Who is worse: Ariel Sharon or Adolf Hitler?

galwayrush

El Weirdo wrote: »

Pfft.

Edit:M@cc@ got in before me. The Chairman wins - if you're gonna do it, do it right.

Ok, OK,
Slightly different angle then.
Did Mao get them to sigh confession papers like Stalin managed before they were killed?

El Weirdo

galwayrush wrote: »

Ok, OK,
Slightly different angle then.
Did Mao get them to sigh confession papers like Stalin managed before they were killed?

No. But he had a better haircut.

ejmaztec

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Of course we would have a different view if Germany won the war. And what a ****ed up horrible Europe that would be

If the Nazis had won the war, the OP's strange question would be even stranger, because Israel wouldn't exist, and Palestine would have been renamed Palastein:o.

m@cc@

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Of course we would have a different view if Germany won the war. And what a ****ed up horrible Europe that would be

True enough. The Nazis used referenda to seduce power out of the hands of the people's representatives and concentrate it in the hands of a few. Thankfully, this hasn't happened......

jam_mac_jam

m@cc@ wrote: »

True enough. The Nazis used referenda to seduce power out of the hands of the people's representatives and concentrate it in the hands of a few. Thankfully, this hasn't happened......

yeah its exactly the same isnt it. :rolleyes:

galwayrush

El Weirdo wrote: »

No. But he had a better haircut.

Can't compete with that....:D

Oranage2

m@cc@ wrote: »

True enough. The Nazis used referenda to seduce power out of the hands of the people's representatives and concentrate it in the hands of a few. Thankfully, this hasn't happened......

The Nazis probably would have an open border Europe with a single currency and all policies would come from some sort of European commision, oh wait....

m@cc@

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

yeah its exactly the same isnt it.

"No nation in Europe can achieve on its own the highest level of economic freedom which is compatible with all social requirements...The formation of very large economic areas follows a natural law of development....interstate agreements in Europe will control [economic forces generally]...There must be a readiness to subordinate one's own interests in certain cases to those of [the EC]." - Taken from the book 'The European Community' published in 1942, who's principal editor was: Nazi Economics Minister and war criminal Walther Funk.

Comparisons can be made is all I'm saying, if you're talking about a Europe of today under the Nazis.

Hande hoche!

El Weirdo wrote: »

No. But he had a better haircut.

Stalin had the sweet tache though.

jd007

m@cc@ wrote: »

I think the OP could be considered politics.

Touché
Irish politics then :pac:

mike65

445279.ie wrote: »

I use Ariel to wash my clothes, never came across Hitler as a detergent

Hitler washes whiter

namelessguy

mike65 wrote: »

Hitler washes whiter.

Yeah but odd socks keep disappearing.

Badgermonkey

I'd wager Hitler looked more dapper in the uniform, can't fault the Nazis on the clobber.

Dudess

Hitler obviously. OP, this is the kinda sh1t that gleefully gets held up as an example of how criticism of Israel's policy on Palestine = anti-semitism.

blubloblu

445279.ie wrote: »

I use Ariel to wash my clothes, never came across Hitler as a detergent

I think you'll find Hitler is actually quite an aggresive Polish remover.

arybvtcw0eolkf

RichieC wrote: »

The holocaust happened, mate, the only thing distorted about it in History is that it was really only the jews that suffered. forget the commies, handicapped, gypsies and infirmed...

I don't think anyone forgets them, indeed in any holocaust museum I've been in from Israel to the USA those victims are also remembered.

goose2005

biko wrote: »

Just a mode note.
Denying the holocaust is a jailable offence in Germany and some other countries.
If someone is thinking of using AH as a revisionist soapbox I will ban you.

What is this, Nazi Germany?




















Because that would be awesome!

(Joke copyright 2006, 20th Century Fox Television, 2009, American Dad! episode 1AJN17 "Rough Trade", written by David Zuckerman)

When I steals jokes, I steals 'em right. Some of you could learn from me.

TeddyTedson

I believe in the holocaust too, I'm just not sure about the gas chambers.

RichieC

Conner Quiet Sewer wrote: »

I don't think anyone forgets them, indeed in any holocaust museum I've been in from Israel to the USA those victims are also remembered.

Where's their country?

Dudess

Given what we do know, and what is well documented, and considering there are still numerous survivors, it's still loathsome - and attention-seeking - for a person to pretend they're being open-minded by stating we don't know the full facts about the Holocaust, Hitler has been misrepresented etc. It happened - and happened recently. This isn't Ancient Rome we're talking about. So what if we don't have the exact figures or that we didn't know everything about Hitler? I find it baffling people would seek to discredit it - and it very much smacks of an anti-Semitic agenda...

goose2005

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I believe in the holocaust too, I'm just not sure about the gas chambers.

I believe in the Kennedy assassination, but not in guns.

arybvtcw0eolkf

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I believe in the holocaust too, I'm just not sure about the gas chambers.

Apart from carpet bombings can you think of a more efficient way of murdering 11 million people?.

Dudess

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I believe in the holocaust too, I'm just not sure about the gas chambers.

Why would you doubt something of such enormity?

TeddyTedson

Dudess wrote: »

Why would you doubt something of such enormity?

Isn't it true though they never found any gas chambers and that they never found any bodies that had been gassed to death.

Tordelback

Okay, this is AH, and thus not to be taken seriously, but this whole thread... f**k me but there are some dim bulbs in this room. I feel ill just reading some of the posts. Do us all a favour dingbats, never ever vote.



But yeah, Mao FTW. Cause the death of uncountable millions but still get restaurants named after you. That's evil with style.

Dudess

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Isn't it true though they never found any gas chambers and that they never found any bodies that had been gassed to death.

Not to my knowledge.

TeddyTedson

Tordelback wrote: »

Okay, this is AH, and thus not to be taken seriously, but this whole thread... f**k me but there are some dim bulbs in this room. I feel ill just reading some of the posts. Do us all a favour dingbats, never ever vote.

That's it let it out, never good to let things build up. Otherwise you might go all Hitler on us :pac::pac:

Dudess

Tordelback wrote: »

But yeah, Mao FTW. Cause the death of uncountable millions but still get restaurants named after you. That's evil with style.

Oh no Mao is one of those dictators it's ok to like, especially if you're a 19-year-old student. Ditto Castro.

hairy sailor

I'm not condoning the Nazi's but when the ss march through your town with those fancy uniforms on,my god could they turn head's

ArtSmart

Sharon Osbourne

Mahatma coat

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Isn't it true though they never found any gas chambers and that they never found any bodies that had been gassed to death.

theres a very interestin Thread in thew WW2 with transcripts from the engineers who built the incinirators

CorkMan

reprazant wrote: »

I'd say you are an idiot.

Unacceptable.

CorkMan

Conner Quiet Sewer wrote: »

He's in a coma, and I've no doubt an intellectual ability many times that of the OP.

I thought your were in a coma, no?

ejmaztec

hairy sailor wrote: »

I'm not condoning the Nazi's but when the ss march through your town with those fancy uniforms on,my god could they turn head's

Where's your town, and are people too scared to tell the SS that the war's so 1940s?

enfant terrible

RichieC wrote: »

Where's their country?

Are they looking for one?

K-9

Idi Amin is where it is at tbh.

Sisko

again wtf is wrong with the op.

Mahatma coat

well, People do need to be reminded from time to time that the Israelis are not a very pleasant bunch of individuals

heres one of Sharon's War Crimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

davyjose

Ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing.

In some ways hitler was worse because of the raw horror of the way his regime treated humanity.

In other ways the state of Israel is worse, for the sly way it can still be percieved as a proper "democratic" nation, despite its horrific crimes against humanity.

Ultimately, this is because of what Hitler did though. And I think a large part of Israel's actions , and the reason the US/Nato/West turn a blind eye to these, are essentially down to Hitler's actions.

Plus Israel never destroyed half of Europe.

And anyway, Sharon was just a part of the machine -- not the engine, the way Hitler was to the Nazi machine. Hitler was such a monster that even comparing others to him has a hint of letting him off the hook.

Hitler was a lot worse. It's a slam-dunk tbf.

Mahatma coat

well maybe not Israel, as it didnt exist, But Zionisim had a Strong hand to play in the destruction of europe
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm

AlmightyCushion

reprazant wrote: »

I'd say you are an idiot.

Banned for abuse.

davyjose

Mahatma coat wrote: »

well maybe not Israel, as it didnt exist, But Zionisim had a Strong hand to play in the destruction of europe
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm

So you're saying:

The Express said that Germany was "now confronted with an international boycott of its trade, its finances, and its industry....In London, New York, Paris and Warsaw, Jewish businessmen are united to go on an economic crusade."

The article went on, "worldwide preparations are being made to organize protest demonstrations."

On March 27, 1933 the planned protest at Madison Square Garden was attended by 40,000 protestors (New York Daily News headlines: "40,000 Roar Protest Here Against Hitler").

Similar rallies and protest marches were also held in other cities. The intensity of the Jewish campaign against Germany was such that the Hitler government vowed that if the campaign did not stop there would be a one-day boycott in Germany of Jewish-owned stores.

Hitler's March 28, 1933 speech ordering a boycott against Jewish stores and goods was in direct response to the declaration of war on Germany by the worldwide Jewish leadership.

That same spring of 1933 there began a period of private cooperation between the German government and the Zionist movement in Germany and worldwide to increase the flow of German-Jewish immigrants and capital to Palestine.

Growing anti-Semitism in Germany and by the German government in response to the boycott played into the hands of the Zionist leaders. Prior to the escalation of anti-Semitism as a result of the boycott the majority of German Jews had little sympathy for the Zionist cause of promoting the immigration of world Jewry to Palestine. Making the situation in Germany as uncomfortable for the Jews as possible, in cooperation with German National Socialism, was part of the Zionist plan to achieve their goal of populating Palestine with a Jewish majority.

"For all intents and purposes, the National Socialist government was the best thing to happen to Zionism in its history, for it "proved" to many Jews that Europeans were irredeemably anti-Jewish and that Palestine was the only answer: Zionism came to represent the overwhelming mjaority of Jews solely by trickery and cooperation with Adolf Hitler." [1]

...led directly to the destruction of Europe?

Reread that article again when you get off the drugs, buddy.

Mahatma coat

you seem to be missing the point I was making

that was the First Act of War that ultimatley led to the destruction of Europe, The ''innocent'' Jews started it

Father Damo

Definitely Sharon. At least you wouldnt catch Hitler playing jungle music at 6 in the morning.

Lumen

Dudess wrote: »

I find it baffling people would seek to discredit it - and it very much smacks of an anti-Semitic agenda...

Depends what you mean by "discredit". Stating that you have an open mind on such an issue smacks of extreme laziness and lack of education (is this stuff not covered in school any more?), but you're deriving causation from correlation.

Anti-semitic holocaust deniers are idiots, but not all idiots are anti-semitic holocaust deniers.

The Israel/Palestine issue is several orders of magnitude more complex.

Interceptor

Hitler was responsible for the deaths of over twenty million people, Stalin killed even more than that. Saddam Hussein, George Bush, Chairman Mao and dozens of despotic leaders in South America, Africa and Asia have killed countless millions of innocent civilians over the last hundred years.

Ariel Sharon, undeniably not a saint doesn't even belong in this thread.

'cptr

jackiebaron

CorkMan wrote: »

Basically we all know what Hitler is responsible for, but not everyone Sharon. He was the prime minister of Israel up to a couple of years ago, he supported keeping Palestinians behind the lock and key.

He gave the signal to many masscares of Palestinians, showing no remorse. Before he died he was wanted by the United Nations for war crimes.

I say 50/50.

He's not dead.

pickarooney

Conner Quiet Sewer wrote: »

Sharon is still alive, you can't even get that right ffs.

Ah now, he's in a permanent vegetative state, in fairness.

His thread isn't that bad considering.

Conner Quiet Sewer wrote: »

Apart from carpet bombings can you think of a more efficient way of murdering 11 million people?.

Smallpox in a blanket?

Wagon

Hitler was worse... i could have sworn that.

You're only hating Sharon because you associate the Palestinians being opressed by Isreal as being like the Irish and the way we were opressed by England. Bollocks. Two different cases. Whats happening in the Middle East has been going on for thousands of years. Nobody knows who was there first.

Sharon worse than Hitler... i mean for **** sake...

sensibleken

CorkMan wrote: »

He gave the signal to many masscares of Palestinians, showing no remorse. Before he died he was wanted by the United Nations for war crimes.

I say 50/50.

Has anyone pointed out that Ariel Sharon isn't dead?

Edit: Yes, loads of people.