RTE News Report about Increase in Irish emigrating to Australia 2011

mandrake04

Father Damo wrote: »

I realise you have little to no Irish mates because of the fact you have the same opinion of Irish in Oz as you do on the net. It doesnt give you an excuse to pretend what you are on about.

You know nothing about me, but I know about you Shane. I think you would be surprised who I know.

Father Damo wrote: »

By....who? Exactly? Im leagally in this country until mid April, but cheers anyway.

Ah yeah wouldnt be the old Martial Arts visa would it? sure you can only work 20 hours a week on that, not the 70 hours you claim to work on the other thread.

Father Damo wrote: »

No. You have just told any illegal Irish on this forum they are not entitled to free healthcare. Which is absoloute bollocks- generally the only charges they get is ambo fees. Like most of the bollocks you post here, incorrect. You are truly the Sunday Indo of this forum.

They are entitled to it, but if their visa is ended they should expect a bill (or their Parents should expect a bill)

Father Damo wrote: »

On what? What incorrect statement have I made? Tell me and BTW also link me to the "lies" Ive posted that you accused me of on a previous thread- Im still waiting for that link. Again, the fact you have probably alienated any Irish mates you had here is no excuse to take it out on randomers on the net. Grow up, provide some actual facts or STFU.

Again, I want to see a link to my "lies", otherwise quit talking sh1te.

Try this one

hussey wrote: »

Mod
Father Damo - please enough of your imagined stats about Irish people over here, you if cannot back it up don't state it, that goes for all threads, if I read another 'sure half Irish are illegal' statement I will ban you - it simply is not true, and frankly an insult to the legal Irish

Father Damo

mandrake04 wrote: »

Ah yeah wouldnt be the old Martial Arts visa would it? sure you can only work 20 hours a week on that, not the 70 hours you claim to work on the other thread.

Im on a student visa?

News to me!

mandrake04 wrote: »

You know nothing about me, but I know about you Shane. I think you would be surprised who I know.

Sh1t. Ive a Henry Hill in my crew of drug dealers (cos apart from glassing people in bars, drug dealing is my main business here), rattin on my...eh...still legal status apparently. What cocksucker should I whack....?


Again- this is at least my 3rd request for you link where I have told lies on this forum, as all other requests have been ignored. Can you please either link me to the lies or post a retraction admitting it was total bollix?

Cheers.

Zambia

You posted that the Police do not check VISA status on Irish people.

I cant speak for the other states but here thats a lie. If your VISA status is in doubt a call will be placed to DIAC who will take the person off our hands. Damo Hussey asked you to drop this line about the amount of Irish living illegally in Australia unless you can back it up. You have not backed it upo and you have stayed down the course. I accept you know a lot of illegals, please inform them at some stage they will have to step on the right side of the law.

Zambia


MOD Damo Banned as per Husseys warning

markymark21

Couple of keyboard warriors in this thread

Who cares anyway If Damo wants to go illegal by April, wouldn't be the 1st time and won't be the last.. But I reckon the cons far out weight the pros as very few people make something of themselves while being an illegal immigrant... It is the tough option, no doubt.

mandrake04

markymark21 wrote: »

Couple of keyboard warriors in this thread

Who cares anyway If Damo wants to go illegal by April, wouldn't be the 1st time and won't be the last.. But I reckon the cons far out weight the pros as very few people make something of themselves while being an illegal immigrant... It is the tough option, no doubt.

I wouldnt care who wants to go illegal, that their choice.

But its Damo's attitude that lets him down.

hussey

Father Damo wrote: »

....

again 0% facts or figure just teh word 'Bollox'

"hospitals aint free,
Bollocks."
"As a resident of the Republic of Ireland or New Zealand you are entitled to free treatment as a public in-patient or outpatient at a public hospital and access to subsidised medicines under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme during your visit to Australia. "
that is not the same as free hospital

The Australian economy would be in detriment without Irish illegals

'5% of Sydneysiders are on the scratch.

If there wasnt x amount of Irish lads getting up at half 5 to go to sites....who would be there?

See that doesn't prove anything 'x' amount is not a number or figure, and certainly you have not proved 'Australian economy'

Next time you make a statement have a think before you post it.

Also I noticed you posted links from AH, after some of your postings in the soccer forum I don't think this is a wise move.

Have a break and cya after a mini holiday

markymark21

hussey wrote: »

again 0% facts or figure just teh word 'Bollox'

"hospitals aint free,
Bollocks."
"As a resident of the Republic of Ireland or New Zealand you are entitled to free treatment as a public in-patient or outpatient at a public hospital and access to subsidised medicines under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme during your visit to Australia. "
that is not the same as free hospital

Can you explain the difference between free treatment and getting free health care? Will you only get 'free treatment' if its an emergency or your treatment costs under a certain amount? How does it work?

mandrake04

hussey wrote: »

mandrake This was a thinly veiled insult/questioning about his visa status - make it your last.

Fair enough but he did post himself over a year ago he was on his 2nd WHV sure that would be up now would it not?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64096492&postcount=198

hussey

markymark21 wrote: »

Can you explain the difference between free treatment and getting free health care? Will you only get 'free treatment' if its an emergency or your treatment costs under a certain amount? How does it work?

pretty much that's it, if you fall and break your leg it is free treatment etc
If you need to go to a hospital for minor tests (e.g. a urine/blood test) it is not free, or need to see a specialist doctor etc - not free

Irish people do not get free health care - there are a few threads about it around if you want to use the search function

The Sweeper

Re hospitals and the reciprocal healthcare agreement:

The reciprocal agreement is just that - between Ireland and Australia, each country makes sure that if a citizen of the other country requires admission to hospital via emergency injury or illness, each country sucks it up to ensure their own people get the same benefits while travelling.

Is a GP free in A&E? Yes, a doctor's consult won't cost you in an A&E department under the reciprocal agreement. However, outpatient testing WILL cost you. Blood tests will cost you. X-rays will cost you. If you're not admitted to the hospital, you're liable for the costs the same way Australian nationals are liable for their costs.

Don't make the mistake of assuming healthcare here is free - and be very careful, because it all depends on the medical staff on the night. If you present at the ED with your Irish passport and no medicare card, the staff on the night are supposed to take a photocopy of both your passport and your current visa.

If they don't they don't. If they do, they may pass that photocopy to the billing department. The billing department (and again it all depends on the staff) may submit your bills and paperwork for reimbursement. If that submission is rejected because the Department say 'oops, visa invalid', a couple of things can happen:

1) They'll contact the hospital to get the address you provided on admission.
2) The hospital will send you a bill for your treatment because you're not covered under the reciprocal agreement because you're not legal.

Either way, you're now frolicking about the place as a recognised illegal with a large unpaid medical bill.

So, sez you. I won't show them me passport. They probably won't refuse you treatment, but they'll simply bill you directly.

This info is just for anyone who's unsure of how the reciprocal agreement works. It doesn't cover elective procedures, so we won't take your tonsils out for free. But if you gash your arm or break your leg, you're entitled to treatment in an emergency department under the reciprocal agreement between Ireland and Australia. Just beware of potential extra costs under pathology and imaging. If you require hospitalisation, you can be hospitalised as a public patient in a shared ward in a public hospital, (and as an in-patient, your pathology and radiology bills are covered, so if you ever break your leg and you're in the ED and they want to admit you - go with it!)

And if you're the sort of tosser who overstays a visa, works illegally and then presents at a hospital for free medical treament you're not entitled to, gives a false address and heads on your way, sure you won't give a fuck about anything I write here so I'll just wait for karma to bite you on the arse, as it surely will.

jank

Father Damo wrote: »

{hospitals aint free, }

Bollocks.


.

LOL, think Damo has been on the beer too much this weekend. Or else he is tuning into Walter Mitty again.

jank

Father Damo wrote: »

Im going to asume you have met 3 Irish people in total so.

Im going to assume you are full of $hit which is a pretty safe assumption if you ask me:D

Carry on..

Slunk

Sweeper. You mentioned presenting passport and medicare card. Where does one get a medicare card? Or will passport be enough once your visa is valid?

hussey

If you present at the ED with your Irish passport and no medicare card

Slunk wrote: »

Sweeper. You mentioned presenting passport and medicare card. Where does one get a medicare card? Or will passport be enough once your visa is valid?

I think you read this wrong

Slunk

So your passport will be enough once the visa is valid yeah?

The Sweeper

Yep. You're covered under the reciprocal agreement when you're Irish and you're on a valid visa. Check the Ts & Cs above though - and remember, this DOES NOT extend to ambulance cover.

markymark21

The Sweeper wrote: »

Re hospitals and the reciprocal health care agreement:

The reciprocal agreement is just that - between Ireland and Australia, each country makes sure that if a citizen of the other country requires admission to hospital via emergency injury or illness, each country sucks it up to ensure their own people get the same benefits while traveling.

Is a GP free in A&E? Yes, a doctor's consult won't cost you in an A&E department under the reciprocal agreement. However, outpatient testing WILL cost you. Blood tests will cost you. X-rays will cost you. If you're not admitted to the hospital, you're liable for the costs the same way Australian nationals are liable for their costs.


If they don't they don't. If they do, they may pass that photocopy to the billing department. The billing department (and again it all depends on the staff) may submit your bills and paperwork for reimbursement. If that submission is rejected because the Department say 'oops, visa invalid', a couple of things can happen:


This info is just for anyone who's unsure of how the reciprocal agreement works. It doesn't cover elective procedures, so we won't take your tonsils out for free. But if you gash your arm or break your leg, you're entitled to treatment in an emergency department under the reciprocal agreement between Ireland and Australia. Just beware of potential extra costs under pathology and imaging. If you require hospitalisation, you can be hospitalised as a public patient in a shared ward in a public hospital, (and as an in-patient, your pathology and radiology bills are covered, so if you ever break your leg and you're in the ED and they want to admit you - go with it!)

And if you're the sort of tosser who overstays a visa, works illegally and then presents at a hospital for free medical treament you're not entitled to, gives a false address and heads on your way, sure you won't give a fuck about anything I write here so I'll just wait for karma to bite you on the arse, as it surely will.

Thanks for the info.. In fairness though travel insurance (which covers most medical expenses) in cheap so anyone who is going on a WHV shouldn't have a problemsw ith medical expenses if they do occur

However I was told by multitrip.ie that they won't cover any medical expenses if they are self-inflicted injuries - example being you are drunk, fall over and break your leg.. Will the aussies treat you for free if your injury is a result of your own negligence?

sonic.trip

markymark21 wrote: »

I find it strange that people keep going on about our 'best and brightest emmirgrating due to the economy'. Its not really emmirgration as the majority of these people are on holiday visas and will be back in a year or two

I came on a WHV with no intention of holidaying, I wanted to get the fcuk out of Ireland. 18months looking for a graduate engineering job at home and got one here in 8days. Company even chatted to me about sponsorhip in the interview, do you think I will be going home in the next year?

markymark21

sonic.trip wrote: »

I came on a WHV with no intention of holidaying, I wanted to get the fcuk out of Ireland. 18months looking for a graduate engineering job at home and got one here in 8days. Company even chatted to me about sponsorhip in the interview, do you think I will be going home in the next year?

Ha no, I don't think you will be. Fair play though.. I'm heading over to Melbourne after the summer on a WHV but looking to get sponsored.

Anyway back to my original post. Again this whole lark of all 'best and brighest' moving to Oz I still is nonsense. I know you got sponsored after going over on a WHV but the majority aren't so lucky. I think someone on this site said the sponsorship rate for people on WHV is something like 5-10%.. not exactly a clear majority

Either way I think looking back emmirgation was always going to happen for people my age. Every year for the past couple of years the amount of people going to college and graduating was rising and rising. Since Ireland has such tiny work force (1.5 million or there abouts) where exactly are all these graduates going to work? Also, Now a days is quite easy to get a degree as apposed to 10-15 years ago where it wasn't so easy. Quite simply I think we have so many graduates and we just dont have enough jobs for them all.


Anyway travelling is one of the best things anyone can do and it doesn't matter if there is a boom or bust everyone should do it at some stage in my opinion

Poker Engineer

sonic.trip wrote: »

I came on a WHV with no intention of holidaying, I wanted to get the fcuk out of Ireland. 18months looking for a graduate engineering job at home and got one here in 8days. Company even chatted to me about sponsorhip in the interview, do you think I will be going home in the next year?

Hey Sonic what type of engineering did you qualify in, im heading over to melbourne next week looking for a graduate engineering job myself. Did you go through an agency or apply to online offers?