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Cost of Petrol

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  • #182
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    djpbarry wrote: »
    That's clearly not what I said. Answer me this - would it be feasible for absolutely everyone in Ireland to drive, in their own personal car (i.e. no passengers except children), any time they needed to get absolutely anywhere?

    Not only is this not sustainable, it would be a system that excludes those who cannot drive because they are too young, too old, too poor or too sick or disabled.


  • #183
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Absolutely - but I'll wager that a lot of people will oppose such a move on the grounds of "double taxation", in that they've already paid VRT on the car, so they shouldn't have to pay "extra" tax on diesel/petrol.

    No "extra" required. Lose the ridiculous and penal road tax and - loosely based on the approximate average 15,000km / 15km per litre - add 3c per litre to give the average person the same tax outlay while penalising those who have gas-guzzlers and drive "too much".


  • #184
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    djpbarry wrote: »
    I would have thought it fairly self-explanatory? If something is sustainable, it can be sustained indefinitely. If everyone decides they’re going to drive everywhere all the time (an extreme example, I'll admit), that’s obviously not sustainable, because everyone will be stuck in perpetual gridlock.
    I’m going to take your continued avoidance of the point as tacit acknowledgment that buying an over-priced house in a poorly-planned community is not a necessity if one wishes to raise a family.

    I abvoided further comment because I felt we can all make off the cuff remarks without realising this implications of them and I did point out the insensitivity of yours. That you persist in looking for a reply makes me realise just how insensitive to peopl'es needs and circumstances, you are, I do understand your position on the minimum wage a lot better now though.


  • #185
    OssianSmyth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭OssianSmyth


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    No "extra" required. Lose the ridiculous and penal road tax and - loosely based on the approximate average 15,000km / 15km per litre - add 3c per litre to give the average person the same tax outlay while penalising those who have gas-guzzlers and drive "too much".
    I think you missed a zero in your sums.

    Motor tax raises about €1bn/year. see: http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/10/04/00320.asp
    There are about 2.5m vehicles of all types licensed in Ireland.
    So each vehicle is charged about €400/year.

    Assuming 15,000km/year avg mileage and 15km/litre fuel economy, we would need a levy of an additional 40c/litre to compensate the exchequer for removing motor tax.

    Raising fuel tax 40c is not acceptable to the public and, even if it were, a huge volume of people would refuel and shop north of the border.


  • #186
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    OssianSmyth wrote: »
    I think you missed a zero in your sums.

    I did indeed : 1,000 litres @ 30c extra would be the 300-or-so car tax, not @ 3c extra :o

    Still, though - even though that sounds a lot, someone driving the average amount of miles in an average car would be no worse off.

    And drive less would then = pay less.


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