Winners & Losers in General Election (Co. Clare)

Crann na Beatha · 03-02-2011 11:51pm

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Claregirl · 04-02-2011 8:02pm

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/payments-to-32-county-councillors-top-953k-144149.html

Mulcahy tops the expences list - more of the same:cool:

Kasabian · 04-02-2011 11:05pm

Claregirl wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/payments-to-32-county-councillors-top-953k-144149.html

Mulcahy tops the expences list - more of the same:cool:

He has been hungry to get on the gravy train that is a TD for a while now.

In fairness the collection of candidates in Clare is terrible. Jesus, I am seriously thinking of spoiling my vote it is that bad.

Why have Sinn Fein not put a candidate forward ?

Claregirl · 04-02-2011 11:50pm

I completely agree with you! For the last two years the country has been looking for change and waiting for an election and all the people in Clare are being offered is more of the same.

Seriously this country is f*cked and we don't have a credible voice.

So far there is only one person I'd vote for and he's not even my first preference he just doesn't seem as bad as the rest. That's 1 outta 4 seats so three of my representatives will be people I have no faith or confidence in.

I'd nearly go for election myself at this stage I couldn't do any worse than the rest of em and at least I'd be well paid:D:D

chucken1 · 05-02-2011 12:42am

Kasabian wrote: »

He has been hungry to get on the gravy train that is a TD for a while now.

In fairness the collection of candidates in Clare is terrible. Jesus, I am seriously thinking of spoiling my vote it is that bad.

Why have Sinn Fein not put a candidate forward ?

It seems they are setting up working groups (to prove themselves I guess)? And then be ready to go for the next election.
Its a terrible pity imo..but it makes sense in the long run I suppose?!

Banbh · 05-02-2011 11:55am

How much is the deposit and how much do you need to make a reasonable showing?
I'm prepared to put up some of my remaining savings to either SF or ULA if there are any takers.

ulinbac · 05-02-2011 1:32pm

Didnt Gerry Adams get made a show of during the week at his economic ideologies. As for ULA (socialism), won't work. That said capitalism with free market economies has led to a massive explosion. Were in the RBC school of economics now, hopefully will work but think we need another look at some of Keynesian ideas. People are too greedy for socialism to work.

All the candidates in Clare seem poor at best. None of them have been there or will in the future for altruistic reasons, its all about the cash. Would bet none of them could explain the difference between GDP and GNP. Is there any candidate out there with any professional experience in large scale business or relevant sector? Think a lot of people will be voting for individuals not parties.

Heres a question for everyone though.

Lets say we vote in X and pay them €50k a year. If it was their job to round up the best people in the relevant fields, like Paul Krugman in Economics and for other depts. like health, environment etc.. Would you mind paying these people €1/2mln + a year (as we would have to compete with private sector wages) and making them accountable, in order to get best people and allow them bonuses based on performance?

I wouldn't, seems like value for money and the right people in the right jobs!

Kasabian · 05-02-2011 1:38pm

chucken1 wrote: »

It seems they are setting up working groups (to prove themselves I guess)? And then be ready to go for the next election.
Its a terrible pity imo..but it makes sense in the long run I suppose?!

That maybe so. It is now however that we need a strong voice in Clare.
As Claregirl has said we have been waiting for a chance to vote in a strong voice to represent us. What do we get?

We get a FG candidate who in all his years has done nothing for Shannon, the "town of death" with a very young population crying out for a young dynamic person who will speak up for them and not just toe the party line.
Timmy and Meaney, useless, one a member of the main party responsibe for destroying the country and another a member of a party whose answer is to tax the working man for everything. They are now bringing promises of job creation with Green policies when for the last years all they have been doing is propping up a failure of a government. What have they done other than take money from families.

Voting in an independant is a waste as they will have no say as FG may have a majority or FG/Labour are in government. This being the most likely outcome we might as well send a bag of coal to the Dail it will get as much notice as an independant.

I trully believe that SF have missed an oppurtuinity here in Clare, the young vote is there to be garnered for a decent candidate.

I will be emailing them to ask why plan for later and not now. Even if the person they put forward doesn't get elected at least it may take valuable votes away from the failures and I include FG and Labour in that as it was on their watch that the Government destroyed our country, yes our country not their country. We need to take it back from the gravy train politicians and their banking and development buddies.

Kasabian · 05-02-2011 1:47pm

ulinbac wrote: »

Didnt Gerry Adams get made a show of during the week at his economic ideologies. As for ULA (socialism), won't work. That said capitalism with free market economies has led to a massive explosion. Were in the RBC school of economics now, hopefully will work but think we need another look at some of Keynesian ideas. People are too greedy for socialism to work.

Gerry Adams has very intelligent economical voices around him. Like any good leader he surrounds himself with knowledge.

Lets say we vote in X and pay them €50k a year. If it was their job to round up the best people in the relevant fields, like Paul Krugman in Economics and for other depts. like health, environment etc.. Would you mind paying these people €1/2mln + a year (as we would have to compete with private sector wages) and making them accountable, in order to get best people and allow them bonuses based on performance?

I wouldn't, seems like value for money and the right people in the right jobs!

It's all about accountability and performance, this country has lacked both. Competition with the private sector on salaries can be achieved so long as it is not propped up with highly paid underlings. The fact that PS wages are in areas 30% higher than Private sector there is an oppurtuinity to make saving immediately.

Also the fact that our youngest and brightest are leaving the country says alot and is focussed by the standard of candidate laid before us. Gravy train politicians are still rolling.

Kasabian · 05-02-2011 2:22pm

5h4mr0(k wrote: »

A canvaser for our Labour candidate called to the door last night, and I put it to him that the bank debt had to be written off. He immediately replied that it is Labours policy that it should be written off as it's not sovereign debt, it was debt caused by reckless lending to the bank. This came as a surprise to me, as I was only aware on SF having such a policy.

The candidate himself then arrived, and sang the same hymn and agreed fully that it had to be written off and that it's the Labour policy.

I've checked their web site and can't find anything saying this, but maybe I'm just missing it..... Anyone else heard this policy or spotted anything on their web site?

They lied to you on your doorstep. Labour has only spouted the fact it needs to be renegotiated, that is not a write off. Their attitude is to hang the bank debt on the people of this nation the same as the other main parties except FF who say we are stuck with it.

Kasabian · 05-02-2011 2:39pm

Claregirl wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/payments-to-32-county-councillors-top-953k-144149.html

Mulcahy tops the expences list - more of the same:cool:

Is being Mayor of Clare a reason enough to run up expenses like this?

5h4mr0(k · 05-02-2011 3:16pm

Kasabian wrote: »

Is being Mayor of Clare a reason enough to run up expenses like this?

Considering he did over 40,000km and claimed €43k, it doesn't seem too bad. If those trips were needed, that is.....

I looked through all the councillors expenses last year and there were so crazy ones. For example one had a claim of just over €125 for a 3 in 1 printer/scanner/copier, while another had a claim for over €1000 for a copier. One of them had a claim of about €700 for a laptop while another had a claim for €2000 for a PC. (the same councillor then also claimed for a computer course). I wonder if any of them consulted with the councils IT department to seek their advise and approval first?