Do you correct people if they call you British?

pow wow

56lcd wrote: »

maybe you missed out on geography classes at school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain

nothern Ireland is part of the united kingdom of britain and Ireland but northern Ireland is not part of britain.

your passport does not say british

It does however say 'Nationality: British' aswell as holders being referred to as British passport holders.

/pedantic retaliation.

KeithAFC

Jim wrote: »

As I said, British first and Irish second. I don't mean Irish in terms of tri colour etc. But rather that "I'm from Ireland, this is my home" Irish. Irish would mean something very different to those people. But always British first.

Well, i don't think many Unionists consider themselves Irish. I'd say a lot of them would put Ulster Scots before Irish. In Northern Ireland anyway.

prinz

Yes I do. Rarely has it happened with the person being serious though, usually it is someone having a laugh.

De Hipster

56lcd wrote: »

maybe you missed out on geography classes at school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain

nothern Ireland is part of the united kingdom of britain and Ireland but northern Ireland is not part of britain.

your passport does not say british

Thanks for the info...also see here

hondasam

It has never happened but If it did I would correct them. we mix up the polish and Lithuanian nationalities all the time.

Sisko

KeithAFC wrote: »

Well, i don't think many Unionists consider themselves Irish. I'd say a lot of them would put Ulster Scots before Irish. In Northern Ireland anyway.

Rofl, I guess said Unionists were born in Scotland then moved to northern Ireland then.

Ticktactoe

Ya i have but they are so thick they dont get it.

ejmaztec

I'm between a rock and a hard place, as I've got dual-nationality. I have to alternate, depending on which nationality is getting strung up by the balls by the locals in the relevant jurisdiction that day.

Fratton Fred

feelingstressed wrote: »

Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses according to some newspapers

If any of you achieve success and fame a British newspaper will probably claim you
Happened Colin Farrell I believe. And Limerick's favorite son Richard Harris

I think you'll find that Andy Murray gets called Scottish a lot more than Tim Herman used to get called English. This whole British when he wins, Scottish when he loses is a complete fancy.

Oh, you lot still keep claiming Arthur Guinness as Irish so I guess we are all guilty of that.

who the fug

Depends on the money

cutymonalisa

This just happened to me over Xmas while in Asia. There was this really annoying Canadian lady in her 60's on a tour I did - a teacher in an International School in Japan no less. After being in her company over some 2 weeks she asks me on the last evening to explain the 'British Isles' to her. She was convinced Ireland was part of the UK and I was British. It came as news to her that Ireland is a seperate soverign state - I even showed her my passport and she laughted really condecendingly and said 'but your still really British right?' Agggggghhhhhhhhhhhh:mad:

KeithAFC

Sisko wrote: »

Rofl, I guess said Unionists were born in Scotland then moved to northern Ireland then.

Nope. Culture plays a big part in it. Many different elements to your nationality.

RichieC

If they're a yank I just call them Mexican pr*cks.

cardwizzard

Yeah I always correct people if they assume that. Keith is right a lot of people in the North consider themselves not Irish, but their not British either. Dual passports and all that. Northern Irish I suppose. Have never heard of a place called Ulster Scottish.

56lcd

KeithAFC wrote: »

Well, i don't think many Unionists consider themselves Irish. I'd say a lot of them would put Ulster Scots before Irish. In Northern Ireland anyway.

It does not matter what they consider themselves to be because the reality is that they are Northern Irish people that reside in the united kingdom og britain and northern Ireland.
you can only be british if you are from Scotland, Wales or England .....
there is no such flag as the british flag , there is the union jack which is the flag of the united kingdom of britain and Northern Ireland.

De Hipster

cutymonalisa wrote: »

This just happened to me over Xmas while in Asia. There was this really annoying Canadian lady in her 60's on a tour I did - a teacher in an International School in Japan no less. After being in her company over some 2 weeks she asks me on the last evening to explain the 'British Isles' to her. She was convinced Ireland was part of the UK and I was British. It came as news to her that Ireland is a seperate soverign state - I even showed her my passport and she laughted really condecendingly and said 'but your still really British right?' Agggggghhhhhhhhhhhh:mad:

You'd think she might understand considering that most Canadians just LOVE being referred to as American.

hondasam

Everyone know the Irish are well liked in other countries and definitely more liked than the British. Perhaps sometimes it is just the English language that makes them ask are you English.

Luxie

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I think you'll find that Andy Murray gets called Scottish a lot more than Tim Herman used to get called English. This whole British when he wins, Scottish when he loses is a complete fancy.

Oh, you lot still keep claiming Arthur Guinness as Irish so I guess we are all guilty of that.

Daniel Day-Lewis is a bit of a grey area as well.

mikemac

56lcd wrote: »

you can only be british if you are from Scotland, Wales or England .....
there is no such flag as the british flag , there is the union jack which is the flag of the united kingdom of britain and Northern Ireland.

I'm pretty sure it's called the Union flag

It's only the Union Jack when it's on a ship like the Royal Navy

DOC09UNAM

starbelgrade wrote: »

*Pop goes the can of worms*

Look who's back :rolleyes:

Lumen

56lcd wrote: »

you can only be british if you are from Scotland, Wales or England .....

That's simply not true. "British" refers to non-identical geographical and political entities.

Applying smartarse pedantry to ambiguous words is...something something.

Unless your subtle de-capitalisation of "British" has some underlying meaning I've missed.

blaze1

yup..

Im English not British

An tSaoi

There's a shocking amount of ignorance in this thread regarding the North. People there can choose to have Irish or British citizenship (or both), depending on which side they feel they draw their heritage from (if either).

They're not all Irish.

They're not all British.

They've not all got dual cizienship.

Even though it's not physically part of Britain, as long as they fill out the right form, they can have British citizenship just like anyone in England, Scotland or Wales. Ditto the Irish-leaning Northerners. It's their choice which nationality they consider themselves, regardless of borders or geography.

Come on lads, this is basic stuff.

KeithAFC

56lcd wrote: »

It does not matter what they consider themselves to be because the reality is that they are Northern Irish people that reside in the united kingdom og britain and northern Ireland.
you can only be british if you are from Scotland, Wales or England .....
there is no such flag as the british flag , there is the union jack which is the flag of the united kingdom of britain and Northern Ireland.

Yes i know. I fly the Union Flag from my house, the Ulster Banner, Ulster Scots banner. My culture and background is not Irish. Don't know what else to tell you.

blaze1

De Hipster wrote: »

You'd think she might understand considering that most Canadians just LOVE being referred to as American.

haha in the same way call aussies brits, they love that

De Hipster

56lcd wrote: »

you can only be british if you are from Scotland, Wales or England .....

Or hold a British Passport - what the document is called.

On 1 January 1983, upon the coming into force of the British Nationality Act 1981, every Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies became either a British Citizen, British Dependent Territories Citizen or British Overseas Citizen.

bonerm

Nah I only correct them if they call me Scottish.

sensibleken

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes i know. I fly the Union Flag from my house, the Ulster Banner, Ulster Scots banner. My culture and background is not Irish. Don't know what else to tell you.

you fly 3 banners from your house? and it the other guys who are called nationalists???

An tSaoi

Give it up 56lcd, you've been proved wrong.

jimthemental

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Oh, you lot still keep claiming Arthur Guinness as Irish so I guess we are all guilty of that.

Is that a racial slur by any chance?

Guinness was from Kildare and from a family with British roots, I'd say he'd be considered fairly Irish.

cardwizzard

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes i know. I fly the Union Flag from my house, the Ulster Banner, Ulster Scots banner. My culture and background is not Irish. Don't know what else to tell you.

Is the thread not about Irish people being called British? How come it has turned the other way?

KeithAFC

sensibleken wrote: »

you fly 3 banners from your house? and it the other guys who are called nationalists???

Whats wrong with that?

charlemont

KeithAFC wrote: »

Nope. I am British.

Of course you are, We were in Portugal having a few drinks with some Unionists from North Down and the funny thing was the English people with us in the bar would keep referring to us all as Irish, coming over **** talking about the Troubles, all in good humour though..


I was in Utrecht and some Dutch guy called me an English Mother****er and spat at me, I punched him quick and yelled I was Irish, No problem after that..

KeithAFC

cardwizzard wrote: »

Is the thread not about Irish people being called British? How come it has turned the other way?

Dunno. He kind of tried to dictate in the thread about nationality.

the_syco

KeithAFC wrote: »

You thought everyone in Northern Ireland thought of themselves as Irish? You only have to travel to Northern Ireland and you would see that isn't the case.

I have a rule: when in NI, I don't ask their nationality or their religion, as it usually offends. The only time I feel it's of any interest to me is if staying with friends in Belfast, is if the estate is nationalist or orange, as most of the places I've stayed at tend to be one extreme of another (either Falls road, or an estate as they so nicely put it "it was a troublesome spot 10 years ago, but it's quite now. Just don't mention you're Irish, as everyone claims to know an ex-UDA, or have been one"). That, and as my mate drives a car with a free state reg, so we gotta be careful.

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Used to get it in France quite a bit and then see a dramatic change in their attitude towards you once corrected

Aye. When asking a French person if they speak english, asking if they speak "english" will get a "no", and there'll be no rooms in the hotel. Asking if they speak "irelanda", you'll get a yes, and find that they/their mother/father/brother/sister/uncle/grandfather/cousin is/has holidayed/studied/worked in Ireland. Heck, we once asked someone to ring a taxi for us, and when he found out that we were Irish, he gave us a lift to our destination.

=-=

People have mistaken me for German/english/culchie/Nordic/etc. I usually correct them, and move on.

cardwizzard

KeithAFC wrote: »

Dunno. He kind of tried to dictate in the thread about nationality.

Fair enough. So do you think all people from the North are free to decide what nationality or whatever the want to be? Just curious no malice.

KeithAFC

charlemont wrote: »

Of course you are, We were in Portugal having a few drinks with some Unionists from North Down and the funny thing was the English people with us in the bar would keep referring to us all as Irish, coming over **** talking about the Troubles, all in good humour though..


I was in Utrecht and some Dutch guy called me an English Mother****er and spat at me, I punched him quick and yelled I was Irish, No problem after that..

The English are famous for that. Just ignore them.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Yeah I usually just say "I'm Irish''

To someone with basic English its a pretty easy mistake to make. A lot of Dutch have said its a lot easier to distinguish a Scot from an Englishman than an Englishman and an Irishman.

No one ever uses the term British apart from Americans who say it when they're referring to English people.

They also seem really disappointed when you explain you're not anti-English.

Fratton Fred

jimthemental wrote: »

Is that a racial slur by any chance?

Guinness was from Kildare and from a family with British roots, I'd say he'd be considered fairly Irish.

I dont know? It wasn't meant to be, unless lot has another meaning and the Irish have suddenly become a race.

Arthur Guinness was Anglo Irish and from what I can gather, the Anglo Irish are viewed in two ways.

We like him = He was Irish
We hate him = he was English.

KeithAFC

cardwizzard wrote: »

Fair enough. So do you think all people from the North are free to decide what nationality or whatever the want to be? Just curious no malice.

Yeah. I don't see why not.

Gunsfortoys

cardwizzard wrote: »

Fair enough. So do you think all people from the North are free to decide what nationality or whatever the want to be? Just curious no malice.

Being from N.I. myself, I don't mind people asking me my religion, I say i'm atheist, but have friends on both sides of the "fence".

Keith there is in a very small minority, as the majority of N.I citizens do not think the way he does anymore.

cardwizzard

Fair play, its just that I don't understand your reasons, nothing personal. You fly the flags, probably march etc etc, and you say its a culture. How is it, please explain. It's so different from the rest of us( i say that lightly) I just don't get it never have.

Jonah42

I'm from Donegal and I get asked if I'm Scottish when i go down the country sometimes.

I've been asked several times in southern Leinster and Munster if we use the euro in Donegal. Shocking.

Viper_JB

I would generally, but mostly so people don't spit on my food when on holidays.

De Hipster

cardwizzard wrote: »

Fair enough. So do you think all people from the North are free to decide what nationality or whatever the want to be? Just curious no malice.

The reality is that NI citizens have (by birth) the automatic right to dual nationality, however there is currently no single document to accommodate this & therefore NI citizens opt for either British or Irish nationality in document form.

charlemont

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes i know. I fly the Union Flag from my house, the Ulster Banner, Ulster Scots banner. My culture and background is not Irish. Don't know what else to tell you.

O.M.G, Every post of yours just gets better, Thats hilarious, Ill be breaking out laughing all day thinking of those banners. Your off your game, Either that or your just a stoner getting a great laugh out of this. I suppose the house is decorated in pictures of "her majesty".

By the way iv only a small Tricolour in my bedroom and the picture "Men of The South" (IRA Flying Column) in my hallway.

KeithAFC

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Yeah I usually just say "I'm Irish''

To someone with basic English its a pretty easy mistake to make. A lot of Dutch have said its a lot easier to distinguish a Scot from an Englishman than an Englishman and an Irishman.

No one ever uses the term British apart from Americans who say it when they're referring to English people.

They also seem really disappointed when you explain you're not anti-English.

English people bring that upon themselves.

cardwizzard

De Hipster wrote: »

The reality is that NI citizens have (by birth) the automatic right to dual nationality, however there is currently no single document to accommodate this & therefore NI citizens opt for either British or Irish nationality in document form.

Wasn't talking about any offical papers just in general. Thanks for the lesson, but I kinda new that being from Derry.

oppenheimer1

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I dont know? It wasn't meant to be, unless lot has another meaning and the Irish have suddenly become a race.

Arthur Guinness was Anglo Irish and from what I can gather, the Anglo Irish are viewed in two ways.

We like him = He was Irish
We hate him = he was English.

what they are viewed as and what they actually are, is completely different.
Guinness was irish and so is terry wogan whether we like it or not!

KeithAFC

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Being from N.I. myself, I don't mind people asking me my religion, I say i'm atheist, but have friends on both sides of the "fence".

Keith there is in a very small minority, as the majority of N.I citizens do not think the way he does anymore.

I think you will find that is a pretty big majority. But don't let that get in the way of your disinformation.

O.M.G, Every post of yours just gets better, Thats hilarious, Ill be breaking out laughing all day thinking of those banners. Your off your game, Either that or your just a stoner getting a great laugh out of this. I suppose the house is decorated in pictures of "her majesty".

By the way iv only a small Tricolour in my bedroom and the picture "Men of The South" (IRA Flying Column) in my hallway.

I like them. . I take them down as well to wash them and put them back up again. I hate dirty flags.