anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Dan_Solo

Yup, let's just snooze on it. See you guys for a coffee and bacon buttie for the count in the morning!

garhjw

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I'm wondering this one myself. Although, I think his problem was he was dealing with mostly the north and he honestly could have just forgot or gotten mixed up.

this is fundamental...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

Chaotic_Forces

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Yup, let's just snooze on it. See you guys for a coffee and bacon buttie for the count in the morning!

Ah you're right. If worse comes to worse we can divide the lines and murder each other in a few days for the next election!

Chaotic_Forces

garhjw wrote: »

this is fundamental...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

Hmm... I don't mean to sound defensive of him. But I don't think it was a full conference. It looks just like some reporter stopped him and gave him a quick Q&A. Again, I could be wrong. But I honestly don't see what's wrong with just forgetting some things. I'm not being overly defensive of things but let's face it, we always muck things up, it's human nature.

Penfailed

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Hmm... I don't mean to sound defensive of him. But I don't think it was a full conference. It looks just like some reporter stopped him and gave him a quick Q&A. Again, I could be wrong. But I honestly don't see what's wrong with just forgetting some things. I'm not being overly defensive of things but let's face it, we always muck things up, it's human nature.

I'd be the first to give someone the benefit of the doubt...but having watched that...it was embarassing

Chaotic_Forces

Penfailed wrote: »

I'd be the first to give someone the benefit of the doubt...but having watched that...it was embarassing

I know that but I just can think back to a time when I was in school trying out for the oral exam and there was a word in English in it (it was an Irish oral) and I was stuck on it. I honestly couldn't say it, my Irish was perfect but... that one English word just cause me to completely halt. I understand that it was embarrassing but at the same time I can imagine him watching it with his friends and just saying "ah feck it, I'm an eejit". I don't think he did it on purpose (as in he generally didn't want to know). The fact he blatantly said it but without a kind of pause says to me he wasn't prepared to have to answer that and more importantly, he wasn't going to hide from the fact of it.

It's the sort of thing that's a stupid mistake but the media as per usual made it out that he doesn't care about the VAT or something stupid like that.

caseyann

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I know that but I just can think back to a time when I was in school trying out for the oral exam and there was a word in English in it (it was an Irish oral) and I was stuck on it. I honestly couldn't say it, my Irish was perfect but... that one English word just cause me to completely halt. I understand that it was embarrassing but at the same time I can imagine him watching it with his friends and just saying "ah feck it, I'm an eejit". I don't think he did it on purpose (as in he generally didn't want to know). The fact he blatantly said it but without a kind of pause says to me he wasn't prepared to have to answer that and more importantly, he wasn't going to hide from the fact of it.

It's the sort of thing that's a stupid mistake but the media as per usual made it out that he doesn't care about the VAT or something stupid like that.

Its like when you have a big speech to write and you have the prefect word and you just cant spit it out and its right there in on tip of tongue.:D
Everyone does that.No biggie.

SafeSurfer

Having watched Bill Tormey on the Vincent Brown show tonight I would gladly give Gerry Adams a preference ahead of him in any election.

Scary stuff.

Chaotic_Forces

caseyann wrote: »

Its like when you have a big speech to write and you have the prefect word and you just cant spit it out and its right there in on tip of tongue.:D
Everyone does that.No biggie.

Exactly, a complete mess up. But politicions can't make mistakes and not be torn apart. I honestly was expecting something along the lines of "and the VAT rate of Ireland at 60% is just too high" (actually sir, it's not 60%) "Well whatever the hell it is, it's just too high or too low and we won't stand for it but it doesn't matter what the amount is, we're against it". I just thought to myself "you feckin' eejit" when I saw it. It's funny how one mistake can be tarred as not knowing things.

caseyann

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Having watched Bill Tormey on the Vincent Brown show tonight I would gladly give Gerry Adams a preference ahead of him in any election.

Scary stuff.

Are you trying to scare me :eek:

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Exactly, a complete mess up. But politicions can't make mistakes and not be torn apart. I honestly was expecting something along the lines of "and the VAT rate of Ireland at 60% is just too high" (actually sir, it's not 60%) "Well whatever the hell it is, it's just too high or too low and we won't stand for it but it doesn't matter what the amount is, we're against it". I just thought to myself "you feckin' eejit" when I saw it. It's funny how one mistake can be tarred as not knowing things.

Anything to poke at someone and get it out in media just to their advantage.
No low blows from Sinn féin though as i saw.Shows something.

Penfailed

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I know that but I just can think back to a time when I was in school trying out for the oral exam and there was a word in English in it (it was an Irish oral) and I was stuck on it. I honestly couldn't say it, my Irish was perfect but... that one English word just cause me to completely halt. I understand that it was embarrassing but at the same time I can imagine him watching it with his friends and just saying "ah feck it, I'm an eejit". I don't think he did it on purpose (as in he generally didn't want to know). The fact he blatantly said it but without a kind of pause says to me he wasn't prepared to have to answer that and more importantly, he wasn't going to hide from the fact of it.

It's the sort of thing that's a stupid mistake but the media as per usual made it out that he doesn't care about the VAT or something stupid like that.

Nah. You can't defend the indefensible. It's something he should know of the top of his head. At the same time, that's why he's got a finance minister.

caseyann

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. You can't defend the indefensible. It's something he should know of the top of his head. At the same time, that's why he's got a finance minister.

Oh what like BC AND BAH AND BL etc....... not knowing the state of the countries finances or economics and what their banker buddies etc.. were up to? Well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is worse to have a mental block for a second or a mental block by choice for years that cost the country

Chaotic_Forces

caseyann wrote: »

Anything to poke at someone and get it out in media just to their advantage.
No low blows from Sinn féin though as i saw.Shows something.

I think at this point all the parties (apart from the FF) are just tryng to get in and try thier best to fix things.

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. You can't defend the indefensible. It's something he should know of the top of his head. At the same time, that's why he's got a finance minister.

No, it's something he should know when he's in a Q&A he can prefer for. Besdies, I think he just forgot and he didn't want to fumble about and just admitted he forgot it.

Penfailed

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I think he just...admitted he forgot it.

He didn't admit that he forgot it though. He was asked if he knew the VAT rate and he said he didn't. He didn't say, "I've forgotten."

Chaotic_Forces

Penfailed wrote: »

He didn't admit that he forgot it though. He was asked if he knew the VAT rate and he said he didn't. He didn't say, "I've forgotten."

Oh no, I didn't mean he said "i've forgotten". What I meant was *40 seconds of fumbling then finally admitting he forgot it". Whereas he blatantly said "I don't know". Which was impressive in itself.

Penfailed

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Which was impressive in itself.

I wasn't impressed

Chaotic_Forces

Penfailed wrote: »

I wasn't impressed

I'd rather a man that admits fault that one that fumbles and refuses to admit fault.

Penfailed

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I'd rather a man that admits fault that one that fumbles and refuses to admit fault.

That's fair enough. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Not everyone agrees with everyone else though

Chaotic_Forces

Penfailed wrote: »

That's fair enough. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Not everyone agrees with everyone else though

Oh I understand that. I can understand completely why you might think he should have known it and why I shouldn't like the fact he admitted he didn't know. But... so long as those FF feckers are out, we're friends. :P

Penfailed

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

But... so long as those FF feckers are
out, we're friends. :P

Adrian009

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Oh I understand that. I can understand completely why you might think he should have known it and why I shouldn't like the fact he admitted he didn't know. But... so long as those FF feckers are out, we're friends. :P

And so say all of us!

danger man

garhjw wrote: »

this is fundamental...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

thats what he has a party for ,hes been in gov up the north for years and only down a wet day.give them a chance

PatrickD32

Adrian009 wrote: »

And so say all of us!

its people like you make the internet ****!
I agree with nothing said but why are tou here!

Go on say sumtin internetty, that will impress, if yu do your a sap, if you dont.. well it says it all.. PFO (PLEASE****OFF) HEAR T ERE 1ST, USE IT!

Dan_Solo

TLDR Patrick.
So many words, so much time for reading stuff that isn't unintelligible drivel.
I worked out you didn't like something and that was about it.

The Brigadier

wee truck big driver wrote: »

and your still refusing to condemn the actions of the british army

Are you unable to comprehend basic English. I have condemned the actions of all sides.

How much more simple do I need to make it?

fisgon

The most unpopular government in the country's history and SF can only get 10%. Says a lot.

3ndahalfof6

fisgon wrote: »

The most unpopular government in the country's history and SF can only get 10%. Says a lot.

yes says they are the party of the future, will there seat count be up on the last election?

the young people of Ireland have realised it is the party which will solidify our place as an nation once again.

Dan_Solo

fisgon wrote: »

The most unpopular government in the country's history and SF can only get 10%. Says a lot.

And you could say the same about every party except FG.
Way to prove nothing dude.

OMD

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And you could say the same about every party except FG..

Except FG, Labour and independants.

Dan_Solo

OMD wrote: »

Except FG, Labour and independants.

What's this "independants" party? I haven't heard of them before now.

lugha

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And you could say the same about every party except FG.

Well yes. But the popular mantra in the last couple of years is that capitalism is seriously broken. And yet the people have overwhelmingly voted for an even more right wing party!
SF and other left leaning parties will of course make gains. But the present time surely presents the best opportunity for the radical left. If they can't make fairly serious inroads now, you have to assume that this is their peak.
There does not seem to be a great appetite for such left wing politics in Ireland. And as SF other main bow string was their UI project which is now a done deal (and in truth, not really a pressing issue in the south anyway) you have to wonder what can SF offer going forward, that people want, even if they didn't have their historical baggage?

Dan_Solo

lugha wrote: »

Well yes. But the popular mantra in the last couple of years is that capitalism is seriously broken. And yet the people have overwhelmingly voted for an even more right wing party!

I never bought the line about the Irish electorate and their "sophistication". They probably really think they're getting something different now they're voting for a different party.
When FG lead us into default and yet more economic disasters, I expect people to wake up and take a look at the policies. Or at least just vote for somebody else besides FF and FG because they don't know any better!

anneer

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

oh dear lord

this crap again

excluding those politicians who were in SF or an offshoot of SF name one elected representative who had a gun in their hand since CJ was accused of gun running 40 years ago ??????

Gerry on the other hand has been president of SF for the last 28 years (so no fresh blood there ) and both the Irish and British governments have stated that he is/was on the IRA Army Council.



I suspect there is a lot of shilling going on, the % of threads about SF are a lot higher than their vote and a lot of posters with low counts.

If I give you the name of the only other government minister to hold a gun in their hand do I get a prize????? - The walking moustache aka Willie O'Dea lol. But on a more serious matter do you not think that 100s of people dying with no dignity on hospital trollies is criminal??? Or having to pay for the pleasure of doing so under Fine Gael when they win this election.

I seriously believe that most people did not fully listen to the financial policies of SF. The majority of economists around the world believe that we have no option but to seperate our soveriegn debt from the bank debt and default on the bank debt. As someone who lives on a state invalidity pension of 192euros I have learned that in the real world there is always room for negotiating. If I know that I am not going to be able to clear my ESB/Gas/telephone bill before the next one is issued I ring the utility company to "negotiate" a repayment plan. And they would all prefer to recieve an extra fiver a week over a couple of months than not get paid at all.
The 3 main parties all based their campaigns on instilling fear in the public just as they did with the Lisbon Treaty. And yes if your wondering I did vote for Sinn Fein

Hannibal

fisgon wrote: »

The most unpopular government in the country's history and SF can only get 10%. Says a lot.

I think doubling your representation is something to be proud of and maybe could come close to tripling it. FF and FG have a type of legacy vote where a lot of older people seem to sway between voting for either/or and tend not to consider anybody else

lugha

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I never bought the line about the Irish electorate and their "sophistication". They probably really think they're getting something different now they're voting for a different party.
When FG lead us into default and yet more economic disasters, I expect people to wake up and take a look at the policies. Or at least just vote for somebody else besides FF and FG because they don't know any better!

Well my point is that the electorate did have options in terms of left wing politics and largely shunned them. As for FG, they will at least be put to the test. Unlike SF who know full well that they can make any populist proposals they want, safe in the knowledge that there was no chance that they would have to try and make them work.

Dan_Solo

lugha wrote: »

Well my point is that the electorate did have options in terms of left wing politics and largely shunned them. As for FG, they will at least be put to the test. Unlike SF who know full well that they can make any populist proposals they want, safe in the knowledge that there was no chance that they would have to try and make them work.

And as I said already, you could make that ridiculous accusation against every party except FG as everybody knew they were getting in.

lugha

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And as I said already, you could make that ridiculous accusation against every party except FG as everybody knew they were getting in.

Only SF and FF will definitely not be in the next government. And IMO, only SF have no genuine interest in being in government.
All of which has nothing to do with my initial point. Was do SF have to offer?

3ndahalfof6

SF looking good for 16+ seats, onwards and upwards.

Dan_Solo

lugha wrote: »

Only SF and FF will definitely not be in the next government. And IMO, only SF have no genuine interest in being in government.
All of which has nothing to do with my initial point. Was do SF have to offer?

No it has everything to do with your initial point as you claim SF don't want to be in government. As a matter of interest, how come they seem keen enough to be in charge in N.I.?
FF were also never in with a chance of being in government by own admission. Therefore, by your logic, all their policies were never designed to be implemented and they didn't want to get back in?:rolleyes:

lugha

Dan_Solo wrote: »

No it has everything to do with your initial point as you claim SF don't want to be in government.

My initial point was that there is no appetite for far left politics in Ireland. Thus I asked what do SF have to offer? Nothing to do with their willingness or not to serve in government.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

As a matter of interest, how come they seem keen enough to be in charge in N.I.?

They are not in charge. They are effectively part of a national government. They are not likely to lose supporters ( where would they go?) even if they were held solely responsible for some political shortcomings. Quite a different story down here where SF understand, even if their supporters don't, that the next government are going to be very unpopular.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

FF were also never in with a chance of being in government by own admission. Therefore, by your logic, all their policies were never designed to be implemented and they didn't want to get back in?:rolleyes:

No. My logic would say that they could have played the populist card. If you think they did then make the charge against them. This thread is about SF and what they have to offer. Which again, is my question.*

Dan_Solo

lugha wrote: »

No. My logic would say that they could have played the populist card. If you think they did then make the charge against them. This thread is about SF and what they have to offer. Which again, is my question.*

There's that "populist" word again, which in this context means nothing. When parties get in it's "popular", when they don't it's "populist" I guess.
"effectively"? So they aren't in charge at all? Did they refuse to turn up or what? No evidence ever that SF don't really want to honour their mandates.

danger man

proud to have voted for sinn fein

blinding

danger man wrote: »

proud to have voted for sinn fein

Likewise. Delighted to vote for a political party that are not just lickspittles for the bankers.

3ndahalfof6

I just watched some of the VB show on TV3, Gerry was on it and I do think this is a very big time for our island, change is coming and its not waiting to refuel.

SF have now been excepted by the electorate and will grow over the next 12yrs to become the leading party of Ireland.

Scotty #

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

SF have now been excepted by the electorate...

Over 90% of the electorate did not vote for Sinn Fein.

namloc1980

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I just watched some of the VB show on TV3, Gerry was on it and I do think this is a very big time for our island, change is coming and its not waiting to refuel.

SF have now been excepted by the electorate and will grow over the next 12yrs to become the leading party of Ireland.

Unlikely unless they seriously moderate their policies. Their "attack the rich" economic policies will not and do not have broad appeal. They also need to moderate the Republican stuff. We can't afford to take on Northern Ireland anytime in the foreseeable future. They also need to clear out the old IRA guard such as Adams and Ferris.

Real_World?

Terrorists............................

Joey the lips

danger man wrote: »

proud to have voted for sinn fein

me too. Dublin northwest now has a full compliment of socialist TD's. Now the real work can start.

PauloMN

Gypsies wrote: »

Proud NOT to have voted for a bunch of terrorists, each and every one of their members having the blood of innocent poeple on their hands. Rather worrying that a certain number of people in this country can support such a party. Looks like "good" doesn't always prevail..

Meh, protest voters, and the disenfranchised who believe SF will help them... :rolleyes: wouldn't worry about it, as when we get out of this recession, SF's vote will be back to its usual level for the next election. If that's the best the extreme left can do in a deep recession when FF have gifted them a pile of seats, I'm happy with that. Good - or rather common sense - did prevail in the end with 90% of voters when it comes to SF.

Delighted with the results overall, as even FF in tatters will be the majority party in opposition and SF will be treated with the same contempt as usual in Dáil Éireann, and we now have a strong, stable government that won't be held to ransom by the likes of Healy-Rae. I don't agree with some of Labour's policies, but I believe they are reasonable people with the country's interests at heart and FG will be able to negotiate with them.

FF will rebuild dramatically for the next election, hopefully getting rid of the old ways in the process and will be a much stronger force next time, pinning back SF as they do. This will have been a huge wake-up call for FF.

Adrian009

PauloMN wrote: »

Meh, protest voters, and the disenfranchised who believe SF will help them... :rolleyes: wouldn't worry about it, as when we get out of this recession, SF's vote will be back to its usual level for the next election. If that's the best the extreme left can do in a deep recession when FF have gifted them a pile of seats, I'm happy with that. Good - or rather common sense - did prevail in the end with 90% of voters when it comes to SF.

Delighted with the results overall, as even FF in tatters will be the majority party in opposition and SF will be treated with the same contempt as usual in Dáil Éireann, and we now have a strong, stable government that won't be held to ransom by the likes of Healy-Rae. I don't agree with some of Labour's policies, but I believe they are reasonable people with the country's interests at heart and FG will be able to negotiate with them.

FF will rebuild dramatically for the next election, hopefully getting rid of the old ways in the process and will be a much stronger force next time, pinning back SF as they do. This will have been a huge wake-up call for FF.

Don't be too sure about that. SF are here, and to stay if they can help it.