Blackpool v Manchester United Match Thread 25/1/2011

niallo27

Drumpot wrote: »

United fans dont mind accepting when things go for them, the problem is that anytime things go against united its quickly forgotten and passed off as Karma . .

I remember United lost 1-0 to Chelsea last season. In that game, some of the decisions against United were criminal and ultimatley led to us losing that game (6 point swing) and we lost the league by a point. . Very little was made of it and United (to all their credit) got on with it.

Now imagine roles had been reversed . . I think you get the picture.

Well ill admit sometimes things go against utd, but im just saying they go for utd more than they do against, i dont see why utd fans take such offense at it

3hn2givr7mx1sc

L'prof wrote: »

Are you sure you've got the right word?

No.:P I put in "a slight bit" to cover myself.:pac:

Drumpot

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Sorry but your talking rubbish there ,

United got off on one tonight with the peno, but as I said earlier on in the thread you win some you loose some .

What . . Please do explain . . "Sorry but your talking rubbish there" simply suggests you didnt actually see that game . .

As you found out with the Tooth fairy and Santa , I hate to be the person to be putting you straight on your very shoddy memory of this game in question, but yes, its another one you can add to your "but I really wanted to believe it was so" life lessons. And this ones for free . .

niallo27

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You do understand the term ABU don't you?

Anyone But United.

It would still fit into the category of Hating United.

Are all utd fans ABLs then

Divorce Referendum

niallo27 wrote: »

Are all utd fans ABLs then

No i love Leicester City:)

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

Well ill admit sometimes things go against utd, but im just saying they go for utd more than they do against, i dont see why utd fans take such offense at it

It's quite simple really. Bitter lemons use it as some kind of "proof" that United aren't very good and are undeserving of their success, rather than just show a bit of spine and credibility and give a team credit for their success. It makes them look pathetic.

Tbh, it was a penalty, but as Steve McManaman said (no, not when he said it wasn't a penalty ) United could have scored 4. You never know what would have happened. They might have missed the penalty. It does happen you know!

niallo27

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Super super result. I thought it was going to be another Burnley again but instead it was almost like the Fulham result a few years ago when Ronnie snatched the winner.

Giggs and Hernandez made an unbelieveable difference. Hernandez alone has repaid his transfer fee tenfold already - gem of a player to have.

Worries - we looked shaky in defence at times, particularly from set pieces; Gibson not up to the pace of our game at all; hopefully Rafael's injury isn't too bad.

Aside from that perfect result for us - a kick up the arse without losing and should deflate our rivals. Love the ****e people are coming out with on here.. "mwaaah ye get referee decisions nobody does.. like.. like 4 years ago..".

We're ****e and we're top the league!!

No stoke, west brom and blackpool were mentioned from this season, you could mention spurs and arsenal but i dont think it would have affected the game

KeithAFC

Well done Utd. You obviously deserved it. Blackpool probably should of had a penalty but at the end of the day, the defending was criminal and if your defending a 2 goal lead, never mind one goal, you can't defend like that and allow such easy goals.

eagle eye

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You do understand the term ABU don't you?

Anyone But United.

It would still fit into the category of Hating United.

But their hate is not exclusive to United. Liverpool fans hate Everton too. Leeds fans hate Bradford. Chelsea fans hate Arsenal.

L'prof

baz2009 wrote: »

No.:P I put in "a slight bit" to cover myself.:pac:

Haha, fair enough!

I didn't see the interview or hear what he said, but is xenophobia what you were looking for?

K-9

Drumpot wrote: »

United fans dont mind accepting when things go for them, the problem is that anytime things go against united its quickly forgotten and passed off as Karma . .

I remember United lost 1-0 to Chelsea last season. In that game, some of the decisions against United were criminal and ultimatley led to us losing that game (6 point swing) and we lost the league by a point. . Very little was made of it and United (to all their credit) got on with it.

Now imagine roles had been reversed . . I think you get the picture.

Some United fans don't accept it, plenty still go on about the Chelsea game, you'll see it in the run up to the Chelsea game in March.

Anyway every club has its retarded supporters, no club has a monopoly on that or are better or less biased. What club you support is irrelevant.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

It's quite simple really. Bitter lemons use it as some kind of "proof" that United aren't very good and are undeserving of their success, rather than just show a bit of spine and credibility and give a team credit for their success. It makes them look pathetic.

Tbh, it was a penalty, but as Steve McManaman said (no, not when he said it wasn't a penalty ) United could have scored 4. You never know what would have happened. They might have missed the penalty. It does happen you know!

Well as i said before im a jealous lemon not a bitter one

3hn2givr7mx1sc

L'prof wrote: »

Haha, fair enough!

I didn't see the interview or hear what he said, but is xenophobia what you were looking for?

It's certainly closer to what he said than racism.:pac:
He basically called the French rude.:P

Drumpot

niallo27 wrote: »

Well ill admit sometimes things go against utd, but im just saying they go for utd more than they do against, i dont see why utd fans take such offense at it

No more so then all the top teams - Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Liverpool , Barca, Madrid . .

What annoys united fans is that it seems to anger most "neutral" fans more when United get a decision.

The season that Rafa had his rant about United getting every decision etc, Liverpool played against 10 men more then any other team (played 4 or 5 of their games against the top 4 teams against 10 men). Liverpool also had more penalties given to them then any team that season, some of them very questionable (Stevie G you balerina mo fo), particularly on front of the Kop. I remember games v Hull and Wigan where Liverpool were dead and dodgy reds, offisde goals and penalties got them right back into the games . .

What was funny was that this didnt seem to annoy anybody as people just wanted to see United "knocked off their perch". . Its no differant now and will not change until the United success has stopped. People just love to make more out of incidents that go uniteds way and are not interested in objectively discussing what goes for and against United.

Id rather be the fan defending his team against Bitterness then the fan that only has their bitterness. Doesnt mean United fans should role over and take some of the complete and utter tosh thats constantly thrown at the team to try and undermine their success . .

Bigger teams nearly always get more decisions against smaller ones, its certainly not limited to United and I will argue we get no more then teams of similar stature.

I am a reasonable person when I am talking to reasonable people . .

pistolpetes11

Drumpot wrote: »

What . . Please do rhetort . . "Sorry but your talking rubbish there" simply suggests you didnt actually see that game . .

As you found out with the Tooth fairy and Santa from your folks, I hate to be the person to be putting you straight on your very shoddy memory of this game in question, but yes, its another one you can add to your "but I really wanted to believe it was so" life lessons. And this ones for free . .

Again you are talking Rubbish

I did see the game , got a a great view of it actually .

Best team won , sure with another 2 games to play against you hopefully you will collapse again, although maybe not if you drop Rooney and Giggs keeps pulling in brilliant performances.

Great result tonight from not a great performance, but thats something that Man U are specialists at , when not playing well still grinding out a result and for that reason they are in Pole position for a 19th championship, unfortunately deservedly so .

Had a horrible feeling in my gut that you would do it tonight and laid blackpool on Bet fair for a nice few quid , kinda softened the blow for me.

As for the tooth fairy hard luck on that one.

L'prof

baz2009 wrote: »

It's certainly closer to what he said than racism.:pac:
He basically called the French rude.:P

Haha, shame on him so...the rude little so and so!

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Divorce Referendum wrote: »

No i love Leicester City:)

Would they not be called ABCs?:D

RasTa

TFF4 rubbish makes it that much sweeter, cock is out sir my cock is out.

UnitedIrishman

niallo27 wrote: »

No stoke, west brom and blackpool were mentioned from this season, you could mention spurs and arsenal but i dont think it would have affected the game

Some mentioned games from ten years ago nearly in fairness.

We get some big calls, some big calls go against us. It's not like there's an exact science to how many decisions are meant to go the way of each team.

DOC09UNAM

niallo27 wrote: »

Are all utd fans ABLs then

No, because Liverpool aren't a realistic title winning team.


And to Eagle Eye, the point is, if you asked any of them "Who do you want to see win the Premiership this year?"

The ones who answer "Anyone But United", are the ABU's.

Not that hard to work out.

bazual

baz2009 wrote: »

It's certainly closer to what he said than racism.:pac:
He basically called the French rude.:P

Nah, don't think so, he said he didn't know if was a French thing that Houllier had come out and publicly declared interest in Charlie Adam as the norm in England would be to say nothing until the player is bought and at the club. Obviously meant French football from the context.

Drumpot

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Again you are talking Rubbish

I did see the game , got a a great view of it actually .

Best team won , sure with another 2 games to play against you hopefully you will collapse again, although maybe not if you drop Rooney and Giggs keeps pulling in brilliant performances.

Great result tonight from not a great performance, but thats something that Man U are specialists at , when not playing well still grinding out a result and for that reason they are in Pole position for a 19th championship, unfortunately deservedly so .

Had a horrible feeling in my gut that you would do it tonight and laid blackpool on Bet fair for a nice few quid , kinda softened the blow for me.

As for the tooth fairy hard luck on that one.

Looks like your on your own pal . . Like I said, what you want to be true and what is actually true can sometimes be two differant things . .

Not only were United the better team, but the decisions that went against them were ridonkulous . . thanks for allowing me this opportunity to show the folly of your memory . . Jog on . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8343319.stm


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/08/chelsea-manchester-united-live

Secondly – and I should make it clear that I don't support United, or any Premier League team for that matter – a truly unjust result. Nothing much was made of the early offside decision that denied Rooney an easy chance, but that and the penalty were two game-changing decisions that the referee (and his team) got wrong. He got most other decisions wrong too. I'm not sure about the free-kick that led to the goal – I was typing when it happened – but Fletcher did get the ball, and Martin Atkinson got everything else wrong, so I guess that's the way I'm leaning. United played really well, did 70% of the attacking, had the game's outstanding players in Fletcher, Carrick and Valencia and simply shouldn't have been beaten. (And Anelka won the man of the match award – another unjust decision!)

So there you go. Ba
d luck United, but swings and roundabouts and all that, eh?

niallo27

Drumpot wrote: »

No more so then all the top teams - Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Liverpool , Barca, Madrid . .

What annoys united fans is that it seems to anger most "neutral" fans more when United get a decision.

The season that Rafa had his rant about United getting every decision etc, Liverpool played against 10 men more then any other team (played 4 or 5 of their games against the top 4 teams against 10 men). Liverpool also had more penalties given to them then any team that season, some of them very questionable (Stevie G you balerina mo fo), particularly on front of the Kop. I remember games v Hull and Wigan where Liverpool were dead and dodgy reds, offisde goals and penalties got them right back into the games . .

What was funny was that this didnt seem to annoy anybody as people just wanted to see United "knocked off their perch". . Its no differant now and will not change until the United success has stopped. People just love to make more out of incidents that go uniteds way and are not interested in objectively discussing what goes for and against United.

Id rather be the fan defending his team against Bitterness then the fan that only has their bitterness. Doesnt mean United fans should role over and take some of the complete and utter tosh thats constantly thrown at the team to try and undermine their success . .

Bigger teams nearly always get more decisions against smaller ones, its certainly not limited to United and I will argue we get no more then teams of similar stature.

I am a reasonable person when I am talking to reasonable people . .

So are you saying Rafa rant as you called it actually worked and it influenced refs

jacool

Drumpot wrote: »

Bigger teams nearly always get more decisions against smaller ones, its certainly not limited to United and I will argue we get no more then teams of similar stature.

Appears to be true. Only thing is we don't get to see West Ham v Wigan and Stoke v Sunderland to see if there are biases in those games. Because the focus is on the top of the table, every decision seems to be analysed to the nth degree.

Drumpot wrote: »

I am a reasonable person when I am talking to reasonable people . .

This one I may not see as being quite so true, although if it based on what you constitute as reasonable, then maybe it is!

niallo27

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

No, because Liverpool aren't a realistic title winning team.


And to Eagle Eye, the point is, if you asked any of them "Who do you want to see win the Premiership this year?"

The ones who answer "Anyone But United", are the ABU's.

Not that hard to work out.

I dont like to see everton win any game and there not a title winning team, i would say i hate everton a lot more than i hate utd, tbh i dont even hate utd anymore

Drumpot

niallo27 wrote: »

So are you saying Rafa rant as you called it actually worked and it influenced refs

No they were getting dodgy decisions long before that, Rafa's rant was in Jan . .

Liverpool were serious contenders that season ,its no coincidence that it was the same season that they couldnt of gotten more questionable decisions their way if they tried . .

ITT-Pat

I love when United hammer a team like they did on Saturday but every once in a while, there's no harm in a win that contained a controversial decision. I can't help also loving when this happens because when it does people like thanx for the fish get all stressed out with their moaning and all I have to do is show them my Fr. Dick Byrne impression

pistolpetes11

Drumpot wrote: »

Looks like your on your own pal . . Like I said, what you want to be true and what is actually true can sometimes be two differant things . .

Not only were United the better team, but the decisions that went against them were ridonkulous . . thanks for allowing me this opportunity to show the folly of your memory . . Jog on . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8343319.stm


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/08/chelsea-manchester-united-live

Secondly – and I should make it clear that I don't support United, or any Premier League team for that matter – a truly unjust result. Nothing much was made of the early offside decision that denied Rooney an easy chance, but that and the penalty were two game-changing decisions that the referee (and his team) got wrong. He got most other decisions wrong too. I'm not sure about the free-kick that led to the goal – I was typing when it happened – but Fletcher did get the ball, and Martin Atkinson got everything else wrong, so I guess that's the way I'm leaning. United played really well, did 70% of the attacking, had the game's outstanding players in Fletcher, Carrick and Valencia and simply shouldn't have been beaten. (And Anelka won the man of the match award – another unjust decision!)

So there you go. Ba
d luck United, but swings and roundabouts and all that, eh?

I have great memories of the game , more so than some

Everyone is entitled to there own viewpoint , I wont deny you yours.

"Jog On" last time I heard that was over at the bridge , your not cockney are you ?

Drumpot

jacool wrote: »

Appears to be true. Only thing is we don't get to see West Ham v Wigan and Stoke v Sunderland to see if there are biases in those games. Because the focus is on the top of the table, every decision seems to be analysed to the nth degree.


This one I may not see as being quite so true, although if it based on what you constitute as reasonable, then maybe it is!

If you think this post debunked mine, then Im not sure what sort of reply you expect.

You disagree with me, that much we have established, now the mystery is why and what facts or rational you have to question my perception of reason . .

Or perhaps you think (like many in all fairness) that because you think something is so, that it automatically trumps any rational debate on a topic that you differ with people on ?

niallo27

Drumpot wrote: »

No they were getting dodgy decisions long before that, Rafa's rant was in Jan . .

Liverpool were serious contenders that season ,its no coincidence that it was the same season that they couldnt of gotten more questionable decisions their way if they tried . .

Yes and it was brilliant, refs were bottling it at anfield, and giving liverpool everything and it made them serious contenders, exactly what utd get every year

Drumpot

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

I have great memories of the game , more so than some

Everyone is entitled to there own viewpoint , I wont deny you yours.

"Jog On" last time I heard that was over at the bridge , your not cockney are you ?

I dont deny your "viewpoint", I just cant understand that you Adam and eve it .

Drumpot

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes and it was brilliant, refs were bottling it at anfield, and giving liverpool everything and it made them serious contenders, exactly what utd get every year

And there was the same "uproar" about it that season ? Emm . No . Your just awknowledging it now to support your argument.

If united had a season like Liverpools in terms of ref decisions, there would of been calls for the Fraud squad !

In Summary - Double Standards my friend . Great big, in your face Double Standards . .

SlickRic

Ryan Giggs is awesome.

that is all.

Pro. F

Blackpool should have had a penalty tonight. The ref was shíte and I think favoured United in a few decisions. But United fully deserve to be at the top of the table, as they always do. They are clinical and fearless and they make their own luck.

Anybody who wants to claim that referees favouring United earns them x amount of points a year needs to back it up with a serious bit of analysis. Talking about a few dodgy decisions which go for the team without also counting up all the dodgy decisions which go against them, and how the dodgy decisions work out for their title rivals, is not a properly formed argument. It's just so much hot air blown out of haters' asses.

The truth is the resolve, the skill and the clinical finishing which made the United come back tonight was very very impressive. It was typical United and it's been like that for years. All other teams in the league should be frightened of this side. All the haters should prepare themselves for plenty more hurt still to come.

SlickRic

oh, and everyone gets shít decisions.

EVERYONE.

the fúcking annoying thing about Utd is they take advantage, so you notice it more.

it really is that simple.

niallo27

Drumpot wrote: »

And there was the same "uproar" about it that season ? Emm . No . Your just awknowledging it now to support your argument.

If united had a season like Liverpools in terms of ref decisions, there would of been calls for the Fraud squad !

In Summary - Double Standards my friend . Great big, in your face Double Standards . .

I always said i was jealous and wish liverpool got the decisions utd get, how is it double standards

Pro. F

SlickRic wrote: »

oh, and everyone gets shít decisions.

EVERYONE.

the fúcking annoying thing about Utd is they take advantage, so you notice it more.

it really is that simple.

It really is.

I'm 29. All I've every known are United sides managed by Fergie. And I have never really lacked faith that we can overcome any particular deficit in a match. As long as we are playing anyway normally, as the clock ticks on towards full time and we are some annoying number of goals down I always have that feeling - if we get some sort of chance, or some sort of break, the team can take advantage of it. It's easy to believe it because I've seen it happen again and again and again.

wheres me jumpa

Any update on Rafael?

SlickRic

niallo27 wrote: »

I always said i was jealous and wish liverpool got the decisions utd get, how is it double standards

please stop embarrassing us Liverpool fans.

we weren't even involved in the game.

just leave it.

you should be in here wishing we sign Adam after that 1st half display in particular. i only saw highlights, but good God he looks the real deal.

Mr.Crinklewood

SlickRic wrote: »

please stop embarrassing us Liverpool fans.

we weren't even involved in the game.

just leave it.

you should be in here wishing we sign Adam after that 1st half display in particular. i only saw highlights, but good God he looks the real deal.

Going by the posts i reckon someone has hijacked his account.

Mars Bar

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Going by the posts i reckon someone has hijacked his account.

You reckon that's not Niallo posting?

Those posts read like Niallo to me.

Mr.Crinklewood

mars bar wrote: »

You reckon that's not Niallo posting?

Those posts read like Niallo to me.

Sarcasm was never my good point.

Mr.Crinklewood

mars bar wrote: »

You reckon that's not Niallo posting?

Those posts read like Niallo to me.

Sarcasm was never my good point.


FAO Niallo...Ken Dodd is currently on UTV.

Mars Bar

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Sarcasm was never my good point.

That's what smileys are for!

Mr.Crinklewood

wheres me jumpa wrote: »

Any update on Rafael?

Not really. Concussion.

...and there are some strange people out there.

Mr.Crinklewood

mars bar wrote: »

That's what smileys are for!

I am lazy..

niallo27

SlickRic wrote: »

please stop embarrassing us Liverpool fans.

we weren't even involved in the game.

just leave it.

you should be in here wishing we sign Adam after that 1st half display in particular. i only saw highlights, but good God he looks the real deal.

Wheres that **** coming from, you seem more interested in impressing utd fans than your own team

SlickRic

niallo27 wrote: »

Wheres that **** coming from, you seem more interested in impressing utd fans than your own team

firstly, this isn't a Liverpool thread in any way, so my team has nothing to do with this thread.

secondly, i fúcking hate Utd.

you have no idea.

i've put up with this for the last 18 years of my life.

they know i despise them.

but i'm not going to spend my time bemoaning shít decisions.

it's a waste of time.

and you pretend other teams don't get any luck.

if this was a Utd v Liverpool thread (don't you dare create one), then i'd maybe tolerate it, entertain it, and take part in it. but it's not.

take it from someone whose put up with them for the last 2 decades. just let it go. their time will come once Fergie goes

there comes a time when you just have to admire them, it came for me a few years ago. i gave up bítching about them because it wasn't worth my time or energy. it is what it is.

i tell other Liverpool fans the same thing. it's not about impressing any Utd fans. i couldn't give 2 shítes.

it's about remaining a bit dignified for me to be honest.

Mars Bar

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Not really. Concussion.

...and there are some strange people out there.

I didn't think Rafael was married...

He said in an interview with the Guardian that he isn't as "introverted" as his brother and that's why he wasn't married yet!

Mr.Crinklewood

mars bar wrote: »

I didn't think Rafael was married...

He said in an interview with the Guardian that he isn't as "introverted" as his brother and that's why he wasn't married yet!

Think you are right there.