Are they alot of young people not trying hard enough for work?

tfitzgerald

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AnnyHallsal

When I was in my early 20s all of my friends had jobs. We had to, of course, because we wouldn't get the dole if we didn't look, and we also wanted to work. I remember no-one in my peer group, 5 to 10 years ago, who was out of work or wanted to be out of work. We worked. We earned.

Perhaps some young people today aren't looking hard enough but even if they are there aren't enough jobs to go around. In the long term, all the unemployed young will suffer. I saw a report on the BBC saying that the repercussions could affect 10 years of their lives. Not many are made for career unemployment. The dole is going to lower with every successive year and there is still the social stigma evinced by some on this thread. Everyone has a duty to do their best to pay their own way but what gives anyone the right the judge from their elevated employed position? Report the fraudulent, sure, but don't tar others with your own prejudice.

ntlbell

tfitzgerald wrote: »

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and what courses were they?

what did you find were a joke?

maybe you might save someone some time.

Lux23

ntlbell wrote: »

no you don't "deserve" anything, life doesn't oue you anything. why expect someone else to take a huge risk starting a company? do you think they do it because students coming out of college "deserve" a job the delusion sense of entiltment is just sickening.

I have listed what I have done so far and like I said I have been working full time since 2002 and I am still struggling to find work so I pity students straight out of college who are being treated like they are useless because they simply aren't old enough to get experience.

Lux23

Clay Future Connoisseur wrote: »

Some people just have no drive. I'm well aware there are very few jobs. I'm well aware that I'll be lucky to find one. But if it comes to signing on, I'll be able to do it knowing I tried my hardest and knowing that I'm doing everything I can to find a job. A lot of people just aren't arsed. They think they deserve a top job in a top company after a few years in college, and if they can't have it, they're not interested.

Ah now Izzy you have changed your tune, a few months ago you were bemoaning the fact that you couldn't get work in your chosen area? Having said that so have I.

ntlbell - Below is what I have done to find work. When I am not doing my part time job I am either studying, actively looking for work or keeping up with current affairs which is a full time job in itself.

I finished college in 2002 and have worked ever since then until my role was made redundant last July. I wanted to be a journalist so I spent from early 2003 working freelance and doing a full time job until late Christmas 2004. I rarely got paid for the freelance work so I decided I would look at other options, in February 2005 I started working as a PA/Office Manager for an architects, it paid the bills but I was offered a job in an Accountancy firm doing basically the same thing but for more money.

I decided in late 2007 that I really wanted to go back to doing something in media so I applied for a PR Assistant's role which I was delighted to say I got even though I had no real experience. I worked away at that until I lost my job which means I have over two years experience in PR. When I lost my job I decided I would enroll in a PR diploma to keep my brain going and to get the piece of paper really.

I am also working part time so not signing on currently but that job will be gone in two weeks time.

I have applied for loads of jobs at this stage including admin roles (incidentally I didn't hear back from any of those), but my main focus has being on securing another PR/Communications role. I have asked for work experience with several PR agencies who refused me on the basis that their interns should be straight out of college, if I meet anyone in the business I ask them for their email and send on my CV. I have begged friends to give a shout if any jobs come up in their company. I am doing PR campaigns for two charities but neither of these can pay me.

I have gone around some cafes and pubs looking for work but none will take me on as its just doesn't make sense for them to hire a PR Executive with no waitressing experience.

So tell me what I should do? And please tell why someone with my experience and education should have to work for free? I have debts, rent, food to buy? Im actually quite sick at the moment but cant afford to pay for a doctor.

Lux23

Lux23 wrote: »

Ah now Izzy you have changed your tune, a few months ago you were bemoaning the fact that you couldn't get work in your chosen area? Having said that so have I.

And how, exactly, have I changed my tune? I have always said that I have been employed so far and would take jobs outside of my ideal ones if it meant I could stay off the dole. Sure, it is really bloody annoying that I have worked so hard and am still far off getting anything I consider ideal and of course it's not 'fair', but that's the way it is. I'm not going to just sit on my arse and complain that there's nothing out there like some of my friends are doing, making excuses like 'the experience doesn't count because it's not what I want to do'. BS, I say. I maintain that working, anywhere, looks better on a CV than long periods of unemployment. I don't like the internship I'm doing right now, but it looks impressive on a CV and it still provides experience. Better that than nothing.

I agree with you on the unpaid intern thing and always have. That's what my thread on here was about a few months ago, and I still believe that they should be banned. If you work, you get paid. Unpaid internships are one of the causes of all the youth unemployment problems, if you ask me. I am constantly coming across entry level positions, which should have an entry level salary, advertised as 'unpaid internships'. It's exploitation, pure and simple. How on earth are people supposed to survive on nothing?

Lux23

Oh sorry Izzy I am mixing you up with someone else on another message board too. That was stupid of me.

I would have done an unpaid internship months ago but its too late now, I am already behind on loan repayments and have just paid my last 400 quid in rent. I have less than a tenner to keep me going until next Tuesday so I really am desperate. Actually its Thursday, I wont get my wages till Thursday now and thats it, I will have to go back on the dole.

And my wages are 180 for working 48 hours!!

tfitzgerald

ntlbell wrote: »

and what courses were they?

what did you find were a joke?

maybe you might save someone some time.

Ciw course it's a web designer course they teach you very little about a lot you end up not knowing enough about anything it's a one year course but it lasted 18 months because of delays with teachers the other was a mous course "Microsoft office user specialist "not a bad course I was actually thought a lot but anyone going for a job would be far more qualified than me. If you need to know anything more about me just ask

Elessar

I don't know any young people unemployed atm. I'm 25 and started a full time job recently in the airport, in fact I turned down another job offer to take it (no degree here). One of my friends just got a permanent contract after a few years of contract work at the airport. Another friend with a recent degree in programming quit his job because he was not being paid enough and got another one closer to home on more money within a week. Another is working full time in the local shopping center. Yet another has got a new full time job in a hospital and is in fact working two jobs, at his own hours and earning great money.

That's not the least of it. There are jobs out there if you are willing to search hard enough, and not think one CV every few weeks is OK. That's not to belittle anyone genuinely trying and having no luck. Keep trying. Try hard. Tailor your CV to fit each job. Keep on trying.

Lux23

What is bothering me is the assumption that I am doing something wrong and thats why I can't find work or that I somehow not good enough. When I left my job, I was a happy and confident young woman who was looking forward to finding a new challenge.

Now I feel like I am incompetent, my energy has been zapped, my confidence is at an all time low and I am broke with noone in my life to help me through. None of my family have either a bed for me or money to help me out. I am trying hard to find work and but I log in here to look for some support and it is there but there are also some people hanging around to belittle and abuse the jobless. Their comments totally negate any of the good stuff on here.

shoegirl

Some perhaps, but the very low rate of welfare for those who are not in education and under 25 is a major deterrent for this age group, regardless of their other circumstances.

I recall when I left college in the last recession in the early 90s, that jobs were extremely difficult to get for grads without experience, and if you had an arts degree, they just laughed at you. It was very difficult to get even a "normal" job like a bank clerk or air sterwardess at the time and many people, even with a qualification, thought they were very lucky if they did.

The real problem though is older people, who have complex commitments, are entitled to much more in welfare, and may not like the idea of going back into education either, as well as being used to very inflated salaries.

shoegirl

Lux23 wrote: »

What is bothering me is the assumption that I am doing something wrong and thats why I can't find work or that I somehow not good enough. When I left my job, I was a happy and confident young woman who was looking forward to finding a new challenge.

Now I feel like I am incompetent, my energy has been zapped, my confidence is at an all time low and I am broke with noone in my life to help me through. None of my family have either a bed for me or money to help me out. I am trying hard to find work and but I log in here to look for some support and it is there but there are also some people hanging around to belittle and abuse the jobless. Their comments totally negate any of the good stuff on here.

Hang on there girl. There is some work out there and in time you will get some bit of a chance. It might not be great now, but over time you will find that your prospects improve.

Its a bit hard of your family to not let you crash though. I know when I was laid off I went back to my parents but straight away I gave them 40 euro a week towards my keep. That helped earn a bit of respect as they knew it was coming out of a small income. Yeah there are people who have no idea what they are talking about, I contract now and cannot believe how much the perm people at the place I work take things for granted. Then again no "permanent" job is truly permanent.

Lux23

They have no room either, they had to get a smaller house due to the downturn so it would probably be just the couch. I may have to ask them though but things are hard enough and I don't want to be a burden.

I was looking at an life assurance policy I got as part of my redundancy package to see if it could be cashed in. It turns out I am worth alot more dead then alive!! You just have to laugh at it sometimes.

Thanks for the kind words Shoegirl.

ntlbell

tfitzgerald wrote: »

Ciw course it's a web designer course they teach you very little about a lot you end up not knowing enough about anything it's a one year course but it lasted 18 months because of delays with teachers the other was a mous course "Microsoft office user specialist "not a bad course I was actually thought a lot but anyone going for a job would be far more qualified than me. If you need to know anything more about me just ask

I did web design in DCU, they thought very little about very little, were teaching 10yr old techniques etc. MOUS is an excellent course and can add value to just about any job that requires the use of office products to carry out.

So I'm not sure what your exact problem is with it, in fact sounds like you learned a lot. MOUS is a very exspensive course to do privatley, If I was you I wouldn't be so negative about it, maybe potential employers pick up on that in interviews? you should be building the course up, not knocking it down.

ntlbell

Lux23 wrote: »

What is bothering me is the assumption that I am doing something wrong and thats why I can't find work or that I somehow not good enough. When I left my job, I was a happy and confident young woman who was looking forward to finding a new challenge.

Now I feel like I am incompetent, my energy has been zapped, my confidence is at an all time low and I am broke with noone in my life to help me through. None of my family have either a bed for me or money to help me out. I am trying hard to find work and but I log in here to look for some support and it is there but there are also some people hanging around to belittle and abuse the jobless. Their comments totally negate any of the good stuff on here.

When you started in PR/Marketing etc, I'm not saying you specifically, but basically any aul eejit could get a job in this field, with and without qualifications. That's the difference today, not everyone who has a degree can get a job, you must be more than someone with a bit of paper.

I can't recall if you said PR so if you didn't forget the rest of this post.

I assume being in PR you came across http://www.simplyzesty.com/ As far as I know the two people involved met on twitter, they can correct me if I'm wrong, Niall who is a chef and now running an online PR/social media consultantcy company. I'm going to guess Niall has no qualifacations in PR again he can correct me if i'm wrong, but it looks to me like two people who didn't wait around for someone else to hand them on a plate.

Why don't you for example contact some of these places? setup a networking group and meet up with other PR people in the same position as you and try and do something? if nothing comes of it you will probably make a new set of contacts and build your "network"

Having a degree and even expirience is just not enough anymore in anythng, you have to show employers and give them good reasons to why they should pick you. have you offered to any volunteer work where you can use your PR skills? I'm sure many charities would love someone to give them a hand? again will look good on the cv that you were not left idle etc.

I didn't see/read what you said you "did" but banging out a couple of hundred CV's a month for most jobs is not good enough on anymore.

Call into places, arrange a cup of coffee with some PR managers and just pick their brain for half an hour. Get known, get liked.

macquarie

Lux23 wrote: »

What is bothering me is the assumption that I am doing something wrong and thats why I can't find work or that I somehow not good enough. When I left my job, I was a happy and confident young woman who was looking forward to finding a new challenge.

Now I feel like I am incompetent, my energy has been zapped, my confidence is at an all time low and I am broke with noone in my life to help me through. None of my family have either a bed for me or money to help me out. I am trying hard to find work and but I log in here to look for some support and it is there but there are also some people hanging around to belittle and abuse the jobless. Their comments totally negate any of the good stuff on here.

You worked in the past so are more than capable of doing so again in the future. There is no difference in who you are whether employed and unemployed. Some of the people commenting on this issue here are f**king idiots to be frank about it. They think there are 450,000 job vacancies in Ireland and that most people on social welfare are not actively seeking employment. Or that all 450,000 unemployed people should become window cleaners. It's a laughable concept.

ntlbell

macquarie wrote: »

You worked in the past so are more than capable of doing so again in the future. There is no difference in who you are whether employed and unemployed. Some of the people commenting on this issue here are f**king idiots to be frank about it. They think there are 450,000 job vacancies in Ireland and that most people on social welfare are not actively seeking employment. Or that all 450,000 unemployed people should become window cleaners. It's a laughable concept.

Who said there was 450k vacancies? 150k never worked in the good times anyway, so yes there is a lot of them not activley seeking employment.

I haven't had a window clearner ever call here I don't think. Plenty of money to be made so don't knock it. some people are just afraid of a bit of hard work. but going around calling people f*cking idiots? have you any actual solouitions yourself? or do we just go around knocking everyone elses?

Lux23

You didn't read my post properly, did you? I am already chasing up any contacts I can find.

An old colleague and me are starting up a PR/Event Management company although I will be an employee as I have no money to go into the business and she has to wait another two months before she can officially start the business as she will lose all her benefits, (she is a single mother in her forties and its the first time she has ever signed on before anyone decided to attack her too). I have to bide my time on this one and hopefully it pans out but I can't rely on it. All I can do in the meantime is build my contacts and hope they will give us a chance when we can start working on this properly. If I get a full time job I will take it but still plan to invest some time in this.

I am also giving my time to two charities for free as I mentioned before. I have set up meetings with people I have met who are working in PR to try and get internships but they were too afraid to take on someone with my experience. Im not just sitting in front of my laptop sending of CVS, I know how the industry works and they do like you to be gutsy so hiding behind an email address isn't an option.

So I am doing all this? Im trying my hardest and I have sunk every last penny into finding a job and I am literally down to my last tenner.

Lux23

ntlbell wrote: »

Who said there was 450k vacancies? 150k never worked in the good times anyway, so yes there is a lot of them not activley seeking employment.

I haven't had a window clearner ever call here I don't think. Plenty of money to be made so don't knock it. some people are just afraid of a bit of hard work. but going around calling people f*cking idiots? have you any actual solouitions yourself? or do we just go around knocking everyone elses?

To be a window cleaner you need a ladder, cleaning products, protection goggles, gloves, decent boots for grip and protective gear. You also need some sort of health and safety certificate, all of which cost money which I don't have.

The only thing I can sell right now is my body and I won't lie, I am bloody well considering it right now.

ntlbell

Lux23 wrote: »

An old colleague and me are starting up a PR/Event Management company although I will be an employee as I have no money to go into the business

Great, so you're basically employed again?

what's the fuss about?

Lux23

ntlbell wrote: »

Great, so you're basically employed again?

what's the fuss about?

Nope, not for another two months and it will be six months before I can even think about earning any money from it. These things take time, which is not on my side right now. Like I said all I have our my skills and a laptop, I may well be homeless soon.

ntlbell

Lux23 wrote: »

To be a window cleaner you need a ladder, cleaning products, protection goggles, gloves, decent boots for grip and protective gear. You also need some sort of health and safety certificate, all of which cost money which I don't have.

Maybe if one went to the IDA with a clear buisness plan, they might get the money for the above? Or maybe they could get a loan from a friend famliy it would be a pretty small loan. or maybe they were prudant and saved during the boom times? if we want to find a way not to something we will. Anyway, It's just one thing, there's literally hundreds of things people can do you can start up lots of small buisness with little or no starting capital.

Lux23

ntlbell wrote: »

Maybe if one went to the IDA with a clear buisness plan, they might get the money for the above? Or maybe they could get a loan from a friend famliy it would be a pretty small loan. or maybe they were prudant and saved during the boom times? if we want to find a way not to something we will. Anyway, It's just one thing, there's literally hundreds of things people can do you can start up lots of small buisness with little or no starting capital.

If they were prudent during the boom times it wouldn't be an issue now would it?

A pretty small loan? When people have nothing no loan is small, I don't know what reality you are living in but in mine everyone is struggling.

AnnyHallsal

ntlbell wrote: »

Maybe if one went to the IDA with a clear buisness plan, they might get the money for the above? Or maybe they could get a loan from a friend famliy it would be a pretty small loan. or maybe they were prudant and saved during the boom times? if we want to find a way not to something we will. Anyway, It's just one thing, there's literally hundreds of things people can do you can start up lots of small buisness with little or no starting capital.

Not everyone is an entrepreneur. It's risky, especially if you have a family. A friend lost all his redundancy, and more, with such a venture. A brave man but he's screwed now.

ntlbell

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Not everyone is an entrepreneur. It's risky, especially if you have a family. A friend lost all his redundancy, and more, with such a venture. A brave man but he's screwed now.

not everyone needs to be, I'm not suggesting 450k people go out by a ladder.

macquarie

Jeez if ntlbell was in power , Ireland would have the cleanest windows in the world.

ntlbell

macquarie wrote: »

Jeez if ntlbell was in power , Ireland would have the cleanest windows in the world.

so have you thought of any ideas yet?

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

Maybe if one went to the IDA with a clear buisness plan, they might get the money for the above? Or maybe they could get a loan from a friend famliy it would be a pretty small loan. or maybe they were prudant and saved during the boom times? if we want to find a way not to something we will. Anyway, It's just one thing, there's literally hundreds of things people can do you can start up lots of small buisness with little or no starting capital.

Come on, ntlbell. You're not being fair now. I agree that there are more ways to make money than most people think of, but it doesn't seem like Lux23 can do more than she already is. More prudent during the boom times? Perhaps you were swimming in gold, but I for one was working my way through college while trying to get a decent degree, like many people. Most people don't have relatives willing to hand over wads of cash to start a business. What are these businesses which require no starting capital?

Lux23

ntlbell wrote: »

so have you thought of any ideas yet?

You haven't exactly offered up anything new either. There are people out there without either the skills or the moxy to negotiate the jobs market of today but those of us who do are still finding things very difficult.

ntlbell

Lux23 wrote: »

If they were prudent during the boom times it wouldn't be an issue now would it?

being out of work is an issue, prudent or not.

Lux23 wrote: »

A pretty small loan? When people have nothing no loan is small, I don't know what reality you are living in but in mine everyone is struggling.

Well, you could go and talk to someone that for example all ready has a ladder, they might lend it to you. if not, I'm sure you can rent them fairly cheap by the day. etc, no not everyone in my reality is struggling, some are, but considering 1.5 million are working away I'm not sure how _everyone_ is struggling, maybe your circle is very unlucky.

Again, you can't seem to see anything but the way not to do something, it comes across very negative.

macquarie

ntlbell wrote: »

so have you thought of any ideas yet?

Lower the costs and remove the boundaries to creating a business in Ireland would be more effective. Make rent, electricity, heating, wages, etc lower to encourage FDI. Set up proper systems for the unemployed to create a business without risking losing their payments. Provide more capital to entrepreneurs especially those interested in exporting their product/service.

These are ways to create employment, and the ripple effect means if these new businesses and companies grow they can hire people who are currently on social welfare and reduce the number.

Telling the 450,000 to go out with a ladder and bucket will achieve nothing in the grand scheme of things. Changes like this have to be made at a political level.

ntlbell

Lux23 wrote: »

You haven't exactly offered up anything new either. There are people out there without either the skills or the moxy to negotiate the jobs market of today but those of us who do are still finding things very difficult.

It doesn't need anything "new" people getting off thier arse and doing something about their own situation is not "new" people have been doing it for years bar the lucky lot who had the last 10 years handed to them on a plate.

AnnyHallsal

ntlbell wrote: »

It doesn't need anything "new" people getting off thier arse and doing something about their own situation is not "new" people have been doing it for years bar the lucky lot who had the last 10 years handed to them on a plate.

So in recessions past you had hordes of the unemployed young out cleaning windows? That's not the way I remember things.

ntlbell

macquarie wrote: »

Lower the costs and remove the boundaries to creating a business in Ireland would be more effective. Make rent, electricity, heating, wages, etc lower to encourage FDI. Set up proper systems for the unemployed to create a business without risking losing their payments. Provide more capital to entrepreneurs especially those interested in exporting the product/service.

These are ways to create employment, and the ripple effect means if these new businesses and companies grow they can hire people who are currently on social welfare and reduce the number.

So you want to do away with an open and free market? you want the goverment to decide what rents should be set at? wages?

no one would disagree more could be done to help entrpreneurs, but I don't see how the rest is possible in an open market?

dellas1979

Lux, I am sorry you are out of work, and I am sorry you have e10 till next Thursday - I genuinely am - Ive been in your situation, as many others on here have, but noone here made the situation for you, so please stop taking it out on us.

You chose to do PA, obviously a career that there isnt many jobs in.

If you are going for the lower salaried/skill jobs, take all your quals off your CV.

I have no problem with anyone telling a little white lie to get a job, and pay the bills.

I stongly believe that where there is a will, there is a way. You do what you need to do - noone is playing by the rules anymore, and you need to play the game this way as well.

BTW, if you get paid e180 only a week, how do you afford e400 in rent a month?

ntlbell

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

So in recessions past you had hordes of the unemployed young out cleaning windows? That's not the way I remember things.

No? Maybe I lived in some strange part of Ireland.

On our rd we had.

The milk man, the window cleaner, the grass cutter, the paper man A lady who collected clothes from your home and ironed them and returned them (not me personally). They were not unemplyed, that was there job.

Recession or no recession good hard workers are always working. there was plenty of dossers in the 80's the same as there is now.

ntlbell

dellas1979 wrote: »

BTW, if you get paid e180 only a week, how do you afford e400 in rent a month?

and why are you not entilted to RA?

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

No? Maybe I lived in some strange part of Ireland.

On our rd we had.

The milk man, the window cleaner, the grass cutter, the paper man A lady who collected clothes from your home and ironed them and returned them (not me personally). They were not unemplyed, that was there job.

Recession or no recession good hard workers are always working. there was plenty of dossers in the 80's the same as there is now.

How many people can afford to pay others for luxuries like that? My parents cut back on all that years ago, and they were on good salaries. Surely the first thing you do in a recession is cut your own grass and iron your own clothes.

AnnyHallsal

ntlbell wrote: »

No? Maybe I lived in some strange part of Ireland.

On our rd we had.

The milk man, the window cleaner, the grass cutter, the paper man A lady who collected clothes from your home and ironed them and returned them (not me personally). They were not unemplyed, that was there job.

Recession or no recession good hard workers are always working. there was plenty of dossers in the 80's the same as there is now.

My Dad is out of work and it's driving him mad. He has a couple of hours here and there and looked hard to find that. He's from what is known as an unemployment blackspot where the percent's far higher than the national average. I think it's despicable that people sit in judgement, or think they know better, when it could be the death of him.

Lux23

ntlbell wrote: »

being out of work is an issue, prudent or not.



Well, you could go and talk to someone that for example all ready has a ladder, they might lend it to you. if not, I'm sure you can rent them fairly cheap by the day. etc, no not everyone in my reality is struggling, some are, but considering 1.5 million are working away I'm not sure how _everyone_ is struggling, maybe your circle is very unlucky.

Again, you can't seem to see anything but the way not to do something, it comes across very negative.

Yes they are working but their wages have been slashed, health care costs are rocketing, direct and indirect taxes are going up, banks are starting to charge for transactions. Are you telling me that you haven't seen your income take a dive in some way? But I tell you what I will go home to my Dad who is dying of kidney failure and ask for some of his disabillty allowance so I can rent a ladder.

And as for being negative? How can you expect be to be positive when people like you who don't know me from Adam belittle me because I am struggling to find a job. If you are so sure I can start up my own business how about lending me some money to do it and I will?

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

and why are you not entilted to RA?

I'm not earning much more than Lux23 and am paying the same rent. I don't qualify for any benefits as I'm doing an internship - not sure how it works in Ireland.

Lux23

dellas1979 wrote: »

Lux, I am sorry you are out of work, and I am sorry you have e10 till next Thursday - I genuinely am - Ive been in your situation, as many others on here have, but noone here made the situation for you, so please stop taking it out on us.

You chose to do PA, obviously a career that there isnt many jobs in.

If you are going for the lower salaried/skill jobs, take all your quals off your CV.

I have no problem with anyone telling a little white lie to get a job, and pay the bills.

I stongly believe that where there is a will, there is a way. You do what you need to do - noone is playing by the rules anymore, and you need to play the game this way as well.

BTW, if you get paid e180 only a week, how do you afford e400 in rent a month?

I had some redundancy left after I cleared my debts and paid for my course but its all gone now, I actually pawned my phone and IPOD today to pay for the rest of it which left me with a tenner.

I need more than a while lie to get jobs, I have never worked in the service industry in my life. Im actually crying now because i am so scared, my life is over.

ntlbell

Clay Future Connoisseur wrote: »

How many people can afford to pay others for luxuries like that? My parents cut back on all that years ago, and they were on good salaries. Surely the first thing you do in a recession is cut your own grass and iron your own clothes.

People seem to be under this strange impression the whole of ireland hasn't a bean. a huge% of people in ireland are pretty much recession proof. people will always have money and people will spend it. if you seen blanch shopping centre on a satyrday you would think it was 2006.

i'm sure lots of people cant afford it, but lots can

AnnyHallsal

Lux23 wrote: »

I had some redundancy left after I cleared my debts and paid for my course but its all gone now, I actually pawned my phone and IPOD today to pay for the rest of it which left me with a tenner.

I need more than a while lie to get jobs, I have never worked in the service industry in my life. Im actually crying now because i am so scared, my life is over.

Oh, Lux. It's not. It's a bad patch. Things will get better. As a child of working-class parents who were floored during a few recessions, it will get better.

dellas1979

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

My Dad is out of work and it's driving him mad. He has a couple of hours here and there and looked hard to find that. He's from what is known as an unemployment blackspot where the percent's far higher than the national average. I think it's despicable that people sit in judgement, or think they know better, when it could be the death of him.

Jesus...you post is verging on patronising.

He isnt the only one ever to be unemployed you know.
Obviously when people/families are in these situations, you think you are the only one who has ever gone throught it.

Its like the whole "first woman in Ireland to have a baby" syndrome.

Its been done a million times, you know.

Finally, if I was earning e180 a week, I sure wouldnt be paying e400 a month in rent. That doesnt make sense to me financially.

Edit: I presume you are talking about the mid-west/west. as the black spot.

Lux23

I was in a shopping centre earlier but I wasn't buying anything.

They won't give me Rent Allowance, they may once I go back on JSB but sure its too late anyway.

I have no money to find somewhere cheaper?? I need a deposit and a months rent up front plus 400 includes bills so I won't find much better where I live.

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

People seem to be under this strange impression the whole of ireland hasn't a bean. a huge% of people in ireland are pretty much recession proof. people will always have money and people will spend it. if you seen blanch shopping centre on a satyrday you would think it was 2006.

i'm sure lots of people cant afford it, but lots can

I know plenty of gobsh1tes who are constantly shopping and living way beyond their means. The fact people are spending doesn't mean that much, really. A lot of people just wouldn't be comfortable lending money to family or friends.

ntlbell

Lux23 wrote: »

Yes they are working but their wages have been slashed, health care costs are rocketing, direct and indirect taxes are going up, banks are starting to charge for transactions. Are you telling me that you haven't seen your income take a dive in some way? But I tell you what I will go home to my Dad who is dying of kidney failure and ask for some of his disabillty allowance so I can rent a ladder.

Of course it did and now I have to do more to make the same. boo hoo.

no need to bring your fathers health into or any need for sarcastic comments.

Lux23 wrote: »

And as for being negative? How can you expect be to be positive when people like you who don't know me from Adam belittle me because I am struggling to find a job. If you are so sure I can start up my own business how about lending me some money to do it and I will?

I didn't belittle you, i suggested you might get some ideas from people here. you have chosen to percive it as belittling but it is line with your over all negative outlook.

ntlbell

Clay Future Connoisseur wrote: »

A lot of people just wouldn't be comfortable lending money to family or friends.

sure, and lots would.

AnnyHallsal

dellas1979 wrote: »

Jesus...you post is verging on patronising.

He isnt the only one ever to be unemployed you know.
Obviously when people/families are in these situations, you think you are the only one who has ever gone throught it.

Its like the whole "first woman in Ireland to have a baby" syndrome.

Its been done a million times, you know.

I wasn't being patronising, I was sharing an experience that breaks my heart daily. Some men don't cope well with unemployment. Some don't make it.