anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

caseyann

danger man wrote: »

god can you not see were europe is heading.give it two years bye bye E.U just like the ussr

It does smell of them doesnt it. Wasn't that Hitlers dream,except he added the murder to it.

Personally i am happy i voted Sf and believe they will bring a nice balance and a force to be heard in the Dáil on behalf of the people.
Independents i am not to sure about will they stay grounded and not get sucked into the mafia Dáil.We will see.

3ndahalfof6

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I think the word you are looking for is accepted.

jasus there are some right snobs round this place.

SEVERA

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate sinn fein on there recent success, i also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build substantially from this on. i hope when we have another general election 12-18 months from now, that they will run enough candidates to achieve an overall majority we especially need a sinn feinn candidate in south Kerry, as it was a mistake.

LordSutch

SEVERA wrote: »

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate sinn fein on there recent success, i also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build substantially from this on. i hope when we have another general election 12-18 months from now, that they will run enough candidates to achieve an overall majority we especially need a sinn feinn candidate in south Kerry, as it was a mistake.

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Fine Gael on there recent 76 seat success, I also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build a solid relationship with Labour in the coming months. I hope that when we have another general election 4-5 years from now, Fine Gael & Labour will once again achieve an overall majority, we especially need extra Fine Gael & Labour candidates in Donegal SW + several other constituencies.

maccored

LordSutch wrote: »

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Fine Gael on there recent 76 seat success, I also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build a solid relationship with Labour in the coming months. I hope that when we have another general election 4-5 years from now, Fine Gael & Labour will once again achieve an overall majority, we especially need extra Fine Gael & Labour candidates in Donegal SW + several other constituencies.

labour will be mad going in the FG. they're going to get the blame for whats to come.

lugha

maccored wrote: »

labour will be mad going in the FG. they're going to get the blame for whats to come.

But this is what responsible political parties do. They are prepared to sacrifice popularity in order to serve their country.
And yes, they will get blamed. As will FG. As would / will SF, if and when they are in power when difficult decisions have to be made.
It is interesting that there seems to be a lot more discussion from SF supporters about what SF could best do to help SF than there is about what they could best do to help the country.

Hannibal

lugha wrote: »

But this is what responsible political parties do. They are prepared to sacrifice popularity in order to serve their country.
And yes, they will get blamed. As will FG. As would / will SF, if and when they are in power when difficult decisions have to be made.
It is interesting that there seems to be a lot more discussion from SF supporters about what SF could best do to help SF than there is about what they could best do to help the country.

The same type of points are being made by elected Labour TD's and Labour's youth wing

lugha

Dotsey wrote: »

The same type of points are being made by elected Labour TD's and Labour's youth wing

Perhaps, but their views won't carry the day. Labour will go into power with FG and will almost certainly pay heavily at the polls for it.
I cannot think of any policy or any position that SF have adopted in this election that would serve the interests of the country BUT which would also threaten their support base. Can you suggest one?

SEVERA

LordSutch wrote: »

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Fine Gael on there recent 76 seat success, I also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build a solid relationship with Labour in the coming months. I hope that when we have another general election 4-5 years from now, Fine Gael & Labour will once again achieve an overall majority, we especially need extra Fine Gael & Labour candidates in Donegal SW + several other constituencies.

With respect sir i believe that this government is already doomed to fail before it begins and that labour have given up any rights it had to be called a left wing part, they are now a centrist party similar in policy's to FF/FG all of whom, have signed the people of ireland into a contract which will prove to be impossible to honour. it will be a mere charade and last 12-18 months. i will be glad to tell you why but i doubt if you would want me to. the fact is with a little foresight and imagination you would see what i can see.ta ar la ag teacht ,tiocfaidh se agus ni beidh se fada anois:)

sharkie66

LordSutch wrote: »

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Fine Gael on there recent 76 seat success, I also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build a solid relationship with Labour in the coming months. I hope that when we have another general election 4-5 years from now, Fine Gael & Labour will once again achieve an overall majority, we especially need extra Fine Gael & Labour candidates in Donegal SW + several other constituencies.

I too would like to congratulate Fine Gael on its success. Power is a double edged sword and time will tell if the new power brokers will come to the same end as the last coalition. Lets all hope that FG/Lab will do positive things for all of us but everything points to the same old same old with the changing of the guard.
Thank God for Sinn Fein and the left leaning opposition which stands to gain the most from FG/Lab's stint in government. Sooner or later the IMF/EU will have to be taken aside and given the kicking it deserves. My question is...does Kenny have the balls to do the right thing for Ireland or will he just simply agree to the masters wishes?

Lets hope that he doesn't! Gerry wouldn't that's for sure!

sharkie66

sharkie66 wrote: »

Lets hope that he doesn't! Gerry wouldn't that's for sure!

How do you know ?
Gerry likes compromise and rightly so.
He's compromised on a united Ireland.He's compromised on a budget in the North that includes severe cuts and he compromised on policing in the North.

You can be pretty sure that when SF gets into government in the south,there'll be compromises just as big as those three.There'll have to be.

This thread has become a great big yawnfest by the way.
The elections over.
The people have spoken.

Irish Fire

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread has become a great big yawnfest by the way.
The elections over.
The people have spoken.

At last somebody said it.........

If the OP should ask to close the thread.......

SEVERA

Irish Fire wrote: »

At last somebody said it.........

If the OP should ask to close the thread.......

yes please close it.
i too am bored as two of the more outspoken anti S/F contributors have failed to engage with any of what Ive posted, namely a black briar and a lord sutch with merely a little sarcasm {the lowest form of humour} from the latter.
for what its worth, i have suggested this government will only last between 12-18 months, the reasons aren't very complicated

SEVERA

Simply put we the

Irish

people can not afford this IMF/EU loan even with a 2% reduction in interest rates now being applied {which wont happen the most we can hope for from our spineless new leader would be a 1% reduction on a portion of the loan}
hence a combined effect of unemployment, mortgage arrears, rising mortgage interest rates,

families

being

separated

by forced

emigration

and a health

service

that is worsening by the day not improving, to name but a few all this will bring about a revolt and afterwards another general election where i will be voting S/F

SEVERA

The Irish people as with people who have experienced trauma through varying circumstances , become tolerant to certain amounts of pain and their confidence stagnates at a low ebb for a period, i believe that we have reached this numb state, but there always comes an awakening, a watershed, when for example the people may finally realise that they truly are the innocent victims and that the are being oppressed and made to pay and endure pain because of someone else's greed.
this is when it can get quiet ugly when the people lash out and a revolution takes place, but this is a natural human reaction and happens throughout the world to varying degrees depending on the pain being endured by the people, ireland will be no different

SEVERA

But ireland will be better for it and we WILL recover when S/F and the united left alliance are returned as our next government, with Pearce doherty at the tiller and Joe Higgins as first mate, we the Irish people will navigate this storm, to calmer waters, where all the children of the nation will be cherished equally. Erin go brach. slan libh.

Dan_Solo

I just hope that the average member of the Irish electorate isn't too proud to admit their mistake when, despite savage cutbacks in public services and taxes to levels that impoverish the majority of workers, we default on our IMF loan anyway because we were lied to about being able to afford it.
I agree, 12-18 months and bye bye Kenny/Gilmore.

Fitzerb

SEVERA wrote: »

But ireland will be better for it and we WILL recover when S/F and the united left alliance are returned as our next government, with Pearce doherty at the tiller and Joe Higgins as first mate, we the Irish people will navigate this storm, to calmer waters, where all the children of the nation will be cherished equally. Erin go brach. slan libh.

Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out

Were you on crack cocaine when you "worked out" that Ireland can repay the IMF/EU bailout?

Fitzerb

SEVERA wrote: »

yes please close it.
i too am bored as two of the more outspoken anti S/F contributors have failed to engage with any of what Ive posted, namely a black briar and a lord sutch with merely a little sarcasm {the lowest form of humour} from the latter.
for what its worth, i have suggested this government will only last between 12-18 months, the reasons aren't very complicated

My View :The Government will last up to the time when general and widespread industrial unrest becomes an issue. The unrest will be a result of increasing inflation and higher interest rates, while at the same time employers not giving pay increases . Labour will eventually be forced to stand up to the Unions and history tells us that they wont upset their pay masters.
However this scenario will see the Irish voter moving back towards the right and so no good news for SF............... We are saved from that TG

Fitzerb

Fitzerb wrote: »

Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Were you on crack cocaine when you "worked out" that Ireland can repay the IMF/EU bailout?

Can you please tell me where in the above post or on this thread I suggested or even slightly hinted that we can repay the IMF/EU bailout.

Did all you Shinners attend the same school of spin the truth

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I just hope that the average member of the Irish electorate isn't too proud to admit their mistake when, despite savage cutbacks in public services and taxes to levels that impoverish the majority of workers, we default on our IMF loan anyway because we were lied to about being able to afford it.
I agree, 12-18 months and bye bye Kenny/Gilmore.

And I just hope that the Shinners can accept the majority choice. I appreciate that doing so will be a new experience for you all

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Labour will eventually be forced to stand up to the Unions and history tells us that they wont upset their pay masters.

Hilarious. Unfortunately for your theory I think you'll find Labour get a pittance from the Irish unions. You sure you've got the right country there mate?:D

SEVERA

Fitzerb wrote: »

Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out

ha nice one but i have not being smoking or drinking.
my advise to you is vote S/F when the opportuntity arrises for you again,
in fact you will be glad to when it comes,
we are in for one rough ride over the next 18 months and there will be many leave this country, but hold strong the reward will be worth it in the end for you and future generations to come.

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Did all you Shinners attend the same school of spin the truth

No idea what you're on about, do you?
Why would "shinners" "spin the truth" when the truth is Ireland can't pay the debt? Shouting from the rooftops required rather than "spin".

Solnskaya

Without wishing to add to the rabble rousing, I believe that the FG Labour coalition will have little choice but to run along the rail laid for them and us by the Outgoing govt. Sadly, this rail does not lead to a happy garden, but rather it leads off a cliff, and I would imagine that within 12-14 months, most of us will be in little doubt that we have reached the edge. And yes, for the first time, I voted SF.

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

And I just hope that the Shinners can accept the majority choice. I appreciate that doing so will be a new experience for you all

Let's see the bank bailout and public service cuts be put to a referendum and we'll see about "majority choice".
Oh, and I guess you're another one too proud to admit you made a mistake about the unions being Labour's "paymasters"?

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Hilarious. Unfortunately for your theory I think you'll find Labour get a pittance from the Irish unions. You sure you've got the right country there mate?:D

Mate.......... A very British saying for a Shinner. :D:D

You are really getting into the spirit of it now for Lizzies visit


A Chara
There are 12 Unions affiliated to the Irish Labour Party, this is not counting general party membership who are also Union members and are in the various branches of the Labour party. The Labour Party without the involvement of the Unions would be very much diluted. The Unions are pay master for the Labour Party in many ways other than cash and have a significant influence at conference and on the National Executive. But out of interest I should inform you that SIPTU gave over €100,000 to the Labour Party last year. That is one of the 12 unions. I do appreciate that this is small fry compared to the funds that SF get from their main backers. The Northern Bank.

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Let's see the bank bailout and public service cuts be put to a referendum and we'll see about "majority choice".
Oh, and I guess you're another one too proud to admit you made a mistake about the unions being Labour's "paymasters"?

Another One ....... why is there more ?



I didn’t mention anything about Bank Bail Out or Public Service Cuts. Please stop making up the fantasies.
You are not correct to say I am proud, how could any Irishman worth his salt be proud to see SF, a shower of murdering scumbags in our dail

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Mate.......... A very British saying for a Shinner. :D:D

That whooshing noise over your head?
"mate" was a hint for which country's Labour party gets significant union funding.
Hardly the first obvious thing you've missed in your life though, yes?

Fitzerb wrote: »

There are 12 Unions affiliated to the Irish Labour Party waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle

Tell us how much the Labour party gets off their union "paymasters" IN EUROS please. None of this "affiliation" hogwash.

SEVERA

Fitzerb wrote: »

My View :The Government will last up to the time when general and widespread industrial unrest becomes an issue. The unrest will be a result of increasing inflation and higher interest rates, while at the same time employers not giving pay increases . Labour will eventually be forced to stand up to the Unions and history tells us that they wont upset their pay masters.
However this scenario will see the Irish voter moving back towards the right and so no good news for SF............... We are saved from that TG

you mean you would vote right wing again they bankrupting the country! the definition of stupidity is one who keeps doing the same thing but expects a different result each time. now i don't mean to insult you but anyone that votes for ff again needs there head checked.
the irony is that when all this blows in 18 months or less ff will escape the brunt of the anger which will be quiet substantial.
the Irish indo today estimates mortgage interest rates to rise by 4% over the next 2 years. i think it is niamh o hollaran in the bus section.
this will be the straw i think to break the camels back.

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

You are not correct to say I am proud, how could any Irishman worth his salt be proud to see SF, a shower of murdering scumbags in our dail

Harney/FF/PDs have killed more with their health cuts than the IRA ever will.
And they did their best to help the yanks murder tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans.
IRA? Small time murdering scumbags compared to the nation's favourites FF...

Fitzerb

SEVERA wrote: »

you mean you would vote right wing again they bankrupting the country! the definition of stupidity is one who keeps doing the same thing but expects a different result each time. now i don't mean to insult you but anyone that votes for ff again needs there head checked.
the irony is that when all this blows in 18 months or less ff will escape the brunt of the anger which will be quiet substantial.
the Irish indo today estimates mortgage interest rates to rise by 4% over the next 2 years. i think it is niamh o hollaran in the bus section.
this will be the straw i think to break the camels back.

the definition of stupidity is one who keeps doing the same thing but expects a different result each time

You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.

I never said I would vote Right Wing or Left wing. How do you people keep trying to spin stories. Are you trained in it ?

lugha

Solnskaya wrote: »

Without wishing to add to the rabble rousing, I believe that the FG Labour coalition will have little choice but to run along the rail laid for them and us by the Outgoing govt. Sadly, this rail does not lead to a happy garden, but rather it leads off a cliff, and I would imagine that within 12-14 months, most of us will be in little doubt that we have reached the edge. And yes, for the first time, I voted SF.

There is no happy garden that any party's plan will take us to.

There's a gag in the Simpson's where Homer is coaching Bart in the art of golf putting. Before his first attempt Homer advises Bart to keep his head still and follow through. Bart misses, and Homer's advice for his next shot is to "move your head about and don't follow through"

It would seem this is the kind of thinking being applied by some of those who look to SF for deliverance. There is no easy out of this mess. SF would burn bridges with the EU and the IMF, will continue to live in denial about our massive budget deficit (bank problems aside) by refusing to countenance cuts and spend all the remaining money we have on a gamble that we can get out of this unaided.

At best, this is a highly risky, and hugely optimistic strategy which will leave us with no friends and no good will if it failed, which it probably would. At worst, it is cynical populism by a party who knew they were not going to be in power.

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.

You know there's a ceasefire? So they stopped doing the same thing expecting different results?
Another of your posts in the bowl and the chain being pulled.

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Harney/FF/PDs have killed more with their health cuts than the IRA ever will.
And they did their best to help the yanks murder tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans.
IRA? Small time murdering scumbags compared to the nation's favourites FF...

Are you trying to compare our health policy to the bombing
campaign of the IRA in the 80's.
Do you reckon landing at Shannon had the impact you say ?
Would the yanks not just have found somewhere else to land.
I am really encouraged by the SF thinking.

Dan_Solo

lugha wrote: »

At best, this is a highly risky, and hugely optimistic strategy which will leave us with no friends and no good will if it failed, which it probably would. At worst, it is cynical populism by a party who knew they were not going to be in power.

So only FG and Labour had any policies they really wanted to implement?
Great theory...

SEVERA

[QUOTE=

Fitzerb

;71027857]Another One ....... why is there more ?



I

didn

’t mention anything about Bank Bail Out or Public Service Cuts. Please stop making up the fantasies.
You are not correct to say I am proud, how could any Irishman worth his salt be proud to see SF, a shower of murdering scumbags in our

dail

[/QUOTE]
if you honestly think this{which is not true} you must also regard ff as a bunch of murdering scumbags,
what about the hundreds of

suicides

over the last two years that can be directly attributed to economic circumstances and ff

policy's

what about the knock on affect of that on

family's

all over
are there going to be any trials to hold the people that were in charge of this country to account for economic treason?
people in glasshouses should never throw stones.

Fitzerb

Fitzerb wrote: »

You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.

I never said I would vote Right Wing or Left wing. How do you people keep trying to spin stories. Are you trained in it ?

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You know there's a ceasefire? So they stopped doing the same thing expecting different results?
Another of your posts in the bowl and the chain being pulled.

Its a cease Fire now ??????

I thought the war was over

bowl / chain......... FLUSH

RandomName2

lugha wrote: »

Alas, no.

Vote socialist!

Vote Sinn Fein!

Vote nationalist!

Vote Sinn Fein!

Vote national-socialist!

(ah you must mean FG...)

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Are you trying to compare our health policy to the bombing
campaign of the IRA in the 80's.
Do you reckon landing at Shannon had the impact you say ?
Would the yanks not just have found somewhere else to land.
I am really encouraged by the SF thinking.

OK, so you want to ignore your claims about Labour's funding by the unions now I see. Let's move on to spare you further embarrassment, shall we?

Why shouldn't I compare one murder with another?
FF health policy kills thousands every year. Cancer care's a joke. A+E's a joke. People die every day on waiting lists. Shoot them or give the money to treat them away to banks, they die all the same, don't they?
I'm sorry I gave that kid the loaded AK47... sure he would have killed that family anyway...

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Its a cease Fire now ??????

I thought the war was over

bowl / chain......... FLUSH

Wow, we have someone who still thinks the IRA is running a bombing campaign!:rolleyes:
Are you even allowed to vote?

lugha

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So only FG and Labour had any policies they really wanted to implement?
Great theory...

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment?

Can I ask what you think we should do, if we were to follow the SF plan, and seek to restore our exchequer funds to boom year levels (presumably they are not planning to re-inflate the property bubble?) in the space of a very short time, and we were to find that the plan somehow failed to work?
What then? Who do we turn to for loads to bridge our deficit? Bearing in mind that Dan O'Brien (and we know you lads like to to cite the economists) says that the senior bondholders have told him that they would never deal with Ireland again if we burn them?

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You know there's a ceasefire? So they stopped doing the same thing expecting different results?
Another of your posts in the bowl and the chain being pulled.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Wow, we have someone who still thinks the IRA is running a bombing campaign!:rolleyes:
Are you even allowed to vote?

Try READING what you wrote.

You know there's a ceasefire

THAT IS WHAT YOU WROTE

Mr Admas has told us the war is over. There is a BIG difference between both statements or do you understand politics at all.

Just to inform you....Again
According to SF it is not a cease fire. The war is over.

I really think you should skip it off to bed You have school in the morning

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

OK, so you want to ignore your claims about Labour's funding by the unions now I see. Let's move on to spare you further embarrassment, shall we?

Why shouldn't I compare one murder with another?
FF health policy kills thousands every year. Cancer care's a joke. A+E's a joke. People die every day on waiting lists. Shoot them or give the money to treat them away to banks, they die all the same, don't they?
I'm sorry I gave that kid the loaded AK47... sure he would have killed that family anyway...

Are you suggesting that 100K is something the Labour Party should ignore ?

SEVERA

Fitzerb wrote: »

You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.

I never said I would vote Right Wing or Left wing. How do you people keep trying to spin stories. Are you trained in it ?

look man i am not trained in anything you just need to wise up that's all, and you did refer to the Irish voter moving to the right in quote 3071 i take from that you are an Irish voter { can you clarify this} and in a roundabout, but not too complicated way you mean you.
please don't patronise me because i am a s/f supporter, can you not see its counterproductive to Ireland's overall goal,which is to get out of the mess.

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Try READING what you wrote.



Mr Admas has told us the war is over. There is a BIG difference between both statements or do you understand politics at all.

Just to inform you.
According to SF it is not a cease fire. The war is over.

I really think you should skip it off to bed You have school in the morning

How this started was:

SEVERA wrote: »

the definition of stupidity is one who keeps doing the same thing but expects a different result each time.

To which you replied:

Fitzerb wrote: »

You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.

By whatever pedantry you want to apply, the IRA are not "doing the same thing" so you're plain wrong using this as a reason to call them stupid.
We can drag your embarrassment out as long as you like pal.

Dan_Solo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Are you suggesting that 100K is something the Labour Party should ignore ?

And are you suggesting that Labour party policy is bought by what amounts to barely one TD's salary?:rolleyes:

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

OK, so you want to ignore your claims about Labour's funding by the unions now I see. Let's move on to spare you further embarrassment, shall we?

Why shouldn't I compare one murder with another?
FF health policy kills thousands every year. Cancer care's a joke. A+E's a joke. People die every day on waiting lists. Shoot them or give the money to treat them away to banks, they die all the same, don't they?
I'm sorry I gave that kid the loaded AK47... sure he would have killed that family anyway...

Should we employ the same daft logic in northern Ireland where SF are in power ?...

Mind you SF never gave children loaded AK47's, No they gave the loaded armailite's

Fitzerb

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And are you suggesting that Labour party policy is bought by what amounts to barely one TD's salary?:rolleyes:

Never even hinted that the Labour party was bought. Follow the thread, I was expressing my views as to how the proposed Government might run into troule.