strong has faded ...hence 125 mins inside the octagon in his last 5 bouts....

riffmongous

Aren't we all forgetting about the Belfort fight?:D

I don't blame Jackson for fights being boring, I think he looks at the match-up and picks what he thinks will be the easiest way for his fighter to win, playing the percentages. And the way the rules are, stifling wrestling is the safest way to get a win, if you have good wrestling ability. If you're not a good wrestler Jackson will come up with a different gameplan that plays to your strengths.
If Dana has a problem with Jackson fighters then he should look to change the rules rather than tell Jackson to change. And of course the only way to make sure you don't get released nowadays is to make sure you win every single fight. Like look at Fitch, Dana would love to cut him since he's 'boring', so Fitch needs to make sure he doesn't lose and to do that he grinds out a win which just feeds back to the original problem.

And since the Sonnen fight I don't see why GSP would try anything other than taking Silva down every round en route to a decision. It might be a superfight for us, but I'm sure GSP would look at it as another fight to win.

And as for the Okami-Fitch problem, I can see Dana ignoring both these guys

tyreman1

riffmongous wrote: »

Aren't we all forgetting about the Belfort fight?:D

I don't blame Jackson for fights being boring, I think he looks at the match-up and picks what he thinks will be the easiest way for his fighter to win, playing the percentages. And the way the rules are, stifling wrestling is the safest way to get a win, if you have good wrestling ability. If you're not a good wrestler Jackson will come up with a different gameplan that plays to your strengths.
If Dana has a problem with Jackson fighters then he should look to change the rules rather than tell Jackson to change. And of course the only way to make sure you don't get released nowadays is to make sure you win every single fight. Like look at Fitch, Dana would love to cut him since he's 'boring', so Fitch needs to make sure he doesn't lose and to do that he grinds out a win which just feeds back to the original problem.

And since the Sonnen fight I don't see why GSP would try anything other than taking Silva down every round en route to a decision. It might be a superfight for us, but I'm sure GSP would look at it as another fight to win.

And as for the Okami-Fitch problem, I can see Dana ignoring both these guys

totoally agree wiv u mate regarding the scoring method.......especially when it sways in favour of a wrestler...maybe its time to re-evaluate the scoring.???....not that we'd get a say hahahaha
i dnt see the point in getting points scored a takedown if u do nothing with it...thats just my opinion as a jits guy....id be happy to be taken down so i could work my game...
theres two ways i see this going....
1. silva comes out gauging range and gsp's movement..then pounces,maybe even wit a strike weve never seen b4....pressure pressure pressure and gsp folds to punches in d first or second
2. it could be a repeat of the sonnoen bout except silva will lose via decision....
now im not confident enuf to put my house on this hahahahaha....

MrStuffins

Holy **** yeah, all this GSP talk is REALLY benefiting Belfort! if Belfort beats Silva, then there will be no GSP v Silva! (Unless Shields then beats GSP... i'm not sure how "Super" they could make this superfight exactly)

And in fairness, i disagree with the "GSP can't finish" brigade.

His last 3 fights were decisions, but he was VERY close to stopping Kos in his last fight and the only reason he didnt finish Hardy was because Hardy was never gonna tap!

alves was a straight up Unanimous decision fine, but previous to that he had been finishing people. Hughes twice, BJ Penn, Frank Trigg............

It actually sickens me slightly that the most dominant fighter in the world (and possibly the best of all time) still gets criticised by people for not finishing! He completely dominates everyone is every facet of the game.

It's always the same "Silva can't wrestle, GSP can't finish, Edgar can't finish.....". it doesn't matter who the fighter is or how good they are, there will always be people who want to criticise them!

riffmongous

tyreman1 wrote: »

totoally agree wiv u mate regarding the scoring method.......especially when it sways in favour of a wrestler...maybe its time to re-evaluate the scoring.???....not that we'd get a say hahahaha
i dnt see the point in getting points scored a takedown if u do nothing with it...thats just my opinion as a jits guy....id be happy to be taken down so i could work my game...
theres two ways i see this going....
1. silva comes out gauging range and gsp's movement..then pounces,maybe even wit a strike weve never seen b4....pressure pressure pressure and gsp folds to punches in d first or second
2. it could be a repeat of the sonnoen bout except silva will lose via decision....
now im not confident enuf to put my house on this hahahahaha....

Yeah, personally I don't think you should get any points for just being on top in guard/half guard, only for volume of strikes and damage done. And a lot more emphasis should be put on improving position.

And the more I think about, Silva is a smart guy too, he would have took note of what Sonnen did to him and I'm sure if he knows he's going to fight GSP he will have done a lot of work on his takedown defense. I think its going to be a nightmare to call this one:D

tyreman1

MrStuffins wrote: »

Holy **** yeah, all this GSP talk is REALLY benefiting Belfort! if Belfort beats Silva, then there will be no GSP v Silva! (Unless Shields then beats GSP... i'm not sure how "Super" they could make this superfight exactly)


"VERY close to finishing kos".....isnt finishing a fight

"didnt finish Hardy was because Hardy was never gonna tap!".....thats like saying i couldnt knock em out cause he didnt av a glass jaw!
and who is dis frank trigg guy he finished?????? never heard of em lololol.....

look no disrespect to gsp or any of his followers because i still like him... im just making the points that he hasnt finished fights which in a spectator sport is vital to stay in the limelight, hence which is y we are having this discussion, plus i just dont think he has the power to ko the bigger guys.....

now if im completly wrong here and gsp ko's silva in d first round il eat my hat hahahaha....

MrStuffins

tyreman1 wrote: »

"VERY close to finishing kos".....isnt finishing a fight

True, but "can't finish" and "didn't finish" are 2 different things also.

"didnt finish Hardy was because Hardy was never gonna tap!".....thats like saying i couldnt knock em out cause he didnt av a glass jaw!

Not in the least! The vast VAST majority of submissions happen because a fighter knows he's in danger of going to sleep or having something broken and they tap. Hardy was in some very bad situations which 8 or 9 out of 10 fighters would've tapped to.

But part of the point here is, it's not as if he wasn't TRYING to finish. He was trying!

the fact of the matter here is, the guy is without doubt the No.1 in the world. These contenders come up, beating everyone in their way and don't even come close to GSP.

for instance, GSP didn't finish Jon Fitch right? do you think he should be criticised for this?

Jon Fitch has beaten EVERYONE he's ever gotten into the octagon with, if you exclude GSP. And Fitch has never looked in trouble in any fight either. He's elite. Yet GSP made him look very ordinary! I don't think GSP should be criticised for not finishing Fitch.... or anyone he fights in fairness.

Whenever GSP gets into the Octagon, he's fighting the mort elite fighters in the world.

If you have a guy like Bisping who is fighting cans and doesn't finish them, they maybe THAT'S warrented! But to criticise GSP for completely dominating but not finishing all of the elite fighters in the world, it's ridiculous in my opinion!

Ush1

GSP can finish those guys. He said it after the Koscheck fight he leaves nothing to chance.

That Hardy fight was hillarious. He had a full arm bar locked in and was twisting Hardys wrist back and forth and just looked confused that Hardy wasn't tapping.

It's hard to call but the fact is we don't know how GSP will adapt to the jump and we know how amazing Silva is.

Oh and for those saying Vitor is gonna beat Silva, can't see it at all I'm afraid. Maybe when Vitor was abit younger and faster his striking would trouble him. In saying that I'd like to see Vitor at the very least give Silva a tough fight. Who knows, I'm gonna throw a few bob on Silva though so it's win win for me even though the odds are brutal.

MrStuffins

Has Vitor slowed down all that much? I'm not so sure!

And there's no reason why age would not be on Vitor's side as regards to quickness, he's still only 33 (with Anderson being 35).

it just seems he's much older because he's been around so so long!

Tones69

riffmongous wrote: »

Yeah, personally I don't think you should get any points for just being on top in guard/half guard, only for volume of strikes and damage done. And a lot more emphasis should be put on improving position.

And the more I think about, Silva is a smart guy too, he would have took note of what Sonnen did to him and I'm sure if he knows he's going to fight GSP he will have done a lot of work on his takedown defense. I think its going to be a nightmare to call this one:D

Why not? Gotta work hard to get top position and keep it, if you're on the bottom u need to be sweeping or submitting or getting up, if you cant get up then its a credit to the guy on top, unless hes just totally stalling then in that case the ref should do his job and stand them up. To be fair you cant not give points for control, thats a part of the game

riffmongous

Tones69 wrote: »

Why not? Gotta work hard to get top position and keep it, if you're on the bottom u need to be sweeping or submitting or getting up, if you cant get up then its a credit to the guy on top, unless hes just totally stalling then in that case the ref should do his job and stand them up. To be fair you cant not give points for control, thats a part of the game

Well first I don't think MMA should become about pinning your opponent, effort to finish the fight should take priority. That's why I said volume of strikes is where you should get the points. And while like you say it does take skill to keep a guy down, in the other rules sets that do allow pins, the guard does not usually count as a pin due to the amount of control the person on the bottom has over the person in their guard.

I really like Vitor's chances, especially if the unmotivated Silva shows up. I think Vitor just has enough power to make one punch count

SDTimeout

Both of these guys could be coming off a loss for all i care. I still want to see them fight.

Fedor is still as dangerous as he was 12 months ago. Only he has been submitted in that time.

Just would lose the UFC some marketing and build up if they we're coming off wins.

enfant terrible

Would Sonnen be a bigger favourite over GSP than Silva?

TheProdigy

enfant terrible wrote: »

Would Sonnen be a bigger favourite over GSP than Silva?

The draw towards the GSP v Silva fight is due to the vast contrast in styles of 2 fighters who are dominating their divisions.

GSP definately has a better skill set than Sonnen but I wouldn't find the appeal for Georges to fight a former LHW who is a lot bigger and may be able to win due to his size and wrestling. If it was at 170 lbs, which is impossible for Sonnen, than he wouldn't have a hope against GSP.

Either way I don't think Sonnen should be mentioned in such a circumstance as anything he has recognisably done at the top level has been surrounded by controversy.

ScareGilly

tyreman1 wrote: »

and who is dis frank trigg guy he finished?????? never heard of em lololol

I almost stopped listening after that, I definitely stopped after the "lololol"
Go watch Matt Hughes - Frank Trigg 1 and 2..

TheProdigy wrote: »

Either way I don't think Sonnen should be mentioned in such a circumstance as anything he has recognisably done at the top level has been surrounded by controversy.

Bit of an outlandish comment really, thats like saying everything Josh Barnett, Ken Shamrock, Shane Carwin, etc. shouldn't be mentioned as they've all been involved in steroids.

I guess Lance Armstrong shouldn't be mentioned in top cyclists since his testosterone tests were revealed :rolleyes:

Anyways, great video about the GSP - Hardy fight here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NfjbiTwIYI

TheProdigy

ScareGilly wrote: »

Bit of an outlandish comment really, thats like saying everything Josh Barnett, Ken Shamrock, Shane Carwin, etc. shouldn't be mentioned as they've all been involved in steroids.

I guess Lance Armstrong shouldn't be mentioned in top cyclists since his testosterone tests were revealed :rolleyes:

I knew you would be responding to that at some time, we have previously identified in other threads that your rose tinted glasses for Mr. Sonnen are hampering your opinion on the facts. :rolleyes:

Whatever his medical condition he still had 4 times, iirc, the approved amount of testosterone in his body. I don't see why he couldn't inject himself with the required amount to bring him up to speed with the normal amount of testosterone in the average persons body, 4 times over the limit is controversial to say the least. Can you justify why he had 4 times the required limit in his system?

And I don't have any time or admiration for the above mentioned athletes either. Just because PED's are becoming more evident it shouldn't mean it is more acceptable or the fans should be less critical, its cheating.

scudzilla

I can see this fight letting everybody down and being one big bore.

Both fighters will play it so careful i can see nothing but a borefest