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Media bias?

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  • #52
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Nodin wrote: »
    There were no caveats re it being confined to Israel, or a tourist, or a mugging. This is a tangent we went on by your comments....

    I think for any reasonable person reading what I was posting it was clear that I was referring to the Israeli police and justice system dealing with a murder in Israeli and the P.A./Hamas police and justice system dealing with a murder in their areas. I was not trying to argue about how effective the PA would be at convicting a criminal for a crime in Tel Aviv or how effective the Israelis would be at prosecuting a crime in Ramallah.

    I was referring to how confident I'd be in each jurisdiction at a murder being dealt with by the respective justice systems. I know this might be too much for you to get your head around, but there are crimes outside of the Palestinian/Israeli struggle, but there are.


  • #53
    marcsignal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Interesting John Pilger doco about 'embedded journalism' in conflict hot spots.
    Touches on reporting in the ME @ 1:03:00
    It appears that in many cases, journalists can't tell the truth. :(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8SrRTEW338


  • #54
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    I think for any reasonable person reading what I was posting it was clear that I was referring to the Israeli police and justice system dealing with a murder in Israeli and the P.A./Hamas police and justice system dealing with a murder in their areas..

    No, any reasonable person would have read what you'd written
    If a friend or family member was murdered in Israel or in West Bank/Gaza, yeah I'd have more faith in the Israelis to catch and prosecute the killer

    If your friend of family member was killed by the IDF, you'd have very little reason to assume that, and none if they were Palestinian.

    And of course, your initial comment, which brought about this nonsense
    prinz wrote: »
    The settlers will more than likely be held to account for their actions

    is incorrect.


  • #55
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, any reasonable person would have read what you'd written If your friend of family member was killed by the IDF, you'd have very little reason to assume that, and none if they were Palestinian..

    Except I never mentioned the IDF in that post you just quoted, you made that jump all by yourself. When you hear of people being murdered do you automatically assume it's the work of the army/ gardaí? I don't.


  • #56
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    Except I never mentioned the IDF in that post you just quoted, you made that jump all by yourself. When you hear of people being murdered do you automatically assume it's the work of the army/ gardaí? I don't.

    Dear o dear. You stated
    If a friend or family member was murdered in Israel or in West Bank/Gaza, yeah I'd have more faith in the Israelis to catch and prosecute the killer

    to which I replied "If your friend of family member was killed by the IDF, you'd have very little reason to assume that, and none if they were Palestinian." which, given that the underlying theme and argument is the lack of impartiality in the Israeli prosecution of crimes, specifically those committed by settlers, is a logical thing to point out.


  • #57
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Dear o dear..

    I know.
    Nodin wrote: »
    to which I replied "If your friend of family member was killed by the IDF, you'd have very little reason to assume that, and none if they were Palestinian." which, given that the underlying theme and argument is the lack of impartiality in the Israeli prosecution of crimes, specifically those committed by settlers, is a logical thing to point out.

    In other words you ignore the actual point and revert back to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and "IDF R EVUL" mantra.


  • #58
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    I know.

    In other words you ignore the actual point and revert back to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and "IDF R EVUL" mantra.

    No, I'm referring to the bias, your ignorance of which, and failure to admit to same, brought about the last 3 or so pages of attempted goal post shifts, straw men and increasing desparation on your part.

    I might add that everything that I've stated here is backed up by research from B'tselem, Yesh Din, Hamoked, HRW and Amnesty, so a bit less of the "IDF.....mantra" nonsense please.


  • #59
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, I'm referring to the bias, your ignorance of which, and failure to admit to same, brought about the last 3 or so pages of attempted goal post shifts, straw men and increasing desparation on your part..

    There hasn't been any of that but nevermind, usual tactics.
    Nodin wrote: »
    I might add that everything that I've stated here is backed up by research from B'tselem, Yesh Din, Hamoked, HRW and Amnesty, so a bit less of the "IDF.....mantra" nonsense please.

    Well that's exactly what it is when you insist on reverting back to the IDF when I have made clear I wasn't referring to someone being murdered by the IDF in the hypothetical.


  • #60
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prinz wrote: »
    There hasn't been any of that but nevermind, usual tactics.



    Well that's exactly what it is when you insist on reverting back to the IDF when I have made clear I wasn't referring to someone being murdered by the IDF in the hypothetical.

    No, I was referring - as I clearly stated - to the bias, which is at the root of the problem and why your initial claim was wrong. A claim that will remain wrong, even if you do think that getting the last post in will change the fact.


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  • #61
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    BBC are not so bad

    After living in the states for a few years you see serious propaganda from the Jewish run large TV networks.. FOX news when it does spare a few lines to world news tell a completely different story to the BBC. They are all very pro Israel


  • #62
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gsxr1 wrote: »
    BBC are not so bad

    After living in the states for a few years you see serious propaganda from the Jewish run large TV networks.. ....

    Spare me.

    Roger Ailes isn't Jewish, btw.


  • #63
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    Nodin wrote: »
    Spare me.

    Roger Ailes isn't Jewish, btw.

    Spare you what. Tell me


    The rich in the US are Jewish

    Dont be naive.

    All the stations broadcasting news in NYC make a clear distinction between horrible Palestine terrorist and the peace keeping innocent citizen of Israel . Attacks on Palestine where not even broadcast . I had to use BBC world service to see this.

    I seen it . every news time . The Fox you see on sky TV is not the same you see over there BTW


  • #64
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-iron-wall

    Iron wall doco, angered my blood. I spat nails seeing the jewish settlers cutting a mans olive trees down..


  • #65
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gsxr1 wrote: »
    Spare you what. Tell me

    ....

    The anti semetic shite.


  • #66
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Nodin wrote: »
    The anti semetic shite.

    Why is is anti semitic to point out that as a people they have generally faired extremely well in the united states?

    I cannot think of another group of people that would take it as an insult.


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  • #67
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RichieC wrote: »
    Why is is anti semitic to point out that as a people they have generally faired extremely well in the united states?

    In combination with "serious propaganda from the Jewish run large TV networks"?


  • #68
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Nodin wrote: »
    In combination with "serious propaganda from the Jewish run large TV networks"?
    Herbert Allen, Jr., CEO of entertainment investment house Allen & Company[30]
    Edgar Bronfman Jr., CEO of Seagram, Viacom[31]
    Barry Diller, CEO of 20th Century Fox and QVC[32]
    Gerald Levin, Time Warner, CEO of HBO[33]
    Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney[34]
    David Geffen, co-founder of Dreamworks, CEO of Geffen Records[35]
    Jeffrey Katzenberg, co-founder of Dreamworks, Disney[36]
    Sumner Redstone, chairman of CBS and Viacom[37]
    Michael Ovitz, president of Disney, founder of CAA[38]
    Isaac Perlmutter, CEO of Marvel Entertainment [39]
    Steven Spielberg, co-founder of Dreamworks[40]
    Leonard Goldenson, president of ABC[51]
    Les Moonves, CBS President[52]
    William S. Paley, Founder And CEO of CBS[53]
    David Sarnoff, founder of NBC, general manager of RCA[54]
    Laurence Tisch, CEO of CBS[55]
    Jeff Zucker, NBC President[56]

    you're saying these people wont have a bias towards the state of israel?


  • #69
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RichieC wrote: »
    you're saying these people wont have a bias towards the state of israel?


    I'd say that presuming a certain attitude - based on religion - towards a political issue is a bad idea.....
    http://www.ejjp.org/
    http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/
    http://www.btselem.org/English/
    http://www.hamoked.org/home.aspx
    etc and so on.


  • #70
    NeedaNewName
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭NeedaNewName


    There is sometimes bias in the media when it comes to things like this.

    Playing with the words murdered/killed/Died after ? has been going on for yonks. You only have to look at the NI sityaaaha'tion to see it in the 80's and 90's


  • #71
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'd say that presuming a certain attitude - based on religion - towards a political issue is a bad idea.....
    http://www.ejjp.org/
    http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/
    http://www.btselem.org/English/
    http://www.hamoked.org/home.aspx
    etc and so on.

    I'm well aware there are non Zionist Jews in america and that they are also dominantly secular and democratic voters.

    I have absolutely nothing against them as people, or any people for that matter, I'm a massive progressive myself, however, the bias towards the state of israel in the US by jewish headed organisations is undeniable, and it's laughable to even try deny it.

    There are jews in Israel who also oppose the settlements and occupation. (usually branded "self haters")


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  • #72
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RichieC wrote: »
    I'm well aware there are non Zionist Jews in america and that they are also dominantly secular and democratic voters.

    I have absolutely nothing against them as people, or any people for that matter, I'm a massive progressive myself, however, the bias towards the state of israel in the US by jewish headed organisations is undeniable, and it's laughable to even try deny it.

    There is a massive bias by many US organisations towards Israel, regardless of whether or not they are headed by Jews. There are a number of Jewish organisations that are rabidly right wing and pro-Israel. What I'm saying is that putting up a list of prominent Jews and presuming they all sing from the same hymn book merely based on the fact that they are Jewish is wrong.


  • #73
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    This misuse of the term "anti-semitic" in reference to Israel is a crock of shyte

    1) Most of the worlds Jews dont live in Israel
    2) Unlike Arabs not all Jews are Semitic.
    Lumen wrote: »
    BBC coverage gets torn to shreds regularly by right wingers for being hugely left-biased, and considered by left wingers to be completel unbiased. :D.

    Some left wingers.

    Look at their constant references to Britain's "nuclear deterrent" during any coverage of the Trident debate. Other countries have Nuclear weapons but only Britain has a Nuclear deterrent


  • #74
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I wouldn't read too much into it - the BBC is pretty fair in its reporting.


  • #75
    smokingman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭smokingman


    What surprises me is the assumption a lot of people have that journalists aren't biased.

    Every media outlet is biased but it's just a case of the reader figuring out what that bias is and filtering it. Try to read the Irish Independent and filtering the bias towards Fianna Fail, try and watch Fox News and filtering the religious right wing stuff, try and use your own brain to make decisions based on as many viewpoints as possible instead of assuming one particular view is the only one you should read.


  • #76
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Some left wingers.

    Look at their constant references to Britain's "nuclear deterrent" during any coverage of the Trident debate. Other countries have Nuclear weapons but only Britain has a Nuclear deterrent

    ...

    North Korea threatens 'new' nuclear deterrent
    UK nuclear weapons plan unveiled
    MPs review UK's nuclear weapons

    (sorry for zombie continuance, missed the last few posts)


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