National Event

Lemming

fayer wrote: »

Nice IAA bashing going on there, need you be reminded there is a fresh committee in place with plenty of manpower and experience.

If you think that there is IAA bashing going on, might I suggest that you get that crick in your neck fixed as you seem to be unable to do anything but look over your shoulder.

The_ChiefDUB

You know what I'd love to see? A thread where people didn't simply get their ideas shat on as a matter of course. Here we have some people actually making an effort to do some good for the community as a whole and all they get is negativity.
Yes there might be problems with some of the ideas being put forward - but every idea has some problems to begin with - you work through those problems to come up with something that works.
I sincerely hope that the naysayers here are proved wrong and if there is anything I can do to help out with this event I would gladly lend a hand.

se conman

Hey The ChiefDUB , I have organised a South East V Dublin INVASION game in TOB , approx 50 from SE , could do with someone to rally the Dubs in defence.

The_ChiefDUB

I'd be glad to lend any help I can. Sending you a PM with my contact details.

thermo

ok guys keep it civil and as on topic as you can. don't use this thread as a soap box for you to stand on to air your airsoft political veiws. this thread is a worthwhile discussion, so don't turn it into a train wreck.

thermo

Lemming wrote: »

If you think that there is IAA bashing going on, might I suggest that you get that crick in your neck fixed as you seem to be unable to do anything but look over your shoulder.

attack the post, not the poster............ ring any bells?

Airsoft Reloded

So yeah..... Planning an event yeah

se conman

So , are you planning another event or are you hi-jacking mine ?LOL

Airsoft Reloded

se conman wrote: »

So , are you planning another event or are you hi-jacking mine ?LOL

LOL, a bit of both maybe lol.

Seriously though, we'll host your event but after that I think I'll link up with you to do something bigger. What do you think?

Gatling

Dont see why somebody hast run the a Gathering style event on a Grande scale , catering to brappage,milsim,shooting comps , full weeking bbq and beers after days end. i read back on all the suggustions made what we really need is a "COMMUNITY" event with an emphisis on "FUN" and not just catering to just one group or another

Lemming

thermo wrote: »

attack the post, not the poster............ ring any bells?

I had sent a PM before I saw this thread, but I find it curious that you decided to then goad. After you'd posted a warning message on-thread.

Irony, thy name is thermo.


Oh, and incidentally, the only person who tried to air political views (in keeping with your warning) was fayer in trying to sling mud on the matter.

The IAA should have no need to be involved in organising an event other than mentioning it on their website. Until such time as problems exist with outside entities over things like health & safety, legality, or insurance and the IAA perhaps needs consulted, I do not see why people feel the need to demand that the IAA "works their ass off", nor would it be appropriate for the national associationi to get involved in an independent event. So if the above is trying to bash the IAA, I'd hesitate to ask what you all consider "bashing" to actually be ...

So, I will demand a retraction of fayers clumsy attempt to sling mud. I doubt I'll get one, but at least it's all down in print.

Steve

Lemming wrote: »

I had sent a PM before I saw this thread, but I find it curious that you decided to then goad. After you'd posted a warning message on-thread.

Irony, thy name is thermo.

Arguing mod decisions on-thread is not permitted anywhere on boards. It stops now.

Oh, and incidentally, the only person who tried to air political views (in keeping with your warning) was fayer in trying to sling mud on the matter.

The IAA should have no need to be involved in organising an event other than mentioning it on their website. Until such time as problems exist with outside entities over things like health & safety, legality, or insurance and the IAA perhaps needs consulted, I do not see why people feel the need to demand that the IAA "works their ass off", nor would it be appropriate for the national associationi to get involved in an independent event. So if the above is trying to bash the IAA, I'd hesitate to ask what you all consider "bashing" to actually be ...

So, I will demand a retraction of fayers clumsy attempt to sling mud. I doubt I'll get one, but at least it's all down in print.

As does this, if you have a problem with a post, report it. You didn't.
Continue this crusade at your peril.

gerrowadat

Gatling wrote: »

Dont see why somebody hast run the a Gathering style event on a Grande scale , catering to brappage,milsim,shooting comps , full weeking bbq and beers after days end. i read back on all the suggustions made what we really need is a "COMMUNITY" event with an emphisis on "FUN" and not just catering to just one group or another

Exactly -- There hasn't been a 'gathering' style event since, well, the gathering. Anything that's been tried (Such as Ops, or other stuff like that) has had few people.

Danin

Lemming wrote: »

I do not see why people feel the need to demand that the IAA "works their ass off", nor would it be appropriate for the national associationi to get involved in an independent event.

The heading of the particular thread is "national Event" therefore why wouldn't the "national association" want to have an active advisory role in its development from the start. BTW the last time I checked, I didnt see your name voted in as a spokesman for the IAA can we not just wait for the proper PR Biohazard to comment on the IAA's standing regarding the above.

On that note if you lads want it, as stated in other threads similar to this one your welcome to consider Tigerland as a possible venue.

MagicIRL

So is this shaping up to be some massive event over three sites but the same campaign and players? Sounds like a blast. I'll try round up the troops. I'll talk to ya about it on site this Sunday Bren.

Airsoft Reloded

Anytime we all try to join together for something cool there is an argument , whether thats an Irish, airsoft or a boards thing I don't know but its **** for sure.

All four sites put forward are not affiliated to the IAA (or atleast are not on the public list of affiliates so I apolagise if I'm wrong there) so the IAA couldn't get involved anyway. They could help promote it but then they would be advertising non affiliated sites and sure if any IAA member even attends they would be in breach of IAA regs as far as I am aware :pac:

Gatling

easyist way around it is its a community event with the IAA invited to attend like salute to give information and maybe have a Q&A session , cant see why it wouldnt be on the iaa website either .

Airsoft Reloded

Gatling wrote: »

easyist way around it is its a community event with the IAA invited to attend like salute to give information and maybe have a Q&A session , cant see why it wouldnt be on the iaa website either .

I thought no IAA member was to attend a non affiliated site? It would stand to reason that they would not advertise the same.

tonymccann

i entered into this thread and decided to support a national event however i am sad to see that the descusion has once again been draged down i am there for withdrawing my offer to use wexford airsoft club as a venue A LOT OF GROWING UP NEEDS TO BE DONE before we even try to organise such an event maybe in the future we can but dream i do fear for the sport of airsoft in ireland

Airsoft Reloded

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evilrobotshane

Not to worry, Boards airsoft just has a lot of nay-saying, conservatism, think-of-the-children (usually preceded by "I'm not one of those think-of-the-children types but...") and groupthink. You get used to it, just filter it out. There's good stuff here.

There's a bit of a start been made already, thanks to, of course, Sliabh. I'd just like to poll people a little as to what it is you're thinking of in regards to this idea. A big airsoft party with people from all over the country, with socialising as much a part of it as playing the game? A big ol' skirmish so even the least serious airsofters are welcome? A more in-depth and thought-out event like a little Berget or a TA Events BattleSim, with all the rules and restrictions that go with that? Describe what you're imagining so we can see where the interest lies.

I assume my own personal ideal of story-based tactics-heavy milsim with real ammo capacities and complicated medic rules isn't what anybody but me is after.

Airsoft Reloded

evilrobotshane wrote: »

I assume my own personal ideal of story-based tactics-heavy milsim with real ammo capacities and complicated medic rules isn't what anybody but me is after.

Actually dude we will be hosting a large scale event soon enough and your type of game is exactly what we want to do.

dwelby101

The last "kind-of" national event I was at was The Gathering held by G-TAC just outside galway, it was a weekender camp-out with guys and girls from Galway, Dublin, Limerick, Belfast and Cork. Nothing "serious" just some CQB and woodland red V blue type games. It was an awesome weekend and i think goes to show that although boards does have a lot of "nay-sayers" there are a lot of people who scan the threads and are willing to travel to an event like whats being discussed. I for one think its an awesome idea and should definately go ahead. If you build it, they will come!!:D

fayer

Airsoft Reloded wrote: »

I thought no IAA member was to attend a non affiliated site? It would stand to reason that they would not advertise the same.

The IAA has assisted in non affiliated site events in the past, Take AIM being the most noted, and resource hungry where the association committed its committee, former members and standing members for the next committee for several weeks, and an entire very very long weekend. For what... For Airsoft, that is what the association is for, they are there to help out in any mannor someone requests.

The only thing the association has ever asked before promoting a non affiliated event or club (as has been done) is to see the doc's stating all is above board (insurance, first aiders, site permission, county council clearance etc..). I think its reasonable that you know all the boxes are ticked before giving it backing / promotion.

In the past and in my time on the committee the subject of National events was brought up at government and department level in reference to assisting the process of foreign players visiting ireland for the sport. For me, if I was thinking of running an event that kind of assistance would make me very interested.

Airsoft Reloded

Ah so your saying that they would help as long as the "non affiliated sites" atleast meet the standards of the affiliated ones? Fair enough.

Just to be clear though Fayer I was not speaking against the IAA, more just pointing out what I though would be an obstacle to them aiding an event of this nature.

I have nothing but respect for what yourself and Dave done back when mate

Kiss kiss

fayer wrote: »

The IAA has assisted in non affiliated site events in the past, Take AIM being the most noted, and resource hungry where the association committed its committee, former members and standing members for the next committee for several weeks, and an entire very very long weekend. For what... For Airsoft, that is what the association is for, they are there to help out in any mannor someone requests.

The only thing the association has ever asked before promoting a non affiliated event or club (as has been done) is to see the doc's stating all is above board (insurance, first aiders, site permission, county council clearance etc..). I think its reasonable that you know all the boxes are ticked before giving it backing / promotion.

In the past and in my time on the committee the subject of National events was brought up at government and department level in reference to assisting the process of foreign players visiting ireland for the sport. For me, if I was thinking of running an event that kind of assistance would make me very interested.

se conman

There is a very simple solution to all this ,
JUST DO IT
With or without IAA involvement , the same numbers will/won't turn up.
The event will not be effected if there is no IAA presence and will , in contrast , not be effected if there is IAA presence.
It would be good if the IAA did give their backing but they should not have to be begged to do so.
The event I am planning is going to run regardless.

fayer

Airsoft Reloded wrote: »

Ah so your saying that they would help as long as the "non affiliated sites" atleast meet the standards of the affiliated ones? Fair enough.

Just to be clear though Fayer I was not speaking against the IAA, more just pointing out what I though would be an obstacle to them aiding an event of this nature.

I have nothing but respect for what yourself and Dave done back when mate

Kiss kiss

Sorry Brian, wasnt getting at you at all! Huggs

We always considered it not as affiliation standards but basic safety and legal standards. It was always the intention to keep affiliation a completely separate matter, when working to promote an event for all its not the place to try arm twist into signing up a venue. Get in, help out, make friends

Anyway im only talking about the past, were on the second new committee since I left, its over to them. (poor suckers)

fayer

se conman wrote: »

It would be good if the IAA did give their backing but they should not have to be begged to do so.
The event I am planning is going to run regardless.

+1 they should be interested or not. If not is should be for a very good reason, aka dangerous plans, no insurance, sport in disrepute because of event. if they turn it down for some silly reason, hang em for it, we have to hold our elected reps to account.

Best of luck with the event, looking forward to seeing the plans.

Steve

horgan_p

Ah yes , the monthly airsoft drama.


To be honest I dont know what the big ho hah is all about.
It seems to me to be quite simple - let whatever site owner setup whatever weekend event that they feel comfortable that they have to ability to do well.
Whether thats a brapfest , milsim or whatever.
Take the case of TAevents ( the current gods of airsoft) they run 2 types of game - battlesim and more hardcore milsim.
People who dont want hardcore milsim dont go to the hardcore milsim games.simples.
Its the quality and professionalism of the running of the weekend / event / whatever that'll keep people coming back.This will draw the people who want to be there and who are willing to follow the rules , buy the camo / midcaps.

It's not really about pleasing all the people all the time - thats impossible and you'll drive yourself mad.That's a bit harsh but there is logic here. What you will wind up with are players who want to be there and who are willing to follow the rules , buy the camo / midcaps. Better to have 30 people into the scenario than 90 people who are there for the wrong reasons and wreck the thing for the genuine people.
You cant force someone to play a gametype that they dont want to play.

Run a milsim event , make it as harcore as you are comfortable running. Then dial it back a bit , repeat until you are drawing more and more players.

Some people seem to think putting on an event is as follows :

1) put on event
2) ?????
3) profit !!!


It isnt that simple at all. Alternatively put on a brapfest with daily breaks etc (like the gathering) and slipstream in more milsim rules as you go on.Eventually you'll find the level where most people are happy.

Personally I loved the gatherings , not my type of airsoft in the slightest , it was the players that made it.Unfortunatly the golden goose was ridden into the ground and those events stopped being "special" as such. Is it time for a ressurection of a "gathering" ? Probably. It wouldnt be my style of airsoft , but I'd go for the enjoyment factor.People tend to forget , Airsoft should be fun.

People should stop trying to be TA events.
Be the best at what you do , not the best at what someone else does.

Airsoft Reloded

If it’s the case that we're talking about sites doing big events sure all sites already do so I don't see why this thread is here. What I understood it to be is a "national event" and as such involve the whole community and a venture of that sort would be profitable to all, the best possible thing for the community and sport and thus for the gamers themselves.

The revenue generated by such a venture on a continuous basis for sites and retailers is also enormous, well worth a look-see and if that entails a little debate to get it going then sure what’s the harm?

Although I do agree with Keith there that small and large independent games and events should continue also I can see the huge benefits of us collaborating as the possibilities of Irish airsoft rise tremendously due to the amount of backing, manpower and capital we can bring to bear.


Should the IAA get involved? Yes, obviously. Although I thought they could not I was obviously quite incorrect :eek:, can it be done? Yes, the op got the ball rolling by asking the question. Is it going to be done? Yes, emails and phone calls have already been made so its on the way already, so..........


Fair play to BigGunner