Bouncers?

reddevilfan

seanybiker wrote: »

so basically you went out and hopped in on a fight, a few of your mates jumped in aswell. You got the head kicked off ya so decided to try get the lads done? If ye got the better hand though it would have been grand.
why cant people just laugh at their friends getting kicked out of somewhere and be done with it.

what part of trying to break up the fight did you not read....?

UglyBolloxFace

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Did he touch you at all?

Lol. "Show us where he touched you little Timmy"

leggo

Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »

That would be a very weak door man.. You think a scumbag can't sense a little fear in a doorman, or a weak excuse.. If someone doesn't have the confidence to confidently supervise a door they'd be better employed working inside and not coming near the door.

Agree in part. Yes, people can sense if you're afraid or fobbing them off with weak excuses to avoid confrontation and, yes, people will take advantage if you give them an inch on this.

However, considering we can't say "Sorry mate, you're a scumbag" at the door...then a little leeway for waffle is acceptable if it deflects from a troublesome situation. As I said, my own stance is to be unapologetic, firm and don't offer ANY reason or room for negotiation...but also try treat them with courtesy if they deserve it (each case being different and all that).

But I wouldn't consider someone weak or a chicken**** for just waffling a bit. Especially when telling the truth can lose you your job.

RussellTuring

Oh I just remembered something that happened about a year ago. I went up to the entrance of a pub in town with a friend of mine who was celebrating her 21st. When we got there, the bouncer said to us "I'm not being funny or anything, but regulars only". I couldn't believe he actually used this one and even though I was already quite drunk at this stage, asked him how one became a regular with such a rule. He then let us in without further ado.

Can anyone in the industry explain what happened here? I've written it off as someone who just wasn't sharp enough to come up with a response to my reasonable question but is there something I'm missing? If he had a genuine reason for refusing us surely he would have thought of some other excuse to refuse entry but he capitulated as soon as I challenged him.

Melion

RussellTuring wrote: »

Oh I just remembered something that happened about a year ago. I went up to the entrance of a pub in town with a friend of mine who was celebrating her 21st. When we got there, the bouncer said to us "I'm not being funny or anything, but regulars only". I couldn't believe he actually used this one and even though I was already quite drunk at this stage, asked him how one became a regular with such a rule. He then let us in without further ado.

Can anyone in the industry explain what happened here? I've written it off as someone who just wasn't sharp enough to come up with a response to my reasonable question but is there something I'm missing? If he had a genuine reason for refusing us surely he would have thought of some other excuse to refuse entry but he capitulated as soon as I challenged him.

I use that when someone dodgy comes to the door. Not saying you or your friend look dodgy or anything like scumbags.

arybvtcw0eolkf

RussellTuring wrote: »

Can anyone in the industry explain what happened here? I've written it off as someone who just wasn't sharp enough to come up with a response to my reasonable question but is there something I'm missing?

Your probably spot on there.

But a lot of inexperienced lads use it too, after awhile they cop on that its idiocy.

Melion

Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »

Your probably spot on there.

But a lot of inexperienced lads use it too, after awhile they cop on that its idiocy.

I dont think im that inexperienced, obviously not as experienced as yourself but i think its a perfectly valid reason to stop scumbags entering a club.

RussellTuring

I can quite confidently say I look fairly respectable when I go out and am well-spoken at the worst of times, especially when talking to security. I just thought it was an amateurish reason and leaves you open to someone challenging you like I did. I just wondered what it was that stopped us from getting in at first but was forgotten about when I called him out on it. Is it possible he thought we were drunk and let us in when I demonstrated a bit of sense?

Milky Moo

A slight side track because I don't go to clubs anymore...I am 24 I will be 25 in sept I am a girl and I find it desperately hard to get served in off licenses! I don't have a drivers license and I will be damned if I carry my passport around with me!

Many times I have had to walk away empty handed,Am I the only girl that goes through this!?!

leggo

I hate the 'regulars' excuse...for the simple reason that there's the very easy counter argument that you used. I've had it used on me before by some amateur dicks and just say "Come on lads, these guys can obviously afford to turn away good business. Not that we're in a recession or anything."

He's worse for giving in, though. Why would you respect him later if he asked you to stop acting the maggot or ANYTHING for that matter if he can cave that quickly?

Either be good and have the sense/balls to do your job properly, ask to be moved off the door if you can't, or at least stick to your decisions when you make them.

RussellTuring

Exactly. I got a shock when he let us in, actually. I expected him to tell us where to go but, as you said, I didn't really think much of him for caving in so easily to what was really an off-the-cuff remark on my part.

BickNarry

bah1011 wrote: »

If your in a group of over 3 fellas in cork you don't get in most of the time especially if it is a busy night. so most of them just enjoy the reaction they get from saying no.

Where in God's name are you trying to get into? I get told I look like a thug all the time but I've never had hassle as I'm polite. There are a few places you know will be a struggle but lay off the gat before you go in and theres neer a problem.

arybvtcw0eolkf

leggo wrote: »

I hate the 'regulars' excuse...

Wobbles my tits too, I cringe when I hear it.

And the few times I've been stopped with lads I've actually felt pity for the fool throwing that out at me.. I wouldn't make the staffs life any harder, and just take the lads on some place else - there's always someone willing to take your money.

"Sorry lads, regulars only" - red flag to the bull mostly.

Be up front and confident, or to put it another way 'Peace through superior intimidation'

steddyeddy

Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »

Listen, I'm really not getting my back up with you (although it may seem like that), and I'm not qualified to offer you legal advice.

But if someone accused me of causing trouble and dealing drugs I'd be talking to my solicitor and not posting about it online.

If a club has wronged you you should redress that and sue, nothing says "up your bollox" to a pub/club than someone taking a few quid off them.

I didnt think you were I was just stating my position regards posting it, far from wanting legal advice I was looking for advice on the chain of command regards reporting this. I dont want to hurt or attack the club im sure that ignorant man at the door does not represent the owner or manager, both of who are purported to be reasonable people. I simply dont want to see a man accusing people of dealing drugs as a replacement for "not tonight lads" on the door.

steddyeddy

username123 wrote: »

I once went to a well known bar in Dublin with 2 friends (all of us female), I was driving and was able to park practically right outside - in full view of the bouncers.

There were 3 of them on the door. They began to give us a discourteous load of piffle as regards 'regulars only', 'ive never seen you before' (to the regular), 'i do know your face' (to the one who'd never been there) and more rubbish. We were meeting other people there for a birthday otherwise I would have just not bothered going in. After some minutes of a power trip they let us in. There was a small amount of further discourtesy later on when one of the girls went to the loo, the bouncer took her stool to sit on by the dance floor and when she came back he told her it was a 'staff' stool - despite the fact she had been sitting on it all night.

Anyway, I left and drove home later that evening and the next day i typed a very nice complaint letter, phoned the bar, asked for the owners name and contact address and posted it.

I received a detailed reply where the owner referred to the bouncers as goons and thugs, assured me he would review his security arrangements (it was a security company hire - not his direct staff) and included a 50 euro voucher for a meal at any of his establishments.

Complain people - if you are polite and the owner cares about his establishment you will get a response - otherwise vote with the feet and dont frequent places where you do not like the behaviour of the staff.

On a more general note I usually find bouncers to be grand - just people doing a job.

I agree with the complaint bit, I can fully understand there have to be measures taken with scumbags but to be a ass to people who wouldnt bother anyone is ridiculous. I will complain and you were right to aswell.

arybvtcw0eolkf

steddyeddy wrote: »

I dont want to hurt or attack the club im sure that ignorant man at the door does not represent the owner or manager

He does, they're employing him.. Your too soft, sue!.

steddyeddy

Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »

He does, they're employing him.. Your too soft, sue!.

I dont want it too seem im in it for the money I work thats how I get my money, I told the doorman I would be making a complaint. By the way funninly enough I was searching online for the way to deal with this and results came up on boards from five years ago posted by someone who had the exact same experience as me.

Stevo1011

Its a shae not all lads can defend themselves against them,

fair play to those lads

steddyeddy

username123 wrote: »

I once went to a well known bar in Dublin with 2 friends (all of us female), I was driving and was able to park practically right outside - in full view of the bouncers.

There were 3 of them on the door. They began to give us a discourteous load of piffle as regards 'regulars only', 'ive never seen you before' (to the regular), 'i do know your face' (to the one who'd never been there) and more rubbish. We were meeting other people there for a birthday otherwise I would have just not bothered going in. After some minutes of a power trip they let us in. There was a small amount of further discourtesy later on when one of the girls went to the loo, the bouncer took her stool to sit on by the dance floor and when she came back he told her it was a 'staff' stool - despite the fact she had been sitting on it all night.

Anyway, I left and drove home later that evening and the next day i typed a very nice complaint letter, phoned the bar, asked for the owners name and contact address and posted it.

I received a detailed reply where the owner referred to the bouncers as goons and thugs, assured me he would review his security arrangements (it was a security company hire - not his direct staff) and included a 50 euro voucher for a meal at any of his establishments.

Complain people - if you are polite and the owner cares about his establishment you will get a response - otherwise vote with the feet and dont frequent places where you do not like the behaviour of the staff.

On a more general note I usually find bouncers to be grand - just people doing a job.

Is it unusual for them to give the owners contact details? If not ill try tommorrow.

Wolfe Tone

I dont want to hurt or attack the club im sure that ignorant man at the door does not represent the owner or manager

Chances are the security guy isnt directly employed by the cub so you can sue the company they hire security off(pick who is richer, the club or the security company and sue them, they will fight amongst themselves then)

steddyeddy

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Chances are the security guy isnt directly employed by the cub so you can sue the company they hire security off(pick who is richer, the club or the security company and sue them, they will fight amongst themselves then)

If the essence is that the guy gets fired then happy days

username123

steddyeddy wrote: »

Is it unusual for them to give the owners contact details? If not ill try tommorrow.

I dont see why - you are asking for his business details - not his home address.

VNP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzVun0Aek_Q

steddyeddy

username123 wrote: »

I dont see why - you are asking for his business details - not his home address.

Yes got it thanks, ill send him a mail and threaten legal action if the results are not to my liking.

TrollHammaren

Bas Ruten is one crazy mother fúcker.

Rgck

Has anyone any idea on what bouncers rights are and how they can act and treat people ? Any advice would help ?

Rgck

Rgck wrote: »

Has anyone any idea on what bouncers rights are and how they can act and treat people ? Any advice would help ?

Hi Rjck

This thread is 3 years old so I've locked it.

If you want to ask about bouncers' rights, then the legal discussion forum may be the place to ask but you will need to read their charter before posting. Bear in mind that there is nowhere on boards.ie to ask for legal advice and you'll need to talk a solicitor if that's what you're after.