The Offside Rule - As explained by The Star

jrochie

Hi all,

I was flicking through tuesday's paper at work yesterday and had a look at the article about the Keys & Gray situation. In a little black box at the bottom of the page was a paragraph defining what the rule actually was. I've got to say it was the mos bizarre explanation I've ever seen and if its correct then I've a feeling quite a lot of people have no idea what the rule is!

A player is considered to be in an offside position if they are in front of the ball when it is played and if there are less than two defending players closer to the opposing team goal line than he or she is.

So then to remain onside, an attacking player must always have two players of the opposing team in front of or level with him or her when the ball is played

Since when has it been 2 players?!?!?

Nunu

Goalkeepers usually the other;)

sternn

One of the "players" is the goalkeeper.

Seamu$

jrochie wrote: »

Since when has it been 2 players?!?!?

The goalkeeper is generally considered a player!

Oops, beaten to it...twice.

Liam O

jrochie wrote: »

Since when has it been 2 players?!?!?

since always

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lol

eZe^

jrochie wrote: »

Hi all,

I was flicking through tuesday's paper at work yesterday and had a look at the article about the Keys & Gray situation. In a little black box at the bottom of the page was a paragraph defining what the rule actually was. I've got to say it was the mos bizarre explanation I've ever seen and if its correct then I've a feeling quite a lot of people have no idea what the rule is!



Since when has it been 2 players?!?!?

There was a real good example of this in the opening game at SA last summer. There was a goal disallowed for Mexico when the game was at 1-1, a few of my friends were freaking out as there was a defender on the post (it was a corner). It was the right call though, as the goal keeper was ahead of the attack, and the rule states there must be two opposition players between you and the goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2itUiCbcfFc

Even the commentator gets it wrong. Amazing that there's definitely professional footballers out there who don't know that.

dan1895

The goalkeeper is usually the other player but thats not always the case.
For example if the keepre goes up for a corner and there is a counter attack.
Reminds me of Longfords winner against Waterford in the cup final 5 or 6 years ago but no one noticed he was a mile offside as there was a defender back while the keeper had gone up for a corner.

CiaranC

Jesus ****ing christ

dan1895

It was Pats the year before

PHB

I've always thought that rule should be changed. I don't think what happened in the World Cup should be something we discourage.

Jax Teller

You're obviously a woman It's ok

jrochie

I obviously know as much as Carlos Vela so from the clip, i can live with that!

5starpool

Even Picard isn't facepalmish enough for this.

GavRedKing

jrochie wrote: »

Hi all,

I was flicking through tuesday's paper at work yesterday and had a look at the article about the Keys & Gray situation. In a little black box at the bottom of the page was a paragraph defining what the rule actually was. I've got to say it was the mos bizarre explanation I've ever seen and if its correct then I've a feeling quite a lot of people have no idea what the rule is!



Since when has it been 2 players?!?!?

:eek: :pac:

bamboozling

jrochie wrote: »

Hi all,

I was flicking through tuesday's paper at work yesterday and had a look at the article about the Keys & Gray situation. In a little black box at the bottom of the page was a paragraph defining what the rule actually was. I've got to say it was the mos bizarre explanation I've ever seen and if its correct then I've a feeling quite a lot of people have no idea what the rule is!



Since when has it been 2 players?!?!?

Brilliant! I love the way you try to display your knowledge and make a fool out of the Star yet ending up making an absolute fool out of yourself in the process.

Well done.

jrochie

are you always this helpful bamboozling?

MrStuffins

It's an easy mistake to make, lay off the OP for God sake!

I, for one, wouldn't say "2 players" whilst explaining the offside rule to someone who didnt know it. It makes it a tad more confusing. I'd say "1 player and the 'keeper". Although this isn't necessarily the case, it would be a good starting point. An offside decision where the keeper is behind the play is rare, and all it would take is one of these instances for the person to witness to learn that the 'keeper in my scenario can be substituted with any other player.

The stick being given to the OP here reminds me of 12 year olds sitting around in school picking on the one kid who thought GAA was better than football.

DH2K9

I bet you're seriously regretting creating this thread instead of googling it.

bamboozling

PHB wrote: »

I've always thought that rule should be changed. I don't think what happened in the World Cup should be something we discourage.

And change it to what exactly? 1 player or 3 players? Because 3 players didn't work pre 1925 and I'd guarantee that 1 player most definitely won't work as you'd just have players standing in the penalty area constantly, changing the game as a whole.

UpTheSlashers

Fairly embarrassing moment for the commentator in that video

Twin-go

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's an easy mistake to make, lay off the OP for God sake!

I, for one, wouldn't say "2 players" whilst explaining the offside rule to someone who didnt know it. It makes it a tad more confusing. I'd say "1 player and the 'keeper". Although this isn't necessarily the case, it would be a good starting point. An offside decision where the keeper is behind the play is rare, and all it would take is one of these instances for the person to witness to learn that the 'keeper in my scenario can be substituted with any other player.

The stick being given to the OP here reminds me of 12 year olds sitting around in school picking on the one kid who thought GAA was better than football.

Rare or not your explaination is incorrect.:rolleyes:

OP is getting stick because they assumed instead of check the facts before they posted.

Dolph Starbeam

Twin-go wrote: »

OP is getting stick because they assumed instead of check the facts before they posted.

All that he assumed was that a quiet a few people would not know that that is the exact rule, he's right, a lot of people don't know the exact ruling as has been shown in the couple videos posted. No need for the op getting stick at all, some people :rolleyes:

newballsplease

Think everyone on here should take up referring, since you all know the rules inside out and never make mistakes.:rolleyes:

Funkfield

I might be wrong, but....


..I think one of the players referred to is in fact the goalkeeper.

:cool:

jrochie

thanks MOG7.

I've been playing District League soccer for 7 years, done a couple of basic training courses, never once has this been pointed out and the article in the star was the first time I've ever seen or heard the rule explained this way. And from the video's posted, only the Ref and linesman in the world cup game appeared to be aware of it.

Xavi6

I LOVE the offside rule. Provides so much entertainment.

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newballsplease wrote: »

Think everyone on here should take up referring, since you all know the rules inside out and never make mistakes.:rolleyes:

I did :cool:

Twin-go

newballsplease wrote: »

Think everyone on here should take up referring, since you all know the rules inside out and never make mistakes.:rolleyes:

I am a Grade 2 Referee!!

Helix

this is quite possibly the best thread ive ever seen in soccer

Sappy404

dan1895 wrote: »

It was Pats the year before

I was at that match. It's bad enough when a Boards.ie user doesn't know the rule, but when a referee, two assistants, a commentator and an analyst don't see it, it really is embarrassing, even if it didn't really change the result.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

MrStuffins

Twin-go wrote: »

Rare or not your explaination is incorrect.:rolleyes:

OP is getting stick because they assumed instead of check the facts before they posted.

MrStuffins wrote: »

I, for one, wouldn't say "2 players" whilst explaining the offside rule to someone who didnt know it. It makes it a tad more confusing. I'd say "1 player and the 'keeper". Although this isn't necessarily the case, it would be a good starting point.

Funny, maybe you should get stick for not comprehanding my post.

if you had, you'd know there was no need to point out that my explanation is incorrect. :rolleyes:

Twin-go

MrStuffins wrote: »

Funny, maybe you should get stick for not comprehanding my post.

if you had, you'd know there was no need to point out that my explanation is incorrect. :rolleyes:

I comprehended your post correctly. I was pointing out the explanation you were giving the less knowledgeable was incorrect. This just adds to the missunderstandings of the rule. Why not when explaining the off-side rule you tell the the correct rule as you do know it. Instead of telling them 1 player and the goal keeper, you say 2 players where the goal keeper is considered a player. It's not that hard.

MrStuffins

Twin-go wrote: »

I comprehended your post correctly. I was pointing out the explanation you were giving the less knowledgeable was incorrect. This just adds to the missunderstandings of the rule. Why not when explaining the off-side rule you tell the the correct rule as you do know it. Instead of telling them 1 player and the goal keeper, you say 2 players where the goal keeper is considered a player. It's not that hard.

No it's not that hard, but what you must understand is, if someone has been watching football already and doesn't know the offside rule, they're gonna be a little slow anyway aren't they?

No point complicating things! Idiots are people too!

Coming soon to a thread near you......Why do players from the same team wear the same coloured jersey?

dougal

rarnes1 wrote: »

Coming soon to a thread near you......Why do players from the same team wear the same coloured jersey?

And closely followed by Why is that guy in the green jersey allowed to pick the ball up - except when it's kicked back to him on purpose by one of his own team?

MrStuffins

flas

Sappy404 wrote: »

I was at that match. It's bad enough when a Boards.ie user doesn't know the rule, but when a referee, two assistants, a commentator and an analyst don't see it, it really is embarrassing, even if it didn't really change the result.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

that was a beautiful day!!

oldyouth

jrochie wrote: »

I've been playing District League soccer for 7 years, done a couple of basic training courses, never once has this been pointed out

Ah would ye stop. I'm not a young man any more and this could send me over the edge.

How can you play a game for so long and not know what you are doing???

Hammer Archer

Sappy404 wrote: »

I was at that match. It's bad enough when a Boards.ie user doesn't know the rule, but when a referee, two assistants, a commentator and an analyst don't see it, it really is embarrassing, even if it didn't really change the result.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

You can't be offside in your own half.

MrStuffins

Hammer Archer wrote: »

You can't be offside in your own half.

You can if it's from a throw-in!

bamboozling

Hammer Archer wrote: »

You can't be offside in your own half.

Indeed you are right. An absolutely spot on assessment of the offside rule from you there. I can't argue with it.

However in reference to the goal with which you initially posted you'll see on the video that the goalscorer was at least 5 yards inside the opposition half when the ball was played. That I can and will argue against.

ballsymchugh

dan1895 wrote: »

The goalkeeper is usually the other player but thats not always the case.
For example if the keepre goes up for a corner and there is a counter attack.
Reminds me of Longfords winner against Waterford in the cup final 5 or 6 years ago but no one noticed he was a mile offside as there was a defender back while the keeper had gone up for a corner.

for longford's second goal against waterford there were 2 balls on the pitch at the time. came from a throw in. it was a quality goal too, but play should've been stopped.
still though, two fai cups for the town. quality!!